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Now that sabertooths are somewhat trending, I just wanted to help you avoid the most common mistakes I see.To do that, I abused the hell out of Wikimedia Commons and, not proud of that, even of Mr. Antóns beautiful Smilodon head reconstruction for proportions. Go buy his books, they're the best thing there is on sabertooths!
And of course, species differences apply, but the general trend is true for most of them.
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I read that too! Kinda gives a funny image of those jowls flopping around whenever they turn their head too fast!
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Oh thank god...
this needed to be done
Amount of Sabertooth with weird funny body shapes and skulls and teeth x-x
It's easy to forget that the Sabertooth killed in an entirely different way to modern day felines, far more stocky than Lions... you only have to look at the skeleton to see that they were made to bring down big prey. You'd need that muscles strength to bring down big game. Then there's the way they use those lovely knives... they can effectively open their jaws in a wide gape which is why they have the longer head shape. It is much wider than that of the Lion's, pretty much twice the gape, if not a little bigger, which is how they can bring their teeth to be able to deliver their stabbing death blow.
It's one reason I can't stand it when the term 'Sabertooth tiger' is used ><
Have you watched a BBC documentary called Ice Age Giants narrated by Professor Alice Roberts? It explains how the Sabertooth could in theory deliver that deathly technique quite well.
PS. The CGI used is a bit meh but in theory...
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Yup, I get itchy looking at incorrect sabers, too. Then again… there’s a reason why I traced over stuff for this. I make plenty of own mistakes, and I can’t claim that I do in depth research for every animal that I just draw casually. For example, I once found a bear tutorial which stated that bears never lift their heads higher than their shoulders, and I was like “welp, you only see what you know”. But sabertooth ecology fascinates me just as much as you!
I was wondering if I should include body structure as well, with the super long neck and the short stiff back, all adapted to anchor those muscles. But people get those right most of the time.
I didn’t see the whole series but I think I’ve seen a clip of the scenes that you described. They did explain it really well!
Thanks for your comment, I hope a lot of other people see it, too!
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They are very fascinating... since your first thought is pretty much... how do they even get about with those gnashers?! But it also helps that they do have relation to domesticated moggies and you think, n'aw lookie, there's ya cousin, if you have cats. They have a pretty strong impact when you look at them.
I would since anatomy is usually more on the whole than the single part. To have been able to use those teeth, which do look very fragile , they would need to be able to subdue an animal to a level where they can implement that bite. If you look at their skeleton, you can see that Bulldog stance in the forelimbs, with all that muscle attachment. If a smack from a lion can kill a man, I'd hate to think what a smack from a Saber-tooth would do. Yeah, not all sabers are the same as Smilodon Fatalis but they share a common blueprint. So all that muscle that's drawn from the body into the forelimbs which in turn pulls through into the neck and finally the head... They Xray the bones that form the base of the skull where the bite force derivces... several times thicker than that of a Lion and many more times that of a cheetah, indicating a really powerful bite. You compare a saber build to an African lion, the lion's build is similar but a lot sleeker and lighter... Sabers take stocky to a powerful extreme... and I love the fact that they pulled evidence of a female Sabertooth from the Labreya tar pits who showed the indicative bone growth of arthritiis and the evidence of healing meant that female was being cared for by others in the pride.
You need to do a family shot one day xD
You really should, it gives a healthy insight. Hell, there's a cave in Arizona which they showed that has Giant Sloth dung that has not fossilised. It's as fresh as the day it got pooped. xD Lots of interesting things they cover.
You're most welcome.
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Das ist cool
Wobei ich sagen muss, dass das Baby mit dem Zähnchen halt einfach süss aussieht <3
Ich muss immer grinsen wenn ich sehe, dass Leute Baby Wölfe malen, die am Bauch der Mutter liegen und schon genau die Markings ihres erwachsenen Ichs haben. Frisch geborene Wölfe sind sehr dunkel und die Markings noch nicht ausgeprägt. Aber ja, denke nur wenige achten auf so Kleinigkeiten. Doch wenn man sie erst mal verinnerlicht hat, wie ich in dem Fall, kann man es einfach nicht mehr übersehen xD
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Ich find die Version mit Zähnchen eigentlich auch niedlicher. ^^
Weiß genau, was du meinst mit dem Verinnerlichen. Viele Dinge hat man auch jahrelang vor der Nase, ohne sie zu sehen, bis jemand drauf hinweist, und dann fragt man sich, warum man's nicht selbst bemerkt hat. Dank dir wird mir das mit den Wolfswelpen jetzt wohl auch immer auffallen, obwohl ich eigentlich genug Tierbücher gewälzt hatte.
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Ooo thank you for this! I wonder why Smilodon had such large incisors :0
By the way, to add to what strong-1 said, here's the theory stripedserendipity.tumblr.com/… (some illustrations and a detailed explanation is linked in the post). I'd like to hear what you think of it too C:
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I'll just wait until that gets made into an actual scientific paper and gets the discussion it needs. If it's accepted, then I'll accept it too. Until then, I'll just stick to the traditional way, the look of the saint bernard ones freaks me out a bit.
