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Hunting is cruel!
No, it really isn't that cruel. In most scenarios, the animal dies quickly and barely feels a thing. Most of the time the meat is used, occasionally the fur, rarely the bones. Not to mention that if it's not used, it decomposes and adds nutrients to the soil. Not to mention it can feed scavengers that come across it. Either way it's a benefit. Not to mention, when compared to meat farms, it's a lot better - the animal gets to live it's life how it naturally should and it has a very good chance of not being shot.
People only hunt for profit!
Holy crap... Anyone who thinks that the only reason people hunt is for profit obviously don't know anything about hunting. When you go hunting, you need many things. To name a few:
Camouflage Clothes
Hiking Boots (Good quality ones)
Food
Knife
Gun or Bow
Ammo or Arrows (You should have enough for your entire time)
Tags,
ect.
Then, when you spend all that money and get what you want, you still have to take the carcass to a butcher. If you want, you still have to take the pelt/head to a taxidermist. That leaves little room for profit. The only real profitable hunting is poaching.
People who hunt are nothing but stupid rednecks!
This one's a big shocker. Overuse of stereotypes, much? Not to mention in the state of Idaho, you are required to take a hunter's education course before you can get your permit. You have to take a test, pass, and take a hunting test. These people know what they're doing. Unless they're from NY. Ever heard the story about the NY Elk? Ask.
Hunting is just driving out into the forest and shooting animals from your truck!
Actually, that's illegal. You have to get out of your truck in order to shoot. You don't find very many animals by the side of the road.
People who hunt hate animals!
False-a-roonie. I live in an area surrounded by hunters. We're all hunters. I have never seen one hunter who hates the animals that they hunt. Not to mention that a portion of the money from the tags goes to the conservation of the animals.
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You explained this great!
My father is a hunter and had to buy a gun, bow and arrow, warm clothing, food and he has to pay the butcher with his OWN money. He has never mounted a deer head and tries to utilize every part of the animal. He even tries to use the legs as coat racks so he doesn't have to throw them away. However, my father is NOT a redneck. He's a businessman and works in the city, yet still has a love for hunting.
Love this stamp! Nice work!
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Thank you SO MUCH.
This is EXACTLY what I think, and I'm glad someone agrees with me. So many people are against hunting and don't know the truth.
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I am very against hunting when it's purely for sport or poaching. However, I agree that hunting for food is actually quite a lot better for the animals involved than factory farming... Even better if the pelt/other usable parts are used. Especially when you consider there are some cow farms that grow cows with unusable meat just for better leather...
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People say that hunting deer is just so mean and cruel.
In my area it's swarming with deer.Β
And guess what happens when deer get on the roads?
Fun fact: deer kill more people than any other animal in the U.S.
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I heard a few stories about people waiting for deer to cross a road and then the people getting in a car crash.
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wow. i think you should take a little chill pill. why did you feel the need to wright all that? did you want to cause a fight with people who have different opinions then you?
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Shoot, I didn't realize that comment was over 3 months ago, sorry.Β
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Wtf do you mean? The reason why they worte all that is beacuse of all the ignorant wolfaboos and PETA members that shout "MURDER!" when they shoot an animal. "did you want to cause a fight with people who have different opinions then you?"
Why don't you ask that to the anti-hunters that abuse taxidermists?Β
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I love the stories about young hunters who had to eat accidently killed crows so they wouldn't go to waste.
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Oh god do I love this stamp 
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Aww, that's sweet :3
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So true...
I do enjoy going hunting but none of what I hunt do I not eat.
I love animals dearly but hunting takes you out in nature
and you are out and about finding food which is much more fun then
going to the store for something, I spent time with my family hunting
and I have to say if we didn't go hunting a few years ago when my dad
lost his job we would not have a dinner for many nights.
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When I finally move out, I really wish I could hunt to feed my whole family. Always better than a chicken boasted with hormones to make it better. I find hunting to be much more humane than slaughterhouses, where animals basically live in their own feces, and are fed with the cheapest food, regardless of it sometimes giving them diseases (for example, cows being fed corn even though they can get sick from it).
