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The longest nation ever, also Bernardo O'Higgings was a teenage girl AND a witch, cool isn't it?Anyway Enjoy!
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The catholic principes don't exists here.
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1. Bernardo O'Higgings, a national hero is portrayed as a teenage girl who practices witchcraft.
2. Mapuches are terrorists who steal lands in the south of Argentina.
3. Witchcraft goes against the catholic principles of the american-hispanic countries.
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First of all, this is an Alternate Universe, it is seen in the series "Strike Witches" and in there the main three abrahamic religions don't exists, they were destroyed before they could become a thing, meaning no catholicism here.
Second, it is a thing of SW to genderswap historical people (For example the Wright Brothers and James Watt were witches, so I applied the same to many of American's independance heroes (Save for Hidalgo, Bolivar and Morelos) that means yes, Witch O'Higgings (Bernarda O'Higgings), Witch Vicente Guerrero (Vicenta), Witch Santander (Josefina de Paula Santander), Witch Jose de San Martin (Francisca Martin) and so on, it is a common thing across the SW franchise.
There is a MUCH bigger native american presence in America (Or Liberion as it is called in the series) to the point that they constitude a huge percentage of the population as you can see in the image, because the hispanic conquerors didn't arrive with intentions to convert and supress their culture, they allowed them to continue and just had a pretty passive dominion over them, that's why their cultureh as persisted to the modern times, so the Mapuches here are not "terrorists" here.
And you know what? The world of SW is pretty awesome, women have absolute and full equality, there are almost no wars between humans, why would you when you have to fight an enemy like the Neuroi? Humanity is more united, neither Comunism nor Nazism came to exists, there was no inqusition, no black death, Liberion is a much more peaceful country and all the cultures that in our world were destroyed by your "Catholic Principles" are still here present and strong, so yeah, your catholic principles are not missed at all and hopefully one day, it'll be the case in our world.
If you don't like that, that is fine, but don't come here saying "Oh this is offensive because I am a preachy catholic", just move on to something else.
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1. You can't pretend western catholic values don't exist.
2. How does that make anything less offensive? By explaining that you just made things worse.
3. The spanish helped the natives preserve their cultures (the ones worth preserving, the other tribalist shit was deleted).
4. Ok, even if I disagree, I'll give you that mapuches are not terrorist in your timeline.
5. I'd really like to discuss that with you, perhaps I can change your mind or you can change mine.
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Yes I can, it is stated in the Timeline the province of Judea was destroyed around the time Jesus was douing his preaching, this effectively kills Christianism and Judaism in one blow, and it is also stated that Incidents began happening in the middle easts around the time the Rashidun Caliphate was expanding, thus eliminating Islam as well, and it is necesary because as your little racist tantrum demostrated, there is NO WAY those religions would toleratre the existance of Witches, paganism and witchcraft.
What part of "Alternate World" and "Fiction" do you not understand? Or the sole idea that a world where your religious stuff doesn't exists and "Paganism" rules as the dominant religious offends you so much?
That is your opinion, not mine or a general opinion, I don't find it offensive at all since those Catholic Values mean jackshit to me and I don't care about it, I'll do what I feel like it and if you don't like it or feel offended by it, carry on your way, I really don't care about the opinion of religious zealots like you.
Tribal bullshit? All cultural aspects are important, it is part of their cultures and if they can't respect that then that is not helping them at all.
I'd rather not, you give me an incredibly racist vibe, you hate Mapuches for no reason and call them terrorist, plus you're a religious zealot, I have Catholic friends who have NO problem with the world of SW nor feel offended by the concepts presented in the series, the fact that you are proves to me that you're the type of religious person that doesn't care about the beliefs and practices of other people, by calling what the natives do "Tribal bullshit", or in other words, a Religious Fanatic, you're the kind of person who give respectable and nice Catholic people a bad reputation.
Β I'd rather not talk to someone like you honeslty.
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1. When I say tribalist shit I mean sacrifice culture, rape culture, etc. In my opinion, that shouldn't be preserved.
2. I live Mapuche terrorism, they steal our land, hurt our economy and put bombs. I'm not against mapuche in general, I'm against mapuche violence, which is getting everyday more noticeable. You don't live here.
3. I'm not a catholic, but catholicism was very influential in western culture, paganism and witchcraft are not Harry Potter, they are often violent, uncivilized tribes who embrace rape, sacrifice and can barely sustain.
4. For your opinions, I can say you're a kid or just stupid.
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ALL cultures in humanity at some point did that as well, but you know what happened? They expanded their knowledge and perspective of the world and traded with other cultures and learned on their own "You know what? Maybe this is pointless" and that's how they progressed, but European didn't do that, they didn't come here and show them a different perspective and do a cultural exchange, they came here, saw this culture and said "They are savages because they're not like us" (As if they were the pinacle of Human Civilization) and said "Let's destroy them, they're worth nothing" instead of simply "Hey...that's their culture...what can we do?Let's let them be" if they had done that I can assure you, the natives would have left those practices on their own because the same happened with cultures in the old world.
They came here to conquer and impose themselves and that is the fact.
"I am not against Mapuche in General" scroll up and you will see how you started by saying and you keep using the term "Mapuche Terrorism", why not call it simply "Terrorism" by adding the "Mapuche" denomiation you are applying a negative trait to their entire culture, also...why are you here btw? I know one part is because you're apologizing for Catholicism (We'll get to this one later) but what else? Oh that's right, you came here and saw all this terrain in possesion of Mapuche people in the SW universe and that pissed you off didn't it? It pissed you off that some "Savages and Uncivilized tribes" had control over their rightful homeland as it should be and that's why it was offensive.
