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Zeimyth In reply to ??? [2010-01-16 16:19:48 +0000 UTC]

Okay, now I'm going to see how long this one takes. XD

Heh, glad I'm not the only one!

I like explosions from a more physics-oriented perspective. It's fun to watch them roll and swirl and turn into clouds of smoke as they disappear. It's like the motion of clouds, but sped up a lot. XD Plus they come with a loud bang and a lot of heat.

Fantasy art is amazing when it verges on realism. You get something like, say, Avatar. Sure, it's 99% made up and computer-generated, but it sure looked real, and that's where the vast majority of the appeal comes from. Now, from a drawing perspective, realistic art is certainly amazing to see... but there's just something better in my mind about capturing something impossible in a realistic manner. XD

Hmm, that's interesting to think about. I know how dragons are really an amalgamation of a variety of animals, but I guess I don't think about it too much because I don't like to think about them as glorified lizards with wings and teeth. XD But I think the combination of animals is what got dragons started in myths and stories and all that... They would have the best parts of so many predators. Lithe as a cat, fast as a snake, etc. I've never really seen this from an art perspective (I don't make much of an artist, that way XD), though it probably doesn't help that I try to not bring animals into my dragons. Even if this happens automatically. XD I'm sure I woudlnt' care as much if I drew animals more, but for now all I really draw are dragons...
Heh, perhaps viewed as this combination they aren't so strange, except for the fact that they're a combination of animals. XD

Heh, true. XD And art always has a way of looking better in your head, no matter how well you put it down on paper.

Ancient weapons are more sophisticated. I guess this is partly from the culture and usage of these weapons... Guns today are just meant to shoot something. Somehow they're just a weapon, somehow less of... whatever it is that more ancient tools had. A decorative element, perhaps, or the honor that went with being a warrior.

I think you would have to develop a respect for weapons and other destructive forces if you admired them. In a way, the awe and respect they cause is part of what brings the appeal, I guess. I think about natural disasters - say, a hurricane. Immensely powerful and destructive, but if you're into such forces of nature, it has its own sort of beauty. In a way, it's almost the potential for devastation that brings the admiration and beauty for such things...

Heh, I can imagine; sorry I'm not someone who has and uses arms. XD

(One hour XD)

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TwilightSaint In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-21 18:09:42 +0000 UTC]

I like how they're just...so...different? I guess? I really don't think that's the word I'm thinking of, but it's the one that comes to mind now, at least, ha-ha. They're so powerful, I guess. It's strange.

Yeah, great example! Like I said, it's all about the 'realistic fantasy' - capturing some impossible in a way that makes it look like one could walk outside and experience it. I like to call my art/topics/epics 'fantastic realism' in that I'm working with one in the Crusades with fantasy devices (my dragons), and one set in the future (have I told you about this one?) in the war in the Middle East except with uber advanced weapons (and robots. :3 ) Two completely different topics that intrigue me in ways I can't describe, yet both have a significant similarity - war. But, of course, I don't focus ALL on the war stuff - there's an intricate web of backstories and really the aesthetics and visual imagery that makes it beautiful...to me.

I really don't like thinking of dragons as glorified lizards - maybe in a joking, sarcastic manner, but not seriously. I mean, really. People say that about the dinosaurs, and dinosaurs were perhaps the most physically advanced creatures ever to walk on the planet. (Compared to today's animals, seriously.) I mean... If you put a dragon, a dinosaur, and a lizard in the same room - sure you can compare them all to reptiles and such - but they're all their own critters of such.

Also, ancient weapons required a lot of skill to master and to be able to fight with. Of course, I'm not saying that modern-day military fighters don't need skills - those guys are fantastic! (Have you ever heard of the sniper that shot some guys from over a mile and a half away? O.o ) And they're all true heroes! But in ancient times, the weapon - one's sword or spear or axe - kind of identified the warrior - it was their symbol of pride.

No matter how much I may oogle over modern-day weapons, I always chuckle to think that per ten minutes, a hurricane releases more energy than an atomic bomb...per ten minutes...and those things can go on for days. Also, they don't cost millions of dollars and several weeks/whatever to construct - they just form out of water and air in the middle of the ocean. Like the recent earthquakes - they can level a civilization in five minutes whereas a bomb, like I said, takes millions of dollars and weeks for a little bit of fire. Even tornadoes can haul up tractor-trailer trucks and throw them into the air and a mile away! And we humans think we're so tough...

