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Skunkiss — General Brony tolerance level
Published: 2011-11-24 23:33:40 +0000 UTC; Views: 26781; Favourites: 584; Downloads: 764
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.... FINALLY!!!Gee, this comic killed me the last two and a half days (yeah, it really took THAT long...)
Ok, to the comic ^^
I was really suprised to see in a fandom that mostly produces f/f fanfiction there is so few m/m stuff and usually people are avoiding it like hell xD
(I know there are much less male characters and so m/m is pretty rare, but the general reaction to it is extremely funny)
Love and tolerate... my flank ^^ Some of the best fanfics I have read are m/m so I support this genre with all my heart
So this is kind of a parody to the general double moral amoung Bronys
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*snirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrks* Silly ponies. Homosexuality is common among equines.
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... really? and here i thought it was more normal between penguins than any other animals... well maybe beside humans that is
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Actually it is common among Social animals. [link]
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Indeed, it actually pains many breeders, because up to 30% of stallions only mate with other males.
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Heh. That amuses me so. Humans on the general (if we take the mean that is) Seem to be rather intolerable of homosexuality, even in other species.
It amuses and saddens me...
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Homophobia is technically human only behaviour, though behaviour that can be mistaken for homophobic occurs due to accidents. Many animals like wolves rape their sexual targets, and since male wolves are very agressive, gay male wolves might end up dead by following their instincts.
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I have been... enlighten! xD
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Next time I shall enlighten you with.... PONIES>
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Just make sure its stallions... all that yummy testosterone...
I know... I'm a sick **** xD
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I'll see if Big Macintosh is around.
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Actually, I think Big Mac x Caramel is very sweet and tender! Was that main fic ever finished? It was becoming really sweet, and besides, I kinda want to find out more about Braeburns' sudden attitude towards the rest of the Apple Family.
Then again, I don't consider myself to be a, "brony". Just an old fashioned My Little Pony collector and fan. ^__^
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I'm not going to say that I hate the m// pairings. It's just the Big Mac/Breaburn or Big Mac/Caramel ones. Because they're related, I can't get behind incest, even with animals, where realistically it's quite common.
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It's scary how many people assume mac and caramel are related... In the show, caramel is just a background pony like any other, it is never revealed if he is related to ANYPONY.
Only some fanfics assume that they are related and that somehow got into many heads as a fact even though it is not true.
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Wasn't he in the part where AJ introduces Twilight to the entire Apple Family though? I thought that was where he came from.
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nope, he only appears two times in season1 - he helps in winter wrap up and is one of the two to carry the mane six to the grand gala
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Not this brony ^^ straight, gay, lesbian shipping ftw. Though I gotta say, interspecies shipping: Only in MLP (Spike/Rarity).
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oh lawdy, this is so true. it makes me laugh everytime, but it's still sad.
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This comic exists because Bronies are stupid, basically.
Very gross, Bronies. You put it perfectly in your description - love and tolerance, my flank.
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Nah, come on, that aint fair ^^
Not all Bronies are like that and it ain't nothing to do with "being stupid". Its the same double standart almost EVERY straight guy has, Bronies are just no different
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Well, I never said 'straight guys are smart', did I?
The vast majority of the vocal Brony division are young, straight, white men - who think they are entitled to anything and everything in the fandom. They run roughshod over anyone who isn't young, white, straight and male, including women, gay women, gay men, and - horrors! - anyone different from them.
Some of the Bronies are fine, but the ones who are vocal tend to be very privileged, and therefore unaware of how biased they are towards people who are unlike them. That means M/M content - which is enjoyed by both gay men and women - automatically becomes 'gross' and not worthy of attention. It also plays into the whole misogyny thing they have going on; women are not welcome, because women are generally threatening to immature men. Even if the fandom was originally created by/intended for women, they don't care - they just want their lesbian ponies.
Don't know if you can tell, but I am growing increasingly dispirited with the shittiness of the Brony population.
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THANK YOU. SOMEONE agrees that the double standard concerning gay couples in MLP is just ugh. Sooo much respect to ya. <3
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I think Twilight just likes Caramel and doesn't want him with Big Mac :3
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m/m isnt very popular since most straight males do not like Gay/Yaoi (or whatever other term you want) fanfics. In addition those add to the stereotype that only Gay people like MLP (thankfully those rumors have reduced over the past year.) so there are reasons M/M shipping is not nearly as popular.
