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Description Because 'tis better to laugh, than to weep.

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My first reaction to the casting list was mild annoyance.

Then I read the reactions of my fellow Avatards, the minority fans who found a touchstone in this series.

I am not the black girl who rejoiced to find--for the first time--a relatable animated heroine of a race similar to her own. I am not the minority parent who will have to explain to his children why their heroes don't look like them anymore.

But I can still be frustrated, disgusted, and infuriated on their behalf--and on my own behalf, at the realization that this choice was made "for" me and people like me, white fans who love this show for its diversity and yet are expected to avoid the movie if it displays the same quality.

(I'm leaving Shyamalan off the hook for now--directors often don't have much say in casting, and his brown daughters' love for Katara was what got him interested in the first place. I assume he's as crushed as we are by this.)

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For the record, yes, there is something you can do. The casting call ain't over till the Cabbage Man sings.

To folks with something to say--let's keep the comments on this as mature and sensible as you awesome people always do in this little gallery of mine. Peace, y'all.
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Comments: 246

Skeleton-Horse [2009-07-07 07:01:33 +0000 UTC]

I have no idea which anime you're referencing, but I LOLed at the gAang's reactions to being whiteified. Especially Sokka's. Well done, you! Plus, I just realized that I haven't checked out the actual cast list for the movie yet. Alls I know is that they're white. Let's go see just how bad it is... *clicks over to IMDb* Hmm, okay, at least Zuko, Iroh, and Zhao are being played by nonwhite actors. And the Iroh actor was in Iron Man! That's one of my favorite movies! Although this brings up another problem... the ol' "White= Good Guys, Nonwhite= Bad Guys" thing. Avatar subverted that by making the villains very light-skinned and having two of the main protagonists be dark-skinned. Now they've gone and flipped it back again. Siiiigh...
What else do we have here? Ohhh, gross, Sokka's being played by one of the Twilight actors! Ew! Get the Twilight cooties off meeeee! *shouts "Nice artwork!" over her shoulder while running for the anti-Twilight spray*

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TobuIshi In reply to Skeleton-Horse [2009-07-10 21:31:56 +0000 UTC]

That....pretty closely parallels my reaction, honestly. And the anime character saying hi in the last panel is Ichigo...the main character from "Bleach".

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B6L6U6E [2009-07-04 04:13:34 +0000 UTC]

I love how Aang didn't change at all.

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TobuIshi In reply to B6L6U6E [2009-07-15 09:00:27 +0000 UTC]

*chuckles* Well, being Asian, he--like Zuko--went about two shades lighter in skin tone.

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B6L6U6E In reply to TobuIshi [2009-07-16 02:44:11 +0000 UTC]

Lol.

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Spring-Heeld-Jim [2009-06-25 09:44:44 +0000 UTC]

I don’t understand how anyone can honestly be surprised. If extremely recent history has taught us anything (DBZ). Its that tryng to adapt an animated series or video game into an live action feature is a one way train to fail city. Stopping at ethnicity changevill, upper plot abandonment and fan-rage station.

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TobuIshi In reply to Spring-Heeld-Jim [2009-07-15 09:03:32 +0000 UTC]

Still, if we stop voicing our anger, nothing will change. It's more than a fan issue, it's a human rights issue--Asian actors deserve leading roles as much as anyone, and Asian consumers deserve strong role models and a variety of representation in the media.

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mangosmiles In reply to ??? [2009-05-02 01:14:48 +0000 UTC]

I'm very unhappy with the casting choices for the live-action movie. Dev Patel as Zuko? Seriously people, WTF?! And Jackson Rathbone as Sokka? That's just ridiculous. They've gotten it the wrong way around. The actors have a lot of expectations to live up to, I get that. But they should at least look a little bit similar to the original characters. I swear, if they screw Zuko up... *!@%#
Stupid retarded moronic casting director piece of crap >

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Chakolite-G [2009-04-18 03:25:10 +0000 UTC]

you're right
what's up with the cast list?
and i'm okay with jesse mccartney
but y is he playing zuko??