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Zeimyth In reply to TwilightSaint [2010-01-24 23:28:56 +0000 UTC]

Wow, we're just writing little novellas back and forth now.

Well, sure - they're the essence of power, almost. The release of energy always results in some kind of explosion or another. XD Unless it's a disappointingly slow release of energy.

Hee, so it's like taking reality and stuffing an element of fantasy in along with it, in such a way that you don't get distracted by the impossibility of the fantasy parts. XD It's always so neat to see the twist that fantasy gives to a story that is otherwise based heavily on reality. I think this kind of thing is easier to see in writing than in visual art, though... Or, at least, it is expressed differently.

Well, sure - obviously the war aspect is a huge part of the story, but it can't be the story. Besides, as a writer, including the details that make the characters more relateable and more human does a great deal to bring the whole wartime conflict to life. I imagine this is partly why you would chose to write about these two time periods.

Hee, good, cause anyone who seriously thinks that dragons are little more than lizards deserves to be nicely roasted and then eaten by one. XD Let's see if they think of them as lizards after that! Though, I must be honest, wingless dragons do start to look a little more lizard-ish... XD
Well, from an evolution standpoint, I think it's more correct to say that lizards are (de-)glorified dinosaurs. I don't know much about dinosaurs personally, though... I would never seriously consider a dinosaur to be a lizard any more than I would a dragon.

Well, for sure the ancient weapons took more skill and training to be able to use at all, whereas modern weapons are quite litterally just point-and-click. XD Of course, being good with modern weapons is quite another thing, but I think you could easily become quite skilled at them with only a little bit of training. Only the insanely amazing gun-wielders must devote their lives to their weapon the way ancient warriors would.
Yeah, and I think it's amazing that snipers can be this accurate. Gotta feel bad for the guy who thought he was safe wherever he was. XD It's incredible the kind of calculations that must go into making a shot like that...

Isn't nature amazing? XD We're worried that we might kill each other by nuclear war, but all it would take is an epic storm or a very slight shift in the Earth's orbit and we're all dead anyways. Nature is really something else when seen at its most terrifying.

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TwilightSaint In reply to Zeimyth [2010-01-29 16:33:21 +0000 UTC]

We seriously are! I think the comments/replies just keep getting longer!

Yes, yes - with just an instant, (or in most cases the splitting of an atom,) so much power and energy is released... And with nuclear weapons, the areas where they hit will be affected by radiation for thousands of years - in miniscule amounts over time, now, mind you, but still - the half-life will only go down so far and never actually go away. It's insane how they can have such a long-lasting impact...

Yes, that's exactly what it is! And like I said - even my dragons and robots are grounded in reality. I really like working with the robots in the way that I'm not using them in my story in that they were strictly 'created for war', like in most modern tales. Mine were actually being created to harvest naturally-occuring oil, coal, natural gas, and other means of energy that needed new technologies to get. But, it just so happens, that over the course of the story, while these robots are doing their thing and their internal hds and AI can allow them to continue working, (like everywhere,) a little group gets together and decides to ruin it for everybody... Namely, my cyber-hackers - my cyber-hackers...with guns. ._.
But also in 'Saint', the dragons are also grounded in reality and nature. Though they're not completely nutritive/sensitive critters like horses or dogs or whatever crap - they're very intelligent, very rational critters. However, there are also what I call 'rogue dragons' - basically the nasty wild dragons that were raised far away from humans or civilization and are completely wild and dangerous. (The 'tamers' of rogue dragons are seldom heard of...and typically short-lived...) But it's interesting how I can use, say, Idracil and Thomas to fight Juban and Haladin in the battle of Acre. It's a tiny element that creates a brand new explosive force in the way we look at it. Despite everything being true to historic events, (I've been doing loads of research on the Third Crusade,) I'm just adding in a little bit of spice for audiences...and myself, mostly. ^^

But back to the war, you're right. It's almost like the war situation, (in both stories,) is really the underlying cause for so many other things. If there wasn't a Crusade going on, Saint never would have traveled to the Holy Land, never would have met Yazin... If there weren't terrorists running around, (Element,) Amelia would have stayed in the US and Ankhn would have gone onto being a foreign ambassador. It's so much fun. I put my characters through so much.

