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Published: 2009-01-22 11:23:18 +0000 UTC; Views: 5043; Favourites: 112; Downloads: 8
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thirty-six years ago today...the case of roe v. wade changed america forever, ruling
the genocide of innocent preborn children as a
constitutional act.
since that day, over 50 million tiny, voiceless children
have been slaughtered in its name.
thirty-six years ago.
how is this still going on?
there is no pro-choice.
the baby has no choice in his or her death; why should
the mother? after all, aren't we all created equal?
and if a choice truly must be made, it should be made
before the point of conception. not after.
give them a voice.
overturn roe v. wade.
it's a child, not a choice.
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that i agree to, no promoting abortion.
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Wonderful!I'm so glad someone is stepping out for them! ^^
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Thanks, and thanks for the faves!
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My comment was deleted. Hmm.
I was trying to hold a serious, albeit a tad heated debate with you, but I guess you resorted to the usual "If I can't see it it doesn't exist" tactic.
Sheesh.
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I didn't delete anything, I swear... O_o
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I'm not gonna comment on the abortion thing 'cause I don't know, but misusing a literary quote tends to grate.
Sure, it doesn't say "A person's a person, no matter what color?", but then again, that's because they used size as a metaphor for race. Using such a phrase just ruins said metaphor.
Moreover, it's not like there was abortion awareness in those days, so I don't think the book was talking about that. It would've probably caused some discussions that would've ended up in schoolbooks and whatnot otherwise.
While it is fair that you might feel that it talks about abortion, it's also true that the writer most probably didn't intend such a message (intending another one instead) and people take it such a way. It kinda hurts their relationship with the book, y'see...
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Oh, and just wondering, since it's a semi-related issue: What about Euthanasia (Blame the news).
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Hmm. I really ought to stop checking your dA to pick fights.
But an alternative. Debate
Simple question, yes or no: do you think abortion should be illegal?.
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I have made my opinion very, very clear on that matter, so I don't really know why you're asking.
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Yes or no?
Please tell me you can answer that.
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I can answer that and I have many, many times. Yes. You know that full well. What's your point?
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Okay, you think it should be illegal. I'll hold you to that.
What should /happen/ to women who have said illegal abortions?
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Proof. Ryn says you say you're not deleting them. I wonder how many languages you can say "bullshit" in?
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Well, link fail. oh well. I'm sure you're smart enough to fix them yourself
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I did not delete ANY of them (nor did I get a message about this comment, so late reply).
You CAN'T delete comments on dA, you can only hide them. And if you hide them, it comes up and says "Comment hidden by owner."
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They should be treated as murders are treated, as should the person who performed the abortion if it's someone other than themselves (after all, the woman would technically be hiring a hitman in that case). It is murder, therefore it should have the same consequences. Why?
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Ah, so, you are deleting them. Either that or my internet's not working. But I hardly believe the latter.
You must admit, I bring up a nice, fair alternative. Why not let others see it?
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What? I'm not deleting anything... O_o
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Fuck me with a chainsaw. DeviantArt's screwing up worse than Sean Hannity.
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No thanks.
And I'd say it's screwing up worse than Obama, but you know. ;D
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No, I don't. What? What's keeping you from insulting him?
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The fact that this deviation is about abortion, not Obama. And if you get me started on Obama's pro-abortion views, I'll go on and on for hours and never finish this English essay I still need to do. ;D
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You seriously didn't delete my comment, did you?
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...no, I honestly didn't.
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Finally, back at home with a decent internet connection...
SO. You think a woman who has just had an abortion should be /arrest/ and /charged for murder/ for having one. Hrm. Coming from a fellow anti-abortion person, even /I/ think that's a bit hash. Seriously. A woman just had to make one of the hardest decisions in her life (SURPRISE! Abortions aren't mindless murders), and what do you do? Throw her in jail.... Wow. That's 7 levels of wrong.
How about this: don't punish the woman. Punish the doctor, the one that did the so-called murder. In my rather opinionated opinion, that's more reasonable.
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The woman was still an accomplice to the murder if she didn't perform it herself. Although that actually does sound like a decent idea. But the woman still made the decision and should have some punishment.
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Um...don't shoot me please but I just stopped by and read the comments and all I have to say is:
....holy shit why the HELL should they be thrown in jail??? Yes, yes, I'm Pro-Choice, mainly for health, though, but still. STILL.
If it becomes illegal, wouldn't being fined and taking away the doctor's license or something be a little less...extreme and a bit more reasonable???
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And I wouldn't shoot you - I'm pro-life, remember? XDDDD
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Nope, because it's murder. People aren't just fined for murder. The woman/doctor would obviously have a right to trial to determine the exact punishment, but that's just how it is. If you take someone's life, you shouldn't just get by with a slap on the wrist...
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Yes but...most people wouldn't consider it murder. Right now I don't mean for social purposes If the abortion was for that then yes it should be more severe (I'm Pro-Choice when it comes to health, that's what I meant earlier), but not life in prison or anything. But let me ask you this (I'm sure you've gotten this before, but) I've asked this to a couple of my friends before and it's partially based on a true story:
Say....one of your bestest friends in the whole wide world is pregnant. They are happy, you are happy, life is good, all that stuff.
However, during a doctor's visit, after running various tests, the doctor comes back and says "WELLLLL if you have this baby, it will be pretty much comatose for its whole life. I'll be hooked to machines, will never be able to breathe on its own, will never be able to experience life," so on. The baby will be able to live, but it'll be a human vegetable, basically. Let's say that person is devastated, but gets an abortion. Would you consider your friend disgusting? A murderer?
