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Description Postosuchus politely lets other scavengers know that she called dibs on the giant meat thing that washed up; yes, all fifty-plus tonnes of it. 

Either that or she's acting out that one scene from the movie Alien, one or the other.


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Mid Norian (215 MYA), Southern California

Animal Species

Shastasaurus (?Shonisaurus) sikanniensis (from Sikanni [Mount] Shasta/(?[Shoshone Mountains]) lizard)- a species of primitive ichthyosaur known from the mid Norian of British Columbia, and one of the largest known marine reptiles to have ever lived, measuring twenty-one metres in length. S. sikanniensis may well have been the largest animal to have ever evolved up to that point in Earth's history, and fragmentary remains suggest later in the Triassic even larger ichthyosaurs may have existed; only the largest sauropods and baleen whales reached proportions that rivaled the most massive ichthyosaurs. However, at the end of the Triassic, the gigantic ichthyosaurs died out (although some Early Jurassic forms still got pretty big); only the smaller dolphin-like forms would survive into the Jurassic. It's under debate whether S. sikanniensis is a species of Shastasaurus or Shonisaurus, but in either case, it is reasonably certain that it was a specialized ichthyosaur; it was completely toothless with a slender, narrow body, and may have fed by ram-feeding, hunting by swimming through swathes of fish or cephalopods with its mouth open. The other Shastasaurus species are known from the Carnian of California and southern China (although that species may also be its own genus, Guanlingsaurus), and although also very large, are much smaller than S. sikanniensis; the other Shonisaurus species is known from the mid Norian of Nevada.

Postosuchus kirkpatricki (Kirkpatrick's crocodile from Post)- a species of large rauisuchid from the Norian of Arizona and Texas, and likely the apex predator of the Chinle Formation. It was the region's largest known terrestrial predator, reaching four to five metres in length and up to three-hundred kilograms, far larger than any of the dinosaurian carnivores it coexisted with (although some phytosaur species were larger). The "rauisuchians" were, by large, the dominant land carnivores of Earth during the Mid to Late Triassic, replacing the earlier erythrosuchids and were themselves replaced by theropod dinosaurs when they became extinct at the end of the Triassic. Coincidentally, Postosuchus somewhat resembled the layman's impression of a generic carnivorous dinosaur, with a robust skull filled with dagger-like teeth, a scaly armoured hide, and probably walking erect on its hindlimbs.

Chindesaurus bryansmalli (Bryan Small's ghost/Chinde [Point] lizard)- a species of herrerasaurid dinosaur from the mid Norian of the American Southwest, known from the fragmentary remains of multiple specimens. From what can be told, it was a typical species of herrerasaurid, a medium-sized predator, probably reaching about two metres in length and fifty kilograms in weight. It is one of the few herrerasaurids known from outside South America (the even more poorly-known Caseosaurus may be synonymous with Chindesaurus), and also one of the youngest members of the group; no herrerasaurid fossils are known that are definitely younger than the Norian, and they did not leave any known later descendants, leaving them as a short-lived dead-end clade. Didn't even last ten million years, what a bunch of chumps.

Dromomeron gregorii (Gregory's running femur) - a species of biped dinosauromorph from the Norian of Texas and Arizona that reached about one metre in length. It was a close relative of true dinosaurs; indeed, Dromomeron probably would have greatly resembled a small theropod in life, being a small, lightly-built biped with long hindlegs and tail. One study even suggested that Dromomeron (the sister species D. romeri at least) was the juvenile stage of the contemporary theropod Tawa, but this is not strongly supported and rejected by most. Dromomeron itself is otherwise not a particularly interesting animal, likely being an active predator of insects and other small animals that may have scavenged on occasion, although the fact that it coexisted alongside true dinosaurs so late into the Triassic is evidence that dinosaurian conquest was a gradual process.

