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People often get the sense of being ignored in the art-scene, especially here online. We all try so hard to get our foot in the door, it's like trying to stuff yourself in an overfull bus like a sardine in a can.
Sometimes you just want to socialize with other artists you admire and you seem to be talking into a brick wall or perhaps you've send your portfolio to a company over a dozen times and still don't even seem to get the smallest response or feedback. I will try and tell you WHY you get ignored and HOW you can get noticed instead.

I will go through the following cases of being ignored:
Your comment.
Your art.
Your Portfolio.


Do know, that even though being ignored feels very personal it's hardly ever personal at all! 



Your comment(s) gets ignored.It happens ever so often. You notice an artwork or a discussion and you weigh in with your opinion or admiration, perhaps even some feedback? There is a whole list of reasons why you can get ignored in such cases. 
- Is your comment simply reconfirming what someone else already said? Either just post: I agree with "name" or don't comment at all, unless you got something new to add.
- Is your comment shorter than 4 words? When someone gets dozens of comments, they often have to pick which ones to reply to and which ones not to. The most insightful ones will be the ones that get a reply.
- Is you comment a whole essay? Everyone appreciated nice long comments... perhaps up to 10 sentences. Beyond that is usually TMTR (To much to read). So keep it within boundaries.
- In case of feedback, are you giving reasons and suggestions on improvement, or just simply naming the mistakes? Feedback only works when you're nice about it and are able to explain why and how they can do better.

Here is some tips for approaching artists you admire with a comment or note in a way that will make them reply:
Don't idolize them to much. This will make them uncomfortable. It also seems like you put yourself below them in some way. We're all equals.. and we like to communicate as such.
When you ask them questions you are basically asking them to spend some time for you to help you out. So in that case make sure you have given them something beforehand that gets you in their good graces. You're more likely to get help or answers when they feel like you're not just person nr 100 who wants something from them. 
While it's perfectly fine for you to approach them as equals. They are not you best pal's (yet) so try and be normal and be careful with friendly jokes. 
Don't talk smack about other artists as a way of befriending someone. Not everybody likes each other out there, but these are no opening topics. Basically don't ever talk smack.

How to compliment an artist so that you totally rock!
Every nice comment is appreciated such as: Nice work, Great lighting, Awesome colors etc.
The only reply (if you even get one) would be: thank you!
A comment that rocks is build out if 3 parts.
Part 1: The main praise: Nice work, Awesome work, great work etc.
Part 2: The explanation: Your anatomy skills are outstanding, your lighting is done incredible, your storytelling is really compelling etc.
Part 3: The question! (this will make you get a reply) How did you train to get this good? How do you approach setting up the lighting in your work? Do you make thumbnails before getting to such an image? etc

So a good example would be:
"Amazing creature design! I thought these were totally adorable in the movie, their personality is so cute and devious at the same time. Did you do a lot of different variation sketches before getting to this one? I would love to see it if you're allowed to show."



Your art gets ignored.There is such a vast amount of artwork online it's like little shells on a beach. When you see them all laying there, even though they're all different and unique, you can't seem to linger on any one of them, until you see that bigger one with he rare shape. This basically means your work need to be different from others so that you stand out more. different how?
- Different topic.
- Different technique or medium.
- Different style.
- Or simply outstanding skill.
If you art gets ignored it doesn't mean it's bad art it simply means it's not rare enough. Making something that's truly admirable is hard. People that make admirable artwork more than once or twice get lucky and usually stay quite popular even if other work they post is of less significance, they already conquered the eye of the beholder. 

