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Not actually supposed to be be Emily per say, just a bit of wordplay
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I didn't know that GNR singles had domes? Or is this a different design?
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A few in their 11th hour did (something like five members). In time Ivatt would of domed the rest of Stirling's design as and when but train loads overtook what even beefed up Singles could handle and being express designs they weren't really suitable for demotion and so were soon being cut up sadly.
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Your photoshopping skills never cease to amaze.
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I find grainy photos more difficult to work with but this was quite an easy one actually, just banked out the smokebox door & hinges, plumed a choice Emily face on top, then overlaid sections of the grab handle and the bits in front of her smokebox wings. Very often i'll tidy things up on Pixelmator but beside cropping the overlays in Preview 99% of this was done on Word Document including a photo grain filter on Emily's face to help it blend in.
Anywho thanks, should be making a few more uploads for DA over the next few months
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where did you find the image it looks pre-1900
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It's an old GNR postcard I got from eBay. Undated but probably taken just after 1900 due to it being a domed rebuild.
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Thanks? Sorry but why the wink?
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I don't know.
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There's no one quite like Emily. Not sure why, but she looks adorable here.
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Ridiculous as her inclusion was to the show at the time I can't help but like Emily due to her design and she's been much better since S17.
I think the low 3/4 angle perspective is part of the reason but on top of that I believe the added dome is making her look quite compact instead of usually being slender along the lengthy parallel boiler.
Oh ps I'm a good way through my reply to you elsewhere but it'll be a few more days due to a very busy stint on the farm. Next week I won't be having to burn the candle at both ends though as my old man is back from hols and thankfully the ewes have made their last big push with younglings
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I rather liked her design in the eighth season, and in the episode 'Emily in the Middle' - again, not sure why. But her design has got to be the most unique one ever shown in the series - I think the only locomotive who's even sort of close to Emily is Whiff, because they share the same wheel arrangement.
Oohh! I hadn't even noticed her dome until you pointed it out! I always thought for the longest time that the golden-brass thing in front of her whistle was her dome. Although, it might also be the face mask that you chose - D'aw, that smile of hers. Lol
Oh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up, I thought that my reply had somehow not gone through, or something like that. And thank God for the Lambs and Ewes.
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I really need to rewatch 5-8 to observe the model work. It's not the best story but i've just realised i've not even seen Emily's Adventure before! The storm effects, backdrop and camera work are actually pretty good.
Lol in that case you also missed the play of words in the title from off 'Respect for Gordon' and 'Domeless Engines' 
Yeah i'm afraid I can only manage shortish messages currently due to having to bottle feed more lambs than usual for this time of the year and as they need feeding 2-3 times a day it really saps time between other duties (the edit above was a quickie from my 'want to do' list). Think we're down to only 25 or less still in lamb and tomorrow is the last morning I need to get up early thankfully as my old man will re-take charge on that. Over the next day or two we can then clear out about half of what are penned up into the fields and that leaves less to feed and water etc so it's all downhill now
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Seasons 5 - 8 is where the show started going downhill for me. Season 5 looked like Michael Bay took over, but season 8 was tolerable. Emily's adventure was an okay episode, but you are right about the visual effects. I think they've done it for a number of other episodes too, like the ones in winter.
'Respect for Gordon' was in Season 9, right? And that's also the one where he gets made fun of for making funny noises at night, and then later on, he runs into some jelly tankers and he's sent to the works afterwards? And yeah, I definitely missed the word play there. It's called a bonnet? That's actually pretty funny. Now, I can't stop thinking about a human Emily wearing a bonnet and racing about in a bakery, lol - what is my imagination? I always thought that her Safety Valve bonnet was actually her dome because it was covered in one of the animated learning segments that the show had for a while, I think. And by vogue, you mean . . .?
That's okay. Visiting the pioneer villages that are nearby my home here in Canada, you get to have a taste of exactly how taxing a day on the farm can really be, so I really don't mind.
