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Published: 2013-05-25 11:07:42 +0000 UTC; Views: 27882; Favourites: 200; Downloads: 110
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Description Okay now, there have been a lot of things that bother me when writing stories or looking at pictures of characters drawn with their measurements/dimensions. I have tried bringing it up with people individually but it would seem that a lot of people aren't willing to accept that wildly incorrect measurements for a character, especially a BBW, can completely ruin a story for a viewer. I have had it happen a few times that I am reading a very good story and then the author describes their 350lb, 6 foot lady as having a 26 inch waist or something equally unfeasible and I immediately lose interest in the story and stop reading. So this tutorial/reference sheet should hopefully give you all some help when it comes to considering dimensions in art or writing.

Consider your character's height. 5'4 is the average height for a woman in the UK or USA. Your 5'6 female character is certainly not short.
The average weight for a woman in the USA is around 160lbs. Your character is unlikely to stand out as being particularly large unless they are considerably heavier than this.
If you wish to use the words overweight or obese, please understand what they mean. They are medical terms, albeit largely useless ones. A person with a BMI of 25-30 is considered overweight. A person with a BMI over 30 is considered obese. My BMI is 30.9, to give you some indication of what that looks like. Here is a brilliant sight showing you how flawed BMI is as an estimation of body fat: [link]
Muscle mass makes a difference in your shape but isn't going to give you a hugely higher weight or lower body fat for that weight unless your character happens to be about as fit as your average triathlete or body builder.
Women have four main types of body: straight, hourglass, pear or apple. I am an hourglass, if that helps. Here is a diagram about body types: [link] The body shape tends to stay the shape regardless of size: I could be a skinny hourglass or a fat hourglass but I'm never going to be a pear or a ruler.

And finally, I mentioned at the end of the tutorial that I don't like it when people put dimensions in writing. Weight and height are fine, but to be hip, bust and waist measurements just cry out of lazy writing. If you are a good writer you don't need to state numbers to convince people of what your character looks like and it doesn't really add very much even if you get the numbers right. Besides which, how many of you know off hand what your chest, waist and hip measurements are? So why do you think us ladies would? For example, take the two paragraphs below:

1. Jessica walked into the room, her 300lb, 5'6 body straining against the fabric of her dress as it pulled tight against her curves. All her life she had been blessed with a voluptuous figure, her F cup breasts filling out the front of all but the largest of shirts, her 60 inch hips giving her a swollen hourglass shape compared to her 45 inch waist. She had dangerous curves and she knew it.

2. Jessica sauntered into the room, head held high as she looked around at all those before her. Taller than most, she carried her extra weight in a very pleasing manner, much larger than any of the other women in the room but with a heaving bosom that called out to all but the most strong willed of men, her thick, luscious thighs spilling out of slits down the side of her dress, allowing the soft satin to encase her enormous hips and rear, seams on the verge of bursting as her belly, though dainty by comparison, pushed the front of her dress out into a most pleasingly round shape. She had to have been at least twice the size of the other woman here but she certainly knew how to work it.

Now, I tried to be fair with the amount of descriptive text in each of those paragraphs. To me, the second paragraph flows much better and allows the reader to create their own picture of Jessica and her curves in their sensual glory rather than a shorter, quicker and easier way of doing it in the first paragraph. Frankly, in my opinion if you can't be bothered to put the effort in to make a good description of your character you shouldn't be sharing your work.

Anyway, that's enough from me! Love it? Hate it? Stopped reading 20 minutes ago? Stop by and leave a comment below! <3
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Comments: 205

Analog-AI In reply to ??? [2013-06-03 11:52:05 +0000 UTC]

I would never mock somebody for providing knowledge to those who act in ignorance. I prefer this avatar because its expression fits so well with the bawdy nature of the art I upload to this account.

This sort of info is something that most men would be unaware of existing, much less seek out. And (only because this is the internet), of the few times I've seen a cup sizing chart the numbers and annotations associated with the individual letters left me stymied for the most part.

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smile-flight In reply to Analog-AI [2013-06-03 13:14:26 +0000 UTC]

Haha, you are right, it certainly does match!

I know that most men and even most women aren't aware of how bra sizes work properly. There tends to be a culture that if you can get the bra on, it fits. Even as a teenager I used to wear bras several sizes too small for me because I could sort of force my chest into them and they stayed in most of the time so I figured they fit. It was kinda a wake up call to realise I had been wearing a bra a size too big around the chest and 3 sizes too small on the cup! But yes, the numbers are very important. Mainly because a 32D lady has considerably smaller breasts than a 40D lady. The cup size is a proportion rather than an absolute, I think that is where most people get confused!