About the incisors: IIRC it's connected to the way they were feeding. If you want a really, really extreme example, look up the teeth of Xenosmilus. Nicknamed the 'cookie cutter cat' it probably chomped whole blocks of meat out of its prey, causing huge bleeding wounds. Other sabers may have used their large incisors to get meat off carcasses easier, even though they often just used their large back teeth to shear it off. And a row of even-sized, sturdy incisors in the lower jaw may have been a good tool to counter the pressure the upper jaw inflicted, helping the fangs to sink in evenly and do their work.
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The saint bernard ones do look a little disturbing, but if that look turns out to be correct, I'd rather be disturbed and scientifically accurate than have a prettier critter that's not accurate.
That's very interesting! And what a neat looking skull Xenosmilus has. Thank you for telling me all this C:
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Yup but I'll still wait until someone with the right qualifications says something about it. ^^ Did you read about Darren Naishs new proposal for Ceratopsids? With the huge floppy airsacks hanging out of their nose? I think for now, the sabertooth thing should be treated the same way. Food for thought but also with a wink.
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This is really good! The term "banana head" is interesting, I would have said "barrel head" but it fits.
What is your opinion on the interesting theory that Smilodon may have had mastiff-like jowls to protect its saber teeth?
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I'll just wait until that gets made into an actual scientific paper and gets the discussion it needs. If it's accepted, then I'll accept it too. Until then, I'll just stick to the traditional way, the look of the saint bernard ones freaks me out a bit.
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I was just wondering if you thought it could be plausible, after all lots of other saber-toothed predators from Thylacosmilus and Nimravids to the Clouded Leopard have some sort of protection for their invaluable teeth.
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I don't think I get to have an opinion on this (or at least one that you'd find helpful), I'll just wait what the real experts say.
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Very nice references. These are a big help in fleshing out a druid character in his feline form for Pathfinder.
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Ha, great to hear! Thanks! ^^
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You are welcome and thank you.
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How do you feel on the hypothesis that Smilodon's fangs where not so much tusks but 'teeth', needing to be covered in saliva all the time?
Article- > alphynix.tumblr.com/post/14656… (( in the shorter hand ))
Longform MAIN ARTICLE -> antediluviansalad.blogspot.com…
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I'll just wait until that gets made into an actual scientific paper and gets the discussion it needs. If it's accepted, then I'll accept it too. Until then, I'll just stick to the traditional way, the look of the saint bernard ones freaks me out a bit.
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Exactly.
It's an interesting theory though, since we're still just going by bones.
It would be nice if there'd been more cave paintings then just the lions mostly in Chauvet.
I agree with the freaky look too.... suddenly the thought of a pride of these running at me is less intimidating with floppy lips XD
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Ah, I was just about to post this! You beat me to the punch :')
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sorry hun. Interesting as all heck though, isn't it? XD
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It really is! Wish the article had displayed some of the more...Atractive pictures of the theory, however. Makes it much more believable to see these:
img06.deviantart.net/2c0e/i/20…
66.media.tumblr.com/5116701abe…
orig07.deviantart.net/cb82/f/2…
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It's fun to me, I mean... we're just going on bones really. Cave paintings are almost just the Lions at the Chauvet Caverns.
it's an interesting thought, I do give it that and while it does make them a lot less intimidating, nature does design things more for function then epic appeal.
.... Though... the thought of a pride running across prairie with lips flapping in the wind....... soooooo doofy nature. Why you do that XD
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Oh yes, I love how we're able to get so much out of just the bones of these million (or even billion) year old creatures! Just by looking at what we have today! Honestly, I think the bulldog look feels even more intimidating than the bared teeth. It might be cultural since today we see our floppy-lipped dogs as these big brutes, but I think it works.
Oh my God, that makes things far less scary again. Amazing. Far less impressive than our lions today, lmao
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amazing finally got a good tutorial for these!
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If you like the biteycats, I can't recommend enough to get a copy of "The big cats and their fossil relatives" from amazon, that book's such an eye opener.
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oh lawdy. I'll look it up right nowwwww
hopefully it's in my budget
I'm a slut for fossils.
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Das ist sehr hilfreich
Mir passieren einige der aufgezählten Fehler sehr oft beim Zeichnen von Smilodons Aber das Tutorial ist sehr gut erklärt und ich werde es sicher ab und zu als Hilfe verwenden, wenn ich wieder Säbelzahnkatzen zeichne
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Ist ja keine Schande! Ich hab sie z.B. auch immer mit unteren Eckzähnen gezeichnet, bis mir mal aufgefallen ist, dass ein richtiger Paläoartist es nicht tat und er mir erklärt hat, weswegen. Dafür is das Tutorial ja da, weil das Sachen sind die nicht wirklich intuitiv sind. Bis auf das mit den umgedrehten Zähnen, dafür gibts keine Rechtfertigung.
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Die unteren Eckzähne habe ich bisher immer wie bei modernen Katzen gezeichnet XD Aber das Tutorial zeigt sehr gut was man beim Zeichnen von Säbelzahnkatzen beachten muss
Ja, die umgedrehten Eckzähne sind mir auch ein Rätsel XD
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THE BACKWARDS FANGS
I tried not to laugh (I'm at work). xD
I don't think I've ever drawn a smilodon, but now I know how to do it the right way. xD
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Hehe, thanks! ^^ Backwards fangs actually get drawn relatively often, believe it or not.
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Really?! I thought you just added that to be funny. xD
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This...is extremely helpful. Especially since 95% of my characters are a feline species with saber teeth
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I NEEDED THIS!!! I make 90% of these mistakes when I draw them XD
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