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"You are part of the night, just like me. We're not afraid of the dark — we come alive in it — we're thrilled by it..."I have severe night terrors and, as a result, I have very few dreams (and nightmares) that I will actually remember when I awake the next day. My dreams always have this strange film-like quality. And I had the weirdest dream last night and woke up on the wrong side of the bed, with a terrible back pain and stomach craps, and yet, like most of my intense dreams, it will nag and eat away at me until I draw them out! The product was Rorschach in Gotham. It's a working title, but it really says it all.
Taking place during the passing of Keene Act to illegalise costumed crime-fighting, Nite Owl II has been missing for three days. The Crimebusters (...uh, Watchmen) have broken up and carried on a lacklustre search for their comrade, so Rorschach takes his own line of investigation to find his only true friend and the clues lead him to Gotham City, perhaps with a little help from a costumed cat burglar. (This is a conceptual plot and it's subject to change.)
For those who don't know, I'm a huge Batman fan and Watchmen fan. I may do a short comic on this, a short story, or a full-on fiction; or it could be a collection of vignettes of him fighting Gotham Rogues' Gallery — or Batman himself. I really haven't decided yet. Nonetheless, I certainly love how this drawing came, so I'm going to fix the proportions (majorly!), draw some word balloons (maybe!), sketch in a background (gasp!), clean it up, and colour it — and we'll see how it goes from there. (I'm trying to do this by incorporating the 90s Batman: The Animated Series "dark noir" style, but I don't think I'm succeeding at all. It still looks too much like my own overtly cartoony style.)
Medium - HB and 2B mechanical pencil.
Rorschach in Gotham © Diane N. Tran.
Rorschach and Catwoman © DC Comics.
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THAT would have been hilarious! I also heard that, for the first several times they threw Jeffrey out the window (Comedian's death scene), they couldn't get him to stop laughing. Here he was, supposed to look terrified and half-dead, and he's laughing his ass off as he falls to his 'death'! Zack had to pull him aside and ask him a simple question; "Dean, can you please try to do this scene just once without laughing like a dolt?" to which he replies "I'm sorry, man! This is the best ride I've ever had!"
If you ask me, there should be a theme park attraction where they toss you out of a sugar-glass window and let you fall onto one of those big poofy mats. There would, of course, be a safety line. But doesn't that sound like fun?
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That would be sooooooo fun! (swings on the cord and smashes through the window) Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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: O I love this one.
Though I don't think he'd allow such a "scantily" clad woman to touch him.
But then again, you never know with Ror.
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Which is why I tried to make it look like Rorschach's about to snap her wrist. But, of course, Catwoman can't help but caress his mask with a clawed finger as well. It's kinda of a "You can rough me up anytime, good-lookin'..."
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Hmm, really cool.
x DD
I've never even imagined Ror matching up with anyone, he's so difficult.
But I think him and Catwoman would be an amusing couple. : P
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I see them as uneasy allies/friendship -- a hyper-sexual, fun-loving, semi-reformed thief and an anti-sexual, all-too-serious criminal investigator. And seeing how they react and clash with one another...it strangely works somehow!
Any romantic advances are technically Catwoman's doing. Rorschach either is oblivious to them...or chooses to ignore them.
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well that's not as crazy as some of my night mares
one of them caused Alzo from a Rp of mine to turn out to be Rorschach's baby brother .....(long story )
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Night terrors is where you have a nightmare but wake up remembering nothing of it. Mine are apparently very intense, worrying my people, and they ask me if I'm okay the next morning, I don't know why they ask that until they tell me. That's now my nightmares go. So when I actually have a "dream" and/or "nightmare" that I remember, it's something I really cherish. It doesn't happen often at all.
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i sometimes wake up in the middle o f the night totally freaked but can't remember what happened some nights I don't remember anything ,so pretty much same here
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Sounds about right, except it's nearly all the time for me.
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more like best 2 outta three here
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Have you done more with this idea yet!!?
>.<
I actually NEEEEEED this! PLEASEPLEASEPLEEEAASE!?!
pweasse!
