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I hate the new 52 Joker designs. Enough said.Related content
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Okay, funny and cute job.
But i think that the reason of why joker let his face cuted by himself is just not understood. He don't cut is own face to show that is villain and something like " i'm so evil that i cut my face .
This is a message. something to tink and try to understand in all the possible ways. Someone can ask: Why would anyone ever do that to themselves?" This is the question that Joker wants you to ask. If he's willing to mutilate himself just for fun, imagine the horrors he could inflict on someone he actively doesn't like. Or Joker did this to say to Batman that deep down he is the same as his surface, there is no good in him and no hope for redemption. He will always be a crazy psycho killer and there is no saving him. Or maybe he did it to show how he and Batman are similar. Bruce is no longer Bruce Wayne, he has become Batman and uses Bruce Wayne as a disguise. So if you were to be all metaphorical, you might just say Bruce cut off his own face to use as a mask. Or he do this so that he could shed the last thing that made him human. His features changing after he fell into the vat of chemicals is what initially drove him insane. Now that his face is gone, his most defining physical trait has been removed, and his humanity along with it. But i think that he do this to prove at the world that the real life doesn't have a sense, that the life is just planed and nobody want to change it, so he cut the part that made him just a crazy among the humans. To prove that you have to rebel against the rules of life and do what no one would dare to do. because he knew that people can be checked with the fear or happiness, and he has chosen to show the world a joke that would conquer all with his fear, he cut his face to show that anyone can go against the planned life and be able to convince everyone to do the same.
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I agree.
Part of Joker's Cement personality is that he is VAIN.
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indeed, see someone gets it.
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*Shakes Head*
I get the writers were trying to appeal for a more "Macabe" audiance but....
You don't mess with Joker's good looks.
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If it wouldn't have been the Joker, I would have loved a villain who cut his face off... But it IS the Joker, and, C'mon... he LOVES face XD.
Apart from that, I enjoyed Death in the Familly (Yay for the slashiness ! ).
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I agree on all points ha ha.
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This is SOOO cute! And hilarious to boot! And yeah, who doesn't hate it. Grumble grumble.
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Aww this is incredibly adorable!!
Love it so much^^
Batsy's expression is precipus lol
Please make more!!
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YET! THANK YOU! and of course i'll make more
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Ditto. It's all kinds of wrong.
(but I hate 90% of 52 stuff, so I'm biased. BUT I HAVE GOOD REASONS.)
(Comic was adorable though. Hehe)
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Yey! Thank you!... okay I will admit the 52 Joker is more open and slashy but thats all the wiggle room I have on the subject. If they only reverted the face back to normal I would be 100% on board but alas... it was not to be.
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I agree - some of the details (and the slashiness) are fine, but Joker cutting his face off is just... so not like him it almost makes me uncomfortable. If you look at some of later comics, the skin is literally rotting. The Joker is a performer above all else, the show, the actors, the script has to all be perfect. He wouldn't sacrifice his physical appearance for the sake of one joke.
I think they were trying to make him appear more frightening and more crazy by alternating his appearance to be "creepy", then ignored the story and character development and just said "look, here's a villain who cut his face off!" I even have a comic where Damian said to Dick "Why are you taking a man who cut his own face off seriously?" They are destroying his creditability to make him a monster under the bed.
The best Jokers, in my opinions, are the ones who are calculating intellects, a bit charming, look like under that white face they could have been anyone and above all else - are actually funny. He's suppose to be a character that you hate to love, where the Batman can't ignore that the words he's saying are true, where sometimes he does make people laugh, or make them get the joke. But they just destroyed that (and many other things) to make him scary.
If they'd written him right, it would have happened all on its own.
(algasdfgsaf, this is why I don't talk about the new 52)
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Amen to that, also Joker was the most expressive person in the cannon, this terrible design is so impracticle it restricts the character in so many more ways than purely aesthetic. He can't even show facial expression his trademark grin traded for a mockery. The fact that they thought that during battle they could make his “face ” loose to imply expression shows how they know you need the factor of expression and are now attempting to bend it around the flimsy design. How is he even forming words without muscled lips?
Imposing an irreversible change on a much loved and respected character within DC’s whole line up is beyond STUPID.
How can anyone do anything new with that character from now on? They’ve written themselves in to a dead end. No artist can put his or her spin on the character without morphing him into something abnormal! He has no FACE! What idiot thought it would be a good move to do this?