Just need the money, and the time to learn.
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Can I copy the description to my journal? I'll credit you ;3
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We had a need to hunt back then, because we didn't have big stores that sold meat, but now that we do, there's really no justification for hunting animals for food.Hunting for fur/trophy is just sickening, if I have to explain that, then I have lost faith in humanity.
Yes, populations overpopulate, and they have been before we came to lands, nature has its own way of taking care of that. We don't have the right to play god and decide whats the best for animals.
And how does it make sense that to conserve animals, we kill them? Maybe for a short time it works, but its not worth it to kill thousands just to keep things in "balance".
How do you people even feel when you pull that trigger, knowing you are just about to kill another life? A life that was born, raised, and is/was trying to survive in an already cruel world? Do you feel happy as you take its life? Do you feel success as it falls, taking its last breath? Is it because they don't have a voice to act out against you, that you kill them as you please? I don't even see how you people ignore the fact that you just killed someones child, maybe someones parent.
Killing a deer, or any animal really, is the same as killing a child. Both are innocent, both are powerless and both are a life. The only difference is at the end, killing a deer leaves you with cheers, and killing a child leaves you in jail or in the death sentence.
We already have millions of animals being killed every day in factories and farms, but apparently that just isn't enough. I'm not even going to go into how they are killed, it saddening.
Its bad enough that we basically took all their homes, killing families while doing so, and now we think we are justified taking their lives. Its even worse for the carnivores, killing them so we can go and kill their prey for fun or for food, which as I mentioned, is not necessary. Or killing them for population control, which is a load of BS, because if we weren't even here, stealing their land, killing their food, it wouldn't even be as bad as it is. Is the only solution to problems killing to you guys? Its like war, but the people who we are fighting have no guns, and no defense. One pop. goes up, the other goes down, that's the way it is, and they constantly switch place. Besides, if anything, we need population control. We have people starving, and not enough resources to go around, but we don't go around putting hunting periods for people.
Saying hunting isn't cruel because they don't feel pain is like saying that killing a person with a gun wasn't cruel because "the animal dies quickly and barely feels a thing". Well, it might not be cruel in a physical way, but what you did was kill another life, without hesitation, without regret. It's more of a mental type of cruelty, taking another life.
Heck, these animals have probably gone through hell living with people everywhere, and now you guys think that we are being the good guys by killing the survivors.
Well, you guys have a good time killing helpless animals. I hope hell is real, because then karma's going to be a bitch for you hunters.
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helpless animals? wolves and moose kill people most animals we hunt do. my little sister was kicked by a deer and I was pleased when I shot it. Animals do not think like humans wolves eat there dead not mourn it. Yes I love wolves but there's a limit. Do you eat meat? well a wolf died so you could have that hamburger because a farmer had to shoot it to protect his or her livestock which is a big deal to replaceΒ
after it was mauled by wolves. No not all of us Β hunt for fun we hunt for reason to protect livestock and our children and our cropΒ
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Justification how exactly?
I don't see how the use of chemicals justifies killing animals. Elaborate.Β
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I'd rather clean, chemical free meat. It's not healthy for people who regularly eat meat. I don't hunt, but we do know a hunter that gives us meat from his kill.
Neither me, my family, or anyone I know would prefer to eat the store bought meat that has stuff in it, sometimes old from sitting out for hours. No thank you. Last time I had store bought meat, I was throwing up for a week. Fuck that. I'll stick to fresh meat that I know is chemical free.
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Too long didn't read most of this bullshit.
You know, herding thousands of cows into a machine that smashes them up is just as "cruel".
What to know something? Hunting helps regulate viruses, population, and overall helps them. I'm not talking about over hunting. Have you ever seen what fucking happens when an animal over populates? Everything gets thrown off balance. Not talking about poaching or over hunting. If you hunt legally, it's regulating the population. Oh, not only that, the tickets help fund your reservation programs. Le gasp.
Animals eat other other animals.
We humans are still mammal. We are omnivore. Some monkeys will hunt birds and eat them.