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These are a few of the ideas in my head, so here's this (and I hope it makes sense):
Catwoman's on the balcony of a penthouse suite of a five-star hotel. Using her diamond-tipped claws, she cuts a circle in the glass and unlocks the sliding-door, enters the suite, steals from the safe a number of jewels, but before she can leave the way she came, she bumps into something...and it's Rorschach, with his grappling hook in one hand and grabs her wrist and squeezes VERY tight with the other. She looks at him with an unconvinced expression: "Looks like we have a new face in town, though I should tell warn you that breaking and entering is against the law." "You should know," he replies. "Flattery will get you everywhere, handsome," she smiles, caressing the side of his face before scratching his jaw and neck, then snaps her arms up and forward and twists to lose his balance and his grip and kicks him hard in the stomach. He falls to the ground, lets down, she bolts out the balcony, jumps off with back flip, uses her 18-foot bull-whip, and lands on a building across the way. She pauses to look at the building she came from with a satisfied smile, she turns to leave and Rorschach lands a few feet in front of her, and thus begins the chase scene.
Across the rooftop to rooftop, they run and leap and swing across the night of Gotham, as she runs, he catches up, and they fight at a skeleton of a 100+-story skyscraper being erected out of the concrete. Punch, punch, dodge, dodge, slash, dodge. She slashes his shoulder and when she tries it again, he grabs her arm and throws her off the scafolding with an "AHH!" Then silence. A pause. Rorschach walks to the end of the scafolding to peek down and -- HUUHHHFFF!!! -- two legs uppercut his jaw, Catwoman lands on back on the scafolding as Rorschach lost his balance with that kick, slips off the narrow edge, and falls off the scafolding; he pulls out his grappling gun but his fingers let it go in the confusion and he tries to grab the chain holding scfolding up, but missed and he plummets. (Gravity, thou art a heartless bitch...) Catwoman's whip cracks and the end wraps around his ankle and he stops in midair.
And there he hanging in midair, a whip wrapped around his ankle and its handle Catwoman begins tied to the scafolding: Catwoman looks down on Rorschach with a cheeky smile, blows him a kiss and leaves him be. Rorschach comes two and takes an awkward moment to look at his situation: He's 100 stories up from the ground, about 30 feet from the gutted building, and 300 feet from any building adjacent, and 18 feet up is the scofolding. The "thief" vanished and his grappling gun is gone -- she took it to assist in her escape -- and he soaks this all in and simply grunts, "Hurm..."
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[link] . I need it even more now!
How are you planning on formatting this? Are you gonna write it, or draw it? Or what? (please do so veeeery veeeery soon!)
btw, thank you for telling me about how watchmenmovie.com's gotten a facelift. And I agree, Rorscach's voice MAY sound a teeny tiny bit better. *coughs*
lol, there's just something with the way Jackie earle haley says "And I'll look down and whisper no." though! The no reminds me of a stubborn little kid going "No!" -_-' I don't think Rorschach's meant to give that impression, lol.
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HAHAHA! 
I do have other ideas for another Catwoman and Rorschach meeting, and him versus other villains, but they're nowhere as detailed as this one. It's more a series of random images of a situation, like battle scenes, plot twists, and a few climaxes.
Roschach's voice does sound better when it's not hacked to pieces. Jackie did make it monotone with a few subtle emphasises here and there to make a tad more interesting, which I understand why he did. I rather like the "NO!" he delivered. It the trailer, it sounded very emotional, but with the entire monologue, it took a different turn, where the emotional response works. Rorschach has a lot of rage issues akin to his childhood, so if the "NO" sounded rather like a stubborn child, I can understand that. But I see it more as a hushed rage pushing out sightly from the mask of monotone. I like that.
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Well, I'm all for your Rorschach in Gotham idea! lol, I don't think you can do any wrong!
I'm looking forward to it all! ^^
Yes, I do agree. Rorschach..well.. Jackie's voice did get all hacked up. Ohhhh I'm soooooooo excited now!!!! Hushed rage. Yes I can see where you're coming from. he's making his point about these people and how there will not be any mercy for bad people, but he's just talking and he can't fully give out his emotion. Especaially as he's monotone..poor Rorschach. :'D
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Thank you so much! I don't have that much confidence in myself though. There's a reason why few writers can capture Batman and his villains properly. I seriously doubt I could do anything NEAR to that, but.....I'll try!