Indeterminate pterosaurs- pterosaurs are unknown from the Triassic of North America, and as a whole are scarce from Triassic formations, being only definitely known from Europe (a few extremely fragmentary remains from North America have been assigned as possibly pterosaurian, but they are highly dubious). The appearance of pterosaurs during the Triassic as a whole is something of a mystery, as it's basically summed up as they didn't exist and then suddenly they did, with no known transitional forms to shed light on the enigma. Whether this means pterosaurs were not widespread during the Triassic or they simply weren't preserved well on other continents is unknown, but for the purpose of this illustration I've decided the latter because it looked better to have something in the air. (ignore the fact they look like evil sky clowns) The species is hypothetical, but they're based on basal pterosaurs such as Austriadactylus and Preondactylus, the former of which lived at about the same time as this scene but in... guess.

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Despite being some of the most massive marine animals that ever lived, giant ichthyosaurs rarely get any attention at all. The largest known ichthyosaurs are far larger than the biggest known mosasaurs or plesiosaurs, which may have approached fifteen metres at best, but several species of ichthyosaur reached or exceeded those measurements long before those species evolved. Alas, this is probably largely in part because Shastasaurus and its ilk didn't have big teeth, and therefore wouldn't have been as ferocious-looking or cool as guys like Liopleurodon or Tylosaurus, instead they looked like big fat dolphinosaurs with no/tiny teeth. Giant Triassic macropredatory ichthyosaurs also existed once but they're much more obscure and they seemingly died out pretty quickly. Ichthyosaurs didn't recover much of their Triassic diversity after the Tr-Jr extinction event, never really moved past the dolphin-lizard form after the Early Jurassic, and then they just sorta died in the middle of the Cretaceous; they're like that guy who peaked in high school.

A little bit of artistic license was used here, besides the aforementioned imaginary pterosaurs, none of the species here are technically known from the location where the scene is supposed to take place (California). However, I considered it to be close enough to the locations of the different species to still be possible, as Postosuchus, Dromomeron, and Chindesaurus are all known from a neighbouring state (Arizona), and an earlier species of Shastasaurus is known from California, as well as the reasonable assumption that such a large marine animal species would have a wide range similar to living marine megafauna and therefore could be found in different regions. At the time, most of California was submerged beneath a shallow sea along the continental shelf of eastern Pangaea, and the coast wouldn't have been too far from the more inland Chinle Formation, which at the time was still a relatively wet and moist environment most of the time, although it was beginning to undergo gradual aridification. 

Another minor case of artistic license I didn't notice until I had started was that Shastasaurus was actually pretty narrow for its size; its ribcage would have only been about two metres wide in the biggest individuals (still more than roomy enough for a Postosuchus to hole up inside no problem). I fixed it a bit before the drawing was finished but it still looks a little wide... so just imagine this dead one is propped up on a sand dune at a slope and just looks a bit wider than it really is, and then it works okay.

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EDITED: no barnacles now, turns out they didn't exist, even more so than the pterosaurs, also Postosuchus is slightly messier, since it's kind of moist in these ichthyosaurs.

NOTE FROM THE FUTURE: a Triassic North American pterosaur was described so ignore that part in the "indeterminate pterosaurs" description (but it lived after the Chinle Formation so this is still okay).
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Comments: 48

UnGojiraSapiente [2022-01-03 22:57:37 +0000 UTC]

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srjf1 [2021-10-20 02:39:59 +0000 UTC]

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cuttledish [2020-05-21 12:25:52 +0000 UTC]

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ferrariantonio [2019-07-03 16:13:43 +0000 UTC]

The Siege of Fort Carcass, Southern California (May 22 – July 9, 215 MYA), was the final engagement in the Dinosaur campaign to recapture the Shastasaurus carcass in the Rauisuchid-Dinosaur War.
While Dinosaurmorph General Dromomeron Gregorii was besieging Flipper base, General Chindesaurus Bryansmalli was ordered to capture the Rauisuchid stronghold of Fort Carcass in order to go to Gregorii's aid. When his assault failed, Bryansmalli settled into a 48-hours siege, the longest in reptilia military history. A second attack also failed, and it was only after the fall of the belly that the Rauisuchid commander, General Postosuchus Kirkpatricki surrendered the port.

