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NOTE: This is NOT saying that you can attain salvation by means of suffering! You can visit my page and read the salvation message in the upper left side of it. This stamp is more about the proper attitude a Christian should have towards living in this world. Thank you.Created onΒ makeagif.com/
The "earth" template stamp was created by Rhabwar-Troll-stock
This is a stamp request from my friend, Raised--By--Wolves , who wanted this quote in a stamp.
"I'd rather suffer on earth and be eternally joyful in heaven than to be joyful on earth and suffer eternally in hell."
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." - Romans 8:18
"According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." - Philippians 1:20-21
"Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ," - Philippians 3:8
"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." - 2 Timothy 3:12
If you are not quite sure if you are saved, and want to know more about how to become saved, feel free to talk to me about it.
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Nah, Hell seems more pleasant to me than wasting the life "God" gave to me that I definitely DID NOT ask for Β
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Why would you think hell is more pleasant?
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Eh, since I'm Biromantic asexualΒ (I like both males and females, but not in a sexual way) a lot of Christians have told me that being asexual is a sin because God made us to reproduce and liking both genders is also wrong, so I justΒ assumed that would be the place I'm goingΒ to end up anyways :/
So, if it'sΒ inevitably going to be the place I'll be stuck in for all eternity, why NOT enjoy it? Β Β Β Β
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It seems like a lot of those Christians failed to mention that all have sinned, which includes everyone of every sexual preference, be it asexual, bi, homo, hetero, or anything else that exists. Romans 3:10 tells us there is none righteous, and Romans 3:23 tells us that all have come short of the glory of God. Thus, it appears that everyone is headed for God's wrath.
But herein lies the good news.
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 tells us that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day for our justification. Romans 5:8 also tells us that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. There is no sin you or I could commit that would exclude us from receiving God's grace and forgiveness. Christ died for everyone so that we wouldn't have to go to hell. The fact is that nobody has to go to hell. Matthew 25:41 tells us that he'll is reserved for only the devil and his angels. Forgiveness of all sins is available to anyone, regardless of sexual preference, who would trust in Jesus Christ's work on the cross for their sins, and His resurrection. Hell is far from fun and enjoyable; that's why Christ paid for our sins on the cross, so we would have a way out of God's wrath.
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Oh. Well, that's relieving Β
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It is 
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I've found paganism to be much more liberating a empowering(I'm Pagan), but I respect your opinion on this.
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I'd rather suffer for all eternity in Hell than bow down to a God who condones rape and massacres children. You people seem to assume that if someone believes God EXISTS, they will automatically worship him. That makes no sense to me. I don't agree with the things God says and does, therefore I don't wish to worship him, even if he does exist. Are you going to try and censor my freedom to believe what I want to believe? Do I deserve to burn in Hell for having my own opinions?
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Okay...can you show me where I "tried to censor your freedom to believe what you want"? Why even ask such a thing? To the best of my recollection, I don't think I've ever tried to censor anyone from believing what they want. I believe we're all entitled to believe whatever we want, including me and you. My belief, according to the Bible, is that ALL (including me) have sinned and come short of the glory of God; that God showed His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us; and that believing on and trusting Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross for our sins will grant us eternal salvation. We don't deserve to burn in hell because of our opinions; we deserve to burn if we reject Christ's payment for our sins. Without Him, there is no forgiveness.
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My opinion is that Christ's "payment for our sins" is a bunch of shit, God is a genocidal maniac, and the Bible is disgusting. Will I go to Hell for holding that opinion?
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Yes, unfortunately, but if you believe the Bible to be "disgusting," why would you care about whether or not it even teaches a hell at all?
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So I am indeed going to go to Hell for my opinion. That's oppression and censorship if I ever saw it.
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But you don't even believe in hell. How can something that you don't believe exists somehow "oppress" and "censor" you? If you don't like something I say, why not just ignore me and continue believing what you want to believe? Again, I've done nothing to censor you.
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Oh no, I'm not saying I'm actually being oppressed or censored by it. I'm saying it exists in order to oppress and censor people. God threatens that if people don't agree with his opinions, they'll burn and suffer for all eternity. This is oppression because it is an attempt to curb their rights and freedoms, e.g. freedom of speech. It is censorship because it is an attempt to censor mockery and criticism ("blasphemy") of God. He literally threatens that people will go to Hell in order to get them to do what he wants. You support dictatorship and systematic torture. That is why I am objecting to you.
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- False premise; God doesn't send anyone to hell for having a different opinion. Opinions are irrelevant to Him; it's whether a person receives or rejects Christ's payment for their sins. A person can get a vast majority of the Bible wrong, but still go to heaven because of their faith (Eph 2:8-9, Rom 5:1).