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I had at least one S5 vid back in the day and they were entertaining but yeah things were quickly getting silly.
Yarp. Not actually seen it, or if I have then I can't remember it but I know most of the titles from a letter change game on SiF and that does sound like the synopsis.
The cover can also be called a dome, just depends on the railway/author it seems but now that you mention it Rosie from The Little Engine That Could springs to mind
'Vogue' just means in fashion, as in safety domes were quite common at the turn of the century. if ever unsure about a definition just do a quick Google and 99% of the time it'll give you the right example and its quicker.
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Honestly, S5 rather scared me.
Oh, right. Words in England have different meanings in America. i.e. Lolly = Popsicle. (Thank you Kipper the Dog)
Who's Rosie in The Little Engine that Could? The one animation that I saw first had the locomotives named: Farnsworth, Pete, Jebidiah, Georgia and Tillie. Or was this in the CG Animation that came out a few years ago?
Oohh, Vogue like the Magazine. (I see those covers wayy too often) And Safety Domes are just a railway fashion statement? Wait, so then does this look like the engine has two domes?
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Oh sorry I did mean Georgia. It's been some while since I last watched the old cartoon movie on vid but I could of sworn she was called Rosie thanks to her livery and rosy cheeks.
www.behindthevoiceactors.com/m…
Yeah I suppose you could put the safety cover down to the Victorian practice of covering up things to make a design look pleasing, seems to be why we also got into the habit of the inside cylinder practice more than you over the pond.
For the unwary it can be confusing and it certainly caught me out back in the day. More so in your neck of the woods than ours but there are also sand domes and even the unusual top feed variant that the LB&SC probably championed the most prolifically in Britain.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LB%26SCR…
www.semgonline.com/steam/b2cla…
www.semgonline.com/steam/e5cla…
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Oh, her? I don't remember her being called Rosie, unless it was by one of the other male locomotives. Although, I don't blame your train of thought regarding her name. (Lol)
Fashion can be so exhausting. Inside Cylinders? Is this what gives an engine a third cylinder, like the Patriot Class of the LMS? I always wondered how that worked, like, how is it situated, and all of that. I remembered hearing about it in Damocles178's TRoB Episode 1 part 2, some several years ago.
Those double-domes are a funny look, but the fact that the Southern Railway utilized it makes me think of the USA Dock Tank, and its three domes.
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Yeah completely in my head 
If an engine has a three or four cylinder set up then unless it's a split wheelbase type like Mighty Mac odds are very high that there will be an inside cylinder(s). Every loco design is different but usually the inside cylinders have an access point below the smokebox,
vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lo…
With Thomas and the Caledonian twins though they are completely hidden by a cover flap.
Kinetically inside designs are more efficient as the moving parts are closer to the centre and this is why outside cylinder engines like Skarloey and the Falcons 'wagged' when in the original forms but as access is more difficult this is a big con and why we eventually phased it out on almost all designs as you lot did.
With engines like the GWR's four cylinder stud designs rockers were used as the drive is divided (middle wheels on the outside, leading on the inside).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kN5G…
Gresley's on the other hand were much more complicated as they were not divided and as he had a love of middle wheel prolusion this meant that it was difficult to clear the leading driving axle, especially on passenger designs owing to the large driver diameter.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgLJu…
Basically this is why Flying Scotsman has no visible middle cylinder due to it being in line with the outside cylinders. Raven also had undivided drive on his pacific but it was more simply placed on the leading drivers, but even with short connecting rods this meant that his 'skittle alley' design became elongated. This whole area is why Henry (I) and Gordon's origins are made more tricky.
Yes they do look a bit queer on our metals and the USA Dock Shunter is no exception
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I’ve only ever met one girl named Georgia, but I never really spoke to her. Even so, you might run into more than one girl up here with that name, usually they’re working as store clerks in places like Walmart or some other grocery store chain.
