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The color you added looks brilliant, nice work!
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i always enjoy seeing these two fightΒ
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Very nice. I always like to see these two fight each other to see who is stronger.
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To me, it seems like the result always come down to which kind of Superman (like pre-crisis, post-crisis, author's view on how powerful he is.).
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Also it depends on which area of DBZ were talking about, Cell saga, buu saga, super. There's a verity of elements to deciding what state both characters are in before being able to know who would win.
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Also, fair point.
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Yeah so it is debatable but me personally i am temping towards Goku being the victor.
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Yeah, with DBS going more-multiversal now, as time ticks on, Goku is more likely to beat Superman.
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Yeah agreed and to be fair we'll just say DBS is the most likely and I'll keep my opinion to rest. Because i feel before that goku could win but Let's just go at Super because he's really op at this point. But no discredit to sups, he's really strong to.
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I guess it can be argued though.
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No, I was making a hmm to end this agreement. So bye... I guess?
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Congratz on the 20,000 pageviews!!
And amazing coloring job as well.
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I'm glad you like it
Thanks twice!
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Thanks to Death Battle we can never argue about this again.Β
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I don't know, has many things that weren't considered in that video, like the Super Saiyan God, or the wrong calculations. I'm sure we'll have more videos like that in the future.
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WTF is Super Saiyen god?
And as for the wrong calculations you need to remember what they said at the very end of the video;
"We could run numbers and simulations forever, but what you need to consider is the story behind both these characters. Goku's story is the tale of a hero constantly trying to improve his skills and become stronger. Superman's story is the tale of a stranger trying to fit in on an alien world while slowly uncovering the limits of his powers, which under the limitless power of the sun is well.......LIMITLESS."
"Goku just Kaio-can't keep up with the Man of Steel."
Think about it. What happens when you pit Goku, a man with the ability to overcome any limit against Superman, a man with no limits to begin with.
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This debate will not end. Why? Because people will always see these characters either grow in strength or have fans wanking them.
And Goku may have no limits to how strong he can EVENTUALLY become but Superman does have limits. They are just very hard to reach and even then they will always stay at those same limits unless we want another boring as shit Pre-Crisis Superman who went wild with the writers. This is why I like Manga more than comics. They don't let their characters come up with whatever powers they want on the spot. Mostly. They may be some like that I never read. But the Japanese comic market follows a different culture thus follows different rules. Comics are awesome. But they get stale easily. They don't really bring us on the long adventures we get to go on with Manga.
And there are tons of debatable things in that fight.
1: Goku probably could have survived for a undefined time in the sun. If they went with the strongest version of Goku at the time, then he should have been able to grab Supes away (assuming he is a great enough warrior to realize, after sensing his energy, what Supes was doing). To support this claim, if Cooler (if they went with SS4 we can go with movie villains) survived in the sun long enough to think about his mistakes in life while being hit by his own supernova attack and Goku's Kamehameha, who is only stronger than Frieza but weaker than Namek saga SS Goku, then the strongest version of Goku would be able to almost live in the sun for days.
2: The power pole shouldn't have even been needed nor should it have had a major effect on Supes. When Superman is hit with magic it makes the fight become more like a human brawl. It doesn't so much hurt him but make things behave like if he were a human getting punched by another human. Only the strongest of magics would have that bad an affect on him. And the Power Pole is just not that magically capable.
3: Their power calculations were off simply because you cannot measure Goku's power level. And that is an understatement based on how quickly it takes Goku to rise in power level from training alone. Goku when fought Vegeta was 8,000 at minimum without Kaio-Ken increases. When he finished training for Namek he was measured at 90,000 at base without Kaio-Ken and he only trained for 5-6 days in a modified Saiyan space pod. Thus in 5-6 days he got 11 times stronger with only training in 100 times Earths normal gravity. Thus it is hard to tell how much stronger he gets when they stop measuring power levels. He could easily be as strong as Superman. Not definitively. But possibly. It is thus left up to the bias of the people making the death battles. They wanted Superman to win regardless of possibilities and so he did.
4: It took Superman 15 minutes in the sun to be able to move a planet in the comics they supposedly based their version off of. And yet he only spent a few seconds apparently in the video. So he would not have possesed the power to stop Goku after Goku absorbed the massive Spirit Bombs power and mixing it with his SS4 form.
5: There should have been no reason for Goku's SS4 form to make the clouds change like that. Thus if they were going to make Superman the winner they should have made him win outright from there. The problem is that they made up a fake ability to make Goku seem like he would never win without it despite him doing fine throughout the entire fight without using his highest transformations.