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If only gay people liked MLP, personally I'd be of the opinion that that made the LGBT community more than just 12% of the population XD
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Several gay males do find the show appealing, to the point that there's the occasional LGBT MLP fan group here and there.
For the most part, though, I think they're pushed aside by other bronies.
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Well statistically speaking, a certain percentage of bronies have to come from almost every quarter. I'm a bisexual brony for instance
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Same here (though "brony" is arguable given my...unorthodoxy).
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You're bi? What do you mean you're unorthodox?
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Yes, I am bi. The unorthodox part reffers in that I, not liking most of the fandom, am willing to troll the fandom, like writing fanfics where the characters either die horribly or do completly OOC things.
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Mm, I don't condone trolling. I think it a malicious and unnecessary thing to do. I mean I write fanfics where the characters die horribly, but that's just because I like morbid things.
And if you don't like most of the fandom, I'm not sure why you would consider yourself a brony. You'd have to explain the logic there
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Like I said, "brony" is arguable when it comes to me. I like the show, but that's about it.
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Aw, I just want to give Caramel a big hug in panel 4...
But yeah, yay for double standards!
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This is funny, cause for me I don't really like AppleJack/Rainbow Dash but I find Big Mac/Caramel pretty cute.
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There is a big difference between the population of stallions to mares so if mares "go that way" it's fine. But if stallions do that the mares are going to be PISSED!
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OMFG COLT CUDDLERS! BURN THEM! BURN THEM ON THE STAKE! (Royal Canterlot Voice is Cruise Control for Cool... Not!)
No but actually that not how a react, I stay away from Male X Male shipping but I have nothing against it.
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This made me laugh way too much. Y'know, I haven't really seen any negative reactions to it, I myself avoid it for the most part unless it's written really well. Personally I think it's cute but it's not exactly my usual read.
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i had read that wrong. but i still believe Pinkie Pie would't mind Big Mac and Caramel together. she loves everyone. Twilight on the other hand....Well she would be against it. but society in general accepts lesbians more I think b/c since we're mostly male centric we find a girl/girl relationship more acceptable, than a male/male one.
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This is also an exaggeration of American opinion on gay relationships: We are FAAAAAAAAAAAAAR more tolerant of lesbians than gay guys.
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Appledash i am more than happy to represent, Twipie, is ok, but caramel and Big mac? Not so much.
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Twilight's KKK-style mask looks more like an Eldar helmet.
Which is completely fine and would make sense.
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Eldar-helmet?... like in ... 40k Eldar?
Darn... must have slipped into my subconscious somehow...
I actually just started a small Eldar-army xD
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When viewed from the outside, female homosexuality can be seen just as an extension of male heterosexuality as it involves the gender of interest.
So, when you get a universe which a disproportionate amount of female characters and a large amount of heterosexual male fans producing content, F/F pairings will happen that much more often. And M/M representation will looked dwarfed as a result. Anyone who hates on M/M shipping is kinda missing the point of 'love and tolerate', but I'd say the amount of people who take an active interest against such pairings are tiny and irrelevant (unless someone decides to make them relevant by feeding such parasprites), whereas a large amount of people just are no interested in m/m to begin with, as a matter of natural preference.
In fact, just as an added extra, I would say that the title of this submission is painting a good group with a bad brush, tolerate does not mean endorse, it's more live and let live, your application of this comic to a "general brony" is sloppy at best. I would say that the "general brony" would be ok with others being as they are with the understanding that they would be tolerated for being as they themselves are. As an aside, it's ok to find gay gross, just as its ok for a gay person to find vaginas gross, maturity happens when there is an empathetic understanding beyond oneself that allows the understanding that it's not the same for everyone else, that's where tolerance comes from. You may argue that points of view displayed in the comic are of homophobes (and it does clearly step over the line on the second last panel) but then please, for the sake of accuracy, don't declare it as an "general brony" reaction or attitude when I severely doubt that is the case.
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First of all thanks for taking the time to think about the topic and writing such a detailed comment.