I see, but the inside cylinders are usually on engines without the outside cylinders, right? I always used to wonder how those types of locomotives moved. I remember the 10 Years of Thomas video, and how Thomas somehow had outside cylinders, it rather did throw me off.
Engines with outside cylinders ‘wag’, lol. I guess the smallest ones should be called ‘Puppies’, eh?
I remember seeing a documentary about the Hunslet Austerities, and the man explained that the inside cylinders were much harder to maintain and access. I don’t remember seeing any American or Canadian Locomotives with inside pistons, I’ve only ever seen the ones with theirs on the outside.
That’s actually very trippy to watch, it almost looks like there are six pistons moving all at once! Gresley’s design is even harder for me to visually process.
So essentially, with the pistons running on the front wheels, the base had to be lengthened to properly accommodate the ‘power-train’(?) Wait, but how does it make Henry’s and Gordon’s origins more complicated?
I wouldn’t know much about the American strain of Motive power, I’ve always focused more on British Rail.
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For the most part yes but our bigger passenger engines prior to some of the BR standards were often both innies and outies. I know what you mean, as I kid it used to confuse me a little too. Inside Singles are probably the most eerie as you can not see anything moving. Unfortunately the Caledonian and Midland survivors have been static for some time now but if you go to 15:10 you'll see what I mean.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH7OTY…
Hah well maybe that's why they're Pugs
With divided drive it's easy enough. The connecting rods have to be equal though as otherwise the cylinder timings would run out of sync. Raven's united drive was the simplest as there were three full motions on his Pacifics but Gresley's conjugated drive on the second axle is quite a feat and needed more upkeep, something Thompson was keen to do away with once he got his chance.
The conjugated aspect is one of the main things about Gordon and Henry's history that makes them difficult. Henry you can argue is actually quite strait forward if say the thief stole the 1915 outline. Gresley's 4-cylinder experiment on an Ivatt Atlantic had quite an awkward layout and its less than hoped for performance is why the would be Pacific
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did not proceed it seems but it would be easy enough to have given it a more conventional GWResque layout. Alternatively Henry could be a simple 2-cylnder design similar to the BR Britannia Class/Gordon Post 1939 and it would make his underneath area vacant but this set up on such a large engine would be unusual for the time in Britain.
Gordon is the more tricky engine to be honest as separating him from Great Northern isn't easy. Gresley could not go ahead with the 3-cylinder design he used on No.461 due to clearance issues when incorporated larger drivers and even if he could of the multiple parts set up was not suited for high speeds and so until Holcroft came to his rescue it was going nowhere. Something the 'AO' paper overlooks is the axle load limit as well. The thesis hinges around Gordon being used as a guinea pig for sometime and being rebuilt by quite a bit, but is ignorant of the 'universal wheelbase' point being false. The wheelbase was increased during the in-between Prairie design, as the more favoured heavier version of it raised concern about the amount of weight on the area of rails. All this Earth Prime stuff would be easier to explain this on SiF if you interested but basically the finalised A1 pushed the weight limit to the max and Gresley even cheated to get it approved by not filing the boiler half way up which was standard during a weighing! Not long before Great Northern was began as well there was a national survey of Britain's rails to work out what designs could be cooked up incase of further hostilities (WW1 having only just passed). Nothing came of it arguably until WW2 but this survey gave firm knowledge as to what could be designed without the civil engineer naysaying and it's dubious Gresley could of got the green light prior.
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Ooh, I've seen these in the Train Simulator game that JH55000 TheScotsmanReturns and Angry Welshman Productions use. I see it, it is pretty weird to see. Although, the puffing does give it away, so you can still sort of guess how fast the locomotive is going.
Lol, well done! XD
By Douglas, you mean The TR's Douglas, right? I never did get that as a kid, even now if I watch videos of the TR events that Douglas is in, he's always running smoothly, except when he's going over point-work.