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Analog-AI In reply to smile-flight [2013-06-04 10:08:11 +0000 UTC]

Hmm... You'd think that we'd have some sort of computer aided laser measurement system available.

Wait, I've got an idea for a Kickstarter!

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smile-flight In reply to Analog-AI [2013-06-04 10:21:49 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha, I would love that!! As it is you just have to stand in a room and get oggled by a trained lady for a while and she basically guessing your bra size, or at least that is what I've heard! I'd be much more comfortable with a laser!

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Analog-AI In reply to smile-flight [2013-06-04 10:26:47 +0000 UTC]

Heck, couple that with 3D printing and we'll have solved pretty much all mechanical issues containing and controlling one of God's greatest gifts to man.

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smile-flight In reply to Analog-AI [2013-06-04 12:22:10 +0000 UTC]

We have got this sorted, haven't we? Now all we need is an engineer on board to make the machines and we are sorted! We'll be rich!

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Forcedlactationlover In reply to smile-flight [2013-10-11 19:53:57 +0000 UTC]

I have a slightly unkind thought here. Make sure your engineer doesn't make the laser too powerful or the items being measured might just suffer some serious burns, at the least destructive. (Remember, I did say it was an UN-kind thought.)

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smile-flight In reply to Forcedlactationlover [2013-10-11 21:44:02 +0000 UTC]

....ouch. That is all I can say on that topic! *winces*

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Analog-AI In reply to smile-flight [2013-06-04 22:19:46 +0000 UTC]

Sounds awesome to me!

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bmann0413 In reply to ??? [2013-05-28 00:42:56 +0000 UTC]

Hm, interesting. This will be greatly beneficial.

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smile-flight In reply to bmann0413 [2013-05-28 07:49:58 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad you think so!

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B0b-Observer In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 18:27:20 +0000 UTC]

For someone like me measurements are mostly confusing. Anything besides height and cup size I'm not really going to know. Weight for me can only be calculated in pounds for someone that's light weight or average (given that's where my own weight falls). I've come across 3 others with something like this somewhere on the internet and 2 of them sided with you. Best to describe how the person looks rather than exact measurements.

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smile-flight In reply to B0b-Observer [2013-05-26 19:55:33 +0000 UTC]

I think it makes sense that you can only guess people that are around your own weight. I tend to get fuzzy when it comes to extremely light or heavy people. Ah, I can't say I've ever seen anything else addressing this issue myself but this is my take on it at least.

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B0b-Observer In reply to smile-flight [2013-05-27 16:27:26 +0000 UTC]

Well if I remember right one such thing was over on writing DOT com. I'll have to check the archives to see if its exact link was saved.

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smile-flight In reply to B0b-Observer [2013-05-27 19:41:26 +0000 UTC]

Well I've never heard of that website before but I'll take your word for it!

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B0b-Observer In reply to smile-flight [2013-05-28 03:31:34 +0000 UTC]

[link]

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Xerovore In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 17:02:40 +0000 UTC]

I definitely support this, thank you for sharing the information! I've always come from the mindset of not knowing the exact numbers and describing traits/comparisons to get my idea of size across. This will be helpful when conversing with those who are more number oriented, thank you very much for contributing to the community!

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smile-flight In reply to Xerovore [2013-05-26 17:41:54 +0000 UTC]

You are welcome, thank you so much for taking the time to write a supportive comment! I agree completely, if you describe a character properly then there is no need for measurements. I am glad you think it well be helpful and it was my pleasure!

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super-e In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 09:53:14 +0000 UTC]

Men love numbers. Stats. But it is true, we need to be accurate.

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smile-flight In reply to super-e [2013-05-26 11:27:49 +0000 UTC]

I know that isn't so for all men. But it is less about being accurate and more about not completely destroying the suspension of disbelief in your readers.

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Overrated-Relish In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 05:08:05 +0000 UTC]

I agree with this and that you don't like reading stories with measurements.

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smile-flight In reply to Overrated-Relish [2013-05-26 08:40:04 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much. ^^

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Overrated-Relish In reply to smile-flight [2013-05-26 20:20:23 +0000 UTC]

^^

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Havendrifter In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 04:57:25 +0000 UTC]

I agree with this

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smile-flight In reply to Havendrifter [2013-05-26 08:40:12 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!