So when you post your artwork you do this with certain expectations. Will people like it? (In my opinion you should always make your personal artwork so that you personally like it, if other people do as well it's only a bonus) By asking yourself these questions you can discover if perhaps there are ways to improve your work so that maybe other people can appreciate it as you do

Is it pleasing for the eye? Colors that don't work well together or the wrong use of values can really throw people off. As well as unclear compositions or a wobbly technique. (This takes a lot of practice to don't be to hard on yourself if you cannot manage that yet).
Is it something that's not seen this way before? Let say you painted a viking warrior. there are plenty of versions out there where they are posing with an ax or sword, or screaming while going berserk. Usually incredibly muscular and wearing a helmet with horns. This is pretty cliche and on get's noticed when done with outstanding skills or done by an already popular artist.
Give him a different outfit design, perhaps he's not that crazy muscular. Set him in a different scene, maybe he's resting while polishing a spear-tip while enemies lurk from a distance.
- Alter the design.
- alter the situation/storytelling.
This would be ace! 
Paint-styles is like fashion. Every season has it's own popular style/technique and this shifts now and then. So either totally own this technique while it's still popular or deviate from it by doing something unique and different. Now that is pretty hard
Well done fan art. this always wins Basta! (And this one from Diablo 3 rocks in particular! The storytelling is really cool and I love seeing these heroes in a "after combat" situation)





Your portfolio get's ignored.Now this is one of the most annoying of all, especially if you rely on income through your art.
The same things apply here as they did with the reasons why your art get's ignored. But there is more.
Is your portfolio showing to many different skills? (graphic design, concept art, illustration, 3D modeling, black belt karate and great swimmer etc. Simply adjust your portfolio depending on the client you send it too.
Is your portfolio actually showing that you can bring something new to the table? If you have a concept art portfolio and you only show cliche things that look awesome but are not innovative companies are not likely going to hire you. concept art is not only about skill but mostly about ideas. Astonish them with your broad sense of imagination. 
Always start with showing your best image. No text no nothing, just your best image. (Your CV should contain all the text. Portfolio should just be a few of your best images)

In fact here is a whole journal about making a good portfolio:
  Where to get started before you can apply for workThere is no such thing as suddenly knowing when you are ready to turn yourpassion into your profession. But there is a way of measuring your chances on beingable to get work and eventually sustain a living from it. Accepting commissions or freelance for low payment won't help you. You can think any penny counts, but it will lower the worth of your work and damage the market. :bulletblue: How to measure that you are ready? You probably have high goals, but they are usually not your first step. You must search out the clients who can be that first step. Often found in the card game industry, book cover illustrations and smaller game co...


In the end, some people simply ignore you because of the lack of time or will to reply. This is yet again not something against you. Others simply don't see a reason why they would even have to reply (these are usually the people that don't really read the comments either but perhaps scroll through them a bit) they are not mean or evil, they simply have other priorities. (Like maybe making more art!)



Let me know if you have any questions or remarks. (Feel free to send me a Note about my grammar or English and I will gladly edit my mistakes.) 


