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Time to do some European nations for a change, it's cheap and easy but well, why not?So to still try to bring some variation I decided to go with Hispania, I think this country would be very interesting in the SW witches universe due to the lack of both Cristianity and Islam...makes you wonder how things turned out here where so many religious wars happened.
Anyway, Enjoy.
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The Hispanian forces have an important weapon: cojones quiri1997.deviantart.com/art/S…
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Also they have a great field tactic: "Sandwitch" quiri1997.deviantart.com/art/H…
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I'm making some fanfics which take place on Hispania: Already created some Hispanian Witches, like commander Josefina (Josephine) Falcó [ace: Josep Falcó, one of the air aces of the Republican side] and, well, made that Perrine went trough Hispania into Britannia (escorting an armored division into a safe place and going from Coruña into Porsmouth in a ship). Fanart: OC Josefina Falcó:
quiri1997.deviantart.com/art/J…
Also, headcanon: the Hispanian government, in order to prevent an invasion, created a defense line over the Pyrinees called the "P-line" and including fortresses hidden on the mountains, like a field helipad in Mount Annetus (that can be used by witches and with autogyros, a kind of airstrip invented in the 1930s [in real history by the engineer Juan de la Cierva, working for the Spanish army] which was an early version of the modern helicopter).
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Sounds pretty interesting, she looks pretty cool.
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Thanks. She is based on a Spanish air ace called Josep Falcó, who fought during the SCW and served as mechanic during WW2 (since the French army didn't let him join as a pilot, despite his combat experience). He served mostly on night missions, so Josephine would be a night witch.
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60%+20%+10% = 90%. So I guess that the 10% of the Hispanian population just doesn't exist...
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Oh lol XD
I gotta fix that later.
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Also, I think that the government type should be more a constitutional monarchy (I think that in the "modern" Hispania the main difference is that Alphonse XIII abdicates on his son John [John III] and he gives the charge of Prime Minister to Azaña in order to make a constitutional reform and reinstaure a more democratic system). Also, I have some headcanons about the Hispanian military (I think it's based on mixed mechanised brigades [MMB] with 5000 soldiers and 100 tanks commited each one). The name "mixed" comes from a military reform made in 1936 (on the actual Spain) refering to a infantry brigade with artillery and engineer battalions commited to it (on that way, a mixed mechanised brigade would have mechanised infantry, tanks and SPA commited). Also, some naval reforms would have given a small but powerfull fleet based on the "Canarias" class heavy cruisers and the Lepanto class battleships (a class of battleships proyected after the SCW, but cancelled due to lack of funds).
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I understand what you say but...what's wrong with an absolute monarchy? Why do you think it "Should" be a constituional monarchy?
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Okay, let's say it: Spain was in tensions during the 1920s and 1930s. An absolute monarchy would only lead to a civil war, like king Alphonse XIII realised in the late 1920s and then forced the dictator Primo de Rivera into exile. The Spanish republican movement was really strong during the 1930s, and in fact forced the king into exile in 1931 due to having more than 6 years of absolute monarchy during the dictatorship of Primo de Rivera. Maintaining the absolute monarchy during the 1930s means maintaining the pressions and having almost all the country sick of the monarch, which means that the people in Spain would have started a revolution. The only way possible of maintaining the monarchy during the 1930s in Spain was cutting every "absolutist" abuse and creating a social-democrat government in order to give the steps needed to modernise the society and the economy.
Also, I'm Spanish and I've learned how are absolute governments in my country. They're ruthless, brute and based on mass repression since in Spain there is an strong feeling for being free.
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I see, that is an interesting story, I notice you don't go below the 20th century which you probably should because, there is some consistency through SW's humanity history to be taken into account that would shape the nations today.
Have you taken into account ALL the elements present in the SW universe through the history of Hispania? For example the fact that there are no Abrahamic religions in the SW universe, so the legacy of spain as "The Catholic nation" doesn't exists in this universe, they weren't represive to their colonies in America, allowing them to keep their religion and culture until they gained their independance (Which is why many nations in Liberion still have native names like Azteca, The Mayan Federation etc).
When you read these things you get the feeling that the monarch in the SW universe are incredibly benevolent and kind to their people and the witches, which would make sense considering the theme in SW "Unity".
Humanity has to stand united because they're fighting against an enemy that should they be separated, they would have been wiped out by now, they really don't have time to argue among themselves, they are more preocupied with staying safe from the Neuroi, the Neuroi play a HUGE part in the shaping of Humanity's historu in the SW universe, so a few things are bound to change.
And also consider that there is a considerable population of Berbers (Not Arabs because there was never an Umiyad Caliphate to expand across North Africa, pure original berbers) iin Spain, mostly in their corresponding places like the South in Andalusia, they were not kicked out of Hispania by some Catholics, there was no "Reconquista", The berbers stayed in Hispania and played a HUGE part in the shaping of their nation, plus being the keepers of Roman history, they share the same religion as Hispanians already so relationships between Berbers and Hispanians would be MUCH better, allied with other nations in North Africa like the Kingdom of Morocco and Mauretania, don't you think that is bound to have a significance shift in history in Hispania?
