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Published: 2019-02-27 14:40:48 +0000 UTC; Views: 15736; Favourites: 334; Downloads: 25
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NYAH NYAH STOP LIKING THIS THING I DON'T BEEYOTCH!Joking aside, you wanna know the benefit of hating Kingdom Hearts (post Chain of Memories) like I do? You gain a better appreciation for the classic Disney movies. But in that appreciation lies the one big negative of hating Kingdom Hearts, you can see all the ways its story could have been told better. And worse yet you are powerless to change it. Maddening doesn't even begin to describe it.
And that brings up the big irony of Kingdom Hearts. For as much as it prides itself on being "fan ficy as fuck", the guy writing it surprisingly has little creativity for the third party characters. I mean shit in just five measly panels I all but showed the one way KH3's story would truly be the greatest in the series, the ending that the Dark Seekers Arc deserves. I dare you KH fans to look me in the eye and tell me you wouldn't have wanted this, I DARE YOU.
Funny enough I was gonna have both Woody and Buzz but I had to keep the overall count at 21.....yes I'm gonna be doing a proper punchline with this.....
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I would have wanted the FF characters to be alongside Sora and the other Keyblade Wielders. Not a bunch of Disney Plus Ones. Don't get me wrong. I like em. But it wouldn't have been as cool. They're just special guest stars along for the ride besides Donald, Goofy and Mickey.
The thing that does hurt KH is the fact that it's a crossover with Disney. While that is Cool and there are some cool things about it. Disney doesn't mix too well with Final Fantasy type story telling.
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Something quirky to know of, but Chain of Memories kinda much retcons Sora's memories of Tarzan over turns out Nomura had no right to use Tarzan in the first game.
But what Hades-Hando says is true. Anyone can make a neat turn and change for Kingdom Hearts to make it all the more interesting to read of.
Like I have a idea of maybe retelling Kingdom Hearts with so far no original characters, like Sora and company, being present and the main heroes being Mickey, Minnie, Daisy, Donald, Goofy, and Pete! Yes, Pete too. Like the idea of many Petes have been dug in with Mixed-Up Adventures and like that's where I stem the story's start in.
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Hell, anyone can make the story of Kingdom Hearts better, through untangling the mess and sorting things out, like what I did for to past 2 days, to today, at Valentine's day (Oddly fitting) to have done what I did. Like I have my own crossover universe, Bagklock, OK?
I made the big bulk of the timeline for my crossover universe's Kingdom Hearts timeline, set on one of the planetoids of Bagklock Earth, it having an huge dimensional rift problem after an certain War, running alongside another one, which is the timeline of my main OC's life, Earl Zolubu, which is on Bagklock Earth itself. owo
Then, I added adding some lore into it that I think the story needed, like the talk between Yen Sid and Erequs, after he got his scar from his fight with Xehanort, but before Birth by Sleep, and Yen Sid telling the other about EVERYTHING: The nature of the Keyblades, the Keyblade War, which he was a part of when he was young, like the mre notion of PRIME YEN SID, the 'Wizard King of Light', the nature of Data, the Heartless, the Foretellers, even if in some big pieces, the such.
And then, the lore of prime Yen Sid having to fight an Heartless 'jester' turned God of Darkness and Magic, after ruining his world and going out to the others, with the Disney Villains, *Kefka*, until Yen Sid finally defeats him and leads to the World That Never Was, which was formerly an nameless city. Literally nameless.
Literally one powerful as hell Disney Wizard VS the Heartless version of the nihilistic jester turned God of Magic, Kefka, from Final Fantasy VI.
So yeah. owo I have no budget, just my computer and my brain,and I think I did an decent job just trying my own take on the story.
And yes, I would love to see this scene of Sora and the Disney characters, go up against Xehanort, if Nomura actually put in the effort back in the development of KHIII. I would love that! XD
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This is great, I wished all the Disney heroes and heroines would leave their home worlds and join Sora, Donald and Goofy in their first and final battle against Master Xehanort. Then maybe Kairi's death at Xehanort's hands before the conflict wouldn't have escalated like it did.
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I've got it! I've finally figured out where the kingdom hearts series started to go downhill!
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I already know. Tetsuya Nomura forgot he was making a Disney game around Chain of Memories, started to get up his own ass.
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Yeah well the introduction of xehanort and the various retcons that followed made it even worse in my opinion. Doesn't change the fact that the game would have been much better if it was more like the above comic.