- God's opinions aren't the issue, it's about truth. Jesus claimed to be "the Truth," not "the Opinion" in John 14:6. God is also always true (Rom 3:4), so again, His opinion is not even addressed. That same verse testifies that man is a liar when they are contrary to God, so whenever anyone lays a charge against God for any reason, they are automatically a liar.
- Actually, trusting the gospel and following the Bible (rightly divided) brings great freedom. John 8:32 says that the truth sets us free. Gal 5:1 says that Christ has set free those who believe in Him. And while blasphemy and mockery against God is definitely a sin, a Christian can still commit it, and still remain saved. If the Bible's goal was to censor people against blaspheming God, it didn't quite succeed. This leads perfectly into my last point.
- If the Bible was written to censor and oppress people, why is it that it teaches that a person is saved only by faith, and not by "sinning less"? This actually goes against the very idea of censorship and oppression. God will save a blasphemer in an instant (1 Tim 1:13), and not even threaten to send them to hell if they blaspheme after salvation. If the Bible teaches censorship and oppression, why is it that a person's destiny can change by mere faith, without the requirement to cease from sinning. See, if I wanted to write a religious book for the purpose of controlling people (like you claim is the Bible's purpose), I would make it entirely about your works, and not one word would be spoken about someone who already paid the price for you, and simply believing in them to be freed from the law (Romans 6). Does God command people to obey Him? Absolutely, but again, nobody is sent to hell for failing to do everything He says; it's entirely about receiving His forgiveness, or rejecting it.
TL;DR ---> Your works don't matter; it's faith alone.
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You are missing the point. I believe torture (burning in Hell) is wrong and I will not have "faith" in anyone who conducts or condones it. I hate God and that's my personal opinion, which I have every right to hold, yet apparently I will be tortured for it. God is a dictator who systematically tortures people for their opinions.
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lucky you, i suffer on earth and i'll suffer in hell
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You do have a choice about where you go after death.
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with my luck with christianity and the amount of sin i do, i'll probably go to hell.Β
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The number of sins you've committed bears no hinderance to whether or not you can be saved. Jesus Christ died for all of your sins on the cross (Ronans 5:8), and all of your sins can be forgiven (Colossians 2:13-14). The only condition that must be met is that you'd have to put your trust/faith in His finished work on the cross to save you from all of your sins. If this is something that does greatly concern you, then I have a section on my page explaining salvation in more detail.
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Why couldn't God just make us all joyful from the start? I think if the Bible is true, then free will was the worst decision God ever made. I would much rather be happy than have free will and suffer. If God didn't want us to disagree with him, he shouldn't have given us the ability to. There's no point making us suffer for something he allowed us to do!
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God did actually make man joyful from the start. Genesis 1:31 states that everything God had made was "very good." Adam's willful disobedience took away that perfect joy because sin had now entered the world. Joy and happiness are still possible in this world, but apart from a personal and saving relationship with Jesus Christ, it's imperfect and fleeting.
Honestly, I don't think sacrificing free will for happiness would be preferable to anyone. You would lose everything that makes you who you are and you would become a robot, essentially. Everyone in the world would be the same as each other, and there'd be no independent thought. Having free will allows us to be creative and enjoy some of the beautiful things in this world like music, art, nature, etcetera, and don't those things make us happy? I think having free will actually makes it possible for us to be happy and enjoy life. If God took away man's free will, then we would actually be far more miserable.
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Free will is really about how God wants us to come to Him on our own, not by forcing us.
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But God allowed sin to exist. Why? There's nothing good about sin, and if he's all powerful, he could just spray the planet with anti-sin spray or something. There's no need to allow sin in. It seems to me he just wanted to play a fun game of universe chess with the devil, and he doesn't care how many unlucky people and innocent animals get killed and tortured along the way.
No we wouldn't be miserable from not having free will, that's not how emotions work. Happiness is caused by chemicals, that's already been proven through antidepressants and brain scans, if God wanted to make us happy, he could do so with nothing more complex than Chemistry. Besides, God could've just given us partial free will, a set of of good options to choose from, and no possibility of stuffing up. Then we could still have scientists and artists and builders and all kinds of people, but without any evil. Surely that's a better option than 50% of the population burning in agony forever? I'd rather have partial free will than burn forever, heck I'd rather have partial free will than watch my friends burn forever while I sit in heaven too!
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Sin exists because the first man wanted it. God warned Adam that sinning against Him would bring death, but he did it anyways. Man chose death instead of life, and continues to do so today.
John 3:19-20
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."