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TobuIshi In reply to Chakolite-G [2009-04-19 12:14:53 +0000 UTC]

Well, fortunately he isn't anymore. But they've given the role to Dev Patel, who is a brilliant actor (hooray!) and not a white boy (hooray!) or an established teen heartthrob (hooray!), but still a pretty inappropriate ethnicity for an East Asian character (boo...) and the decision has now made the story into "heroic white kids save the world from evil brown race" (triple boo). >.>

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Chakolite-G In reply to TobuIshi [2009-04-20 01:34:48 +0000 UTC]

wow that was unexpected lol

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avatarangel22 [2009-03-14 06:36:32 +0000 UTC]

Taht is so true! lol!

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Waterbender6 In reply to ??? [2009-03-11 21:53:41 +0000 UTC]

Thank God for make up, or none of them could pull off their roles.
The show doesn't have half the diversity that everyone thinks it does. Take out all the coloring and leave the line art and you get!
Brothers Zuko and Sokka, with refined Swedish like faces!
Katara and Ty Lee, sisters to the bitter end!(And very polish looking too!)
Shall I continue?
I'll admit that Jesse McCartney has a VERY similar facial structure to Zuko, but he could not pull off the "walking on wet sand" voice that Dante Bosco gave Zuko. (I ADORE that voice)

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zwazoa In reply to Waterbender6 [2009-04-22 05:05:07 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry I mean no disrespect. I just wanted to let you know that it is actually EXTREMELY offensive to ALL minorities when white actors (just referring to this case) put on makeup to look as if they're another race. It's called 'yellowface' for east asians, "brownface" for south asians/middle easterns, and "blackface" for african americans. Hollywood has been doing it for a LONG time. Just wanted to let you know. If you wiki any of those terms you'd get some disturbing realities.

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TobuIshi In reply to Waterbender6 [2009-03-11 22:19:41 +0000 UTC]

You really think their faces look Swedish and Polish? Having spent some time drawing all these characters, I've always found the strong, square lines of Sokka's cheekbones and jaw and his slightly wide nose to be very Native North American. Likewise to Katara's full cheeks and rounded jaw--she's very like the lovely old photographic portraits of Inuit women.

I could continue, as well, but if we're seeing things that differently, I suspect there's a fundamental disconnect in our frames of reference that might preclude a constructive debate. Suffice to say, firstly, that taking away the coloring is rather the problem here, not the solution--coloring is very relevant to these characters' ethnicity--and secondly, that even if you did take away the coloring, you'd have to take away the costumes, the hairstyles, the surroundings, and the ambient culture as well, to come close to convincing me that Northern European heritage could have anything to do with Avatar.

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Waterbender6 In reply to TobuIshi [2009-03-11 22:47:17 +0000 UTC]

My point was that these characters have very Caucasian features. It's very typical in Americanized Anime. The culture is a mix between European and Asian, the strength of either depends on what village or nation your talking about.
However the diversity in Avatar is not that great, compare it to our world and it is actually a pretty homogeneous planet.

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Koalois In reply to Waterbender6 [2009-03-18 00:10:29 +0000 UTC]

I'm not really finding these features that you're finding. Just as Toblushi said "Sokka and Katara's features do not look Caucasian to me; they look quite believably Inuit. Likewise, Zuko, Iroh, Toph and Mai look very East Asian, for some other examples." I even see what appear to be more Taiwanese mixed with japanese features in Ty Lee, than I do caucasion.

I guess I'm not trying to say that there aren't any european influecnes, but the fact that they chose an entirely caucasion cast for certain characters who are obviously Asian or Native, is very....exclusionary (? if that's a word). God knows there are pleanty of good Asian and Native actors out there.

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gingergirl63 In reply to Koalois [2009-03-19 04:09:57 +0000 UTC]

I'm quoting the creator of Avatar the Abridged Series here....