I guess I could change to a constitutional monarchy, no problem in that but, I don't think the things you're saying here would have happened in the SW universe, if monarchs provide well the country, rule fair and nice, protect them against the Neuroi and promote the witch culture, then I don't see why people would be dessatisfied with an absolute monarchy.
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The problem is that there is no "benevolent" absolute monarch in the history of Spain (almost), and I don't see how would it be on a country based on Spain. Most of the Spanish monarchs were incompetent and corrupt, so it's not really fair that they would provide well the country and rule fair and nice. It's really rare in the country of the Cid ("What a good vassal if he had a good overlord!" says the poem, refering to the Cid, and Spain is on that way). Also, there is only one monarch shown in SW, the princess of Romagna, so I think that saying "all monarchs in SW are benevolent" is fair since, as I said, we saw one only monarch. Also, that way of thinking is really childlish
And, well, the Hispanic people is the only people able to discuss and create laws during the middle of a war, in fact the first Spanish constitution was made during the Peninsular War, at a city sieged (Cádiz) on which most of the remanents of the Spanish army managed to resist. I don't think that the Neuroi would be able to stop that kind of politics, even when they emerged in Spain in 1936 (on land, battle on Jarama and on Ebro [1938] -based both in SCW battles, and on sea on the Cape Palos [1937] -based in SCW naval battle).
About the berbers, there were berbers in the Peninsula after the islamic army invaded it. Since there is no Islam, there is no berber invassion. However, I think that there would be a mutual cultural exchange and some migrations (due to the climate and some technological superiority), so I guess that there would be many berbers or Andalusians (with both castilians and berber ancestors).
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What's wrong with that mentality? This isn't Evangelion or UC Gundam, this is Strike Witches, sure at times the plot gets really dark and even disturbing and bloody, but there is always that feeling of triumph if people stand together against the odds, I am not fond of the "Dark and Egdy Fanfiction", I think it's stupid and it robs the series of its overall themes, don't they always hammer in the series the motto "Witches can do anything", I mean that's straight up Precure territory right there, it's as chidlish as it can be.
Things is, I don't want to create a SW universe that is a mirror of the real world's precise dark and grim because what's the point of that? To me SW is about two things, a study of culture and humanity (Because it made me learn about cultures and history I didn't even know about when making the maps, hell I didn't even know the Berbers were its own separate culture from the Arabs before making these maps) AND the union of humanity for a better future, in an alternate universe even if it takes an unknown force to push us to, humanity learned that standing united they can survive and improve themselves and will likely aim for a MUCH better future than the one we have now, is it unrealistic navie and "Chidlsish"? Absofuckinglutely....but THAT is Strike Witches and I wouldn't want it any other way.
So of course when I say "Benevolent Monarchs" I don't mean goodie goods with no flaws, but compared to the incompentent monarchs you mention, they are several stepts above that, The Hispanian Incident they mention the series is not the first time the Neuroi ever poped out in the country, the movie shows us that there have been Neuroi pretty much since the Dawn of Mankind, so saying that was the first time Neuroi appeared there is hard to believe (Especially the way it's framed in the movie intro seems to imply all those mythological monsters across humanity WERE Neuroi), so their influence on the world is from the start.
The Berbers were strong allies of the Roman Empire, which lasted abour 400 years more than it did in real life, is it really that big of a stretch to say a good number of them moved to the Hispanian provinces? ESPECIALLY when the Western Roman Empire under Justinian invaded, I'd image many of them would have evacuated to their neighbor countries like the area where Morroco is today and yes, Hispania as well in order to escape the Byzantine forces, there doesn't need to be a muslim invasion for Berbers to be in Hispania.
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Well, the berbers didn't have reasons to attack Hispania, I'm just saying that since they never invade the reasons of berber presence would be differents, like cultural exchange or migrations. Or also a posible use of berber mercenaries during wars.
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Em... Well, I would say that someone having absolute power is not "benevolent", and in fact nothing would unite more the Spanish people than a constitutional democratic government. We understood that after decades of corruption, inestability and civil wars. Most of the Spanish monarchs were corrupt and incompetent (including the monarch in the early decades of the XX century, Alphonse XIII, who was one of the most incompetent monarchs ever). And if there is something I've learned in History lessons is that there is no "benevolent" absolute monarch (and not in a Spain-based country), and that having an absolute monarchy in the 1930s is anachronic.
I think I should made some scripts with population, economy and military of the SW countries, based on some canon aparitions, canon history and comparitions with the actual world. If you want to join that proyect and collaborate just say it.
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I don't know...I see Spain today and, that sentence doesn't seem to ring true to me, people say the country won't exist in 20 years.
I don't know I am don't live in Spain so I can't say fully, but from an outside perspective, I don't think that constitutional democractic govement is working very well.