My ass you're not against Mapuche in General, you're racist against not just Mapuche but native americans in general as you keep refering to them as savages and uncivilized just because they practiced sacrifice and "Rape" (ALL cultures in humanity rape bud) which are not qualities to qualify a civilization as savage, they had knowledge and wonderful things to their cultures, you see the Lines in Nazca? No those weren't made by Aliens, they were made by the Nazca people using PURE MATHEMATIC, a civilization that did sacrifice had enough mathematical knowledge to do those gigantic lines in the desert, you're just a racist fuck.
If you're not Catholic why do you care? You tell me "You don't live here" as if "You don't live here, you don't have the right to have an opinion on the matter" you realize I can use that same logic with you and say "You're not Catholic, you don't have the right to be offended, let Catholics be the ones to judge this" and you know what, they've seen it and you know what the said? "I don't give a fuck" if a Catholic can look at this and say "It's ok" why can't you?
"Paganism" is just a term created by the Abrahamic religions to define all religions that aren't theirs, it doesn't necesarely mean "Witchcraft or Sacrifices" they consider Buddhism and Shintoism Paganism and those don't have sacrifice.
Hahaha....Yeah I am the stupid one...yet you don't understand how civilizations develop, you are racist and lump all Natives as Uncivilized despite the fact that they had impressive knowledge and achievements just because by your standards they are "Uncivilized" and you're not Catholic yet you're here getting offended in their name when as of now, no one has come here and complain about this, just you and finally...you don't even understand what paganism is.
Yeah...I think the stupid one here is not me.
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Β If I'm complaining about mapuches why would I say "My country is a victim of terrorism". The terrorism you hear in the media is in the Middle East.
Β You're putting words in my mouth, I respect very much the aztecs, mayas, tehuelches (many killed by mapuches), incas and tiahuanacos (exterminated by mapuches). There were and there are uncivilized tribes who practice witchcraft, cannibalism, polygamy, etc. Some tribes in India, the Chaco and the Amazon were never contacted and are still savage and don't even cover themselves.Β
Β I'm not a catholic, I'm part of another branch of christianity. I can't care about my culture and the origins of my culture because I don't respond to the Catholic church, I just love the way you think. I believe you're not an aboriginal, but you seem to care very much about people who kill and eat whoever isn't part of their tribe.
Β Because of people like you we are like this now, these things didn't happen in the '40s.
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If you only watch western programing then yeah, Terrorism is often associated with things going on in the middle east, but people who do know more about the subject can understand that ISIS is a terrorist organization but not all terrorist organizations are ISIS, so yeah if you tell me "My country in SOUTH AMERICA is victim of terrorism" I think it is pretty damn easy to understand you're not talking about ISIS, why would ISIS deal in South America? They have no bussiness there, all I would ask is "Who is commiting these acts" to which you would tell me "This terrorist organization called X".
You say you respect them....yet you constaly call them savages because according to your standards, they are, that's why I say you have disdain for them, you constantly contradict yourself in the same paragrah, also...those are some incredibly stupid standards, just because they do those things DOES NOT MEAN THEY'RE SAVAGES, you're using derrogatory qualitatives that both Romans (Calling the Germanic and Celtic Tribes Barbarians) and later Europeans used when colonizing other regions, but when you check the cultures they considered "Savages/Barbaric" you'll realize they were much more than, that, they have their own distinctive culture, they have their beliefs and religions, they have their own language and writting system...I think with just those 3 is more than enough to NOT call them SAVAGES.
A Savage is someone who is an animal, with no social structure and only survives following his instincts...that is a savage, the etnicities you mention, even the ones from the amazon....are not savages, is Cannibal Hollocaust your only insight to the cultures of these people or what? If a tribe develops a language to comunicate themselves, recording methods to store their customs and a set of believes to explain and interact the world around them, that means they stop being savages and become a civilized people.
Civilized =/= Culturaly advanced, that's just a term people use without really understanding what it means, but if you want to get technical, they're not savages.
Oh and don't play the "Exterminated by this Race" game because I assure you, the Abrhamic Religions are gonna lose that one badly, you respect them as long as they act like you and believe in the same bearded man in the sky you do, if they don't, they're savages...yeah, that's very respectful.
And that's why the things you say comes off as racist and derogatory and why I laugh at your claim of "I respect these people" you don't and you're either too oblivious or too stupid to realize it.
I reply to you because you're an ignorant narrowminded racist fuck who came here bitching about how this was so offensive for values you don't believe in promoting ideas you don't understand and you have a very poor knowledge of, and that pissed me off, mostly I am replying to dispel your ignorance really.
What are you talking about? What does this have to do with the 40s?
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The roman and celtic tribes often were barbarian. Most african tribes were too.
Β When I refer to tribes as savages I mean tribes like the Zo'e, the Qom, etc.
Before you start bitching about the crusades and others, not only I don't support that, but at least Christianity and Islam are explicitly against those things.Β
Β I'm tired of speaking to you, I know you're convinced you're right and I won't change that.
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The Catholic principles don't exists in this universe (Strike Witches).
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That doesn't justify anything, they exist in the real world.
PD: exist*
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