I'm sorry if any of this is...well...I don't know, relays back to your point on anything you've said before (I'm beyond really tired and I'm kind of out of sorts right now), but I'm curious.
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I didn't say life in prison. Every woman's circumstances should be considered in court, and then a sentence should be considered.
That's a really extreme and difficult decision, but I think that, yes, I would see her as a murderer. I'd try not to hold it against her or judge her, I'd try to be considerate and understanding of the difficult circumstances, but I really don't think I could just ignore the fact that she allowed her child to be killed. I just feel that strongly about it. The baby's still alive, and that's a really, really hard circumstance, but life is life. To get an abortion would be like holding a disability or disease against the child and getting an abortion because of that. And that's just wrong.
*shrugs*
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That sounds like what you mean, though.
...well okay then. I know it would kill me if I had a child that would never ever be able to leave the hospital. But it's not an easy decision to make. This happened to one of my friend's who was supposed to have an older sibling and well...that didn't happen.
That and in the cases of rape. YES YES I know that you don't consider it "valid"...but I would be EXTREMELY unhappy if say, a close relative raped me. I know it makes up only a fraction of the cases, but it still happens. I would hate it knowing that my kid is my father's, uncle's, teacher's a complete stranger's or something. I'm sorry if that sounds wrong in any way.
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It would kill me if that happened to me, too, but... yeah. Life is life, and it shouldn't be taken by anyone but God.
And in that case, the baby could be put up for adoption. There would be someone who would love and care for that baby, even if it was conceived from incest/rape. It might heal the pain of what happened just knowing that you didn't harm another being like that person hurt you, and knowing that that child is going to a loving home.
And you don't have to apologize for your opinion, I can kind of understand where you're coming from.
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But in a way...that's...horrible. For a lack of a better statement.
Well let me ask you this too:
So you said before that you would die along with the baby if you became pregnant and the doctor said that you would die if you had your baby, right? Assuming technology still can't save both you and your baby.
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It's a difficult situation like I said, and even I don't feel all that good about it. But that's just what I think. If God intended for the baby to be born, it should be.
And yes, I said that, and it's true. I would.
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Meeeeehhhhh.
Well then...isn't that like suicide? And isn't suicide considered a major sin in the Bible? "Your body is your temple" they sez.
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I wouldn't think so, although that made me think a bit and is a pretty good point. But suicide is causing your own death, whereas accepting that you are going to die is not. It would be letting what would naturally happen happen, letting nature take its course. Dying in the place of another. I'm obviously not God and can't determine what is and isn't a sin, but I don't think one would go to Hell for that.
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Yes but you could still prevent yourself from dying. That's what I'm saying. If abortion became illegal all over the world, the number of health-related abortion deaths would like...increase since it would be both the parent and the baby. I know it doesn't make up the majority of the abortions but it would happen. And if it became illegal...think of how messed up our prisons would be if the person would be sent to jail. We're already having issues sending the real criminals to prison, and increasing that number by thousands isn't going to do much good for us. You said that a woman should be treated for murder because they're committing homicide. They throw people in jail for life for that. Yeah.
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Just because you could prevent yourself from dying doesn't mean it's suicide.
And just because I would literally rather die than have an abortion doesn't mean I'd expect others to give their lives for their children. That's why the ONE instance I'd be able to understand the contemplation of an abortion is if the mother's life is in danger.
And that's the way it is. The woman/doctors can be put on trial to determine specific circumstances and consequences for the woman (it wouldn't necessarily have to be life in prison, although I wouldn't have a problem with it.) This would be the sort of thing where circumstances and reasoning would matter and factor into the punishment. There are different types of homicide and different consequences for each. This would be classified as a new type and could be determined accordingly.
But, as Stephie mentioned to me the other night, when slavery was first declared illegal, people still had slaves and weren't punished by the law. It remained that way for a while until punishment was finally enforced. And now, today, we'd find it perfectly fine to legally punish someone for owning slaves. Hopefully this issue will turn into something along those lines. First, let's outlaw abortion (in all cases except those that legitimately and certainly threaten the mother's life - that exception standing until the proper technology is developed). And then we can worry about the other, legal things.
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.......and I rest my case.
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That's way too /extreme/.
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Is it? It's all murder, it all deserves the same consequences.
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Only in your skewed perception of reality, it is.
As I said before: First trimester abortion is okay, if only for certain reasons. I could understand your reasoning if we were talking about second or third trimester abortions. But obviously, that's not the case.
Furthermore, your perception of reality is so massively skewed that you think it's a crime for rape victims to get an abortion. You honestly think some rape victim is going to recover from a life-altering event in matter of /three days/? Are you honestly kidding me?
But at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter because the whole anti-abortion movement is all fueled by nothing but religion, which should have absolutely no place in lawmaking or government.
Now, about the art...
There's a million things I don't agree with here, but let me touch on a few of the big ones.
1. The way you totally misused quotes that were completely unrelated to abortion to drive your point across. That's completely wrong, and if I had been Dr. Seuss, I wouldn't have appreciated misusing my quote about /racism/ for /abortion/.
2. FUD, or Fear, uncertainty, doubt. You try to strike fear into people to drive your point across as well, by saying stupid crap like "homicide" or "mother of a dead baby".
To me, if you can't make your point without resorting to underhanded tactics to get your point across, you shouldn't have said anything to begin with. And if you have to shove your beliefs onto others without respecting their beliefs, then I have absolutely no respect for you.
End of story.
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WEll, fuck. My comment didn't go through and I have to go.
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