I would actually go, (evolution-wise,) the route to say that birds are de-glorified dinosaurs. In that...well...
Now you've got me going. XD
Look at a dinosaur, and then look at a lizard. Right now, we're going to look at how they walk/carry themselves. First of all, the dinosaur walks with their legs directly under the body - stretching down to the ground - like...modern deer, or lions, elephants, whatever. When we look at lizards, their legs stick out to either side, and when they walk, this forces their bodies to swing from side to side and their bellies to be low to the ground.
Evolution-wise, this would pose a problem - if the lizard goes to travel at quicker speeds, the body is swung from side to side thus forcing the ribcage and the lungs against the side of the body, making fast breathing more difficult. For the dinosaur, the legs are right there at the ground and the lungs are kept still.
However, looking at different kinds of dinos, there is Saurischia - lizard-hipped dinosaurs - and Ornithischia - bird-hipped dinosaurs. Strangely enough, lizard-hipped dinos (like t-rex and raptors) are said to be the descendants of birds whereas bird-hipped dinos (like stegosaurs and ankylosaurs) are descendants of lizards. (Kind of stupid, huh?)
But if we look at it, raptors and rexes and even pachycephalosaurs had very down-ward facing hips with extremely large pelvises that were situated at a 'vertical angle', so to speak, and stegosaurs and such had lower bodies with out-ward facing legs with very flattened hips. So, it makes sense when we compare the leg/hip structure of a raptor to, like, a chicken, (of all things...) we see the correlation between the two. And if we compare an ankylosaur to an iguana, we'll also see similarities.

With all that said, it really depends on how you look at dinosaurs. (I'm sorry - I also studied dinosaurs HARDCORE when I was younger. ^^ )

That's your natural history lesson of the day, btw.

The sniper who shot the guy had another guy with him who was watching, and they said that the bullet took ten seconds from where they were hiding to the guys they were shooting at. So, they had to estimate where the guys would be ten seconds later from where they were. (They were walking.) Can you imagine?! :0
But yeah, like you said, most modern weapons are very ' push button get results' tools, more or less. Of course, it takes work to know how to take care of your weapon, how to maintain it, load it, fire it, work with it, etc, but actually using it as an extension of your body is something completely different.
I think that's what makes ancient weapons so endearing is because just that - once they're in your hands, they become a part of your body - what you do determines what the weapon will do. And, in order for this to work, you really have to know your weapon inside and out - as well as knowing your own body and abilities and what you yourself are capable of. There are so many more...psychological and philosophical things, I think, that go into using an ancient weapon over a modern weapon.

It does! It's strange. I guess that's how so many 'older' tribes and religions worshipped the earth/nature - they knew of the power and had a deep reverence for nature. It's curious when one compares tribal beliefs like this to deity-religions, who also see their deity as the cause for nature. Does it make more sense to worship/revere nature and understand it, or worship/revere the deity who controls it? It's interesting.

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Zeimyth In reply to TwilightSaint [2010-01-29 20:42:49 +0000 UTC]

Yup... XD Someone in a comment I just replied to noted how that conversation seems to be growing exponentially. It must be me.

The really amazing part is that, while we can cause these explosions (and, in some small way, control them), we can't nearly come close to replicating their effects. It's amazing how much raw power is found in natural forces like that. And the after-effects, the radiation like you talked about, seems like such an opposite the the explosion that creates it. On the one hand, you have a short-lived, immensely powerful blast of heat and light and noise and general destruction. On the other, you have a slow, filtering ambiance of poison that leeches into the ground and passively prevents recovery from the damage the explosion caused. Which is more deadly, I wonder? XD

There's something sadly cliche about using robots in warfare - and there's usually two ways to do it, I've found. On one hand, you can develop the robots specifically for war, and on the other you can have them start out as peaceful machines of industry until some computer virus or hackers or whatnot come along and give them a new purpose. I think the latter is more satisfying from a story standpoint.