In the picture:
Rauisuchid jaws fend off Dinosaur infantry on the Shastasaurus

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Liopurodon4x [2019-06-15 03:00:59 +0000 UTC]

Liopleurodon is BIGGER according to a guy 

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TheCrocodileLord In reply to Liopurodon4x [2019-08-11 13:51:40 +0000 UTC]

Shure

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Cryptozoomad [2019-02-21 16:34:21 +0000 UTC]

Remind me Antarctica, when a leopard seal went off an orca cacass

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Jojasaurus In reply to Cryptozoomad [2020-10-18 18:43:38 +0000 UTC]

😂😂 same

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Evodolka [2019-02-08 20:39:56 +0000 UTC]

cool in a gory way

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NormalDinosaurNerd [2018-12-26 18:13:43 +0000 UTC]

Postosuchus: BEGONE THOTS!!

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ferrariantonio [2018-12-09 11:48:13 +0000 UTC]

Postosuchus: for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE, to come back here, and tell the dinosaurus, that they may take our lives.....but they'll never take, OUR CARCASS!!!!!

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Herrieli000 [2018-12-08 14:30:34 +0000 UTC]

Thats if dinosours were still alive

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MugenSeiRyuu In reply to Herrieli000 [2019-01-16 20:03:05 +0000 UTC]

Well, they are. We call them....BIRDS!

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Herrieli000 In reply to MugenSeiRyuu [2019-01-16 21:45:20 +0000 UTC]

Hmmmm....let me think of a word in my card deck...uh well duh.

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TheCrocodileLord In reply to Herrieli000 [2019-08-11 13:54:01 +0000 UTC]

Birds quite litterly are dinosaurs, if you are going to make a statement like that make Shure you have it backed up. The kt mass extinction killed all non-avian dinosaurs not "all dinosaurs"

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Herrieli000 In reply to TheCrocodileLord [2019-08-12 01:40:45 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry for this, my brother went into my account and did this, please forgive us.

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tarbano [2018-10-30 00:00:51 +0000 UTC]

Posto is trying out for her Alien cosplay this coming Halloween, her Chindesaurus buddies are helping her judge. The one up front thinks she needs to add more blood spray to her technique.

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acepredator [2018-10-10 16:03:26 +0000 UTC]

Temnodontosaurus disagrees with the idea ichthyosaurs lost the seat of apex predator after the Triassic; it was only in the Late Jurassic that they were replaced. 

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08919022 In reply to acepredator [2019-07-29 04:13:40 +0000 UTC]

Not only that but Pervushovisaurus, which is placed in the Cenomanian, is considered at apex predator level and seems to be of a very substantial size:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…

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acepredator In reply to 08919022 [2019-07-30 20:17:09 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow.

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BangBooDoragon [2018-10-09 12:07:00 +0000 UTC]

Get away from my  carcass, reeeeeee!!!

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D-Juan [2018-09-16 12:40:44 +0000 UTC]

Those are several of the best and more originally reconstructed mesozoic reptiles one can find around...

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D-Juan In reply to D-Juan [2018-09-16 12:42:04 +0000 UTC]

Also the scene is excessively cool

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Sporedude135 [2018-09-07 00:52:53 +0000 UTC]

That...is...a big boi. I'm sure it could last a few years or months

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Oaglor [2018-08-04 06:12:28 +0000 UTC]

It seems she can have her house and eat it too.

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NocturnalSea [2018-07-02 09:14:25 +0000 UTC]

I like how thick and robust you've made all the archosaurs, especially Postosuchus. 

Also, I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to speculate on Postosuchus and other Chinle creatures being found in the same area as Shastasaurus. A species of Postosuchus has been found in North Carolina, so it was clearly a widespread genus.

I'm actually rather fond of Shastasaurus since it was a suction-feeder, which is a pretty neat mode of feeding.

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PCAwesomeness [2018-06-27 16:59:12 +0000 UTC]

Postosuchus be like:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPHW7R…

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bh1324 [2018-06-13 19:19:39 +0000 UTC]

A house made of entrails.