Facts before you open your mouths, people.
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Yeah, I don't support raising a live just to be killed. I hate hunting just about as much as I hate animal slaughter houses. And the machines don't even do that, they get herded into the cylinder thing, and get stabbed, right through the head. It's sickening what people do just to have a meal.
"Hunting helps regulate viruses, population, and overall helps them."
Wow. Are you being serious? That is exactly what the natural hunters do. Wolves, panthers, bears, all sorts of predators mostly get the sick or old to eat, therefore keeping the population strong. Hell, maybe people would know this if we didn't kill most the natural predators a long time ago, and here we are killing more, and asking "huh, I wonder why these deer/boar/whatever is prey and that breathes are every where, we better go shoot them to save them!"
You know what really happens when prey overpopulate? Then more predators are alive because of the spike in food, then they both go down, until they reach a level where there is just enough food. Unless of course, we were stupid enough to kill the predators, then apparently that makes it okay to kill even more animals.
You know what else funds reservation projects? Actual out-of-good-will donations.
Animals eat other animals because they HAVE too. They can't waltz into a store to eat, most likely they will get shot. They can't survive on anything else. We however can. We don't have to rely on meat, we are perfectly capable of surviving on alternative sources of food.
And some chimpanzees rip apart and eat monkeys. We are more closely related to chimps than most others. We may be related, but that does not make us obliged to eat meat.
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In a few billion years, this planet is going to be a lifeless rock regardless of human actions, So in the end, does it really matter?
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We live short lives. They live even shorter lives. Who are we to take their, quite possibly only, life away?
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And yet they kill each other all the time, so how is it wrong for us Humans; which is part of the Animal kingdom, to kill as animals have for billions of years?
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Humans kill each other all the time, why can't I? Doesn't sound too moral, now does it?
Animals don't have markets that they can walk into, nor can they switch their diet to a more vegan one on a dime. We, unlike animals, have a choice on how we survive, (most of the time, in areas such as third world areas may be forced to hunt for survival) and I think that the way that evolves less death is the better path, for the animals and us.
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Without Death, What Purpose would Life have?
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We too die, but we want ourselves to have the best life possible, most of the time, I'm sure that the animals would also prefer to live, but those in the wild are given no choice on whether they kill or die, but we have a choice to kill them or not. For food, and I mean when its either impossible to get food, or very hard to any other way, then I can completely understand and that you have to hunt to live, but when you can get food, easily, by other means, let the animals live on, for however long that may be.
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Still about the same thing I described is it not? Getting ground through metal one way. But you somewhat support it with your statement, you don't know how people should still hunt, since we have grocery stores.
Do you know some diseases caused by overpopulation? Hunting is also regulated. Poaching when you do it illegally, I'm pretty sure we aren't hunting as much as you're statement would like us to.
So what about in this incident? We should just keep the mice because their animals.
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Because overpopulation is good, because the wild animals will just take care of them, since killing them as a pest is inhumane.
That does it too. But aside from that, so does hunting. Probably brings it in a lot more, since people love to hunt. I'm pretty sure there aren't people who will just throw their money around for anything.
We don't have to. In fact, earlier ancient men were eating meat. There are also many benefits to eating meat. It's that protein. Since you claim that humans don't have to eat meat, others think we obviously should. Pretty dumb to say that. If there was a major world crisis, such as a nuclear disaster, which is pretty more common than some other instances, what are you going to eat then? Who knows. Eating meat is a survival tactic, and we do it just like animals. Just because we have a plentiful abundance of vegetables doesn't mean people would want to eat them. Bears eat berries, but not all the time. And it's all around them too. Ever been to Alaska? Watermelon berries, raspberries, ect. Surely, not around them all the time but you get the point. Obviously the animal naturally prefers meat over something.
Then the chimpanzees aren't obligated to do almost cannibalism. Eating meat should not be as bad as you...seem to think it is.
What I've seen most in mother nature is that nature doesn't usually care how an animals feels. We are still part of nature, even though our technology brought us this far. We take territory just as any other animal would. We eat just as any animal would. And what did we used to do back in the day?