They were very biased and made a mockery of both Goku and Superman together. Superman should not have ran into some of the problems he did. And Goku should not have had to transform to SS4 if he showed no visible signs of his other transformations actually having trouble. While Superman was matching them, that does not mean they were being defeated. He just is hard to put down. Not necessarily stronger. But it is still debatable either way. So there is no definitive.Β
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I'm starting to agree with you on the fact that as both series go on Superman and Goku will continue to display new powers and making Wiz and Boomstick's interpretation of how their fight would play out obsolete. However, I did find a few things wrong with your accusations;
1. Even if Goku could survive being thrown into the sun, and I'm not saying that it's a definite since it never happened, Goku cannot survive without oxygen. And in other battles that took place in space he was close enough to the earth that he was still within it's atmosphere.
2. The power pole actually played a bigger part then u think. Think about it this way, if Superman is hit by a bullet it just bounces off of him due to his thick skin. If Superman is shot by a "magic" bullet it stands to reason that it would penetrate his hide because he has no defense against magic. Plus he only get hit twice with the power pole before disarming Goku so I don't think it had that adverse of an affect on him.
3. As to their power calculations, I can agree that they might have been a LITTLE off but probably not by much. Firstly Goku's significant rise in power during the Vegeta Saga was due to him being on a planet with highly increased gravity and mastering a fighting style that no one has ever been able to do before him. Secondly his trip to Namek did not take 5-6 days. In the anime and manga it was stated that the entire trip took 6 MONTHS. Furthermore, Goku trained under increased gravity throughout the duration of the trip. Goku and has never trained under either of those conditions since then and has just continued to train regularly as he has always done by either sparring with Gohan and Piccolo or under King Kai's watch. Thirdly the power calculations are a joke considering that Goku and the others can hide their power levels, not to mention their true power is often higher then a scouter can calculate and often causes it to blow up.
4. The time may have been off in the video, but given the chance Goku would probably let Superman spend as much time in the sun as he wanted to in order to get a more interesting challenge like he did when he let Frieza power up to 100%. The only time Goku doesn't allow his opponents to do something like that is when the lives of others are on the line.
5. Superman does not and I repeat, DOES NOT KILL PEOPLE!!! Goku asked Superman for a match, he didn't threaten to destroy him and the Earth or some shit like that, so it stands to reason that Superman went easy on him. Superman has said time and again that he is always careful how much of his power he uses on others so he only hit Goku as hard as he had to and fought him as hard as his Super Saiyen transformations dictated that he needed to.
Finally, I think your being a little hard on Wiz and Boomstick. The Goku vs Superman debate is one of the oldest and biggest debates in the entire anime and superhero community. The two of them put more time and effort into this death battle then they ever had and brought more science and mathematics into the debate then anyone ever has before. People will always claim that they did it wrong or were biased but I'll tell you this much. Wiz and Boomstick came closer to ending the Goku vs Superman debate then anyone before them ever has or probably ever will.Β
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There as you may not know, many things wrong here that you said.
Even if King Kai said that Goku couldn't breathe in space, he is not fully knowledgeable of Saiyan capabilities. For example, he two thought that Super Saiyans were myth's/legends. He only heard of them. His knowledge is based on things he's assumed about them. And in the new Dbz movie, which was written very closely by Akira Toriyama (the creator of Dragon Ball), Goku was fighting the new villain in what had to be in space. It was too far away from the atmosphere for him to breathe in any oxygen, especially when fighting a villain who could defeat his SS3 form in two light hits (a flick to the forhead and a light love tap to the neck) and even still have the upper hand against Super Saiyan GOD Goku. He couldn't have fought like that if he couldn't breath in space.
Superman just doesn't have any extra resistance to magic like he would other things. And he has enough defense without his invulnerability. Magic negates his invulnerability. So a power pole would be only be like a regular stick hitting a really big guy. Which shouldn't work because in Superman's case this is a really big guy. And I mean a REALLY big guy (big as in his defense is ginormous). Goku would be in the same boat if he had the same weakness. Pretty much anytime you see Goku getting hit with anything that isn't a mountain or a planet destroying meteor (like a small rock like the one Krillin threw in that filler) and he acts like he's hurt, he's probably just joking or it was just a shitty filler from the anime.
