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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Kaijuemperor [2019-07-27 04:49:11 +0000 UTC]

Zamasu, Towa,... They could certain try a little harder.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Demigodofshinigami [2019-07-26 19:45:32 +0000 UTC]

After she was born.

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Demigodofshinigami In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2019-07-26 20:35:38 +0000 UTC]

So when she was a baby then?

Also, if both the Demon King and Dabura were keeping Towa's ambitions in check, then how is Xeno Dabura going to work?

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Demigodofshinigami [2019-07-26 21:27:45 +0000 UTC]

Very young of mind, at least. I'm not entirely sure if Shinjin age like normal beings so being vague about it.

She's already off the rails by that point. Dabra is no longer king either; Mira supports her ambitions.

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Demigodofshinigami In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2019-07-26 21:45:20 +0000 UTC]

I mean, ignoring Elder Kai due to the old witch he fused with, Gowasu looking elderly does at least suggest that the Shinjins can age, even if it takes eons for it to happen.

And I more meant the fact that Xeno Dabra is clearly helping Towa and Mira with their schemes along with the rest of the demons that were introduced, unless Xeno Dabra is just not going to exist within Redux's continuity.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Demigodofshinigami [2019-07-26 21:59:07 +0000 UTC]

It doesn't really suggest anything though. He could just have been born with unfortunately old appearance. No one makes any comments about him ever looking younger as far as I can remember, and there's nothing in the guides either. The most we get is jokes about Chronoa worrying about her age...but she doesn't actually look any older either, because she exists outside of time.

That is the answer tho. Mira is the one who rules the Demon World, and he's committed to her goals. So unless Dabra feels he can beat Mira, reclaim his throne and force them to stop (which he can't), he's got no right to stand against them.

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Demigodofshinigami In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2019-07-27 02:31:09 +0000 UTC]

So Dabra basically has no choice but to help?

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Demigodofshinigami [2019-07-27 04:19:00 +0000 UTC]

Like I said, he kept her ambitions in check when he had the power to as Demon King. Now he can either try to help make her plans go as smoothly as possible, or (probably) lose his life at the hands of Mira if he attempts to stop her. But she is family, so why die in vain.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Dragon-Cana-Love [2018-03-23 13:55:09 +0000 UTC]

Yes. A decision I made way back before we knew of their familial relationship. When we were getting the Makaio(shin) tidbits and it seemed like Shinjin were the ones who became those gods, perhaps suggesting that's what Online's content would've been leading up to. Now it's just something I haven't felt like reversing after Xenoverse's reveal that they were siblings and none of the new Makai content ever touched upon Makaio(shin) stuff.

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BH-Ouji In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2019-07-26 19:35:54 +0000 UTC]

Doesn't that make Fu their.....oh wait never mind

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to PervMasterSage [2015-07-12 07:39:54 +0000 UTC]

There will likely be a sequel to this one uploaded on Thursday with his new transformation, once Heroes God Mission 3 releases and we (hopefully) get a name for the form; even if it's just something like "Full Power".

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PervMasterSage In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2015-07-13 03:17:52 +0000 UTC]

I think I know what you are talking about, from the arcade game DBZ Heroes right? I think it's called "Out of Control Mira". There is a screenshot of him on Mira's page on the DBZ wiki. I would love to see more art/renders of him!

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to PervMasterSage [2015-07-13 03:50:57 +0000 UTC]

This is why I don't like the Wiki, because they state things as facts when that's not how the information is provided at the time. I was the one who went through the effort of finding that title in the game videos and it's actually the title of his card ability in that transformed state ("Out of Control Artificial Human"). We don't have a proper name for the form yet. It could end up being the same, but we won't know until Thursday...well, Wednesday outside of Japan.

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PervMasterSage In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2015-07-13 04:32:10 +0000 UTC]

Well of course we don't have the proper name yet, it has yet to be fully released. Not to mention its not coming out in America so English translation for certain things are left to fans. No reason to hate them, its a wiki devoted to everything Dragon Ball, cited sources speak for themselves. Its not like they make anything up out of thin air.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to PervMasterSage [2015-07-13 04:40:14 +0000 UTC]

I'm not talking about a proper English name, as I don't even use the English names. I'm talking about a name given specifically to the form and not the ability. For example, we wouldn't call Super Saiyan "Full Throttle Power" just because that was the ability of a Super Saiyan Goku card. So there's no reason to name Mira's form after his ability when we have a card of him transforming to be released in just a few days.

And yes, they do constantly make things out of thin air. I can name at least two dozen examples off the top of my head, and when you try to change the information to be correct or ask them for a source, they either change it back or tell you to find something that says they're wrong. When you do, they tell you that's not what it actually means and twist the information to fit their interpretation.

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PervMasterSage In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2015-07-13 23:05:13 +0000 UTC]

Well we already know what the SS is called, we don't name forms after attacks. Actually the name for Mira's form is currently called "Out of Control Artificial Human" and is subject to change because they are finding the correct translation. The wiki does not make things up, I'm very familiar with the wiki and its editors and they all take translations seriously. They don't twist anything to their own liking, they take translations seriously and go by official sources and compare other name spellings and interpretations. They go by fact, and if there are mistakes they are corrected. For major things like attacks or character names you can't just and go changing it without permission, bigger things like that need to be reviewed and discussed and compared to other sources. Everyone takes it seriously and several actually know Japanese and translate it. If they deny someone from changing something then they have a reason, they are open do different interpretations but they need cited sources and facts to go with it.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to PervMasterSage [2015-07-13 23:34:14 +0000 UTC]

You can't find a translation for text that technically doesn't exist yet. And they do make things up, all the time. Dabra isn't the same Demon King that's in Sandland, Beelzebub isn't Dabra's son, Dabra and Shura are not Makaio(shin), Genki Dama is NOT a punk on Denki Gama (which the people actually had an argument over with a native Japanese person on the talk page, just telling him he's wrong because they know better). The list goes on and on...