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While this certainly would have been an interesting way to approach the series, I really wouldnβt have wanted a Keyblade War like this.
The KH series has always worked best when itβs able to keep a sort of overlap between the Disney/FF stories and the main storyline, but not entirely making them the same.
I can understand wanting to make the Disney characters have more presence, but I feel like going to this length undermines the original storyline of the games.
Admittedly, KH3 did have more than its fair share of writing problems...
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The original story was that there was only one Keyblade, just one, and it had sentience to the point that it recognized Sora's true potential after he stood up to Riku.Β
Everything else to come including the Keyblade War was a retcon, literally the same sequel milking shenanigans you'd find with making a stand alone film like the Matrix into a trilogy just to make more money.Β
And if you're seriously gonna tell me he had this all planned out just because of that secret movie? Well, let me introduce you to the concept of "sequel baiting"...
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I won't argue that Nomura had it all planned out, because there's no way in hell he had written everything that's happened thus far in advance. But, honestly I don't really have that much of a problem with him sort of adding onto the story as he goes along.Β
Is it a bit of a choppy way to write a story? Yes.
Does it lead to a lot of rewrites and reversals of things that have already been established? Yes.
Are there better ways to write a story? Yes.
Is it the worst way to write? No.Β
Honestly, I would make the argument that a lot of sequels, expansions and side stories in series are guilty of the sort of 'writing by the seat of your pants' trick that this series is known for. While you could make the argument that this sort of writing shouldn't be used perpetually, and I would agree with you on that, I still think it's more often than not worked out fine, for the most part.Β
Usually (that being the operative word) the retcons of past events have been given justification both for why they exist and for why the truth was kept hidden. For example, DDD's statement that Nobodies could grow hearts made sense when it was explained that the body would try to replace its lost heart as soon as possible, and how the regrowth of a heart was tied to a Nobody's connections and interactions with others- something rather sappy, yes, but which has at least some connection to the ideas of what a 'heart' in KH is and what it can do. The reason we didn't know they could grow hearts before was also justified, since Xemnas wanted to keep the members hollow for as long as possible so that it would be easier to fill Organization XIII's ranks with Xehanort's heart rather than any other.Β
I can accept the argument that there's a lot of franchise-milking in the series, and you're definitely right that Nomura didn't plan it all beforehand. However, I don't think those problems are that bad, or that they distract very much from how much fun the series can be.Β
I won't try to convince you of anything, but I personally love the series despite its all-over-the-place writing (and, honestly, I love it a little because of just how outlandish it is).
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Yeah I was totally on board with it from the first game, primarily for being the kind of Disney game I never knew I wanted but so glad to have. But not only did Nomura play everything by ear with each sequel, little by little it ultimately felt like this series was actually ashamed of being a Disney game. I paid it no mind and just tried to enjoy the series as is.....
Then Nomura had to go and release Dream Drop Distance which basically told me to my face that everything before this game was a waste of my time and now only the third game actually matters in the grand scheme of things. That was the last straw for me. Since then I have been looking back in retrospect and just grew more angry with the story at its core elements. Plot points I either found interesting or simply tolerated now infuriate me to no end.
But I still love the first game unconditionally. For as archaic as its gameplay is I still cannot help but enjoy every playthrough.
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Why is the first one your favorite?
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It's the only one that feels like a proper Disney game, where Nomura's ego and habit of bad writing didn't get in the way of an enjoyable Disney experience.
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Sure Kingdom Hearts is a Disney game but it's also a Square Enix game...
But I kinda get what you are saying, I think KH1 was the game that felt like a the perfect balance of Final Fantasy and Disney, KH2 despite having good Disney worlds it feels like everything that matters happens outside of those worlds, sure Maleficent attacks the Disney Castle but Maleficent who was the main villan in KH1 is just a minor antagonist in KH2 who doesn't really do anything THAT important.
Is that how you feel about it?
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Yeah pretty much. The first game knew what it had and didn't waste it. But on top of that the story actually had Sora be a significant character in the plot, not just a convenient plot point axis to tie the story around. His actions had agency and impact, there was a genuine arc he went through and he actually stopped the bad guys instead of just playing into their hands.
