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TheSsssFactor — Eve's Insides v2.0
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After some thought and a chat with I decided to upload this messier version of pretty much the same thing ;v;Primary differences are:
-TWO hearts; the first is located in the chest cavity while the second heart is located close to the ‘join’ between human and snake bodies. The anterior heart is responsible for most of the blood circulation to the upper torso, drawing most of its oxygen from the left lung which shares the upper body, while the much larger second heart circulates blood through the correspondingly larger lower body, with the huge right lung serving as its primary source of oxygenated blood. It can be said that the naga have the heart of a human, but also the heart of a snake.
-Tail: To facilitate use of the tail as an effective striking weapon, the scales on the tail are large and hard, providing strength at the cost of some flexibility. Four scales at the tail's very tip are flanged outwards and have sharp outer cutting edges, similar in principle to some variations of medieval maces. These provide wounding ability in addition to the blunt trauma caused by the lashing tail. The muscles that drive the tail in combat are remarkably strong and the end of the tail can reach an impact velocity in excess of 60 miles per hour when swung at full force.
Plus little details on the existing things~~
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Flam-san, now you're talking! The reason I made the lungs that way is because snakes have a lung design like that - a very long right one which does most of the breathing, and a very small, often dysfunctional left lung. A single long lung fits better in their long shape. In Eve's case I made the left one functional too - I guess to make it more humanlike. I guess upper and lower works too!
Very good argument on the diaphragm! However the thing about snakes, and all reptiles and birds, is that they have no diaphragm. The lungs are inflated by muscular action in the body wall. I figured the right lung would work that way. The left one... I guess she needs at least half a diaphragm, doesn't she? I actually didn't think that out. You got me there Now it'd be impossible to fit a diaphragm in there because of that huge stomach, but perhaps she has a system by which her right lung, on the in-breath, draws air also into the left? The left of course would fill up faster than the right, and so when it's full the rest of the in-breath would go into the right.
I designed the tail scales after a crocodile's back plates actually. They're hard and they allow a good degree of motion between them, enough that the animal needs. I do think you have a good point - a greater range of motion would allow for more power in the tail's whipping action, no?
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I don't know snakes that well so I'm really not too sure about the lungs. I kinda was admittedly assuming that snake's have similar physiology to humans~
Haha maybe she could have a smaller stomach? Or perhaps lengthen her body a bit more so that you could fit that part of the lung in?
Thats true since a larger range would mean a bit more force from the tail whip. On the other hand, admittedly most you wouldn't normally actually need that extra range? Cause if you're not going to penetrate the armor of the target at 60MPH, I don't think you're getting through at 61MPH
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Well, now you know something new!
Haha, I think I'll stick to my shared-airflow design. It's less complicated and I don't have to do any more organ-mashing
I do think the tail is flexible enough for its needs. The thing about natural systems is that form follows function. If you can deal a big hurt on your enemy by whipping at 60mph, why go 70mph? If it's not needed, it won't appear~
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Well true. At the same time, evolution won't remove any traits that don't affect the organism's ability to reproduce. Its similar to how human's still have an appendix despite the fact that its more or less useless with our current day diet. So if a snake in the gene pool had a tail that could whip at 70mph and another that could whip at 60mph, assuming both end up killing whatever they strike, both should still be able to reproduce at will.... I THINK? So I think it should still end up 50:50 in the ability to reproduce? (Correct if I'm wrong, I'm not as confident in Biology than Physics...)
Haha and the form follows function reminds me of my Bio lecturer. "Structure to Function!" he would say and it does make sense. The cell would adopt a structure that would allow it to perform its function to maximum efficiency~
Yah I think that the flexibility is sufficient too. Was just tossing ideas about~
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Who the hell has more than 1 heart?! I mean, that's screwed up! Even in a cryptid as beautiful as her.
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She needed it! It'd be physiologically impossible for her to function with that tiny one from before. Anyway, two hearts, twice the love!
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So, and not to be morbid, but what happens if she loses a heart? Can she use the other and survive with at least 1 like a human kidney?
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Flamyuki has got it right, assuming that she survives the loss of a heart. The loss in blood pressure would cause her death in minutes if not seconds.
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Actually I have a question. Would it actually kill her? I just thought that the extremities would suffer necrosis? Not her complete death?
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To both of you - I'm really not sure, to be honest. There is an animal with four hearts, and it's called the hagfish. It's a very ancient kind of fish. But no one has ever done any experiments to see what would happen if it lost a heart or two.
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In my opinion, and not to be cruel to any animals, I think they should see. If it still lives, that is.
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Earthworm? I hear that if you cut it in 2 both halves can still function because it has multiple hearts?
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Hm, if you're talking about cutting in half, also take note that an earthworm doesn't have a single brain like a "higher" animal, but a central nervous system that runs most of the body length. So if you chop it in half both halves are "conscious." It also depends on where you cut; if you cut it beyond a particular spot the creature dies. You also have to consider the earthworm's remarkable regenerative capabilities.
Since Eve's a large creature, her blood pressure is high, so if she lost a heart say if it were punctured, the loss of pressure would mean she would bleed out in seconds. I daresay if her upper heart were to stop beating she might be able to sustain some life, but not for particularly long compared to a healthy naga. If the lower heart were to stop beating she would die of asphyxiation. Not enough power/volume in the small upper heart to circulate through the entire body.
Eve: "W-why are we discussing my death? Stop it, stop it!"
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I.... have to agree with Eve here... We're sorta talking about the optimal way of cutting her without killing her outright?!!
Alternatively, would a larger heart suffice? Like how a whale has a really large heart? In that way you could get the same blood pressure required but then you would only have 1 heart to protect when you get into a fight?
