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Published: 2013-05-28 06:05:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 3415; Favourites: 54; Downloads: 16
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We at the BFOI recieve a lot of art every day, and currently with the open app submissions, we're seeing many more apps, and unfortunately, we do see quite a number of errors come through on them too.So here's a How-To Guide bringing to light the most common errors we see and how to avoid them, along with a visual explanation of our allowable colour rules, and a cameo from Pkmn's most famous trainer.
For the record - The traced Pikachu is sourced from [link] and is used only as example on what NOT to do here. We do not condone art theft and it is a very quick way to get yourself banned in the BFOI.
The details on Ash and his team are as close as I could find, or nearest estimates for the purpose of creating an example app.
Hope this helps!
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Oh whoops, I'm really glad this was made! Time to go make another outfit for Jitters then! Thank you guys for the heads up here!
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As silly as the question may sound, is the 3 outfits or front'n'back rule apply to spectator apps?
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We've been lax on it in the past, but in order to bring everything to a level playing field, we're stating the same as the trainers - Front & Back or Front + 2 alts
The biggest difference on the NPC apps is the pkmn number - Trainer Apps aren't forced to a minimum of two - One pkmn is fine there, since NPCs can only get to max of three pkmn at most, unlike Trainers with a potential max of seven.
Hope that helps ~
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I was also confused about the 3 alt outfit vs. one back and front image. It seems my app also slipped through the cracks on that rule. I think the big issue there for me is not having time to change up my app before R1 begins.
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Actually, Crayon, your app is fine - I just looked over it, and you've got more than two alt outfits on there - they're in chibi yes, but they're there, and that's fine.
Also, R1 opening is not going lock out all new apps - It'll be open until the end of R1 to allow any edits and new people that'll appear.
Hope that helps ~
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Oh thank you so much for clearing that up for me!
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Could I get some clarification on the pet pokemon not being beyond a "second stage" evolution? It was my understanding that, say for a caterpie, a stage 1 evolution is metapod, and a stage 2 is butterfree. My character was going to have a butterfree as her pet, but is it considered a second or a third stage? I didn't think pokemon could evolve more than twice, but maybe I'm thinking of card game rules? Someone please clarify. Thanks
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I'm not sure, but considering how they explained the rules before caterpie would be first stage, metapod second and butterfree third. It would mean that you can only have pokΓ©mon which has evolved once. So metapod would be okay, but not butterfree.
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Thanks for the feedback. Since I'm not sure, I'll just make the butterfree part of her team to be safe
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Aqua here would be correct - By first and second stage, we mean the first and second form of the pkmn, not first and second stage evolutions, which I believe is how the TCG defines them.
So Caterpie and Metapod, would be fine as pets, Butterfree not so much.
Hope that helps ~
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Don't take my word for granted, but this is how I understood the pet requirements.
1. Must be a first form. (Nidorina wouldn't be accepted.)
2. Must be able to evolve. (Jynx wouldn't be accepted.)
3. Must not be larger than the trainer. (Onix wouldn't be accepted.)
I could be wrong and recalling older guidelines (since by these three rules Luvdisc wouldn't be allowed for example) and I really hope you get an official response. Pokemon abiding by those three rules should be safe, though.
~Lukki
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for #3 how does that work for shorter trainers? My OC/trainer is the same height as me being 5'2" and the main pokemon I always use is Furret which is 5'11" :S would this mean furret would no longer qualify...?
also are we allowed to have our pokemon with accessories (ie. my furret I use always has a scarf) or held items?
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I'm only repeating what I can remember. Your best option is to ask an admin if a furret is okay.
I don't remember there being any rules regarding accessories or held items. I'd say those are fine as long as they're within reasonable limits, although I can't think of any non-key items that would be too crazy. My skitty has a broken pokeball.
~Lukki
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In the case of Furret, the 'dex doesn't differentiate between height and length. Furret is Long, not Tall, so would be fine as a pet.
For items, its always been that they can have one battle item, and wear accessories so long as the extra parts don't add any battle effect.
Hope that helps ~
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Ah damn I apologize I didn't link properly I've been typing this out on my phone.
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Hmmmmmmmm ok seems like my app slipped through the cracks with an error. I have only two body pieces but not a third alternate outfit. [link] will I have to change this before R1 begins?
Thanks in advance for taking the time to reply.
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So without going overboard and dipping into the "sparklemutt" category, can a Smeargle have different colors as stated in their biology? Their paint and symbols they use, can it be anything other than the green/(shiny red) it has in the games? I wanted to ask before I did my app, because it seems rules are a lot more strict this year. >_>
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Oh my, now I have to make a new alt outfit, just great...
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Checked over my application and everything seems to be in order. I did write the moves with my handwriting, but I asked and it should be legible. Even if someone finds it hard to read, I put the moves in the description as well.
Although I did notice that I had actually written Selene's name as Selena in the application! I don't know how that slipped by me, but it's fixed now.