All my other journals:
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The emotional shield that prevents hurt.Being an artist = Being sensitive. We all know it. Making something and then showing it out there makes you very vulnerable, emotionally. What if people think it's shit? What if they think it's weird... what will they think? Will that reflect on how they think of me as a person?I know what some of you are thinking right now... 'You should care less about what people think of you or you art.' In a sense you are right.. than again, you SHOULD care what people think of you and your art! They are your market and potential clients. It's easier when you're already doing your dream job and couldn't care less for other potential directions... but ... Being a miserable artist = being a bad artist.I recently felt it being one of the most important things, not just for an artist; being happy with what you do. No one wants to get up every morning thinking.. shit .. another work day. 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Just having a goal but no understanding of how to get there, means you have no way to motivate yourself and your goal will be hard to reach. Therefore motivation is needed desperately in order to become truly good at something.The motivation to eat is the feeling for hunger and the end goal of ending the hunger and feeling healthy and energized. This type of motivation is a feeling. Which brings me to: Intrinsic motivation and Extrinsic motivation.Shortly explained: ... How fear motivates my art.:bulletred: When I first saw Jurassic Park in 1993 I was four years old. The animatronics they build had me convinced real and the cinematography was amazing. All from the toilet scene to the dismembered arm to the kitchen scare had me high on adrenaline. This was the first time I had felt scared enough to pee my pants but I loved it! The fact that these dinosaurs were scaring me was the same reason why I was so fascinated by them. The oldest toys I can remember were tiny plastic dinosaurs and my bed sheets had a lovely 'Land before time.' print on it. Every day of my childhood life was dedicated to dinosaurs (and perhaps a bit of Indiana... Tenacity is your ultimate super power!100 no's and 1 yes means YES! :P Applying for jobs in the art/commercial industry is not hard you simply need to know what to do and how to do it. (Concept artist, Illustrator, 3D artist, UI designer, Mattepainter, SFX artist, Lightingartist, Designer.) Often when I have a back and forth with artists 'trying to break through' I ask them where they applied and with what. A common respond usually indicates they send out their personal portfolio to 1-5 places at the most. This is exactly what I did as well when I tried the first time. Let me paint you a hypothetical situation: You worked hard and long on your artwork and it somewhat reached ... Achieving your dreams. Before during and after.It’s been on my mind for 5 years now, started as a whisper in the back of my brain, hardly believing that I am capable of achieving it. Than slowly it developed into a goal, something that I might be able to achieve after all … perhaps. I want to illustrate for my favorite realm in the world: Magic the Gathering. Phew, feels heavy saying it. The notion warms my chest and raises my heartbeat ever so slightly feeling the rush of adrenaline coursing through my veins. I’ve witnessed my boyfriend and some friends do work for them for 2 years now while I was too burned out from Studio work (concept art for computer games.) and honestly, to...

Thanks for all the comments! I will do my best to reply to most of them, even if it sometimes takes a while, reading these always cheers me up a lot! 

Wanna ask me direct questions? Come hang with me on Twitch sometime where I paint and give feedback
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Disclaimer: The artwork posted in my journals are not made by me but artists I admire. This is my way of sharing their incredibly work with the rest of you. All these journals are based on my personal experience and that of artist friends. English is my second language and I have dyslexia so do note I am prone to make mistakes. I write these journals to remind myself of the things I've learned.

Thank you!



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joemathesius [2019-08-27 23:59:08 +0000 UTC]

Well from my point of view in my opinion it doesn't really matter rather you get a reply back or not and also it doesn't matter about idolizing people too much I mean for me its just straight forward like for instance if I was to comment my favorite artist on Deviant Art on the Art picture that I like and don't get a reply back it doesn't bother me I mean if they reply back then they reply back If they don't reply back then that's fine I mean sometimes we all have our own standard on each other around the world that we all have to get use to rather we all know each other or not and believe me everybody is there own human bean we are all at our own paste at Art 

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Tyrannuss555 [2019-07-23 17:16:41 +0000 UTC]

So there’s no hope?

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Chiquiyo [2019-06-28 06:43:05 +0000 UTC]

It's not a style, is only trying to draw realistic. Every cartoon character every anime character, every fan artists wants to draw it realistic the cartoon characters and the anime character, OC,CHARACTER. every one is drawing the same, is sad that every artist forgets there art style and only to get better drawing realistic,
Or computer graphics, but computer graphics is still want to be realistic. In that case take pictures of real people places, that's the maximum level you can get.
the real style comes from your pencil and paper. And no looking some other people art only you and your pencil and paper in your Table. No computer to help you fix your problems. Let's say you draw anime character OC, or Offical,  on paper and you scan it and traced it on your computer, but in  the end you made it different from the paper,  you went with realistic, like the Examples, and what happen to your style. It's not there anymore. That digital drawing it's like the other guys drawing. On Deviantart same details same look same everything. Artists are forgetting what is art. And Fan's. 