The redesign is atrocious, you see Grant Morison and Tony Daniels RIP joker was acceptable because the change was reversible it was fun and not too much and it faded out with the arch. Other artists who used the Joker at this time weren’t forced into using this design…. But now every story has this “Joker” in it forcing this change for everything from now on is utterly pathetic.
The Joker’s horror doesn’t come from what he looks like more than what he does. The fact like he looked like a clown both frightened people and juxtaposed what he was doing. Representing the greatest of humour the best and most viscous Joke… life itself. Showing people that there is no meaning to life, that it means nothing that the only point to life was to have fun. To show that death would come for everyone no matter what you tried to do, it was in vain and that you should only enjoy what little time there is. To exchange such a powerful, complex and amazing character for a pathetic gimmick leaves me sickened.
*heavy breathing accompanied by a foaming mouth and alot of eye twitching and rocking in the corner*
eywriuweqkjbfemjwenfxuyefweyyoqwoiywqbnmxzvbnvukqw........ and this is why I try to pretend the new 52 doesn't exist. ;_____; .... sorry for the rant.
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Again, total agreement. I actually would have been fine with the Joker's new design as a one-shot or side-story or just general graphic novel. Many people did entirely different designs for the Joker and all the characters inside their own isolated story lines and it did great. A good example - I loved Heath Ledger's Joker. As Heath Ledger's Joker only. I would not have accepted such a twisted version of the character, all nervous tics and a complete lack of comedy routine, anymore then I would have accepted Christian Bale's Batman, who was only Batman for under a year before going into exile and retiring to italy (lets face it, Batman will die in battle, we all know that) as the number one Batman and Joker of the DC comic book series. They were great ONLY as one person's individual visualization. DC felt the need to push a "face-lift" onto the series and "reimagine" the story-line as something new! and bold! and they just... fucked it up so badly.
The whole thing is fucked up. And it isn't just Joker. They completely redid the ventriloquist, no doubt under pressure for deleting a lot of female villains, heros and writers so they genderbent arnold and make her into some creepy skeleton girl with a puppet with SCREWS on its hands. Arnold was awesome - because he looked like just anyone, completely safe, and then the doll started talking and I swear, some of the stories with him? I thought the puppet was possessed the way they acted, and it was brilliant story writing! But they butchered the character with no explanation, and gave this new shit a backstory that made me cringe - mostly because I could have written a better one in the comments section on facebook for crying out loud.
And honestly the whole thing has me worried. I've only recently gotten into the Batman comics, and now with this whole thing slowly going downhill - from rapish scenes, paper-thin villains, established character destruction, deaths, disappearances, the ben affleck/superman thing - I'm scared they may scrap the series or just run it into the ground so badly they'll end up reducing it to a title or two for a couple of years until the heat dies down.
I just want to find a couple of good artists and writers and do a web series of recreating the whole Batman timeline the right way. Flesh out characters, write them so well they'll be spine-tingling, make it so well done that you'll have trouble picking a side or choosing a favourite.
But I doubt anyone would get behind that. xD
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Yeah same here, for a small graphic novel or side story it would be fine, like the games Arkham verse, it's not cannon but it's considered in high esteem. It would have been interesting... but if you try and apply it permanently and ruin the god damn character you set out to "fix" then you've fucked up bad. Again I like heath ledgers Joker but only in that movie, I can't stand for example Azarello's Joker, when they try to apply heath ledgers Joker traits, both personality and looks onto cannon... it just fucks up. Joker is portrayed almost like a gentlemen so he wouldn't rape, he would consider it beneath him. He wouldn't hold merit in physical gratification so much as the person it's with.
And yes I do believe that if Batman would die It would be at the hands of the Joker, whilst bringing him down with him in the most epic battle to save all of America which Batman succeeds in doing with the exception of Gotham... so in a way they both win.They should also die simultaneously, whilst acknowledging each others large role in the others life, they should also touch or hold hands or something..... to symbolise the bond they share. :3
I don't even want to know about what else they did to the characters... it'll only make me either sad or angry ;___;
I honestly hope they don't fuck it up, it's my life blood. To get it back on track they need to get some great writers to explain away all the shit they did....make it better, I know for a fact Morrison could do it but I think he isn't doing Batman anymore which sucks, he's my favourite writer.