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Tarturus [2018-06-05 05:47:06 +0000 UTC]

That's a lot of meat.

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AustralianMarcus In reply to Tarturus [2018-06-06 02:36:58 +0000 UTC]

I wonder what ichthyosaurs would’ve tasted like.

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Shaunman In reply to AustralianMarcus [2019-07-25 21:07:35 +0000 UTC]

Well they are reptiles, so probably a lot like alligator 

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Eldertyrant682 [2018-05-31 20:08:34 +0000 UTC]

Might be good for a book

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Eldertyrant682 [2018-05-31 20:08:01 +0000 UTC]

So cool I like your art

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Hyrotrioskjan [2018-05-29 05:59:32 +0000 UTC]

My only critique would be the barnacles, which first appeared in the late Cretaceous.

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TrollMans In reply to Hyrotrioskjan [2018-05-29 09:08:59 +0000 UTC]

my research on barnacles being possible consisted entirely of looking at wikipedia for one minute and it said that they appeared during the mid Cambrian and are known from Paleozoic trace fossils and that was good enough for me. To be fair to me, information on paleontology and fossil evolution of extinct barnacles is sadly a little hard to find (if you are privy to barnacle knowledge that I don't know about, I'd be happy to hear about it).

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Hyrotrioskjan In reply to TrollMans [2018-05-31 08:20:33 +0000 UTC]

Ah, ok. Problem is that barnacle is a pretty broad term, on English Wikipedia it applies for all Cirripedia.
However the animals you depict here are obviously Balanidae, non stalked Cirripedia. Which first appeared during 
the late Cretaceous, or even later.
Read further here: books.google.de/books?id=rvkyM…

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TrilobiteCannibal In reply to Hyrotrioskjan [2018-08-18 01:56:10 +0000 UTC]

So stalked barnacles are way older than Balanids? That raises some interesting questions. Were there other things in the role keeping them from assuming it?

Also, are only Balanids referred to as barnacles in German? and if so what are other cirripedes called?

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TrollMans In reply to Hyrotrioskjan [2018-05-31 22:54:00 +0000 UTC]

aight, thanks for letting me know and also providing a source, i'll keep this in mind in the future.

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dragonhunter49 [2018-05-29 04:09:54 +0000 UTC]

"THIS IS MY ORGAN PILE! I PAID FOR IT! I LOST THREE HUSBANDS, THREE! I EVEN LOST MY LEFT TOE!"

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PrimordialProse In reply to dragonhunter49 [2019-04-22 12:59:48 +0000 UTC]

THESE ARE MY ENTRAILS

THEYRE MY MY MY ENTRAILS

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBMD48…

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werbermanjensen [2018-05-29 03:27:18 +0000 UTC]

I love these kinds of works, keep it up!

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ClotheshangerIV [2018-05-28 22:02:04 +0000 UTC]

Definitely loving this my guy, especially how you didn't forget to add barnacles to the shastie. I feel like the postosuchus should be bloodier tho, just saying for future reference. Keep it up dude!

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Sanrou [2018-05-28 19:45:04 +0000 UTC]

Gorgeous piece!   

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AlphaX9 [2018-05-28 13:10:49 +0000 UTC]

This is amazing!!

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hans-sniekers-art [2018-05-28 12:22:36 +0000 UTC]

This is absolutely amazing, love the way you portray this scene! I think that more paleo art should be like this, telling connected stories in the artwork itself! Also, the colors are very pleasing to see! 

Those big ichtyosaurus deserve some more attention for sure!

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Tigon1Monster [2018-05-28 10:22:20 +0000 UTC]

Love the fuzz on Chindesaurus & Dromomeron.

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Lediblock2 [2018-05-28 07:02:13 +0000 UTC]

You could also explain the greater girth as the body bloating a bit in death.

This is a really awesome piece, man. Keep up the great work!

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jmarkoff2 In reply to Lediblock2 [2018-05-28 09:58:10 +0000 UTC]

that makes perfect sense

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