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Djelectriczone [2019-05-28 03:31:09 +0000 UTC]

It's been really hard to cope all this time you think, "What to draw?' "What to create" "Will anyone, expect me will like this?". And it's always like this I'ms self-taught artist I don't have a big budget to go to Colledge or University connected with Arts, Crafts, etc. I have a feeling that no matter how much I try it never just works maybe it's just my style but you know I want to keep it and not to be like the others. I let the people accustom to my art-style like for 6 years here, and since my childhood, I love to draw but some people don't understand that with their ignorance they destroy bits of us, my art is strange and mixed mainly monsters I mean look 
         

I mean yeah I'm doing my best to improve myself better but sometimes when I do gifts for some of my favorite artists I receive not EVEN A THANK YOU, I don't care will the person reblog it or no, a simple THANK YOU is enough for the artist to be acknowledged , that the one they look up to say that you spend maybe the whole day working on that art and received a simple "Oh you must have spent whole day on it.' And that's all, I've seen many answers on my fan-art normal, kind ones and rude ones. I think that if you're a fmous artist that shall not cloud your vision and judgment you know all of the artists were NOT GOOD ENOUGH in the beginning but just a simple jest of kindness is it so hard?!

IDK I still draw but there's burnout on its way to me, and that is the worst possible thing ever!
I see that people in this comment are kind and supportive and that sparks just for a little-bit hope inside my soul!

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sakura2water [2019-04-10 14:29:34 +0000 UTC]

I feel I still get ignored no matter what I try. My DeviantArt is just left with kindda random old pictures because I took a lot of stuff down and moved.

I don't seem to get noticed on anything. When I post something it may get a few views and then above or below me will be someone who can't draw anywhere near my level getting loads of comments and likes and views.

Being on here I do want to post my new drawing but at the same time I feel its just pointless. I've tried doing commisions and only ever got one person.

Its clearly not due to my art not standing out, due to my new image being candy gore.

Sadly I think that if you lack money then you can't buy the promotion needed and sadder still is that some of us don't get commisions to make money.

Or maybe people just want to help the "little guy" and so pass over people they think must have lots of followers and fail to realise that that is how everyone else is thinking. Leaving some of us high and dry.

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AnnieL-MP In reply to sakura2water [2019-08-23 23:32:46 +0000 UTC]

sakura2water, I can really relate and I know where you're coming from. I mean some of it is my fault, because I don't post or create much that I'm willing to share very often. Honestly, sometimes I think it's a hit or miss thing. Your work either gets noticed or it doesn't. It's no one's fault, we just didn't make it among the millions of others out there. Kind of like a raffle ticket I guess. It can be random and dependent on luck. There are SO MANY people making great and unique things these days, we just kind of get lost in the pile. Uniqueness isn't as unique as it once was (or was it ever, truly?). There's over 7 Billion people in the world, and we're only one. It's hard. Possible, but hard. So like I said, it's no one's fault, we just got missed. And it ain't just with art, it can be other types of works too, such as writing. Same basic principle. In a nutshell, that's the human brain for ya, if you think about it.

Sorry to be pessimistic, but those are just my thoughts. I wasn't trying to make this about me, but I was just letting you know you're not alone. Maybe one day us "missed" people will at last be noticed when we're not expecting it. Like Van Gough, I guess. Started off never being taken seriously and was considered a mad man. Later on, however, his art became legend and was always spoken about in pride and admiration. My hope is just that we don't have to die or have something bad happen to us before our work gets noticed. >.< (Please, for the love of God, don't do what Van Gough did in the end!) He also had someone to help that success along too. (Which brings me to teamwork and it manipulating our odds of success, but I'm not going to get into that just yet. My reply is already too long. xD).

But, the best we can do is maintain persistence, yeah? I'm not saying there's no chance, we just keep trying so long as we love it. (And so long as it doesn't harm others lol) And hope for the best. Who knows? *hopeful smile*

I guess your comment got my attention because of a combination of the fact I can relate, and I have a lot of compassion for people in this situation, even if I don't always show it. lol
I'm among the elusive.

(Btw, visited your page, you're doing WAY better than I am. xD Though you also post way more than I do. lol)

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sakura2water In reply to AnnieL-MP [2019-08-25 20:07:25 +0000 UTC]

At first glance.. yes I am doing better but look again. My account 11 years old.