Oohh, is that what Henry was based off of, the Four cylinder experiment? I never would've known that. At first, I mistook that image in the link to be a Gresley Raven - slow brains . . . - So basically, since the A0's wheels were too big, they couldn't be fitted to accommodate the third cylinder until a new set of frames were applied to the initial design?
Hmm, as cool as Gresley seems, he also appears to be a bit shifty. Even so, his design did get approved, and it did last until some time after the Modernization plan.
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We'll that's true along with the webbing on the drivers but still it comes off a little ghostly in my eye, love singles as even at speed the large drivers rotate slower than you expect.
Yep TR Douglas, they were doing 'driver for a tenner' the weekend I attended. In fairness the track is much smoother now which has eliminated the trains veering side to side quite spectacularly as they travel but between Wharf and Pendre I was allowed to open him up a little and you could feel him boxing slightly, standing up you were also aware of his roof being closer to the bridge than in the coaches also.
The would be Pacific had more Ivatt than Gresley in him but the arrangement Gresley tried on one of his Atlantics first would of also been applied to it if it had proved more successful. The Atlantic's tractive effort was actually raised but fell short of what I might of hoped and by then he was becoming more interested in 3-cylinder propulsion. Anywho there's enough slack in the canon for Henry to have any propulsion arrangement, as the man behind the theft would of had his own input to add and Gresley's arrangement was awkward over say GWR divided drive.
Concerning Gresley yes essentially the wheels were too big for the set up he applied to the 2-8-0 (No.461) as the inside motion would not be able to clear the axle between the leading drivers. This appears to be why the Prairie concepts emerged, as by raising the cylinders quite high up he would of been able to clear it but once Holcroft showed him a way out of his issue it was applied to the 2-6-0 K3 and then satisfied for the most part applied the 'Gresley gear' again to a Pacific concept. Again if you were registered with SiF I would be to show the events chronologically in my Great Northern thread in proper detail if you were interested in the ins and outs but thats the short of it, unfortunately though the three Prairie drawings seem to have not survived.
Well he was pushing the boat true but also confident that his design was sound for the permanent way in practice. By contrast on the Highland the CME and the Civil Engineer were not on good terms and when Smith's River Class appeared they were immediately confined to the shed and shortly after sold to the Caledonian and then post-grouping were running on the the former's network anyway! In a nut shell they were fine but disagreements on what was acceptable for the intended routes of a new class were important to be resolved before ordering, and Gresley's engines would have to run on NER metals as well as the GNR's in order to run to London and back.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland…
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Actually got to see No.1 at York a while back. It's weird seeing the collection up close as all the imperfections can then be seen but still she's a show stealer 
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Lucky. I wish I could see too sometime.
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Always had a soft spot the GNR's elegant 8fters but with a full sized tender and Ivatt's domed boiler the Stirling Single really does look quite beefy
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I just find it gorgeous
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The earlier batches got their splashers filled in to match the solid type ones but yep only a few got upgraded with domes. It's a shame that their replacement boilers and other upgrades were not enough to really stall them being withdrawn but I do find it surprising that i've yet to see anyone pimp out Emily in such a way in order to improve her output on Sodor.
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Wow, I always wondered why some of them had domes and others didn't.
What is that...golden thing behind the dome? I've been trying to figure out what it is. I might know it, but I've forgotten XD
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They came about due to Henry Ivatt taking over from Stirling and trying to improve the existing stud but only a small handful got so treated due to train loads overtaking what they could pull and as the singles were not really suited for non express type duties there was little point in keeping them on once they were up for repairs.
It's the safety valve bonnet/cover. Quite a lot of the railway companies did away with them in time leaving the valves exposed but the GWR were an exception.
l7.alamy.com/zooms/58349a4297d…
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Aye i've wanted to do the blasphemous dome upgrade version for a while now and I think this is just about the best pic of one. Anyway cheers and thanks for the fave
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No worries. I enjoyed this one a lot. A nice take.
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