"Now, there are some of you β€”despite their clothes, homes, written language, food, customs, philosophies, and, in many cases, general appearanceβ€” may think that these characters may be 'white' in the show because they can't be 'roven' to be asian or inuit... Even if they did everything short of slap a sticker on their foreheads."


I defiantly agree 100%

They should recast this TOTALLY. Lets make a fresh start, shall we?

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TobuIshi In reply to Waterbender6 [2009-03-12 19:01:45 +0000 UTC]

Yes, but I've already stated some valid disagreements with that point. Sokka and Katara's features do not look Caucasian to me; they look quite believably Inuit. Likewise, Zuko, Iroh, Toph and Mai look very East Asian, for some other examples. There are many, many more.

I'm not sure where you're seeing European influences, either. Could you state some examples? It seems like a modern, idealized North American interpretation of a very Asian, if mix-and-matched, world.

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Koalois In reply to ??? [2009-02-15 21:46:28 +0000 UTC]

I'm really sad , This kind of broke my heart because you don't find to many Native American inspired heros (sokka and katara), that don't get killed off and, now it's been ruined for me.

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TobuIshi In reply to Koalois [2009-03-09 09:29:04 +0000 UTC]

You really don't find nearly enough. I've considered incorporating Native American aspects into a fantasy novel I'm putting together, but there's such a fine line between paying tribute and just culturally appropriating...

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Koalois In reply to TobuIshi [2009-03-10 21:26:49 +0000 UTC]

too true sometimes it's just hard to figure out which way it's meant to be taken. One time in a class of mine, we were watching a movie about a cheorkee tribe, no one was paying attention, but the teacher picked me out and told me to stop talking and pay attention because "it concerned me". I'm not cherokee, I'm ojibwe. I didn't really know what to think of that.

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TobuIshi In reply to Koalois [2009-03-11 22:24:50 +0000 UTC]

Hunh. I suppose an argument could be made for Native American culture being an important study for all members of assorted first-American nations, rather like how I ought to know about European culture in general if I'm going to understand my roots in context? But...that may be giving your teacher too much credit for deep thought. Sounds more like (s)he was cheerfully telling an Italian to study up on her ancestral French. Way to go, public school system. -_-

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Koalois In reply to TobuIshi [2009-03-17 23:44:07 +0000 UTC]

Hah hah, thats a good way to put it! I feel that stuff like this happens alot, not just to me but to alot of people, at least people I know. One of my friends is Filipino and people are constantly calling her Chinese, same goes for my friends who are Korean. I'm not sure if that's just the fact of people truely not knowing or if it's just plain ignorance. Either way I believe some education is needed in these situations.

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TobuIshi In reply to Koalois [2009-03-18 01:07:06 +0000 UTC]

Seriously. I majored in Japanese Studies, which required a certain amount of study of other Asian cultures for context, and took a semester course in Native North American Cultures, so I'm more educated than most...but until study of those areas of world culture is as mandatory as study of the history of Europe and North America, we're never going to get very far...

(In all fairness, it's not a phenomenon unique to America. There's an ongoing problem in Japan with people persistantly addressing anybody who is obviously not Asian in English, since that is the language that all foreigners speak. This makes life a little difficult for the assorted black, brown, and white people residing in Japan who are quite fluent in Japanese but hardly know "Good morning, and how are you today?" from "Screw you and your reputationless aunt.")

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Jelleebelly In reply to ??? [2009-02-13 21:53:16 +0000 UTC]

Apparently there was a conflict in J. McCarty's schedule and he wont be zuko, now Zuko is to be played by the leading guy from the movie Slumdog Millionaire. His first name is Dev I think...

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kitty1873 [2009-02-03 01:17:06 +0000 UTC]

YAY CROSSOVER!!!!

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TobuIshi In reply to kitty1873 [2009-02-03 11:33:53 +0000 UTC]

*grins* Thank you for the simple, pleasant reaction.