Also a big YES to the homemade revamp of Batman, I would get behind it if I had both the talent and time. I'm illustrating for a small comic company in my spare time and I'm going into final year at art college so it'll be a hectic year ha ha. If we started this revolution I would have to wait to contribute 
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Of god, yes, if one of them dies, the other is going down. I won't take it any other way. (though there are some crazy-ass good stories out there that deal with what happens after one of them dies - you ever heard "sand in all its form"? good example of how the death of one would mess up the other.
DC has "wiped" the slate before, so to speak. I can't remember how they explained, but long story short, everything before that event didn't mean jackshit. I really want them to just start over, but at the same time, I know they won't. Marvel's been going great now with their movies and most of their superheros are more popular - DC just recently rebooted their entire line, so if they back down now... it'd be pure, public humiliation, and I don't think a company as old as theirs would do that, if only to keep their own balls safe. They'd have to choose between moving comics into new directions - which means scrapping a lot of old designs and characters and doing some hardcore stories - or just basically doing what "sells", which is mostly scantily glad women, men with muscle and creepy people.
I have commitments too - grade 12 for me here. But I don't think a project like a public revamp of Batman would actually be that time consuming, if it was planned out really well. (I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE) You'd have to start by finding maybe four people - at least two solid artists, two solid writers - and begin building a basic timeline. Start with basic ideas - what main stories would we want to redo? Death in the Family? No Man's Land? Damian's Death? What characters to include? Sketch out a basic plot, and have a set "end" point (retirement, death, up until present DC writing, etc). Then divide the plot into chunks, things like backstory to dick, dick to jason, etc, etc. Then flesh it out more - remake costume designs, have a set map with street names and areas and gang territories, have years and dates that everything happened. It sounds like a lot, but if you spread it between a few different people, all just contributing in their spare time, you could have a lot of plot and ideas really quickly. Maybe just say "this'll take six months, or a year" to do. Take the time, do it right. After that, start writing out more solid arcs, assign writers and artists to characters they are good at, build the content, but above all else - build up a back-log of content. Between three to six months of it, or something. That way, it'd be released at set intervals, and there wouldn't be a scramble to do it on thursday when its being released friday, for example. Always ensure there was enough story set aside that if someone fell ill or got a new job or exams or something, there wouldn't have to be a hiatus.
And we probably couldn't do comic pages... you'd have to split it between literature and art, so both writers and artists have a bit of weight taken off their part. You could even incorporate music, videos? Maybe there are some people out there willing to film fake news broadcasts to set off new arcs or warn of villain attacks or something. (I want to see this now)
I totally did not plan any of this beforehand, I just mentioned it offhand then I was like IDEA. And then I came up with all that while making myself a bagel. If we do this (and I really want to, I've wanted to do a big group project like this forever also fuck you 52) I totally volunteer as a writer (both plot and written sections), manager(? would this be a thing) and webmaster.
The key to the whole thing would be planning and doing so much of it out in advance that it'd roll off the webpage like a military strategy.
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WOW! Yeah yeah you weren't planning this my butt lol. This would be a massive undertaking. Redoing it so thoroughly would be quite the task, I could understand like reworking certain major works to play up to or hold certain plot points to back up our reworking of more recent titles. Or a total recall on things that are absolute bollocks in order to fit into and actually work well with both
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I honestly wasn't, I swear, I just have a mind that works like that. I joined my Gay-Straight Alliance in my old school and was elected leader at the end of my first meeting (not kidding at all). That whole thing went down so well, there was fucking paperwork people had to fill out and we hit attendance records and then I left for private school and nobody ever went anymore. I think most of them didn't want to go in the first place, but were fearful of my wrath. I can organize and plan the fuck out of just about anything in less time then it takes most people to go to the bathroom. Pity armies are all politics these days, I would have ruled a battlefield.
I think one of the coolest things to do would be going back and sort of smoothing out the wrinkles on backstories - like how DC would add a character with no explanation, then someone would add some details and someone would add more later and you don't get a lot of continuum going? Like take away all of that, fix it up so you have characters introduced early on that grow into villains or heros later instead of just randomly appearing.
I'd like to smudge a lot of the "good" and "bad" lines as well. Like... Two-Face is cool as a gangster, but it doesn't fit with his backstory? He'd probably be better as hunting down all the bad people in the world and flipping his coin to decide whether or not he kills them, or saving people but also flipping to see whether or not he should? So he becomes a lot more greyer as people try to figure out whether or not they like or support him and Batman's like DAMNIT HARV YOU'RE MAKING THIS DIFFICULT.
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