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Well, I kinda envisioned that the lower body would have a higher blood pressure than the upper one, due to size? I mean, that's a normal-sized human torso on a very big snake. Differences in pressure being separated by complex valve system... so two hearts were necessary. Or perhaps you do have a point.
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Makes sense. The upper body is significantly smaller than the lower body so you would need more blood pressure towards the lower body. I was working more along the lines that you want fewer areas to actively protect if you got into a fight, cause 2 hearts is harder to protect then one~
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My brain hurts thinking about all of it. IGNORE ME!
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Dammit, I just said to ignore me! IGNORE ME!
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Ignoring people is rude~ So I shall continue to talk with you about biology
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I don't think you get the reference to Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged by LittleKuriboh. -_-
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Probably true~ The last time I watched Yu-Gi-Oh! was about 8 years ago... Only the up to and including the duel city arc
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I'm talking about the abridged counterpart.
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Haha okay I give... I have no idea about this one... Was it before or after Duel City?
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I'm not talking about any story arcs. I'm talking about a popular Youtube theme done in several different anime.
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O.o Okay then I really would never have heard of them...... >.<
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I mean if she has some sort of heart problem. Not like losing it in battle.
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Nope cause the lose of one heart would mean that there isn't enough blood pressure to pump blood to all parts of the body. SO! The really far external parts of the body wouldn't receive enough blood and necrosis would set in on those parts. Think of it as losing heart=losing tail~
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Well, thanks, but that's not what I meant.
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Haha okay. I apologize for hijacking your and TheSsssFactor's conversation~
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No need to apologize. You just stated what was part true. I was asking if she can live off 1 heart like a human kidney if 1 of said hearts was undergoing problems.
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Oh haha okay. I'm not too sure then, maybe she can live like an earthworm?
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Well, only TheSsssFactor knows
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Haha! I chose that figure because there was a program detailing that humans can swing machetes at 59 MPH... considering the swinging motion should be similar!
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But... I thought snake's strike faster?
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Yes, regular sized ones can strike with more speed. But considering how big Eve is, plus this being the whipping motion of the tail and not the striking motion of the head, I thought 60mph would be a good figure!
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Haha I dunno actually. I just remember seeing some documentaries where the snake strike is basically a blur. Like you don't see the snake striking because its striking so fast~
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Yup, they can do it pretty fast~ Know, though, that there isn't a snake that hits with its tail. Snakes bite. Tail-striking is more a lizard thing~
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Yah I know that. Snakes bite while Lizards tail whip. But then, I don't think Eve would be very good at biting things? (Like other people~)
But then theres also the python(was it?) that strangles its prey rather than biting?
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Lots of lizards can pull a hefty crunch as well, especially the bigger ones~
Eve's pretty normal above the hips so you'd be right~
Constrictor snakes (the group that includes pythons) kill by inducing suffocation and circulatory collapse in their prey, yes. But they do bite, and very strongly too. They strike and bite to capture their prey and once its firmly in the mouth they can throw their coils over and squeeze.
***WARNING: VIDEO MAY BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR SOME VIEWERS***
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJZefX…
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Hmmm.... I hadn't realized that lizards could bite.
The video was interesting (It really was a blur when the snake was biting the mouse) though honestly, I kinda liked the mouse, it looked rather cute.... Though I have a question, are constrictor snakes venomous?
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Yeah, that's why I don't keep snakes... I don't want to kill for their sake, you know? They are hunters and it is best for them to kill what they need in the wild rather than living in a cage eating mice bred just to feed them~
Most constrictor snakes aren't venomous. But all snakes have teeth and you still wouldn't want to be bitten anyway... for instance, a python's teeth...
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Note: Apparently this was a python that got into a farm in Africa, ate a goat, and tried to get out. But since its stomach was bigger it couldn't pass under the electric fence and got shocked. It turned to attack the source of its pain and got electrocuted to death, hence why its teeth are stuck in the fence
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Yup yup being bitten by any snake isn't fun~
I know python's can swallow things many times bigger but whats the limit before it can't swallow its prey? Cause a goat seems, rather overkill for its size?
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I'm not exactly sure of maximum capacity because of conflicting sources. But I do know that pythons regularly swallow goats without any problems ... until the humans catch and kill them that is. There's this video of an anaconda that swallowed a young bull and another bigger one that swallowed a tapir, see if I can find the link...
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Thats.... rather a big meal huh? But, how does it digest the goat? Doesn't seem efficient cause the animal is so big so the enzymes shouldn't be able to work very efficiently? I mean, wouldn't it end up something along the lines of taking months to digest the goat?
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Yeah, it is! They have their ways, they have powerful gastric acids and a very efficient digestive process. I am not sure of how long exactly digestion will take but it is usually a few weeks. And thanks to the cold-blooded slow metabolism they can live off that meal for months.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSCavU…
You can see how the anaconda vomits because its is being harrassed. It does so to lighten up so it can get away faster
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But in that case, wouldn't it be hard for the snake to move around with that large bulge? I mean, like that anaconda that you sent me, it couldn't get through the electric fence because of the size of the goat in its belly?
Eh?? Live off the meal for months?! Wow, you could save a lot of time eating if human's could do that.
And that video.... JUST HOW STRETCHY IS A SNAKE'S SKIN?! It kinda looked like a balloon when it was vomitting out the tapir...
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They are very vulnerable after eating something big. They will lie around under cover to digest because that's the time predatory animals can overpower them easily. And that's why they puke everything if disturbed.
That's an advantage of having cold blood - energy economy. Energy from meals does not need to be diverted to maintain homeostatic warmth like in warm-blooded creatures,. To put things into perspective, a big python or anaconda can survive by eating three meals a year, or fewer, whereas we humans have to eat nearly every day.
The digestive tract and skin is EXTREMELY elastic so they can swallow big things! Hehe~
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