As for Van Gough.. not sure if you are boosting me or hinting you are willing to stab me

At the moment I am just posting on my Instagram. My NSFW goes on Pixiv. BUT I am just drawing

in my sketckbook currently. Just having fun with drawing again.

I have been making a horror character. I love him so much. He has taken up 3 pages now.

I've also drawn a shipwrecked girl :3 I have been having fun with my sketchbook

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AnnieL-MP In reply to sakura2water [2019-08-26 23:54:05 +0000 UTC]

That's not necessarily a bad thing. My account will likely have less in that time frame if I don't get off my lazy ass lol.
Uhh, no? xD I was only comparing our trials and tribulations to Van Gogh's (I spelled his surname wrong before, I think). It definitely wasn't a means of attack, quite the opposite actually. I have a weird way of speaking, I guess. xD

Aww Honestly I wish I could draw better with pencil and paper, I've mainly just taken to pure digital drawings. I've made several pics that I haven't uploaded. xD I'm wanting to draw more on some Attack on Titan OCs I have.

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sakura2water In reply to AnnieL-MP [2019-08-28 07:52:15 +0000 UTC]

Then draw them :3 the whole point is to have fun, otherwise nothing will turn out as good or be dull to you.

There is just something about drawing with pencil on paper thats so much more satisfying.

I'm waiting on a delivery today of some water colours and Posca pens. I can't wait

None can really be used for Inktober but who cares... or are Posca pens ink.. I will look this up XD

OMG their ink.. WOO INKTOBER. I swear I will bother sticking to this 'draw once a day' challenge...

will make a change. My first Inktober though.

Van Gosh.. all I know is its a Dutch name that I have no way in pronouncing correctly.

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Pedrew0 [2019-04-03 00:28:36 +0000 UTC]

My fetish art is very cartoony and simple but it's also very different and original to make up for it. I have a crazy imagination that lifts my profile up.

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shastasnow [2019-03-12 04:26:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for bringing this up...

I agree that it takes a particular dedication to get views and boy I don't have that. Would not waste my time on here now that I am an adult. I post things on occasion and depending on the day I will get more views than other days. Whatever.


Yeah, I get more viewership on my Instagram so I know it is not our fault. >.> It is Deviant art and the cringy community. People just like things like crazy to get viewers and they rarely actually look at the work. Some just like collecting points rather than display artwork they liked too. Their favorites are hidden. If it is visible it is common that your work is buried in the pile never to be seen again by them. The scrolling system makes it so your work is easily forgettable or buried as people with core membership get higher priority. This is not a professional site and it is for fandoms, fetishes (yes talking to you Sonic fans >.<). On another point, on Youtube people comment repetitive and they don't get neglected.


I rather have true followers and friends than to be famous for a few months or even a year. Also, I have done test prints of my work through Deviant Art to see if I could sell things and man it is a hit or miss as far as quality prints. There are better companies to do that with. I make more money doing it myself and interacting with flesh and blood people. It is strange that I get more reads on my writing than my art and haha I am a terrible writer.

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Nilash [2019-03-12 03:16:02 +0000 UTC]

I'll disagree on the section about about the reasons art being ignored. It's simple, really. The majority of people in here don't even understand how to see something artistically, but they just judge depending on how cute or how much "showy" it is. Also your art will be ignored if it's not anime/manga/chibi or mythic creatures, since a huge percentage of deviants are kids, or people who failed to grow up.

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MercurryBell In reply to Nilash [2019-07-05 14:48:22 +0000 UTC]

It's also extremely rude to assume that people who like anime or cartoons are either kids or failed to grow up. That was an insult rooted in bitterness.

I agree to some extent with the original point but that portion was uncalled for and gave bitter vibes. Ironically, it was also very childish.

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MercurryBell In reply to Nilash [2019-03-25 16:47:57 +0000 UTC]

You really just sound like a very bitter person tbh.