I'm glad your dragons aren't simple animals. Can they communicate with people very well, though? I know you're trying to base them in reality, so I would imagine talking isn't an option. What about telepathy?
Hee, that's a neat way to change things up. Obviously if you're basing your stories in a real historical time period, you'll have real battles your characters can be a part of - though not really influence, since you're trying to stay true to history. XD It would open a lot of doors, though, as a writer. If there was a battle that one side managed to win against bad odds, or if one team completely obliterated the other, you could explain it away with a dragon-rider pair or two.

Not to mention the battles between two dragons that are then possible.

Their lives would have been somewhat more peaceful, sure, but a whole lot less interesting, and a whole lot less fun to read/write about. XD What would your characters do without you?
It's neat sometimes, for me as a reader, to try and see what kind of impact certain situations in the story have on the characters. Especially when I get done with the story and try to think about what might have happened, had the story played out a different way. Though I'm not very good at this, for the same reason I'm not good at managing characters in general...

Well, by the sounds of things, both are de-glorified dinosaurs. XD I can kind of see what you're saying by all this... But I don't have a good mind's eye for anatomy. I'm gonna have to go get some picture references. To Google! XD
I've never noticed the side-to-side motion in lizards (perhaps because I haven't seen many) but I think I get what you're saying. I've never thought of that as a weakness though... mostly since most lizards are small enough that the swaying motion wouldn't cause any problems for them. Or I would think so, at least.
Who came up with those names? Why would lizard-hipped dinosaurs eventually become birds and vice versa? That makes no sense at all. XD I can see the difference now, though. It's interesting, I've never paid attention to that difference in the legs before. I didn't know legs going out in stead of down was that significant (maybe I should pay more attention ).
Hmm. Maybe it would be more accurate to refer to dinosaurs by their legs rather than their hips? Call a t-rex bird-legged and a stegosaurus lizard-legged. At least that makes a bit more sense.

I didn't. XD I actually seem uncommon in that regard, though. Dinosaurs never interested me (which is perhaps why I really try to not base my dragons on dinosaurs).

Yay! Free lessons.

Goodness, are you serious? I can't even properly lead a target by a half second, let alone ten. That's absolutely insane. O.O

Yeah, ancient weapons really took your whole body to use. You wouldn't be of much use in a sword fight if you were reclining on a couch at the time. You wouldn't even have the sword for more than a few seconds. XD
I know that those kinds of weapons are often described as extensions to your arm (especially if it's one that was made for you) but I've never really used any, so I've never given that much thought before... Besides, for me personally I'm more interested in more natural weapons. Things like flame, claws, and teeth. XD Those are much more literally an extension of your body, but you would probably take that for granted...

Well, I think it's all just a perspective shift. With our technology and understanding of science, we have a far better view on what nature really is and what forces cause things to happen. We don't have to create deity to be the god of the wind, or water, or thunder, or the sun or the moon or any of that stuff. Of course, this doesn't mean we don't revere (or at least respect) nature and what it is capable of. We just don't blame the bad natural occurrences on this god or that and don't have to concern ourselves with worshiping/appeasing them.

Long reply is long. XD

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TwilightSaint In reply to Zeimyth [2010-02-22 00:30:50 +0000 UTC]

Ha-ha, really? Which one - I haven't seen it.

Aaah, yes. I think it would really be the long-lasting effects. Which, in a way, (hate to say this...) technology has kind of one-upped nature on the destruction scale. While, even after volcanoes, the life comes back, and even after hurricanes, the animals come back, after the bomb is dropped...that's it...for thousands of half-lives. It's difficult to comprehend, when put that way. It's sad.

Yes, exactly! Which is why I'm kind of trying to go about the...energy crisis theme? (Is there an energy crisis? ) I'm really going off the 'Oh, okay, c'mon, seriously. Technology will NOT be that advanced one-hundred years from now.' I'm sick of watching the movies where in twenty years we're driving hovercrafts and living in space. (That's what they thought for in '2001: A Space Oddyseeeeeee~~~' ) But I do have my cyber-hackers, but they aren't even complete cyber-hackers - they're freaking terrorists. Which is another crisis the world is having in many places!

