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Published: 2017-08-30 01:46:22 +0000 UTC; Views: 10150; Favourites: 108; Downloads: 16
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This has been something I wanted to draw for weeks, an entirely romanticized idea of two large, aquatic reptiles from the Mesozoic hunting together as pack mates or, if you want to push the romanticizing further, as friends as well, but I had trouble deciding who would make a good and temporarily accurate duo, but then I remembered watching Ice Age 2 which featured a pair of sea reptiles who got defrosted and started menacing the heroes while they were trying to escape the flood. ( vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/v… )

Called Cretaceous and Maelstrom by tie-in material, these two creatures were pretty damn cool in the movie, as a kid I remember being on the edge of my seat whenever they showed up, especially when they devoured one unfortunate glyptodont, yikes. Nonetheless while they were effective as scary water monsters, they would probably make any paleontologist cry do to their level of "accuracy". While the filmmakers obviously didn't put much thought regarding accuracy, some contradicting info came out regarding the two marine reptiles identifies.

Cretaceous, according to different sources, is either a metriorhynchid crocodile or an ichthyosaur, obviously it looks nothing like an ichthyosaur, but its "fishy croc" design does fit a metriorhynchid quite nicely, though the osteoderms, metriorhynchids famously lacked this iconic crocodilian trait, and the sailfish-like dorsal fin are still inaccurate, as is its ability to lumber across land like a seal.

Likewise Maelstrom, according to different sources, is either a pliosaur or a mosasaur, and it pays little resemblance to either one, looking like a reptilian Dunkleosteus more than anything. Given the options I prefer the pliosaur identification given how Maelstrom swims using its four flippers, a trait relatively unique to plesiosaurs and their (potential) cousins the turtles, while most other groups of aquatic reptiles relayed on their tails to propel themselves, just like fish.

Also it's a fun bit of coincidence, accuracy wise, that the film choose to feature a metriorhynchid and pliosaur getting frozen together and being defrosted in the Cenozoic, given that both of these groups were at the peek of their power and diversity during the late Jurassic (165-145 mya).

So here we have a scientifically accurate Cretaceous and Maelstrom, retroactively identified as a Torvoneustes carpenteri (5 m) and a Liopleurodon ferox (6 m) hunting together and patrolling the Tethys sea, 156 million years ago.

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JJT123 [2022-07-01 23:16:29 +0000 UTC]

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Obiwanlives4ever [2018-11-12 06:13:24 +0000 UTC]

Aw dude, I can't tell you how much I loved these two characters as a kid and how happy I am to stumble across this fanart. I was 12 when Ice Age 2 came out and it quickly became my favorite movie, thanks in large part to these two. I love how you reimagined them as scientifically accurate creatures, because as fun and creative as their designs are, they certainly don't match up well with any real-life prehistoric species (I remember reading in some official guidebook as a kid that they were apparently an Ichthyosaur and a Pliosaur and going "... uh huh. /sure/.") Anyway, I really love this drawing and it's nice to look at it and imagine them swimming around before their inevitable frozen misadventure.

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MEGAPOTAMIA325 [2018-09-08 16:13:20 +0000 UTC]

Can you do Rudy next?

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Flameal15k [2017-08-30 03:58:54 +0000 UTC]

Considering how some animals behave in real life, I would not be surprised at all if this actually happened.

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Flameal15k [2017-08-30 06:24:29 +0000 UTC]

I highly doubt that would be the case between giant, reptilian apex predators. I specifically said in the first paragraph that this was an entirely romanticized idea.

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acepredator In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2020-11-03 20:38:52 +0000 UTC]

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Flameal15k In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-08-30 12:55:09 +0000 UTC]

I know, but I wouldn't be surprised if smaller species or genera teamed up occasionally to go after hard to reach food, such as ichthyosaurs in coral crags. I mean, Morays and Groupers do it.

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Flameal15k In reply to Flameal15k [2017-08-30 12:56:58 +0000 UTC]

And it is only situational.

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AntonellisofbBender [2017-08-30 03:58:05 +0000 UTC]

WOW

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Michael2K17 [2017-08-30 03:52:24 +0000 UTC]

My childhood heroes in the flesh. :')

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Michael2K17 [2017-08-30 06:24:01 +0000 UTC]

Mine too, underrated creatures.Ā 

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Michael2K17 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-08-31 02:26:19 +0000 UTC]

Yes.

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dastherr65 [2017-08-30 03:21:51 +0000 UTC]

Horrifying. No wait, I don't mean the art! That's beautiful! No wait, I don't mean the reptiles, they're terrifying! No, not the art! Ugh!! Anyway, this is great art you've done here. What species of ichthyosaurus is the the corner?

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to dastherr65 [2017-08-30 06:23:35 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.Ā 

I don't know, a generic ichthyosaur I guess.Ā 

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dastherr65 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-08-30 14:02:47 +0000 UTC]

Ahh, ok.

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MerkavaDragunov [2017-08-30 02:38:28 +0000 UTC]

so which is cretaceous and which is maelstorm in the picture?

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ZinaDinosaur [2017-08-30 02:10:03 +0000 UTC]

I have seen Ice Age 2, and these guys were pretty terrifying.

Good job on making a more accurate version of them, this is like an odd prehistoric animal couple.

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KalpanaCartoons [2017-08-30 01:57:06 +0000 UTC]

Very good work. I had seen Ice Age 2 and those guys were scary

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Terraraptor [2017-08-30 01:56:44 +0000 UTC]

Considering the cooperative hunting tactics of Groupers/Morays and Coyotes/Badgers, its not entirely impossible with your version.

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Terraraptor [2017-08-30 01:57:51 +0000 UTC]

I highly doubt that would be the case between giant, reptilian apex predators.

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Terraraptor In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-08-30 02:07:46 +0000 UTC]

Unlikely yes, especially with large animals from these families. Maybe smaller species would be more likely?

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Terraraptor [2017-08-30 02:09:32 +0000 UTC]

I don't know, predatory reptiles generally have a "everone for themselves" mentality. Ā Ā 

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Terraraptor In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-08-30 02:18:44 +0000 UTC]

Isn't that a tad anthropomorphic? And many would say the same about fish, despite the fact that Moray eels and Groupers coordinate hunting tactics.Ā 

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Nuclearzeon2 [2017-08-30 01:56:07 +0000 UTC]

Given how modern day coyotes and badgers will work together to catch ground squirrels, it makes me wonder if any prehistoric animals did anything similar.

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Nuclearzeon2 [2017-08-30 01:58:23 +0000 UTC]

I highly doubt that would be the case between giant, reptilian apex predators. I specifically said in the first paragraph that this was an entirely romanticized idea.

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Nuclearzeon2 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-08-30 02:00:47 +0000 UTC]

I know, but it's still a fun thing to speculate.

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Nuclearzeon2 [2017-08-30 02:02:33 +0000 UTC]

You mean "imagine", "speculate" insinuates that it has some bases in reality. Ā 

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Nuclearzeon2 In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-08-30 02:04:45 +0000 UTC]

I know. I was referring to other animals, like maybe Repenomamus and some kind of dromaeosaur.

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ThalassoAtrox In reply to Nuclearzeon2 [2017-08-30 02:08:16 +0000 UTC]

I can't think of any instances of a bird and a mammal cooperating in a symbiotic manner either. Ā 

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Manti-Terror In reply to ThalassoAtrox [2017-09-01 01:58:03 +0000 UTC]

What about birds and crocs?

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