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stars-water In reply to MercurryBell [2019-07-02 19:06:06 +0000 UTC]

Frankly I think there's some truth in it though. Some artists gets noticed for originality, sure, but most artists who get known for their artwork honestly just do things that look nice on the surface, not things that actually have any substance. I can think of a few exceptions, but most of the actually creative people do get left out because their art doesn't look pretty or perfect enough for the masses. Just looks at books and movies - all Disney ever does is carbon copies of the same story over and over again, as I understand Marvel and DC can be bad about it too. And famous books? We've got Twilight and the book created by a fan of the aforementioned: Shades of Grey, both of which were very poorly written, quite rudimentary but famous anyway. If you think the same doesn't apply to art then you're kidding yourself.

Even if it is bitter, there's plenty enough reason to be. Artwork is an extension of ourselves, when real story and expression gets bulled over in favor of fake tits and duck faces it doesn't exactly feel great. After 15-20 years of that you get a little bitter. Not everyone is geared to being all sunshine and rainbows all the time when they're actually trying to build something, and it's extremely rude to simply devalue the way someone feels because of it.

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MercurryBell In reply to stars-water [2021-02-04 15:04:35 +0000 UTC]

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stevemacqwark [2019-03-11 00:07:02 +0000 UTC]

I thought I plan out putting up at least one or two high quality drawings up per month and base them on the most recognizable pop culture figures, than just specific obscure things I like, and used all those hashtags and them into at least one subgroup, it would work out. I even try to make stuff based on a then-current discourse but very few seem to care.


Have I just got better in my art but bad at everything else?

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HimitsuUK [2019-03-10 10:57:40 +0000 UTC]

Never give up and keep going.

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Ibatronic [2019-02-20 06:13:12 +0000 UTC]

Sometimes, I feel annoyed that no one cares about my work. My original work. Like, on DeviantArt, I recall fan-art and fan-artists get tons of favorites on their work. While the highest I've ever gotten was 11. I've put hours, days, and sometimes weeks into these and no one cares. And it's mostly criticism that doesn't even make sense. For example, on one occasion, when I posted one of my deviations on reddit, it was called "furfag" and "cringey" (I hate the word "cringe"). I just want to tell them how hard it is to make the art, but showing people who aren't interested in the hobby will just make them annoyed about it. Everyone is expecting a @$%^ anime master from every artist and I just don't get it. Most of the time people will make annoying re-colours to get the respect and attention they want, but they do get both of those things in the end. Mostly, how it goes is: A person will make a rather undeveloped character. Then, they will take someone else's artwork and color in their character. Then they will claim it as their own. Then, they will get hate and attention. The person will 'cry' over it and say that they are going to leave that site. People will feel bad for that person, make the person fan art, sub to them or whatever, and the person will be filthy-famous and have tons of friends in the end, even though they didn't do @$%^. Or they just stoop so low just to get-rich-quick. Argh! I just don't get it any more! I try to hard making quality animation, art, videos, but no one cares what so ever!

I'm sorry if this all sounded whiny and rant-filled, it's just something I wanted to get off my chest.


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Dovelynx In reply to Ibatronic [2019-02-25 10:06:43 +0000 UTC]

Hey! I actually think your art is really neat! I really love your art style! Keep going! Don’t stop because I bet one day you’ll be great! Heck, you’re good now!   -Dove

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Ibatronic In reply to Dovelynx [2019-02-27 04:26:07 +0000 UTC]

You know what... Thank you, Dovelynx! Lately, I've have had so many doubts in the things I've made, especially since I don't have alot of people to share them with, and I'll admit your comment and feedback did lift my spirits just a bit. In the meantime, I've been taking time off doing art, but I guess now I know what comment to see when I'm feeling low. Though I hope one day to see some change...  

But once again, thank you! 

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Dovelynx In reply to Ibatronic [2019-02-27 08:39:11 +0000 UTC]

It’s no problem at all!! It’s also okay to take breaks from art every now and then! I know I do! You have skill, so never give up on it. Take a break every now and then, but do not give it up completely.. Best of wishes to you! 