I'm glad you can see the "hushed rage", too. I don't know if others see it that way, but that's how I took it. Of course, we don't have anything visual either, like body motion and gestures, since we don't have the advantage of facial expressions, we'll have to do with those and the movement of the patterns on his mask. Can't wait!
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Please do try. I'm sure it'll be phenomenal! ^^
Urgh, his mask expressions, sometimes I get it but other times his expressions could be two at the exact time! lol, ah well, I guess it just adds to Rorscach..
Jackie's gonna have to act brilliantly to get emotion across. If he manages this he's gonna be guaranteed a LOAD of job offerings.
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Well, I heavily based the Joker for "Rorschach in Gotham" from Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke" and the fan-film Patient J (which was essentially Alan Moore's Joker in a Batman: Animated Series timeline). It would interesting to see how these two giants would interact and clash, even though they're more similar than they would probably care to admit.
Well, sometimes one can figure out his expressions with the patterns. It's like looking at an Expressionist painting where it's about the emotion channeled into the paint. You're never really wrong...or really right. When I draw Rorschach's inkblot, I make them look vaguely like a facial expression and an Expressionist painting. If you look at this drawing, the top blot is placed where the eye would be and it has a vague slanted eyebrow and orbit, like "angry eyes". The small blot on the left is a "flared nostril" and the two circular blots on the far right represent "tears". And the bottom blot meant to be form of a mouth in mix of three shapes -- a gritting, growling mouth; a weak smile or shy smirk, and a heart-shaped kiss but deformed heart, almost melting, as if he as deformed concept or lack of a concept of softer emotions, like love and romance.
I don't want Jackie to set out to show TOO MUCH emotion because he still has to be deadpan and monotone. He simply has to be more subtle in order to get those emotions and thoughts across. Yes, if he does pull it off, he may get a load of job offerings, or.....he could be typecasted, which is the worse thing for an actor to find himself in, but it shows how well fans associate you and love you for that part.
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I LOVE the killing joke! ^^ And Patient J. Lol, I have it on my Zen -_-'
I never really thought too much, in sucj=h great detail the xprssions of rorschach..
Yes, Jackie'll have to find other ways around showing emotion..pauses. Body language...
Maybe habits, like, I dunno, messing with a loose tread on jacket when thinking or something...
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I certain have been "over thinking" Rorschach's expressions at times. A few expressions of the mask in the book are just puzzling, so I can't help but ask, "What are you thinking?" as I look at the patterns. Body language helps a lot! You can see him hunched over with a finger curled under his chin and you can tell he's being thoughtful...even flippant, at times.
I like the idea of him messing with the loose threads on his coat, or buttons, too, maybe not when he's thinking, but it seems like something he'd do if he was nervous.
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Yes. It would be more of a nervous thing..but, looking back..I can't actually remember a nervous Rorschach.. lol, yes, hunched over, rubbing chin = Thinking or constipation. ( I blame Auguste Rodin+Rugrats..)
Sorry, tangent... YAAY! NEW ARTWORK! HUUGS!
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Actually, we do see Rorschach nervous a few rare times in the book, like when he tells Veidt to get rid of Bubastis. I personally think he says that because a giant genetically-engineered cat was looking at him wierd and he didn't feel comfortable, especically around a dismal defeat against Viedt himself earlier. Also, another time is when Rorschach apologises and shakes Nite Owl's hand. After the awkward handshake, it looks like Rorschach was nervous at that moment he pulled away.
Ah, Rorschac as "The Thinker"....classic! I may have to draw that now, hahahahaha!
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Oh yeah! He was nervous, at those times. And awkward when shaking nite owl's hand. Rorschach ain't good at human contact, unless of course he's hurting them...
lol, I wouldn't mind seeing THAT!