Sin will be eradicated from the world eventually, but certain things must take place first. The catching away (rapture) of the body of Christ, then Daniel's 70th week/the time of Jacob's trouble (This is primarily for Israel's judgment and correction since most Jews still reject Jesus as their prophesied Messiah. This time of judgment is necessary to bring that nation back into a right standing with God). And then following that will be the Millennial reign of Christ. It has been prophesied since the Old Testament that He would have a physical kingdom on this earth. I don't remember exactly in which book the earliest prophecy is, but I know as far back as 1 Samuel 2:1-10; that passage describes what will happen when Jesus returns in the future after Daniel's 70th week and becomes king (If you want, check out Revelation 19:11-21 and see some of the similarities between the two passages). After that will be the Great White Throne Judgment, which is for everyone who ever lived that rejected God (Revelation 20:11-15). After this, finally, sin will be gone for good.
2 Peter 3:10
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
All sin will be destroyed, but given these calculations, it will not be at least for another 1,007 years.
Basically, the central issue is faith. A person can understand from the Bible that sin entered in through Adam (Romans 5:12), but still question why God created anything at all. Honestly, there is only so much I can answer about why God allowed sin to enter into the world and still allows it today. I can explain what the Bible says about it and believe it, but I can't give specific answers as to Β why God created anything at all (Revelation 4:11 is probably the closest answer I can give, but even that answer would still be too broad for others). Technically, God didn't need to create anything, and the whole issue of sin would never exist. I can't explain all the reasons why God created everything that ever exists, but I choose to believe that He had a good reason to.
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But God made man and man's priorities, they didn't just come out of a random wants generator. If man wanted sin, then it's God's fault for creating a man that, well, wants sin. If he didn't want us to be skeptical, why'd he made us skeptical? If he didn't want us to disagree with him, why'd he allow us too? If he didn't want us to be influenced by the devil, why didn't he just delete the devil or chuck them in a cage? It doesn't make sense.
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I know this is an old comment but God gave everyone free will. We wouldn't be much of anything if God controlled our thoughts and opinions.
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Why not give us the free will to choose between various good options? I'd much rather have restricted free will and not be at risk of eternal agony for doing what I was naturally programmed to do.
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Why not give us the free will to choose between various good options? I'd much rather have restricted free will and not be at risk of eternal agony for doing what I was naturally programmed to do.
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We are able to choose God. Itβs Satan who makes sin appealing. We are in a spiritual battle.
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That's kind of avoiding the question. Why not give us partial free will to choose between a few good options, but not to choose the bad ones? Seems like a good compromise between not torturing your own creations and still having them be individual to me.
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No, living without reference to Jesus Christ is revolting.
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living without reference to Jesus is as revolting as living with reference to Jesus. Just because you think you're gonna go to some magical kingdom in the sky doesn't mean you can't help make life on earth better today. If you are quoting Genesis please remember that in Genesis 1:3 it says that trees came before man however in Genesis 1:4 it says man came before trees.Β
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*looks at Genesis 1:3 and 1:4 and sees nothing about trees...*
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My bad, I meant Genesis 1 and 2
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There is no contradiction there. Genesis 2:4 starts a retelling of the creation account, but from a different perspective (2:5 says that there was no man yet, even though we read about God creating man at the Genesis 1.). When we read about God causing the trees to grow in Genesis 2:9, that is a reference to trees growing specifically in the Garden of Eden, which is mentioned in the previous verse. The trees in Genesis 1:11 and 12 refer to them growing over the earth in general, but not Eden (which is not mentioned in Genesis 1).
I hope that makes sense.
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Not really, but along with that there are other contradictions in the bible as well. I could list them all if I could.
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Eh, it's a bit long-winded for a stamp. Perhaps you could increase the animation speed?
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I might later.
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Heh, seeing as this is a quote I came up with, I made this more as a "would you rather" sort of thing. Christians can and are very joyful, no denying that, but if I could chose in a would you rather scenario this is what'd I (and many others, looking at these comments) would choose.
If that didn't make sense... well I'm writing this at three thirty am >.<
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I agree with that too; we can be joyful on this planet, and we should be exhibiting some joy since joy is one of the characteristics of the fruit of the Spirit.
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It's by HisΒ Grace we saved !!!! But what gets Me is there folks who think hell will be one big party !!!!!
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I know, right? Hell is FAR worse than what we can imagine. People that mock it and make fun of it as though it were some joke make me incredibly angry and sad. This is why we have to warn them about it!
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I always suffer because I fear I will suffer on the flame's world.
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I mean (h e l l) I usually avoid cussing.
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Do you believe someone can lose their salvation?
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