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Ok so please read,I know How I talk about about fetishes, and they aren't always in the best of light, but despite anything I say, or any negative attitude I have on them, a lot of that is just my opinion, I'm not demanding people to stop doing what they like, even if I don't agree with it, the only time I actually try to stop someone from posting art is when it breaks the DA policy,
so honestly, people need to know that you can't stop a person from drawing what they want, it's there right, sure as i said their are a lot of things I don't like on this site, many fetishes i go as far as to despise, but all I ever do is say how I feel on them, not looking for people who draw something I hate and start saying they are wasting their talent, sure i do find people who draw nothing but their fetish to be..well annoying most of the time. ( specially depending on what it is), but its their right to draw it, specially if it's not breaking the rules.
Now I'm also not saying I accept every fetish as a good thing, I can and will rant about fetish I hate, and why i think some are wrong, I may still say things about them not everyone will agree with, but those are my opinions, and just like how some people are allowed to have their fetishes, I'm allowed to have my opinions, and really after all, some of my best friends on this site have and draw fetishes, so it's not like I view all as bad, people just need to learn that's how things are,
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I hate to admit it but I have a fetish too.
And question, just asking, what fetishes do you hate? And don't worry there are fetishes I hate or am not crazy about but don't mind (like foot fetish.)
Depending on your answer I might tell mine.
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oh, sorry, have not been on in a while, honestly there's a lot of fetishes I don't like but I also don't mind quite a bit as well, ( As you mentioend feet doesn't really bother me either or even ) it's more along stuff that seems to glorify abusive or bad behavior in a way. like torture, crushing, death, or gross stuff like..Feces or Urine and farting,
( when it comes to stuff like Vore or inflation art I can actually tolerate it if it's done so in a more cartoony or humorous fashion.
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My fetish is urination, BUT, only the way it's shown in kid cartoons and censored. Males only, cartoon characters preferred, inside an actual bathroom at toilet or urinal, no public urination, no indecent exposure, absolutely no porn, preferably no bare-bottoms showing or pants down, hidden urine, person shown from behind or above the waste, no farting in the process (I too hate farts,) no swearing/cussing, no sexual talk/ talking about each other's parts, also no showing of one committing voyeurism! I do artwork like that but I don't post it here (did once and it caused controversy, so I removed it.)
But as I said, I hate fart fetishes, I also hate feces and pictures/videos of defecation, cannot stand that, period! While spit and drool is somewhat tolerable though I prefer not to see it, what I also don't tolerate is showing of snot/mucus, vomit, blood, guts/inside of one's body, which is shown in some cartoons like Fairly Oddparents, and especially semin/sperm/ejaculation ! I don't like seeing anything come out of anyone's body, not even cartoon characters!
I also like to change the color of hair (e.g. changing brown or red hair to blond hair, although I don't see how that's a fetish! Some came after me for that!)
Pregnancy is also okay but only if female, I hate M-preg, especially the male getting pregnant instead of the female (that almost killed Fairly Oddparents for me and that's one reason why I drew and posted my own pictures of Wanda pregnant. They're in my gallery.)
I'm not so crazy about vore but I respect your opinion. Also I hope I didn't scare you or repulse you, I apologize if I did.
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ah I see, well that's pretty interesting, and oh no worries you didn't disturb me at at all, ( sorry for the late reply, was busy and ot active for a few days..
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I myself have a foot fetish. Preferably the 4-toed kinds.
I post fetish stuff on FA, however.
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I 100% Agree With This, Since I Have A Vore Fetish
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And people are allowed to post their Fetishes on here as long as they're not illegal.
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Honestly, I have several so-called fetishes, but its never my job to show them off... Never in a sexual manner, I swear.
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I'm fine with people having fetishes, I just don't understand why they have to share them with the rest of the world.
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yeah I agree, ,fetishes in a sense should technically be more private, ( and not posted on a public site like dA ), but to me that really depends on how extreme it is,
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True, everyone has one (I've got several myself) but I say don't just paste them all over your gallery and/or put mature content on it.
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Some people like fetishes for non-sexual reasons, good examples would be like if it's cute or funny
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But some don't know how to keep it to themselves. Some forget the minimal age of eye balls here are 13.