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Well, he's nor use to human contact but he has no grasp of common social skills. I don't think he knows the appropriate time a handshake is suppose to last.
Well, if I ever do the Rorschach "Thinker", I'll definitely dedicate it to you personally!
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I know. That's why he's so adorable. (Well, I think he's adorable..) Poor Rorschach, ah but how much fun you could have with his lack of social skills...
Aww, thankies! ^^
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I think he's adorable, too! I just was to huggle him to death...but he'll probably dropkick me off a building if I did. Haha!
You're welcome! It would be a pleasure.
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lol, Well, if ALL his fans huggled him at the same time he probably couldb't drop kick us all off a building. So, we'll all have to organise a certain time
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Watchmen and Batman colliding? The most brilliant idea ever.
Seriously, I'm gonna watch you so I don't miss any of this!
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Why not, I say...
I'm a huge Watchmen and Batman fan, so why not mix it all in a bowl? Have Rorschach fight the greatest comic characters in history! And then throw in a little sexual tension between Catwoman and him and see how he reacts. (mad scientist laughter)
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LoL!!! Yep, it'll be VERY fun...
I'd say my crossover dreams are nowhere near as cool as yours; I remember having one where Darth Vader and Jack Sparrow met eachother in the tube... yeah... very weird...
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I don't typically like to do crossovers, but if I do, they have to make sense to what's established in canon. I'm a purist -- I know I'm a dying breed. With "Rorschach in Gotham", I figured if there was one place the Keene Riots against "masks" would be at it's absolute worse would be Gotham City! It's already an urban "Hell on Earth", but I think during the Keene Riots, it would be like Heaven would become another Hell and that's two Hells is too many! And Rorschach just wouldn't stand for that!
Also, Rorschach is a parody/homage of Batman. He has the driven, right-wing, vengeance-fueled, single-minded crusader without superpowers just as Batman is. So I thought: Rory vs. Batman Villains.
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Oh yeah. I'll be waiting to see how he manages to deal with the Joker. That, I'll PAY to see if they existed!!
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Oh, heeheehee...I haven't something special for Rory vs. Joker. And I'm a 25-year Batman addict!
Although, I don't know which Joker to use. Personally, I want to use Paul Molnar because he's really the best live-action Joker I've ever seen, beating out Ledger hands down. If you haven't seen it, watch "Patient J" -- I'm still blown away by the short film! It's fan-film, but Hollywood could take some notes to these guys. Then two years later, out comes "Dark Knight" and I couldn't help but compare Ledger to Molnar's preference. Ledger was good, but just wasn't "Patient J"!
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Do you think I will be able to find the vids on youtube?
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Sorry, I "HAVE" something specical for Batman vs. Joker, not "haven't".
You can watch the award-winning Patient J it in high-quality at Bat in the Sun Productions offical website at: [link] But unfortunately it doesn't play for me, if that happens, check out the full film at Google: [link]
Afterward, they filmed a fan-trailer film of Batman Legends, using new and archive footage from Patient J, which is also worth seeing here: [link] Or here: [link]
Tell me what you think, I'd love to here your opinion.
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THAT. WAS. FANTASTIC!!!!!
It's hard to believe that it was all fan-made, especially with all the effort into the costumes and effects! Theres the classic Joker, and I love it! So much different compared with the Dark Knight, but I would give it 10/10 for everything.
Being a Batman fan sort of runs through my family, my dads favourite film being Tim Burtons Batman with Jack Nicholson. I guess Heath Ledgers Joker will probably be my fave.
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Isn't is great!! I love the film! It's amazing what they accomplished with a lot of time and limited means. You can see that a lot of LOVE went into the production.
Well, it's not really a "Classic" Joker completely; he's more of the "Modern" Joker, with a mix of fun and menace and mayhem! Paul Molnar is the definitely the Joker I grew up --straight out of the comics! He's very loyal to the original comics, using "Death of the Family", "Killing Joke", "Knightfall", "Laughing Fish", "Mad Love", and a "Long Halloween". Also, if you notice, in the flashbacks, the Joker's look is always different, as the character is filtered through his insane mind. For example, the "Death in the Family" scene where he beats Robin/Jason Todd to death is really a demonisation of his character.