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Blastmasterism324 [2019-02-04 08:26:25 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for posting this. Art is one of my biggest passions, but sometimes it just gets disheartening when I make it and don't get many comments or likes; it feels like you're being ignored, like you're just another unnoticeable face in an ocean of them. Reading this makes me feel considerably better about being a member of this site. 

But even if my stuff doesn't get likes or favorites or comments... think of it this way, I had fun making it. That's what counts, I guess. 

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TMSequel [2018-12-15 00:19:20 +0000 UTC]

So here's my question, does my stuff look unique enough or not unique at all? Because of most of the popular artist that follow me back on Twitter say they love the nostalgic look to my stuff and say "Oh I'm okay with being your friend (sorry off topic)" but still. I try to ignore the whole followers crap because of how it makes people egocentric but I wanna know this, do people like my art because it's unique or is it because it looks different from the usual fan art you give to these people?

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Lolinondoda In reply to TMSequel [2018-12-16 14:33:05 +0000 UTC]

I don't know, I think the whole toony style is pretty normal. I prefer the artwork without lineart in your style, it looks cool, but maybe the cartoon characters is not for everyone.

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Svinstvo [2018-11-26 14:50:11 +0000 UTC]

Ok and what should I do when my art does not even appear anywhere after submiting and when I write exact title in searchbar it’s not among the results. The page is making me literally invisible. When I click on a tag that is added on that picture it does not show the picture at all and I can continue like this. And then someone draws an obese furry character wearing a bondage suit being eaten by a snake that looks like toddler doodling and it has thousands of views. Like wtf. 

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Leonitus In reply to Svinstvo [2019-03-16 01:31:55 +0000 UTC]

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Lolinondoda In reply to Svinstvo [2018-12-16 14:36:45 +0000 UTC]

Can relate to the last part. Can I just say that the popular page shouldn't be the homepage of deviantart.

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Suzanne-Helmigh In reply to Svinstvo [2018-11-29 09:06:18 +0000 UTC]

Mh that's weird indeed, it's likely connected to the algorithms that Deviantart works with. 
As in regards to the image you describe, obscene stuff will ALWAYS get attention, because well... it's obscene. 

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Romalt [2018-11-12 20:29:53 +0000 UTC]

Very interesting article; I usually comment more than post new art. But of lately, I have been running out ideas what to say instead of the usual beautiful, great and awesome etc; I am particularly careful with giving negative feedback - most people have a fragile ego (including me). But sometimes being honest without being naïve is the best policy.

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KnepsoReturns [2018-11-07 22:14:05 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. I find it harder to draw stuff than to sketch on pencil and trace or use svg.

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give-me-the-formuoli [2018-10-30 21:50:16 +0000 UTC]

hrmm, yeah. i don't get that many comments or favourites on my art despite having 70+ watchers. i feel like people watched me and then unchecked the "art" part on the watch panel.
i think a good mindset to have is to not expect any comments/faves, then you're pleasantly surprised when you get one. i try to feel that way at least

i feel like i should be more active and comment on other peoples art more... so i'm going to start doing that. i just get so nervous that i'll seem like a creep if i comment on peoples art too many times though :/

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Lolinondoda In reply to give-me-the-formuoli [2018-12-16 14:39:10 +0000 UTC]

As long as you don't say the same things all the time, I think it's fine. I got a bunch of comments from a guy once, he'd say the same thing each time: "you're amazing, your art is amazing! You're a good friend!" He'd say that to everyone. I blocked him eventually xd

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give-me-the-formuoli In reply to Lolinondoda [2018-12-16 17:00:57 +0000 UTC]

Ye i think that's fair enough. getting a generic comment from the same person over and over again must get annoying.
personally, i only comment on art i enjoy and try to talk about specific things i like about it. i will admit though i am guilty of just commenting "wow this is so cute!" or "i love your art!" sometimes.. 

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Lolinondoda In reply to give-me-the-formuoli [2018-12-16 19:55:21 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, me too, I don't mind comments like that though.

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