My dragons communicate through body language and some vocalizations - like growling for Idracil/Westies, hissing for Juban/Measties, etc, etc... Though they're very intelligent - quite near rational. But like I said, there are also the rogue dragons, yada-yada-yada. Some of the dragons (all depending on their younger years) are more animal-like than others, but all can communicate/understand humans...save for rogues, but I already touched on that.
Aahhh...epic dragon battles... But it is very true! Like I said in lots of other comments and deviations - history is made so much funner with dragons... For me, it's taking some truly exciting - the Crusade - and adding another truly exciting element - dragons. So it's like the truly complete exciting and passionate EPIC going on all at once! Epic win!

Ha-ha, if I get around to sending you any Element, you'll see exactly what I can do to a character if I want. I rarely go absolutely crazy to a character, typically just getting them stuck in bad situations - like Saint. But others have an entire history of terror - literally, in Ankhn's case... But it's those events that make them who they are...just like real people...it's crazy. O.o

I know, really! The names don't make sense, but when you look at the anatomy and such, it really does! Ha-ha, and like I said, I have quite the history studying...history...and prehistory! I'm going to be in college for a loooooong time! (Especially with learning nine languages, whut-whut?! :0 )

But yeah - normally one wouldn't look at it that way, but coming from a history/artistic standpoint it makes sense. Like how the legs are set and such... But yes - it would probably make more sense to organize dinosaurs by their legs/anatomy rather than carnivore/herbivore/omnivore/whatevervore and such. (Like how pachycephalosaurus is in the family of marginocephalia but also qualifies for therapoda? Who is documenting these guys?!)

Ha-ha, I guess that's where I kind of use the 'blender' method of dragons instead of basing them off of dinos or exsisting animals. I stick a bunch of the best attributes in a blender and VROOOOOM out pops a dragon. ^^ (Which is why I don't go the 'flashy dragon' method of things, but y'know. )

Yes, it's crazy, isn't it! I mean...to have that kind of...eagle vision is all I can call it! But seriously!

I guess since I've been working with them so long and have such an appreciation for them, I have this sort of respect for them. It's weird. I actually call it a 'weaponrers affinity' just because that's what it is - an affinity. It's even cooler, *mini sword rant pending* because each sword/arm has its own personality - whether it's where its origins are from, what it was made for, how it works, and right down to the very making of the weapon and how it handles. Especially, though, how the holder treats it and respects it. I was thinking about my swords and thinking what kind of ' personalities' they have - I have quite a range, ha-ha. From my mellow bamboo bo-staffs to my mighty little Arabian short sword which has a mean little bite to it... To the calmness and aesthetics of my white Tai-Chi sword (my prize...) to the awe of my doulbe broad-swords (my babehs. ) It's fun.

Yes, this is true. It's also fascinating to see how quickly people can forget how forceful and powerful nature can be, and suddenly their town is flooded or on fire and they're forced to move. I think sometimes Mother Nature kind of puts her thumb on people that way, in a deity-ish sort of aspect. XD

Very long reply is very long. ^^

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Fey-rine In reply to ??? [2010-01-08 07:38:47 +0000 UTC]

i like it more than your drawings with lineart, i think that shading of the body is great and i like the dragon, but there is something about the whole picture i don't like, maybe the color composition or general lighting/shading.

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TwilightSaint In reply to Fey-rine [2010-01-09 05:50:29 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! I'm really having fun with the lineless stuff - I'm starting to get the hang of it, ha-ha.

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ShamelessAardvark In reply to ??? [2010-01-08 07:30:10 +0000 UTC]

Kung Fu!

Your long dragon = better than my long dragon.:3

This is really gorgeous, I'll have to say this is your best lineless as of nao.8D Moar pink clouds, moar red and green dragons!

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TwilightSaint In reply to ShamelessAardvark [2010-01-09 05:46:05 +0000 UTC]

Hai-yah! *chop*

Nyaw, yours are good, too!

Thanks! I really do have fun drawing long, I just usually forget, and then I suddenly remember and make them very fancy. *noms cotton candy clouds*

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ShamelessAardvark In reply to TwilightSaint [2010-01-09 08:10:39 +0000 UTC]

The feet on mine are baaaaaad. >.< I need to practice feet like no other. o.O

No problem! I love having fun drawing something, then not doing it for an eternity, then getting back into whatever was fun. It's fun.:3

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TwilightSaint In reply to ShamelessAardvark [2010-01-09 08:30:34 +0000 UTC]

Good thing I made the dragon feet tutorial! 8D

Yeah! I think I'll do that with style and such - like getting in and out of lineless, soft, cell, speed, abstract, etc in and out again. Ha-ha, 'tis fun.