No one has come the closest to my "perfect" Joker than Paul Molnar's Patient J. And I've been a BatFan for over...oh, twenty-five years! So he remains my favourite; Heath Ledger is about third place.
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Sorry, I should have said look. Y'know, the Classic Joker look.
So, who's your second favourite Joker? If Heath Ledger is your third?
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Ah, yes. "Classic Joker" look I suppose would be the word. Then again it's my tribute to Alan Moore's short novel, "The Killing Joke". So two Moore-esque giants bashing their heads together...with a crowbar in hand...but whose hand?
My second favourite Joker has to be Mark Hamill. Yes, the same Mark Hamill who played Luke Skywalker. He played the Joker for Batman: The Animated Series, which is an equal blend of the harmless trickster of the Bob Kane/Bill Finger Golden/Silver Age and the menacing, ultra-graphic, homicidal psychopath/serial murderer/mass murderer/terrorist of the Modern Age. In the TV series, because of censorship, they couldn't let the Joker let lose. He may not have killed literally, per se, but let his victims with that horrific grin, allowing them to die laughing, which it something worst than death, as you can see here: [link] 
But really let him loose in his most dramatic in Mask of the Phantasm and his most gruesome in Return of the Joker, which allowed him to let lose and gave me chills and cardiac shock. Also, Mark Hamill had the best laugh, which really made his Joker come to life: [link]
Ledger is a third, beating out Brian C. Bethel's marvelous Joker from the independent fan-trailer short, Untamed Cinema's Grayson (2004), which now rides as my fourth favourite. I just loved his look and overall action, that great laugh, and those wacky but creepy nails (a la Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth) and that GIANT mouth (I could probably fit a cantaloupe in there!), however I wish he had more screen-time to shine: [link]
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Yeah, its a bit of a shame, with all the animated cartoons, the Joker can't '
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Well, I can't say he didn't perform his "best" because Hamill's Joker had some great episodes where he certainly shined despite the limitations, like "Laughing Fish" which was a perfect mix of horror and humour, and "Almost Got 'Im," where a lot of certain no-nos somehow got past censors. You have to work with the limitations, instead of being bogged down by them. And the scripts and the preformances were top notch in that series -- and the Joker was no exception.
Lots of great characters were in that series, such as Penguin. He's a character you can really make a joke out of, but they didn't. They played him sympathetically and even threating and meancing. Mr. Freeze and the Ventriloquist, which is a corny theme character in the comics, was completely revamped into a tragic figures.
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I only said that when comparing that with "Patient J". Yeah, I know its supposed to be for kids but when I watched Patient J I couln't help but compare it. I think it would be great if they had an adult version of the animated series, I guess to add a little bit more violence, to really bring out what its supposed to be. (Unless theres one I don't know about...) I thought the same thing when watching the Dark Knight, there could have been more violence with the Joker killings and Batmans fighting.
I don't think I've ever been too keen on Mr. Freeze - him and Killer Croc
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For a more "unrated" version of Mark Hamill's Joker, I'd say check out the feature films, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (both versions). But the Joker is more than just a killing machine, but also his utter creepiness which makes unsettles you and pushes your comfort zone. Of all the episodes and films of Hamill's Joker, Phantasm, I feel, is the best example of Joker at his CREEPIEST -- in the same vibe as Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth and Killing Joke. He gives me chills every time. He's at his most DIABOLICAL in Return of the Joker because of the pure violence of that episode -- the sheer abuse, brutality, and emotion of the film.
But I have to say my love goes for Patient J because Paul Molnar is the "unrated" Mark Hamill Joker -- the personality and look of the animated series with sensibilities and atmosphere of the graphic novels and comics. It's the perfection at its best!
Killer Croc is a hit-or-miss character, but I actually enjoy Mr. Freeze in the 90s animated series. They took a corny theme-villain, turned him into a brooding, tragic character, and really took the character to a new level at a time when most people thought there were no new Batman stories left to tell.
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Actually I like it so much I want more....
bravo
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