Hunt
It was a lot more easier than growing crops. And the hunting sport isn't in just humans. It's in other animals too. You know you're domestic cat? How cute it is just killing just about everything? Then leaving it alone to die?
Most hunters do use most of the animal. They also use things, such as the hide to made sleds for husky racing. Part of hobbies. They use the antlers for their own art or even religious practices. If anything, I think legal, regulated hunting is better than going to the store and buying something to eat. The meat is much cleaner too.
So hark on poaching. Not hunting. Poaching usually targets young animals, exotics, and the nearly extinct. That's a real problem.
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People hunt exotics anyways, [link]
and its not illegal, yet anyways.
I don't exactly see what you are meaning to say with that mouse video, I love mice and rats, I wouldn't kill them if I had an infestation. They are merely trying to survive as we do.
ββ¦more than two-thirds of the land area of the mountain states are used for grazing. 70% of the lands in western national forests are grazed; 90% of Bureau of Land Management land is grazed. These lands are trampled by the cattle, compacting the soil. When it rains, the land doesnβt absorb the water. Instead, it runs off, taking away topsoil, forming deep gullies and damaging streambeds. The government protects the cattle by killing off any creature that might threaten the livestock. They poison, trap, snare, den, shoot or gun down the wildlife. Denning, by the way, is the practice by federal agents of pouring kerosene into the dens of animals and setting them on fire, burning the young animals alive in their nests. According to Robbins, agents kill badgers, black bear, bobcats, coyotes, gray fox, red fox, mountain lions, opossums, raccoons, skunks, beavers, porcupines, prairie dogs, blackbirds, cattle egrets and starlings using these methods."
Just a small bit I found interesting.
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Huh. It seems to me that quite a lot of wolves have died in quite a small amount of time.
Overpopulation is naturally controlled, how much more can I stress this?
You know what else we used to do "back in the early days"? Guillotines, brassion bulls, hanging (which still goes on I think) electric chair, sending the mentally diseased children to have their brains messed up or sent to an asylum, hunting and torturing/killing witches... need I continue? Just about all off these are no longer done, or marked as atrocities.
Six-thousand to ten-thousand wolves lived in Alaska in the mid-1980. There were only one-thousand, three-hundred wolves that lived somewhere else in the United States, and most of them in Minnesota. Ranchersβ and government agents started a campaign that eliminated wolves. Bounty programs were initiated in the nine-teenth19th century through 1965, and offered twenty to fifty dollars per wolf.One-thousand wolves have been killed by aerial gunning in Alaska since 2003, and state officials plan on killing even more with the aerial gunning, poison gas, and snares.
It really seems like to me we secretly want to kill all of these wolves just so we have more game to hunt of our own. Which does go on, we kill the predators, so we have more prey to hunt. We are one of the most selfish and greedy creatures to live on this planet.
We continue hunting, and the next thing you know more and more species are going to become endangered, more are going to become extinct, and I believe that only when we kill off every last poor soul for the sake of a thrill of the hunt, we will realize what we've done.
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That mouse video was to prove a few problems of over population.
Guess you like rotten mice where you sleep and where you eat.
If anything, they need to cut back on hunting, if that's the case. And they usually do. And what about other animals?
The whole world is pressing not just because of hunting too. The climate is changing also. Land is pressing. I'm pretty sure a bit of hunting doesn't kill 3k penguins a year.
Saying those things has no relevance to hunting. Useless to this topic.
Wolves. lol.
No.
That was government propaganda, not hunting. Slaughtering. Not hunting. It was a campaign. People who really hunt do not get paid out of just killing something. That's different. Especially when you talk about the aerial dunning, poison gases, and the snares.
Legal, commercial hunting will not wipe out all the animals of the earth. That's just not going to happen. I've been hunting before. I know that when the population goes down, hunting licenses are put away. Don't mix up government stupidity with real hunting. "Human evil" does not equate to a man whose sport is simple hunting under a supervised state.
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I actually live with mice, I feed them, take care of them. Creatures surviving are not the problem, its the reactions that are.