KHCoM, he just stupidly goes further into Castle Oblivion and Org XIII nearly warps his memories, it ends up being Axel's interference that stops the process and gets Namine on the right side. KH2, Org XIII lets him kill Heartless unabated as it completes their Kingdom Hearts, it ends up being DiZ/True Ansem that stops them. KHDDD, the instant he entered the Mark of Mastery they had him marked and could lead him right into their hands, Riku and a couple side characters had to get him out. KH3, after hours of dicking around accomplishing nothing Sora just leads the Keyblades of Light right into the Keyblade War that Xehanort wanted and the bald fucker gets the X-Blade because of it. Oh sure in that last one Sora does defeat the bad guy but it doesn't conclude in a satisfying way, just give Xehanort a tact on redemption and blatant set up for KH4.Β Can't wait to see how Sora plays right into Luxu's hands....
Everyone keeps saying how he is so much better after the first game but turning him into a lovable goofball can only do so much. At best his lovable goofball persona was a band aid to cover up the inflicted mauling his character got as the series moved forward.
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I am a firm beliver that many problems with a story can be forgiven if the characters are good, to me characters make the story.
Sora, is the reason why I play Kingdom Hearts, having a Square Enix protagonist who is a lovable goofball instead of a brooding edgelord or a blank slate for the player to project onto was a breath of fresh air to me, but I have to admit that one of the things that annoyed me alot about CoM was how Sora didn't take a second to thing if he should continue walking through castle oblivion because a complete stranger told him, and instead just continues walking forward without planning.
And it wouldn't be so bad if he managed to find a way out of his problems but as you pointed out, other characters have to clean HIS mess and it really bothers me.
I like Kairi, I just wish Nomura did more with her, in KH1 and 2 her role was just the Damsel In Distress, in KH3 it's implied that she can kick just as much ass as Lea/Axel, BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT HER ROLE IN ANY WAY!
One of the only things that I liked about DDD was the conclusion to Riku's character arc, he was constantly afraid of being consumed by his inner darkness but in the end it's reveal that Riku's jorney made him a powerful force that the Darkness can't corrupt anymore, it made all the torment he suffered in the previous games mean something!
But...
It feels like his character are got dragged around longer than it should, in CoM Riku spent the entire game struggling with the Darkness only to realize in the end that he can't continue to fight his darkness because itΒ a part of him, he learns to accept the darkness and decided to use it to protect the light and the ones he loves.
But in KH2 they seem to retcon the ending of CoM because he is apperantly still struggling with darkness after castle oblivion...
SO WHAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT OF YOUR CHARACTER ARC IN CHAIN OF MEMORIES RIKU!!!???
*sigh* I could go on and on about this you know?
But I think you get the gist of it.
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Odd time for me to interject, but I kind of interpret Rikuβs growth in Chain of Memories as coming to terms with all the darkness in his heart and becoming his own master over it, while in KH2 he has no qualms about using darkness but still hasnβt gotten over how horrible he was to his friends in KH1. Basically he first needs to get over the hurdle of becoming a demon, then he needs to get over the hurdle of assuming heβs an irredeemable asshole that nobody wants to be around, which is why he avoids being near his old friends and tries to distance himself as much as possible.
Granted, this doesnβt explain why he transforms into Ansem when tapping into greater levels of darkness, but maybe he just figured that the only way to become even more powerful in use of Darkness was to imitate the only person he knew who was more advanced than him...
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When you put it like that, that actually makes sense.
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Organisation-13 Davy Jones sounds absolutely terrifying.
Calling it that his Keyblade would be a sawfish.
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jack will just run away in fear like crowd that he is babyΒ
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On a scale of: βWOW that was quickβ to βI waited five years for thisβ how do you feel about this clunker of a game?
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Glad I didn't pay 60 bucks on this shit....
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I wouldn't of wanted this to happen... but I still wish that KH3 was handled better.
Better tie in the Dark Seeker story into the Disney worlds, let you find the other Warriors of Light in the first half of the game instead of just the last 3rd. Allow you to play as all of the warriors of light at some point during the Keyblade war. Maybe have Malificent and Pete interrupt the fight making it a three way war (I wouldn't have them team up with Xehanort since their goals never really aligned).
Edit: I just thought of something interesting for Malificent and Pete to do. What if they brought other Disney characters to the Keyblade Graveyard to help fight the Dark Seekers, or maybe just help fight back against the Heartless. The whole idea of fighting to stop a common enemy. That way get the cool Disney interactions, and still get the pay off for all of those original Kingdom Heart Characters (For people like me who still like the Nomura characters despite their many flaws).
