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Spaztique β Vanilla swords are useless... except against OCs?
Published: 2014-01-21 23:03:11 +0000 UTC; Views: 5132; Favourites: 42; Downloads: 18
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Beat a dead horse enough, and sometimes the horse gets back up to bite back.UPDATE 1/24/14: Seems this comic had more impact than I intended. Please note that this is Jack Diehard relaying the story and it quickly devolves into Monty Python references. Although it's meant to provoke thoughts, it is not meant to be taken seriously. The OCs used were picked at random and are not an accurate reflection of whether or not they are a Sue or Stu (but they're probably not).
UPATE 1/25/14: Me, AIYFProductions , and YangTheFeline have a response ...
Reference citations:
-Man In The Street
-So-and-so of the Ministry
-Look at the clocks behind Aya.
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Comments: 66
I think my hope in everything escaped alongside my internal laughter.
this was great. I love how ridiculous the entire situation is, and then what's her face on the computer...
yeeeaaaaaaaahhhh... that's a thing.
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Wolfy: If I face Jack,I'll not use my built-in Dominator...nah.....Katana.....he uses a European greatsword, strong,but heavy and sluggish....a katana is all about speed and efficiency.
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Maybe I should've put in it that at the time, that comic was supposed to be a test of the spellcard. I really have nothing wrong with Diehard or the vanilla sword.
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Am I the only one who hears Phoenix Wright? ("HOLD IT!")
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Wait, so if I'm reading this right, then it's basically if you beat a Stu, then you're a stu yourself?Β Does this mean that I can't fuck around with Diehard whenever I can?Β
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No no, that wasn't the point. The point is that if you want to beat a Stu, don't beat it with their own tactics, i.e. relying too much on power, never losing, etc. THAT makes you a Stu yourself.
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Spaztique you did it again. YouΒ pointed out a dead tillΒ there was no corpse or bonesΒ meme and bit it hard on those who continously used it. If I was hear earlier, I would have never done it with my OC's. Mostly since they would have ignored Jack since he's an idiot and how their much more interested in actually good fights than fights against a hopeless buffon.
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Hmmm... I think I have an inversion ideaΒ that mightΒ work. It'll have to wait for a while though.
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I always saw Jack Diehard as an example of "So Bad, It's Good"... and now he's also a Magnificent Bastard. Not intentionally, but still.
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Ye gods, this was hilarious, deconstructive AND informative at the same time! 
I got two questions though: First, was my comic regarding this with Makoto alright? Secondly, I feel like doing a comic to sorta encourage these gappies who took the wrong turn on beating this dead horse on how this should have been done. Mind if I do so?
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Am I one of the wrong?
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You know I've did do one where he Finally beaten someone with it. And slowly relive it was pointless.
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Interestingly enough, I found this just after I uploaded a pseudo-Diehard comic myself. Though I do point out that the meme is older than Yukari even in the comic, and deviate from the usual formula of "This is Jack, watch him die!"
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so, inΒ a nutshell, they become indestructible with those swords?
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I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the dark side will be complete
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no...i am glad...that this is happening. hehehehehe...we need this much chaos...
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I guess this makes Jack Diehard the magnificentest bastard of the Wagon.
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yes.
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So, a deconstruction of a deconstruction.Β I'm glad I'm not like those *other people,* who will now become the next easy target.
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A deconstruction of a deconstruction is a reconstruction.
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Or a worse deconstruction.
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Good thing I wanted to avoid this GIANT DEMONIC DEAD HORSE OF A MEME.
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remember "no X, you are the Y"?
and the "2P"s?
we like to beat horses until they're past dead and they start rotting
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OH GOD, I'M PART OF THE HETALIA FANDOM.
WE [b]SPAWNED[/b] 2Ps.
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i'm totally serious
and it was horrifying
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i wish to see this horror
can you link me a hetalida 2p thing
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www.google.com/search?q=2p+hetβ¦
I mean some authors can actually turn them into characters
But most of the (weeby) fandom is just like, "OMG STAB STAB STAB EMO EMO EMO SO EDGY"
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that was so bad it gave me cancer, killed me, then resurrected me just so i could get cancer again
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If you go too deep you'll find the recolors.
Don't go too deep.
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shit
i went too deep
pull me out
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HEEEEEELLLLLLLLLP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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preach all the way
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Agreed...wait, I hardly Walfas anymore anyway. If I did, would I have fallen into this trap...?
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I think so.
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There's also the question of timing. If you had done when it started, before degenerating, it wouldn't be a trap.Β
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True. I think the biggest problem with the whole "vanilla swords are useless" thing is not that people beat Jack Diehard, so much as the context with which to beat him easily without looking like an overpowered menace was gone. It worked out okay in the initial context of it being in Gensokyo, but when OCs started jumping in on it, it could've taken place ANYWHERE. As far as I could tell, some of the later ones just ignored spellcard rules entirely, and it could've started out as a simple sword duel, with as little information that is given. It suddenly became a power level argument more than anything.
I think some of these memes get started because they think they can make it funny just by swapping around a few things Spaztique does, only for it to fall flat because the same exact joke gets progressively less funny the more times it is told.
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Mine was more of showing that swords don't help against guns.....and that my OC acted in self defense
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Yeah, the original was made to makeΒ a point and, though I wrote 'vanilla swords are useless', I must say I regret nothing. Though if I had missed the wagon, I wouldn't have done it today.
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It's both hypocrisy and the law of diminishing returns: it's bad enough to utterly void the point the original comic was trying to make, but to do it over and over is just blasphemy.
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...ye gods. It was just as planned. It was just as planned all along!
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Perhaps if people want to exhibit their OC powers, they can do so in a fitting context with proper storyline, conflict, setting, etc.
Or they could just fall into the vanilla sword trap and get labeled as stus/sues.
Nonetheless, great job on this comic and lesson!
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Too bad that requires more effort, planning and execution than just making a comic for shiggles.
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OH NO! Looks like we have to put some EFFORT, PLANNING, and EXECUTION into our work now!
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Nailed it on the head there, Kaze.
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