~Lukki
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I agree with Zillar-- and I can't add another drawing of Nathan's alternate clothing or back view-- my tablet is no longer usable. I'm only able to do traditional media now, and I have no idea how to incorporate that into my digital drawings without it looking weird. So...?
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For tabletless digital drawing, may I recommend using the path tool available in GIMP and Photoshop? As a new tool it may take some getting used to, but once you get the hang of it you should be able to make at least decent pictures with it. The result probably won't end up looking anything like your usual style, but it's something.
~Lukki
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Ah yes I am familiar with photoshop, but that still doesnt help me incorporate my already completed digital app with a random traditional chibi slapped on there. The look would be horrible and rather borish to look at, not to mention the app was already accepted from the first submission. I find it hardly fair that I need to do put another drawing that would make my app look half assed despite the fact that the sample app only has 1 alternate outfit. Still though, thanks for the advice! Just need to see what the mods should do about this o v o
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Yeah, that's fair enough. An added image made with any other method would look quite off, wouldn't it. I wish you the best of luck with all this.
~Lukki
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Yeah.... and that's what I'm hoping it won't come down to. I won't be a very happy camper that way LOL
And thanks!
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I actually have a similar issue, except the original outfits were half traditional and half digital. My style since then has changed quite a bit. Updating the app to change your current style is not such a bad idea, but with little time left (not to mention, consideration of previous time spent on the app) this would result in several apps just having one added piece that feels out of place. :S
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Aaah, yeah there's the style differentiation too. I just hope they'll let us link the third outfit in the artist comment. Hopefully they'll answer soon because I'll be rather busy with a con this weekend
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My suggestion, which is what I will do once I have more info that this is going to be stuck to, is to just draw the image separately and link it in the description(with a highly visible note to make sure it isn't looked over). While I don't have the digital/traditional issue you have, my app was drawn almost a year ago and it already has style discrepancies with the main images, I don't need another really awkward looking style shift on it.
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Yeah! That's what Im hoping it will happen, since I have no problem with that. And I feel ya man, mine was drawn roughly about 6-7 months ago, so not only would there be a media difference, but a style difference too. :/
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Didn't really want to bring this up, but I think the confusion about the front v back or two alt outfit rule stems from two things, at least in my case:
1) The sample app doesn't follow the rule as it is stated here: [link]
and mostly
2) No one corrected me on it? Or anyone else? And there is a large number of apps that do not follow it at this point in time.
I am not debating its existence or validity, just saying that it would have been nice if it was made clearer a year ago when apps first started coming in and violating it on a regular basis.
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Well, first off, the app you linked in has been in my scraps for a very long time, and says in its on comment section that it's no longer valid in favour of my actual app. I slapped 'example' across the stupid thing because people constantly mistook it for my actual app. If it eases your mind, I can remove it from DA entirely.
Second, I apologise that no one pointed out an issue previously - I wasn't always at the helm when taking in apps, and many apps did get in, mostly during the R0 period, that don't meet the rules. We're admitting this is a huge oversight on our part and are doing this fix to make sure everyone is on the same playing field. The admin aren't an exception either, and virtually all of us are updating our own apps to make sure they're well within our own set standards.
And just as a final note (since this comment and reply are visible to all), noones getting removed from the group entirely, and apps will be open until the end of Round One, allowing time for things to resubmitted if needed. That's still plenty of time to fix things up without panicking about not being let in to the contest.
Hope that helps ~
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Thank you for your response, which is all I really wanted.
(And I see now that it is in scraps, I admit I didn't catch that when linking it, but I don't think it was when I first worked on my app. I think it is still linked on the blank app instructions itself, which is how I got it).
I'll definitely work on putting my app up to standards now that this has been clarified.
Is it ok to link the additional reference in the description? Because I am not sure of the state of my app psd. (and just a personal qualm with weird style inconsistencies on the same app haha)
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I agree! I only joined the group last week, and spent ages on an app. However, after four days, it still hadn't been accepted and then I saw where I went wrong with the journal today - I only had one alternative outfit. But looking through the gallery now, so many applications only have one other outfit too! My application wasn't rejected and I wasn't told that I had done anything wrong, so I just thought it was taking a really long time to get through.
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As the mods have stated before, there are many apps that have slipped through the cracks rule-wise; before R1 details are released, the mods are going to thoroughly sweep through the gallery for any of those errors. Try to fix up your apps as much as you can via the above guide-- if you need more help, as another competitor to look it over or, as a last resort, ask the mods with a note.
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I think there is a big difference between small details slipping through (lack of abilities, move sets, etc.) and a huge lack of the main images. You can clearly tell if there is a back view vs. 3 images with just a glance at the thumbnails. Also I could have sworn I even asked about it, and I know mods have at least SEEN my app in the past.
To me this seems more like a late reinterpretation of the rules(irregardless of their original intent), and I really just want an actual mod's response on the issue before I do anything.
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