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That's always been my beef with this series after the first game, it stopped knowing how to better use what it has. Everybody is always going on about "Oh but Disney's lawyers will never let this or that happen unless they do it first", okay fine then hows about thinking of something else they will allow instead of fucking nothing? This isn't a Gordian Knot it's as simple as Tetris, just make the pieces fit in better however you can. But Nomura just isn't willing to put in the effort, none of these people are, they just accept what they get without question and continue to wish there were no Disney worlds at all (even if they say otherwise). And that just depresses me to no end.
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What it looks like recently to me is Nomura is wanting to do more of his own thing instead of dealing with all the hassle of the crossover aspect of it. Not just with Disney, but Final Fantasy as well. It kind of felt like KH3 was an obligatory bare minimum to wrap up things so he can move on to revisiting his FF VS XIII concepts.
I don't hate KH3, but I am disappointed in it until the last 1/4 where we got the payoff.
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a Nomura original concept, but it is a shame to see it come at the cost of the magic we got from crossover saw in Kh1 and 2.
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I see Sora took his training with Hekapoo to *heh!* heart!
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I heard somewhere that originally, the villains of the Kingdom Hearts series (asides from Ansem/Xehanort) were going to be Disney Villains and that there was going to be FAR more Disney elements in the series, but Disney decided to be difficult and gave Tetsuya Nomura to adhere to a ton of restrictions regarding the Disney properties, so as a result, he moved on to more original characters and created Organization XIII.
So one of the reasons Kingdom Hearts is the way it is... is because of Disney being difficult to work with, and it doesn't help the video game rights to Disney's properties are all over the place.
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I always viewed that as a convenient excuse to condone the lazy retcon filled writing on display, exactly the comfortable cowardice that a hack writer could ever ask for. Why does your story suck? Uhhh because so and so said I couldn't do this or do that! PHAH! Creativity thrives on limitations. A good writer would have been able to work around Disney's tight leash, push back if absolutely needed but ultimately solved the puzzle presented to them no matter how difficult.Β
And as we've seen, even when Nomura isn't stifled by higher ups, when given all the creative freedom to do as he pleases, he still fucks it up by redefining Cloud as this emo douchebag who needed to be coddled by Aerith's ghost, almost as if his character development in FF7 proper didn't actually happen. Also he used to be the director for Final Fantasy VERSUS XIII, then after six years of development hell the project was taken out of his hands and given to someone else (hence Final Fantasy XV). He had his shot, he fucked it up, and not one of Disney's lawyers was involved. That FFVII remake is not looking so good at this rate.
So I don't really care about all this "it was all Disney's fault" crap. If Nomura was half the revolutionary director people say he is, it wouldn't have taken 14 years just to see "Kingdom Hearts 3", hell we wouldn't have even seen half the spin offs that came out.
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Honestly, I could never get into Kingdom Hearts (partly because I never owned a Playstation 2, I preferred sticking to Nintendo consoles), but I do know the history of the franchise is very complicated, and often it feels like they stopped caring and started making things up as they went along. Kingdom Hearts is a very, VERY strange franchise, especially when it comes to all the sequels.
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COUNTDOWN TO KINGDOM HEARTS IV:
We just have to go through 2 DLCs for KH III: a free Critical Mode DLC and a paid Story DLC.
And then, we got a Kingdom Hearts III Final Mix At The end of 2019, with both DLC included, at the end of 2019.
Finally, we got another game set to release between KH III Final Mix and KH IV.
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Only one? I see at least three more before IV hits.
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Two at the very least if we are lucky.
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One of them involves Hayner, Pence and Ollette as the playable characters. That actually sounds awesome. And it's a point and click cutscene game in the same vein as Detective Pikachu. Son of a bitch.
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They were trying detective work in KH2, so it wouldn't surprise me.
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Well that's why fanfiction exists really.Β Hell half of the ideas I come up are a knee jerk response to some one else sloppy writing.
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I know that feeling too well. I lost count of the many times I screamed at the screen begging anyone to bring up Billy Batson just to shut Supergirl, Superman, Wonder Woman and Cyborg the hell up. I liked Injustice 2's plot a hell of a lot but even that could have been better in some places...
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In terms of Kingdom Hearts, half of those ideas involved actually going through the World's whole story and having some of those characters join the party for the rest of the journey.
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All the designs are excellent.Β
For some reason, I can imagine Else singing about kicking people's ass.Β
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