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Havendrifter In reply to smile-flight [2013-05-26 18:43:53 +0000 UTC]

you very welcome

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Forcedlactationlover In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 03:32:47 +0000 UTC]

Neither loved not hated it, but I do think that it gives a lot of intelligently prepared information. I happen to be one of those weights and measurements authors. Used with some sense, and as was done here, based on a good deal of research, stats are just another tool, in my case one that excites, rather than limits, imagination. To each his/her own. They don't work for everyone and, as is made very clear here, used improperly or inaccurately, they can be story killers.
Moral of the story here is a simple one, before you use a tool of description, such as stats; learn it, study it, understand it, and recognize its limitations(this last is crucial). Then, you can use it with a fair confidence that it won't hurt your storytelling.

The emoticon is a 'strong approval'.

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smile-flight In reply to Forcedlactationlover [2013-05-26 08:44:01 +0000 UTC]

First off, thank you very much for taking the time to give me such a lovely comment! Yes, if you use them correctly and you know how to write then I don't have a problem with people using stats at all. It is just when people use them incorrectly or as a lazy shorthand, you know? That is indeed the moral of the story, too many people just dive in with no idea what they are talking about and that can be a total mood killer for your readers! If you are a good writer it is certainly possible to use stats and measurements to your advantage, I probably should have made that clearer. Thank you again for the comment!

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Cnidarian-S5 In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 01:40:53 +0000 UTC]

Well, as a reader I never could picture what a writer was talking about when sizes were mentioned. Even weight alone is hard enough for me to imagine, especially when reading stories with higher ranges. Been in the FA community for some years now, but I still don't know of a good series of size comparison pictures. For longer stories with progressive gain, I suppose that's the most suited for including measurements. Does make you wonder how people pick there numbers after reading this.

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smile-flight In reply to Cnidarian-S5 [2013-05-26 08:50:24 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the comment, first off! I know that my mind always draws a blank when authors mention sizes so they don't add much to the story for me and when they are completely wrong it ruins the whole story for me. Yes, I tend to have a limit on how high a weight I can imagine as well, but if weight isn't mentioned then you tend to fill in the gaps from the descriptions with author uses, which is a better way of doing it in my opinion. Yes I can understand wanting to use measurements in long series like that and in a lot of ways it is necessary in long weight gain stories to show the size increase but it has to be done realistically. As I said, if I find one more 300lb pear shaped lady being described as having 40 inch hips, I will throw somebody across the room! Weight itself isn't immune from this either; a lot of authors talk about girls much taller and 30lbs lighter than me as having huge bellies or jiggling about when they walk. It does make you wonder if they just pick the numbers out of thin air, doesn't it?

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Forcedlactationlover In reply to smile-flight [2013-12-05 13:40:40 +0000 UTC]

Something occurs to me here. One reason, I suspect, for so much unrealistic WG writing is that expectations of what is normal are skewed by thinking that TV and Hollywood represent 'normal' body types. If your standard of a 'normal' body is tall and slender, which is what they both tend to present (although there are major exceptions, particularly as to height), you might see 5'-6" as short (you're right, it's NOT), and 150 pounds as fat (accurate onlyΒ on a truly short woman). Just a thought.

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smile-flight In reply to Forcedlactationlover [2013-12-26 23:30:53 +0000 UTC]

I think that could be part of the issue but to be honest I think that people place too much important on tv and hollywood representations when it comes to considering how the general public view bodies. After all, the bodies that people see most aren't those on tv, they are the bodies of the real people around them. So whilst tv representations might skew people's idea of the norm a little I don't think they have that much of an effect because almost everyone is aware of what people around them actually look like, such as their friends and families. I also think most people are aware that tv and hollywood don't show 'normal' body types even if it does still influence them a little. My opinion at least. I do think it is interesting though that tv and hollywood have a reputation for casting tall women where as a large amount of actresses and musicians are actually shorter in stature (Shakira is only 5'2, for example, Kylie is under 5'0 and Sarah Michelle Gellar, Alysson Hannigan and Julie Benz are all around 5'2 or shorter). There is a weird tendency of actresses and such to give ridiculously low weight measurements as well, far below what would be expected for a woman of their height and build. Either hollywood women are extremely finely boned and lightly muscles or they exaggerate their lightness, the latter of which I find to be more likely.Β 

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Forcedlactationlover In reply to smile-flight [2013-12-27 05:49:40 +0000 UTC]

I don't think that people think that Hollywood bodies are normal so much as I am afraid that they are seen as ideal, and therefore worth trying to emulate. For most women, this is simply impossible, short of major surgery.