The fact is that no one is capable of being even close to measuring Superman's power or Goku's power. Calculations are limited in realism. They are far from realism. Their calculations are based on what was shown. Goku doesn't have to always show that he can destroy a solar system in a flash, since that would be against what he does so you won't see him trying to prove anything like that. And with Superman they make it their whole mission at DC Comics to make it seem out of this world. But Superman does the same thing. He holds back. So no ammount of calculations will matter unless they are an advanced alien race using alien calculations. And yes Goku's trip took 5-6 days. The others took 5-6 months in Kami's spaceship. Goku left pretty much as soon as Gohan, Bulma, and Krillin got there. That gave enough time for the earth Dragon Balls to restore (assuming that they don't reset even if Kami dies and returns).
Goku said himself in the video that he thinks he's going to destroy the Earth. He may be fair, but he is not stupid enough to assume that a villain will destroy the planet and let him reach even greater heights of power after what happened with him and Frieza. His pride isn't as bad as Vegeta's. He had no reason to let Supes get stronger.
Goku never asked Superman, NOT ONCE, "Are you going to destroy the planet". If you say that Goku did not assume he was a villain, then you did not watch the video. Goku in the beginning said "It's only a matter of time before he destroys the planet" and it never once got clarified for him at all. Superman never once said "I'm not a villain" and never once assumed that Goku thought that. And regardless of whether or not Superman kills or not, you can't use that as a viable argument. Because if Goku was punching the shit out of him like he was in the video, then Supes would have stopped holding back and went all out. Supes was obviously having trouble with Goku the whole time. He wasn't holding back at all. He was going all out and had to win by absorbing sunlight (even though he only spent a few seconds in there).Β
Superman at best without his sunlight overdoses is about as strong as a meteor crashing into earth in terms of striking force (If I'm correct in assuming that a meteor is an incredibly powerful thing in terms of striking force). His lifting abilities are not the same as his ability to strike. This is true for all humans as well. Meaning that a human who can lift 300 pounds can lift it. But he cannot strike 300 pounds and break it. You can't expect a man who lifts 300 pounds of weights to punch the same weights and expect it to break. Superman has the same striking force as a meteor without absorbing larger amounts of sunlight. So it will send someone flying really far if they don't weigh as much as a city. Meaning he can only planet bust with his punches when he absorbs the right amount of sunlight. Thus Superman is not definitively able to punch Goku the way many think that he can. That is why Goku would still have a large chance of winning. Because Goku probably has great defense. Enough to withstand punches from Supes when they aren't being augmented by 15 minutes of sunlight. And if we go by the last version of Goku, then there is a chance that he wouldn't even need to go Super Saiyan 2 even. Goku when he was in his Namek saga form was able to withstand blasts from Frieza who is a well known planet buster. Also when unless Goku infuses his Ki into his punches then he won't have the striking force he would without. And I assume that he does that for every fight.Β
Regardless of how they did their calculations, it was asinine for them to assume that the war was over and that they had ended it. The war will not end and no one will ever come close so long as fans still choose a side. And there will always be fans who choose Goku over Superman and vice versa. And like I said, their calculations cannot decide either's power level or come close due to the fact that they are human calculations grounded in realism. This is fiction we are arguing over.
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See Battle of Gods and you'll discover what is the SS God
I don't think is REALLY without limits, it's only a exaggeration, understandable but not acceptable, because this is a fight supposedly impartial. But in fact this does not matter much, I doubt that the debate about this confrontation ends soon.
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I'm beginning to agree with you on the Superman vs Goku debate. People have been arguing about it ever since Goku first went Super Saiyen.
I WILL say however that the team at Death Battle spent and enormous amount of time and effort into their calculations and equations. As far as I can tell, Wiz and Boomstick probably came up with the best way to test Goku and Superman's strengths and limitations that have been seen to date. People spend months on forums arguing over which of them would win in a fight, but Wiz and Boomstick were the first people that I have ever seen to actually add some science and mathematics to the debate. If the show "Deadliest Warrior" has taught me anything its that fanboys will argue against the experts no matter how much science and mathematics they put into their studies.Β
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I've seen similar calculations to those seen in screwattacks claculations on many forums. It's easy enough to find similar calculations. The problems are that they never can fully calculate them. All power levels and calculations when being used to measure Superman and Goku are bullshit.
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Goku should beat that solar-powered nuisance once and for all.
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I theorize that the Life energy, or "Ki", that Goku uses would effectively counteract the dead, or electromagnetic invulnerability aura, that Superman has.
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The outcome of the fight depends on which version of Superman is taken.
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WOW! AWESOME! Much better! I'mΒ so jealous! *cries*
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I who should be jealous, you draw very well, so the colored version is great
And thanks for the fav
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