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CeruleanSan [2009-01-27 13:08:51 +0000 UTC]

You know, I hardly think an all-white cast, with Jesse McCartney of all people as Zuko, is about "talent", as people are trying to rationalize.

For a country that boasts on being advanced, America certain fails to live up to it.

Indian Bollywood has plenty of racism towards the whites, but they don't boast about how much equality their country has.

Honestly, honestly... the racism is blatant here... All-white cast, yeesh.

I mean come on... that chick from Love Actually? perfect, perfect Katara. About the right age too. They found her for Love Actually >_>;... Avatar shouldn't be a problem.

And anyhow, if anyone's planning to attack me for this, don't bother, I'm not a huge Avatar fantard nor will I be watching the movie (Unless maybe the cast somehow actually does get changed). But I just find stuff like this incredibly funny, and I still wonder how people try to justify it.

Anyhow, props for this Tobu... and my post may be veeery jumbled... It's so late that it's early dawn.

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TeraSullen In reply to ??? [2009-01-24 05:47:28 +0000 UTC]

I say, that if they continue with the cast, after our letters, that we shouldn't go see it.. It's simple

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TobuIshi In reply to TeraSullen [2009-02-02 02:01:11 +0000 UTC]

Quite so! It's important to get the word out to all the non-fans, too, though. One fandom boycott won't hurt their box office that much if they advertise well enough...but a touch of scandal could sink this mess and force them to reconsider.

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Sarcastic-Ninja [2009-01-18 06:03:14 +0000 UTC]

Actually, M. Night Shyamalan was inchaarge of directing, writing, and casting. So no offense to you at all but I;m fully blaming him....-grabs pitch spork and happily leads the angry mob to Shyamalan-

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TobuIshi In reply to Sarcastic-Ninja [2009-01-19 15:04:57 +0000 UTC]

Was he? Where'd you find the info? I'd love to see a full list of who's responsible for what in this production. (Besides knowing who to be annoyed with, it would give me a good idea of where to send my letters of protest. The modern, nonviolent equivalent of the pitchfork, huzzah!)

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Sarcastic-Ninja In reply to TobuIshi [2009-01-19 21:00:18 +0000 UTC]

Well, I first heard about the Casting list from Avatards Anonymous, who called it "M. Night Shyamalan's Casting List"

I'm sorry, but I haven't found any full lists of who is directly responsible for anything (Please let me know if you do). But on several websites where I found info about the movie, they said that it was to cast, directed, and written by Shyamalan. And in an interview with Mike Bryan, and Shyamalan, they asked him if he had any ideas for how he was going to cast it.

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TobuIshi In reply to Sarcastic-Ninja [2009-01-29 04:18:03 +0000 UTC]

*nods* It's industry standard to hand casting off to someone else, though, unless the director has the clout and the desire to hand-pick their leads...

...and I'm not sure M. Night has that clout at the moment. Let's face it, every one of his films since "The Sixth Sense" has gotten progressively worse reviews. He may have managed to snag this job, but after the way "The Happening" tanked and burned, he might be helpless at the mercy of the executive board right now...and they may not be in the mood to tolerate him trying to steer the proceedings.

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Sarcastic-Ninja In reply to TobuIshi [2009-01-29 20:27:21 +0000 UTC]

-nods in agreement-

I hoping that he will mess up the first one so badly that they will break the contract and not give him any money for the other two. Or he get's hit by a commet. Either way.

Oooooh, The Happening was awful...the plot was completely random and made no sense, the characters and their relationships were just...ugh...the whole thing was very very stupid, and awfully done. I even started laughing at how random some parts were during it. And I got odd looks and glares...

The one thing I did like was the scentific aspect, that was cool. But the entire movie besides that was 100% fail.

Eh...sorry for ranting! ..bad directors do that to me...

I know a lot of people are really upset that they didn't have any Asian actors, to keep the cultural diveristy of the show, and I'm fairly peeved about that, too. But not nearly as much as I am about the actual actors in general. I mainly care about whether they're great actors that can do justice to roles. And I was definetly let down there. That's what I'm most angry and upset about, though I really do thiink that they should've tried to find some awesome new Asien actors to star in it.