I get your point, I know the facts and I definitly know that not all and maybe not even many bronys "hate" gays and gay fanfics and stuff.
What so many people seem to miss is that this is a comic, just a parody to make people smile, nothing more. I never expected to get this kind of feedback.
EQD declined my request to submit this to their webside because "the topic always causes too much drama" and now I totally get their point.
I was just annoyed that whenever I found one of the few M/M storys and browsed the comments for information about the quality of the story I only found comments like: "M/M? - no thanks", "I definitly won't read that" and "I only read f/f, sorry", instead of anything constructive.
And yes, I feel offended when people call M/M stuff "gross", even though it is just a cute romance fanfic (nobody talks about clopfics here, that stuff does not count since most of it is mindless crap anyway, no matter the kind of shipping).
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Nothing gets me committed to a comment more than the light of dawn reminding me to go to bed, and as cyclical as it sounds, I appropriate the appreciation.
I felt like commenting just to try and add some perspective, or trigger the thought that the subject is not so much about intolerance as it is mere preference. One can't do much to change their disliking of males as one could do much to change their liking of males, so it's completely ok for people to not want to read about any particular relationship story if the configuration of characters does not appeal to them. Of course, this is the internet and people make very redundant and pointless comments all the time (See: "First!") so it comes as no surprise that people open their mouth and a lot of nothing gets contributed, and again, the internet contains trolls who just as easily get a rise from a homeless man as they would a shopkeeper, nun or civil rights activist, this happens. Finally, you can get to the actual problem, an actual bigot, if we look at the comic (excluding the last 2 panels) and see pinkie is making a deceleration of independent fact (though its more an opinion from an outsider) "it IS unnatural" in context to twilights "I think I'm going to be sick". What we see here is twilight, perhaps being a bit fucked up or over-sensitive, she is a person and is free to find something repulsive, in fact very few people can control repulsion (aside from just getting used to it) so you cant fault her for being grossed out (though aside from a warning of projectile vomit, its polite to keep it to yourself in most situations, some people are just not polite). Meanwhile you have pinkie laying out condemnation of the couple, in the comic and the examples you shared, this is the only comment that actually condemns male homosexuality as a bad thing, all the rest are redundant statements of personal preference. So at worse you are saying that decided to depict the typical brony is insensitive and pig-headed, and you then proceed to conclude them into lynch mobs (comedy often relies on extremes so I guess that is where the conclusion would lead for the best dramatic effect). To be honest, the comic itself, had I seen it out of context of this submission, I would not have commented to the extent I have, but when your title and description frames the intent behind it, I found the use of sweeping generalisations irk worthy, and that the herd we are a part of deserved a voice to reflect upon, I don't want to shout "YOU'RE WRONG!", you hit some points that I will agree with, I just felt like tapping you on shoulder and remind that "Yes, there are pig-headed dolts who make pointless comments. No, that is not even a significant number of people in the fandom. Yes, couples of all stripes should be allowed to feel the universal joy of love. No, just because you accept someone is in love does not mean you have to find the idea as appealing as the people involved. And finally Yes, bigots suck and I'd reckon that most of the herd would rally behind the side that loves and tolerates. Nao draw moar poni plz."
TL;DR
"Ew" and "HAWT" is fine.
"That's Right" and "That's Wrong!" is not so fine.
For transparency, I don't read much shipfics, but I don't mind seeing ship pics if they are done well enough. But if I did read, I would rather put in the time to read about fluttermac or dashfire than I would Granny Smith and Cheerilee (Morbid curiosity withstanding), the blade of personal prefrence cuts every which way.
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I'm fine with any pony ship, as long as the characters have at least a few things in common. I can't stand pairings that don't make any sense. Caramac is pretty cute I have to admit ^.^
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If I may interject, the brony fandom is predominantly male.
Men tend to watch girl on girl and enjoy it. But even if they are supportive of gay rights, they don't tend to go around seeking out gay male porn.
Assuming you're male and straight... would YOU go watch man-on-man porn?
Now take into account that the bronies have to make these stories themselves. Most of them, likely won't want to make them and just as few will want to read them. It's not about being homophobic or intolerant, it's just we don't swing that way and we're not interested in reading that.
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Ahh, the joy of double standards.
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