Anyway, I'm done with the conversation.

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PervMasterSage In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2015-07-15 16:13:58 +0000 UTC]

No reason get all huffy over this. We were having a pleasant conversation and you had to get at angry at the wiki for no reason.

Of course we don't have all the answers right off the bat, things change over time when new material pops up. Plus several of them actually know Japanese, so that helps.
Actually they are the same Dabura. We have cited sources for that, plus it was made by Toriyama and several of his one-shots will have a DBZ cameo of sorts. He gave Dabura a cameo. Also his son is confirmed to Beelzebub actually, its not that hard to understand.

Also they never said that Dabura and Shura are Makaio, they said its POSSIBLE BUT NEVER CONFIRMED. We say this because they each are demons who both hold the title of "Demon King", to which Makaio means "King of the Demon Realm". Once again, its possible but not confirmed, which they have clearly said so. Also Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) is a pun on Denki Gama, or the electric rice cooker in Japanese. In Dragon Ball, a lot of characters or attacks are food puns from either English or Japanese names. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the first two letters (G, D) are reversed to makes Denki Gama. I actually know a bit of Japanese myself, and it all makes perfect sense. Its a pun, get over it.

All this isn't too hard to get, really you don't have any reason to be like that to them, you are just nitpicking at things you for some reason don't like or agree with despite having Japanese sources saying otherwise.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to PervMasterSage [2015-07-15 16:37:58 +0000 UTC]

Like I said, conversation is over. You're just parroting the wiki's made up "facts", and the notion that you can claim to know better than a native Japanese fan about what is or isn't intended to be a pun when that's not your native language is terribly disrespectful.

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PervMasterSage In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2015-07-17 18:13:42 +0000 UTC]

Well clearly its not, you took a turn for the worse for some odd reason. And that's a very bias way of thinking, we are talking about a manga series for gods sake, whats wrong with you all of a sudden? You do know we have cited sources and official Japanese databooks to back up simple facts? And the anime and manga, and everything else from Japan to verify from. You really have no excuse for acting like this, if anything you are mad at them for not thinking in a bias manner like you are. Its not that hard to learn a language, its pretty simple. Don't talk about "native" Japanese they they are an indigenous tribe, that's just insulting. You aren't even Japanese to boot so you have no right to use that as leverage. I'll say it again, its a comic series we are talking about, no need to be a dink about it. Just because you can't understand Japanese or the verified sources we have doesn't make it false. You have this pointless bias against it for no reason.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Arty-Buu-Chan [2013-02-06 03:02:18 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that's him (assuming he did the job himself).

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Arty-Buu-Chan In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2013-02-10 15:25:51 +0000 UTC]

Hope the others find a way to solve it once and for all.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Yamato012 [2012-11-14 01:43:08 +0000 UTC]

Huh? Makai is a place, and I don't have anything listed for his race. So I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about...

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Yamato012 In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2012-11-14 01:53:09 +0000 UTC]

I mean is that guy a Makaioshin? From DBO.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Yamato012 [2012-11-14 01:57:33 +0000 UTC]

No. He was artificially created by Towa.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Noratcat [2012-07-07 22:20:55 +0000 UTC]

Took some work to transition him back into the old art style: [link] So round, so appropriately proportioned. lol

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T-R-L In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2012-07-07 23:31:02 +0000 UTC]

Nice! In that pic you showed he looks taller though.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to T-R-L [2012-07-07 23:47:53 +0000 UTC]

I explained part of this in the description already but...

That's because the art doesn't always match the in-game characters for DBO. The art almost makes him look like a normal, non-Toriyama styled person thanks to his normal anatomy/proportions, possibly making him closer to Piccolo's height.

In-game, Miira looks like he is basically just a skin on top of the same model as Trunks, Goku, the players, etc. becuase he's basically eye to eye with Bardock. I went with the in-game version because you see it more, but even then I shrunk him an inch or two to be close to Trunks, his Heroic counterpart.

If they ever produce an art book or have a cutscene that properly shows his height next to a normal character as clear as day, I'll probably resize him.

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T-R-L In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2012-07-07 23:50:59 +0000 UTC]

Makes me wish we actually had a anime special to tie in with the dbo story. He looks like a great villain together with that lady.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to T-R-L [2012-07-07 23:54:27 +0000 UTC]

He and Towas are a good looking pair. Too bad they aren't that great of a team in-game. lol

Rumors are flying since the next update for the game is so close. Supposedly we're getting another main character to interact with, another new lady similar to Towa...Thunder-Plot! HOOOO!

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T-R-L In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2012-07-08 00:00:12 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm I wonder, would the story make sense at all to cast into some sort of special/short series?

It's hard for me to keep up with it since I don't play the game.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to T-R-L [2012-07-08 00:16:41 +0000 UTC]

It could easily be made into a special as long as you are adapting it, like they do book for movies most the time.

"Trunks rescues kids who fall into time rifts, before he can bring them back home and drop them off, the time machine alerts them of a disturbance. Cue cat and mouse game of the events from the Time Machine Quests."

If they want a special that covers the plot from the present time instead of the past in that game, they can make a different one. Would be too complicated to try and weave it together in such a short movie.

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T-R-L In reply to The-Devils-Corpse [2012-07-08 22:24:42 +0000 UTC]

Sounds cool already.

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The-Devils-Corpse In reply to Roxas1345 [2012-07-08 06:27:14 +0000 UTC]

It's a rewrite of a shonen series, the heroes always win.

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