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Well as long as it's censored, DA Won't care, but I admit, some people need to be a bit more considerate, it is a public site, so people who don't agree with them will be their/
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The Great thing about opinion's .. ( in my opinion 
" I Think... Therefore I Am "
... and I like your way of Thinking. 
... but there's a saying older then any of us here.. " Beauty is in the eye of the Beholder " .. and when it comes to it , that's often what art is all about.
However , I think there IS a measure of a dividing line in ANY form of art... be it fetish-ish .. ( though I don't think that's a word 
In terms of what's Real Life and what's Fiction. In regard of Fictional fetish art,,, well I have a long winded opinion there , that I'll space anyone , unless they really want to ask me. ( This is your journal after all )
But I've seen a number of reported art that goes well into Real Life ( in terms of photo's ) , that I'd call questionable in the most polite way I can call it , and in all honesty , should be removed.
........... and yes.... I've posted adult art that broke the DA rules " By The Book " .... but again , that's another story that diverts from the topic here.
It's important to hold on to your belief's , to thine own self be true... but sometimes we need to remind ourselves that we all , poor idiot's called Humans that we are , can afford to question ourselves a bit to learn better of ourselves and perhaps of others. ( I learned I made a mistake in giving permission to make a fool of myself here in DA , not so long ago. ) So I think what you've done in this journal , is shown the measure of the Willow rod... you can bend without breaking.
I haven't known you long or much , ( um , ... is Shadow okay for a nickname ?.. ) , but I really like what you've expressed here , because it supports the ideal's of Individuality... and that's something I very much believe in.
But also , in terms of people collectively , I think it shows that two avatar's from opposite sides of the DA tracks , can do more then rant....... they can listen too. 
.......... And I'm looking forward to listening to your rants in future.
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well I admit, not everything bothers me when it comes to fetish art, but honestly I have seen plenty of your art That you posted before it was taken down, and it goes on that line of what I find questionable, Fiction doesn't matter to me, I have a stamp that talks about it, were it says to me, nothing bothers me until the context behind something is revealed, that is, why one decides to create such fictional work in the first the place.
A book can have tons of death, gore, rape, and it won't bother me if the intentions of that aren't meant to be pleasurable or appealing to the reader, so it's the same way I view art. or other fictional content,
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Very interesting... so your saying in terms of my artwork ... ( my fetish art , unless your also referring to my Non- sex art , of which there is a fair amount ) that you don't care so much of the art itself , but rather " Myself " , in why I drew it... and whether I meant it to be appealing.
.... The thing is , we touch on 2 questions here , because of whether making death , gore , rape to be pleasurable ' in fiction ' , is a bad thing. Of course , if you regard that to be true regardless of real life ideals or of creating fiction , then we may have a difference of opinion in that second point.
But returning to your first question...
I drew this fetish art solely in the manner of being an artist / showman that has the same passion for creating " Fiction " to be exciting in a sexual type of drama and adventure. Exactly in as much as the freedom to enjoy any silly Slasher film , or play any violent Video game , or read any Marvel's Deadpool comic book. I don't believe in celebrating Real Life Assault of any kind , be it sex based or otherwise , but I understand the difference between seeing the world of fact , from the world of fiction , and that the two don't have to be intertwined in context. ( at least that is My opinion , as I can only speak for myself )
If it gives you any insight.. I have been around this world a good long time.. ( not stone age exactly , but old enough
I've worked in film.. I've preformed on stage , and written verse of poetry , among other such. And from a very early age , by being a part of the artistic show biz world , learned to understand the very distinct line between the real world , and the fictional one.
So as to why " I " drew the fiendishly dramatic cliffhanger of sex adventure art... I drew it in the same regard of why Someone thought a series of " SAW " movies , was entertaining.. Why having Drake in the Uncharted video games , using shotguns , rocket launchers , or beating some guy with his fists , makes for ' fun ' gameplay , was a major part of the gamer designers coding... And why Agatha Cristy thought that the Murder most fowl , would make countless people fall in love in caring more about the " Who done it " , as to the loss of life itself...
" To ... Me ... "
My silly pencil scratches on paper of cartoon characters , that have nothing to do with my real life , or reality period... are simply the show off - show biz form of a sexual roller coaster ride to make for some dum drama in a fictional fetish adventure.