The African Nations (Like Ouedraogo and Kongon), The Ostoman Empire and The Great Mongolian Empire are absolute monarchy's and they seem to be doing just fine, I think in some cases an absolute monarchy IS the correct way to go, not because it is the "Right and Best Form of GOvement" but because it is what the country needs at the moment, maybe with time these countries will adopt other forms of goverment, but I think at the moment, maybe an absolute monarchy is what they need.
You seen to be a very Anti Absolutism person, I am not, I don't support any goverment system over the other, to me they're all the same, with their benefits and flaws, I don't think one is better than the other, I think the one that fits at the moment is the one to go, this is not a justification from my part to say Hispania should be an Absolute Monarchy, as I stated, I am willing to change it and I might end up doing it, but I don't have a strong hatred toward Absolute Monarchy's to me they're just as good and bad as democratic goverments, not anachronic or barbaric, it's a legit form of goverment as much as a democracy is.
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Well, I'm anti absolutism because I'm from a country which lived 40 years of fascist dictatorship and still remembers the problems of having a person with absolute power on the modern times.
Also, since (despite being different) Strike witches includes some caricaturised versions of actual officers and politicians, I think it would be better for the plot, since several democratic leaders could be shown in Hispania, like the PM Azaña or general Rojo Lluch.
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Em... how do I say this: on the last two centuries we suffered about 5 civil wars (3 carlists wars, cantonalist war and SCW) because of political reasons and the only government kind that lasted more without mass repression was that. And on the period (1930s) the only one what could work (republican governments lacked of the support of most of the army -loyal to king- and most of the civilian population was against dictatorships/absolutism).
Of course we have problems with that and I think we should gradually move into a federal republic (that would solve some of the problems we have today).
And, yes, I'm anti-absolutist, just because my country and my family lived 40 years of fascist dictatorship and tell me how it was. My family was splitted into two in 1936 and, well, the republican part of the family was sent into prisions (more like the nazi concentration camps) or executed. And I've learned recent history of Spain. Massive imprisionments, executions of everyone having a different opinion, cavalry charges over civilian population... all those things happen in absolute monarchies. Sorry for all those, it just that... well, we the Spanish people use to take everything as personal.
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I see.
I can understand your dislike of an absolute monarchy, but I think you're confusing it with "Fascism" and you're lumping all absolute goverments in the same bag, which is not correct.
You can't compare the Franco regime to Mansa Munsa's reing in Mali, a fascist goverment is an absolute goverment no doubt, but not ALL absolute goverments are fascist, Fascism is an asbolute goverment fueled by extreme nationalism and extreme authoritarian ideals maxed with a big ego on the ruler's part, always a mix for dissaster and a lot of suffering, now I can understand you associating the two together as it seems the Spanish Monarchy had a hand in some capacity in the dictatorships that Spain had, but you have to take it OUT of the context of your country, this doesn't happen all the time and it didn't happen before Mussoline brought it to the world.
And what is this idea that "Democracy is better and everything should be chosen by the people" when the people are extremely devided or the parties are corrupt as fuck and don't give a shit about the people and can't agree on anything, A Democracy is a slow death sentence for that country.
What makes you think a democratic goverment is not capable of the evil acts a facist goverment is capable of? Because they represent the people? They don't give a shit about the people, they just care about themselves, and they will trample over the people to get what they want, both are capable of making the people suffer just as much, they might nto be sending people to camps or opressing them, but their ideological battles forgetting about the people they're supposed to represent damage and delays the development of countries just as much.
Democracies aren't the best form of goverment in the world my friend, maybe it is what spains need NOW, but don't kid yourself into thinking it is the ultimate form of goverment ever and nothing can top it, there are times where an absolute goverment IS necesary, there are times where a socialist goverment is the way to go.
It all depends on the region, the people and the circunstances at the moment, maybe a strong leader who holds a grip on the people will make them progress, or maybe a set of leaders to represent them on a parlament is what they need, who knows? It is up to variables.
This is why I say no goverment is better than the other, I am sorry you have this background and hatred for monarchies, I would probably have it too if I were in your shoes, but don't confuse Monarchies with Fascist Regimes, they're not the same thing, hell fascism doesn't exist in the SW universe (And neither does comunism, Orussia is STILL a monarchic empire) so don't worry about it, even if Hispania is an absolute monarchy, there is no ruler opressing people and sending Romani to concentration camps, just a king trying to do its best for its people and trying to protect his/her country from Neuroi, and being very supportive of Witches and that's it.
Plus I get the feeling countries with Absolute Monarchies are probably the safest places and easier places for Witches if you ask me.
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So it´s an absolute monarchy... well, I guess it could be worse.
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What's wrong with an absolute monarchy?
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Nothing, just that I find it curious. The spanish are quite divided if we should keep the monarchy (parlamentary) or give a try to a new republic, so... yeah, just curious.
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And on that period... I think that Hispania would be a constitutional monarchy on that period, changing from the actual Spanish history that, instead of flying from the country, the king Alphonse XIII would have abdicated on his son John, rising to the throne as "John III" and runing elections in order to get a democratic constitution. An absolute monarchy only would lead to a war.
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