Well...if pretend that they're just making a parody of Avatar, then it bisn't that bad..lol....

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Mewbalie In reply to ??? [2009-01-12 01:31:37 +0000 UTC]

you said a mouthful there, my friend, and this little brown girl couldn't agree more.

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TobuIshi In reply to Mewbalie [2009-02-02 02:05:56 +0000 UTC]

Thank you (and sorry for the late reply)! There's always an element of worry in commenting on things like this, being the little white girl that I am. I figure I can at least express my anger at the assumptions these folks are making about what I want to see, and hope I'm in line with the folks who are really getting knocked down by this...

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Mewbalie In reply to TobuIshi [2009-02-02 14:50:01 +0000 UTC]

it doesn't make a difference who it is that is making their opinion known. it's a matter that needs attention by all people.

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TobuIshi In reply to Mewbalie [2009-02-03 09:17:12 +0000 UTC]

It really is. I wish more people would see it that way.

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Katy-L-Wood [2009-01-12 00:44:53 +0000 UTC]

this comic is made even funnier by the fact that there isn't a single blond in the entire show.

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TobuIshi In reply to Katy-L-Wood [2009-01-12 00:55:50 +0000 UTC]

Glorious, isn't it? How many series can you say that about? (As opposed to, say, the number of series without a single black, Asian, Latino, Native American... )

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Katy-L-Wood In reply to TobuIshi [2009-01-12 01:23:27 +0000 UTC]

none that i can think of...

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vectorsmash In reply to ??? [2009-01-07 03:38:15 +0000 UTC]

Whoa, that's a good point about Shamallama not being too involved with casting... although it's sad to hear about. Hopefully, if the casting for the Gaang is final, than it's because of the acting skills, and not because of the popularity issue.

... Hopefully.
As well as for my own two cents, I wasn't expecting an all-asian cast at all. But I really wasn't expecting an all-white cast... Now, Aang's choice for now was fine with me since I know they primarily chose him because he's also very involved with martial arts... But it really would have been cool to have Native-American descendents as Sokka and Katara.

LET'S JUST HOPE FOR THE BEST

Also, I really love how you drew yourself in this. xD Your expressions are fantastic.

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TobuIshi In reply to vectorsmash [2009-02-02 02:10:24 +0000 UTC]

Hah--I'm glad to get a comment on the art for this! It's a pretty charged piece, so it's not surprising that most of the comments pertain to that message, but I did work hard on the facial expressions, so...thank you! (I'm very rubbery-faced in real life, so consider it fairly accurate? )

And yeah, I was kind of expecting a white Aang because That's The Way Hollywood Is (see: Dragonball Evolution, the Karate Kid, the Last Samurai)...

...but this cast list hit me like an upended bathtub-full of reeking salmon when I was expecting a simple slap in the face with a trout. So to speak.

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OrangeBlueCream In reply to ??? [2009-01-05 17:49:29 +0000 UTC]

Uh.... a white guy is playing Zuko......

I'm sorry but that kinda sucks....

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TobuIshi In reply to OrangeBlueCream [2009-01-06 16:27:46 +0000 UTC]

Just a little, yeah. >.>

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OrangeBlueCream In reply to TobuIshi [2009-01-07 17:37:13 +0000 UTC]

yeah.... it just seems a Chinese man would be better.

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zutaraxmylove [2008-12-27 22:30:40 +0000 UTC]

why must they be white!!!!

sorryyy

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mcda In reply to ??? [2008-12-24 13:16:42 +0000 UTC]

I mean there are perfectly good actors that are minorities out there. Kinda a bummer since I know growing up I wondered why not enough people on tv looked like me. And then bam Avatar came out and I was like SCORE!


At least the Aang actor knows martial arts... To redeem themselves Michelle Yeoh needs to be cast iin some way. And Dante Basco can cameo...


But nice work with the comic.

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