At least that's all that it is to me... and if you should care , past my art , why I created created it in the first place... well.... I can only watch so many fictional Happy Ending Disney films , before I'm tired of the Sugar overload , and feel like raising some H E double Hockey sticks.
And as to the second question of Intentions that " Aren't meant " to make death , gore , rape , ( and I'm assuming pointless violence has it's place in that line up ) appealing to readers...
I guess that depends , again , on whether you believe that separation of real life intention , ( if someone actually likes violence , ) ... or that artist / showbiz intention of imagination ( only liking violence in a fictional regard )
, has to be intertwined , or can be 2 separate thoughts of belief.
In my opinion... I think they can. I feel that making all bloody heck , pleasurably entertaining in a completely fictional regard , is okay.
In real life terms... I feel Extremely the opposite!... Because I've been on the receiving end of that kind of real life.
........... So...... I hope I've provided you your insight of viewing me , along with my art. ( and by the way.... have you , in seeing plenty of my art , seen any of my Non - fetish art ? )
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I know you been drawing for a long time, I know you know the difference between fantasy and reality,. but saying you draw your art for the same reason a artist draws their art for the pleasure of fiction doesn't seem to compare, I'm a huge fan of Stephen King, I love his books, but just because I read them doesn't mean i glorify any fictional drama that is created.
you say what you do isn't much difference between what you do( or anyone for that matter with that kind of fetish ) then something like a violent video game.
Okay I'm not one of those people who says violence in fictional media causes people to act that way, but it think it really goes by how one is supposed to perceive it. if I watch the Saw movies, I can admire them for their clever and creative ways of picking off characters, but that doesn't mean I want the characters to die, or I enjoy seeing them die, the movies that are horrific usually tend to make it so that the audience wants to see the characters survive, or it looses it's horror element, and if we aren't supposed to feel that, then we should at least come to understanding why that is in the first place.
I believe their is a difference between finding something simply entertaining, as that comes in many forms,, Then having a sexual fantasy over something,.
Take it like this, I know many people on here, one guy in particular who draws child pornography. which i will not lie, is disgusting, he's been suspended many times, ( though he should of been banned by now ) he's also drawn other arts as well, but child porn is obviously what he really likes, getting some sexual pleasure from it. sure it's fictional, but doesn't mean it's not wrong he's doing it for his own sexual pleasure and fantasy . well for that, It's the same way I view art like rape death and abuse, i don't care it the terms are used to further a story, or portray a message, it's when a person comes attracted to the thought that makes it questionable to me,
I enjoy writing and i write a lot things that can be considered disturbing, but I do my best to let it be known that what i do is purely for entertainment. as in scaring people
here's and example ,one of my favorite books has a few chapters in it that depicts young kid's having Sex in a sewer, the books however doesn't make the sex the main focus of the scene, but the bonding of the characters as they partake in it. the scene was meat to be a way the kids were coping with a sudden danger they were soon facing and needed a distraction from it, the scene wasn't in anyway meant to be sexy or appealing to the audience, only the fact that the kids were doing anything they can to face what lies ahead, it was about the characters
connecting, That book happened to also be by Stephen king, it has caused controversy as to why one would do that, but it was soon explained as to why that scene existed, it wasn't because Stephen king was a pedo wanting to entertain the audience with Sex, it was because he is a writer wanting to entertain the audience with a different type of style. He admits, times had changed sense he wrote that book, But he and as most people should, should understand the context as to why that scene existed.
Art and literature can expand on many things, specially when fictional, but a lot of what one does, comes from the mind and can reflect ones self. Fiction is a great thing that can provide many entertaining things with know boundaries. but their are times when even that can be still be abused..it all depends on how one decides to use it.
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" but saying you draw your art for the same reason a artist draws their art for the pleasure of fiction doesn't seem to compare "
Well first...my goof in that I may have sounded presuming of what others are motivated by , in why they create fictional violence. It's possible that any of them share my own personal view of why ( or not for whatever reasons are theirs ).. but I used that example wrong if it came across that I was speaking on their behalf. My comparison of Saw , and other stuff , was to point out that there is questionable violence in fiction in many examples beyond what I draw , including popular films , books , etc. What reasons may vary , but ' presenting ' such material is not something exclusive to under ground artist's , or rebel's of society.
" but just because I read them doesn't mean i glorify any fictional drama that is created "
I'm not suggesting that you do , or should.. there in lies the point of each of us having our own opinion.