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ShamelessAardvark In reply to TwilightSaint [2010-01-09 08:41:02 +0000 UTC]

Indeed-eo! I always doodle dragon feet and paws on my math homework..XD Some of my best stuff is aided by the magic of math. A magic which I phail at.XD

I really want to get into lineless, I just don't know where to start. But the picture that I'm entering for an Elemental Contest on NDA is going to be lineless..Hopefully it'll work out.

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TwilightSaint In reply to ShamelessAardvark [2010-01-09 09:08:24 +0000 UTC]

I love dragon feetsies. I just took a calculus quiz today, actually... *ponders grade*

I didn't either! I just lay down the flats just like how I would with lines and then I shade it. I keep my sketch over everything until I get my general shades down and can see what I'm doing. Maybe I'll stream sometime! And good luck with the contest! Send me the link to your pic - I don't check the NDA oekaki boards too often - busy with DA alone! *headdesk*

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ShamelessAardvark In reply to TwilightSaint [2010-01-09 09:17:22 +0000 UTC]

You're so good at them, too! I have a test on Tuesday, but it's on graphing, and I'm astounded at how many people don't understand graphing.

Really? That's such an interesting way to do it..Every time I attempt, I do regular lineart and color, then I remove the lineart. You should totally do a stream! Thanks, I'm probably gonna need it, there's quite a few good entries. I'll be sure to post the finished picture. For once, I'm happy with how it's turning out.8D

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TwilightSaint In reply to ShamelessAardvark [2010-01-14 23:39:58 +0000 UTC]

So far my calc test is alright - he's giving us two days - there're only a few things I'm worried about that I'll check tonight, lol.
HAH. Wait until you get into graphing derivatives!

Yeah, I guess it is. I've tried the painterly styles, but I'm assuming there's a learning curve with it that I'll get over someday, lol. I used to use the lineart/colour/remove lineart method, too, when I was just starting, but...I dunno... The lines threw me off or something. I do keep my sketch layer above the colours so I can see, but once I get the basic shades/shapes down, I then remove the sketch and go on from there. (My sketches are scribblings...literally! I can never figure out how such estranged figures in my notes can become such complete pictures. O.o )
I would love to stream, and I did love it! The only thing is my old laptop has trouble handling it.

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ShamelessAardvark In reply to TwilightSaint [2010-01-14 23:55:23 +0000 UTC]

As I have said, Calculus isn't math, it's magic. Therefore, you are wizard. -.0
lmao
I have a Bio test tomorrow, and I wasn't thinking when I took notes is Sharpie on my arm. Hopefully I don't get marked for 'cheating'..

I would try your method, but my sketches don't look complete without lineart, and I don't know, having the lines helps me.8/
Maybe I'll mess around with different ways of doing lineless.

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TwilightSaint In reply to ShamelessAardvark [2010-01-16 00:09:28 +0000 UTC]

I am a WEASTLY BIZARD! :0
Lol, good luck! ^^

Well, don't look into it - a sketch is a sketch. I do them everywhere, ha-ha! Speaking of which, you should see my calculus notes!
I would also like to get into the more 'ainterly' style of doing it. Heck, I want to get into all sorts of different styles. I want to have a 'large pallette', so to speak. X3

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ShamelessAardvark In reply to TwilightSaint [2010-01-16 00:13:43 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! I probably failed..XD Eh, I probably got a C or maybe a B.

Haha, I sketch all over my math notes, too! The other day, I drew octopi with top hats, mustaches, and pipes. Yesterday, I drew classy squid, eels, and crabs.:3
Yeah, same here. I wish I had the patients to sit down and try new styles.X/

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Legion-renaisance In reply to ??? [2010-01-08 07:18:27 +0000 UTC]

wow awesome drawing

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TwilightSaint In reply to Legion-renaisance [2010-01-08 07:24:40 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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