I was thinking of the many thousands (or is it millions?) of teenagers who have literally starved themselves in pursuit of something that Nature forbids them, in the vast majority of cases, to have.

As to the matter of height, I am well aware that there are now, and always have been, many actresses of great good looks, and no particular stature as to height. I was just thinking that the so-called 'norm' calls for tall, busty, and slender, and that THAT is exceptional. She's no actress, but Kim Kardashian is extremely easy on the eyes at only 5'-2", and is notorious for her looks.Β J L HewittΒ is the same height, and unusually curvy in the best sense. So, Oh Yeah, there are many shorter examples in Hollywood and the media, but they're are seen as unusual, which is far more false than the tall, slender, busty "ideal". THAT was that part of my point.

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smile-flight In reply to Forcedlactationlover [2013-12-27 12:10:42 +0000 UTC]

Ah, that is true. I know that I am lucky all my female friends are the level headed types that don't put much value on trying to look a certain way to please people. I have noticed that almost every woman makes a new years resolution to diet or lose weight though and I think that is a bit worrying.Β 


I know only a few years ago I did something similar myself, starving and exercising myself (amongst other things like sitting in icy cold places to increase the metabolism and burn fat) until I was at a weight that was simply unhealthy for me. I am only 5'2 myself and I think the lowest weight I ever got to was 120lbs, which is still a long way off 'hollywood weights' but I looked very ill and couldn't do things like sit down without cushions as my spine and hips were sticking out so much. A lot of the reason most women can't look like hollywood actresses is more to do with bone structure than anything. Sadly I am terrible at remembering the actual names of the authors or anything useful like that but I remember reading a study that showed the shoulder width and rib cage depth of about 90% of famous actresses were in the smallest 5% of the general population. I think those were the figures though I might be wrong. Certainly at my lightest you could see all my bones and I was always a lot broader and thicker than most actresses simply due to shoulder width and rib cage depth, which no amount of diet or exercise can ever change.Β 


True, extremely tall women are rare but outside of modelling I don't think there are that many exceptionally tall women in television. It is true though that there are a fair amount of tall woman and a fair amount of short women... if anything women of average height seem to be neglected in the media, which is odd considering that, by definition, most of the world are average.Β 

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junipal In reply to ??? [2013-05-26 01:39:51 +0000 UTC]

Well done, Loopy! This is a nice guide to follow. :3

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smile-flight In reply to junipal [2013-05-26 08:50:30 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much! ^^

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junipal In reply to smile-flight [2013-05-26 15:33:39 +0000 UTC]

You're very welcome, Loopy. :3

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inflationpriest In reply to ??? [2013-05-25 21:30:22 +0000 UTC]

well you are very wise part of what i love about you hun^^

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smile-flight In reply to inflationpriest [2013-05-25 22:14:55 +0000 UTC]

Awww!!! Thank you so much my love!!! *pounces and huggles*

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inflationpriest In reply to smile-flight [2013-05-25 22:20:29 +0000 UTC]

heeh dont have to thank me for that darling never have to *catches and huggles tight*

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smile-flight In reply to inflationpriest [2013-05-26 08:50:49 +0000 UTC]

*purrs and snuggles and kisses*

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inflationpriest In reply to smile-flight [2013-05-26 09:14:10 +0000 UTC]

*kisses you back and purs and big time do i hold and snuggles*

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Aerial-Rave In reply to ??? [2013-05-25 17:20:18 +0000 UTC]

Wonderful, I've been wanting to get the right measurements with a guide such as this!

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smile-flight In reply to Aerial-Rave [2013-05-25 20:56:26 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome, glad to find somebody thinks it is useful! ^^

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Desmondfallout In reply to ??? [2013-05-25 16:52:57 +0000 UTC]

Very nice and clear guide, should certainly prove helpful. I agree I also enjoy stories a lot better when people aren't listing off numbered measurements like some bingo game. Much more fun to let imagination do the work.

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smile-flight In reply to Desmondfallout [2013-05-25 20:57:43 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much for such a supportive comment! And exactly, a good writer should be able to say enough so that you can fill in the blanks yourself without having to be told the exact details all the time!

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The-Dude4 In reply to ??? [2013-05-25 16:10:39 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! This will be helpful

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smile-flight In reply to The-Dude4 [2013-05-25 20:57:51 +0000 UTC]

Glad you like it!

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xFIEND-CLUBx In reply to ??? [2013-05-25 13:18:39 +0000 UTC]

???

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smile-flight In reply to xFIEND-CLUBx [2013-05-25 13:25:11 +0000 UTC]

Um, not sure what you mean by that.

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