" ( or anyone for that matter with that kind of fetish ) "
Now those are your words... I'm not making excuses for anyone else who enjoys fetishes , just that I ( in my opinion ) don't feel that my stuff is so much worse to violent video games , in comparing what's acceptable. ( though I don't subscribe to the idea that anyone has the single right to presume what's right or wrong for others )
" but it think it really goes by how one is supposed to perceive it. "
Good!... That's Your opinion , and I respect that is how You feel!
" I believe their is a difference between finding something simply entertaining, as that comes in many forms,, Then having a sexual fantasy over something,."
Again .. Good!.. I will never ask you or anyone to change your view point , especially when you've put a lot of thought into it. I simply ask the same regard. ( but I well enjoy the discussion 
I think I know the child porn artist you speak of , by way of Rampage's journals... frankly I find it disgusting too. ( I know I've been tagged for drawing under aged " Cartoon " charaters , but I drew them as full bodied adults , not like actual kids. ) .... But as long as he only ' draws ' what he shows , I would be a hypocrite to join the witch hunt in casting that first stone at him for that. I do agree that he broke the rules ( I've come to terms with myself in that regard ) and should kicked out for that reason. In the end.. I choose to leave his disturbing art out of my view.
I do agree there's better measure of trying to explain one's own views to help ' not ' scare people... and in as much try to look past the art at the artist... I guess that's why in part I keep a cooler head from people who want to attack for my art first , and look over my F-bombed corpse afterward. But perhaps if I tried more to present my views in the forefront as you do in your writings.
" .it all depends on how one decides to use it. "
True...in part... but it can also depend on how one decides to perceive it.
I'm well enjoying these view points of discussion
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Okay, after reading through what you said, it seem like you are telling me,,,We simply have differing opinions, and that's its. I get that we can discuss those points in a civil manner, but it still doesn't make much sense.
look I'm not out to to control what one is into, but when it comes to fetish art, things can get tricky. Fetish art is ones personal business, but people are free to do as they wish with it, I mean Yes I am one of those who have no issue with reporting deviants who create such content as yours, ( even if you view it cowardly. but that's another story ) But again that's mostly if the content does go on the line of being about something questionable.
To me, child porn and rape art aren't Much different when it comes to situations like this, both are usually done for a persons sexual pleasure or interest , people shouldn't be attracted to kids, but I also don't think liking idea of Rape or abuse is something one should be attracted to in my book.
And yet you say child porn is disgusting to you, but draw material that involve people being abused sexually or not for the same reason they would draw their art, which doesn't make sense to me.
And on the whole, How one decides to use and perceive it, I really think it's quite clear when a person decides to create such content for what ever reason it is, like say if someone draws animal porn on here, it's usually quite clear why they are drawing it, most of the time it is for a fetish, simple as that, not to say it can't be drawn for other reasons, but that's what most people intend when they create it,
oh yeah I do edit a lot of my comments, but usually because of spelling .
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First... I hope I've not offended in anyway , as I've honestly enjoyed our conversation. If I gave any impression of preaching to you more then talking with you , I apologize.
I guess what sense we make of it , is keeping true to our opinion's , but being respectful of each others right to same. Agree to disagree , but with good grace in our conduct.
I wouldn't define what you've said as trying to control anyone.. ( pardon if my point by point reply earlier might have suggested that was where I was coming from
As far as my Cowardly Lions nick name goes , it's not that I look down on reporting someone because they broke the DA rulebook.. it's just that I think it's sad to stalk and report people behind their back. If for no other reason , my opinion is that a person denies themselves a measure of self dignity in not standing up and openly by their convictions. ( It's because Rampage was the first person to actually face me , for the rules I broke , that I found a respect for him , and made the effort to know him better. ) ... But as you said , that's another story.
I guess it's partly about defining definitions of what makes sense , of what's right or wrong , and that line you mentioned.... But that's the point I try to emphasize in being an individual , as you said , we simply have differing opinions....
.... and perceptions as well.
So we might not really resolve our views about the art , or fiction , or porn , or much of anything.... but I still enjoyed just discussing things. In all , it was never my intent to change your mind about the subject... just to talk , and think about what we each have to say. And for what it's worth... I think that makes sense in itself.
Yeah , I do that too at times , about the spelling
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