But a "bit" of hunting does kill more than 200 million animals a year.The annual death toll in the U.S. ALONE includes 42 million mourning doves, 30 million squirrels, 28 million quail, 25 million rabbits, 20 million pheasants, 14 million ducks, 6 million deer, and thousands of geese, bears, moose, elk, antelope, swans, cougars, turkeys, wolves, foxes, coyotes, bobcats, boars, and other woodland creatures. Yeah, its definitely not a holocaust here.
I was merely saying that we hunted back then, as did we conduct all sorts of other atrocities, and hunting should be with them.
So, all those lives killed don't matter at all? They just died, and get no justice? Do you even realize how many species have been hunted to extinction just for a bit of fun? Lets just name a few...
Thylacine
Quagga
Passenger Pigeon
Caribbean Monk Seal
Pyrenean Ibex (we even tried to bring this one back, but that failed)
Bubal Hartebeest
Javan Tiger
Caspian Tigers
Dodo bird
Great auk
Falkland Island wolf (first canid to go extinct, not the last however)
Zanzibar leopard (we purposely hunted this one to extinction)
Carolina parakeet (killed to make freaking hats)
Atlas bear
Toolache wallaby
Sea mink (hunted so fast we never even got to know how they behaved)
Stellar's sea cow
Bernard's Wolf
British Columbian Wolf
Cascade Mountain Wolf
Kenai Peninsula Wolf
Manitoba Wolf
Mogollon Mountain Wolf
Newfoundland Wolf
Southern Rocky Mountain Wolf
Texas Gray Wolf
Florida Red Wolf
Swamp Wolf
Hokkaido Wolf
Honshu Wolf
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Today we have strict regulations regarding hunting and the amount of game that can be taken, based on science. Your list is not relevant.
I'm pretty certain gassing burrows is illegal now too (unless you have unbiased proof it's still done?)
I don't even know why I'm telling you this, because if you truly believe the absurd notion that we all kill for fun, enjoy killing, and that animals are innocent and helpless(haha, no), there's no helping you.
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To the animals that are going to be part of that number, it affects them, it changes their whole world with their unnecessary death.
Ah yes, look at all the species wiped away because of us, and not care at all. Why doesn't anyone feel anything for these animals that have been forced to share this world with us?
In the face of a gun, those animals are helpless. Look at that dangerous rabbit, better shoot it to make sure no one gets bit or scratched.
I believe that we use excuses to kill when there are ways that require the death of nothing, but we choose to save money instead of saving lives.
In many areas, hunting is necessary, because the people can't get enough or any food by any other methods, but in areas where it is quite possible to get food without killing anything, directly, I don't see the need for killing animals, mostly for their own good. What if we directed that logic at stray pets? Oh, there's too many loose dogs here, lets shoot some, but leave enough so we can shoot them next year too.
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We've been over pretty much all of that. Yet it's still said, over and over.
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I'm merely responding to the comment and with whats given. If all you give me to work with ends with repetition, then it seems we've reached the end of this discussion. The last comment I made was months ago, nearly been a year, I truly think that this has lasted enough and we can both see that neither of our ideals well be swayed, or anything learned.
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Still not relevant to this topic. Hunting is a survival tactic down to the bottom line. Naming "atrocities of the human race" does nothing for you in this topic. Very useless too. You can't just pit every horrible thing humans have done with hunting. Hunting isn't as bad as you say it should. The animals you wish to love and cuddle would probably eat you first. 
And do you know the number of population of most of those birds? Have you seen the population of doves (pigeons) in New York? The birds shit everywhere. And that's altogether. U.S.A may not be a the biggest land, but that are the animals altogether, not in a secluded area. I don't know what holocaust you speak of now. There are also many people that dye by the millions each year too. It's nature.
And some of those "wolves" are just gray wolves in certain locations. Or to your lovely desire, "subspecies". And there were other mammals that went extinct for other reasons as well.
But things have changed this day in age, so speaking of hunting nowadays and giving me that list doesn't really do much for me. Many animals went extinct. Look at the dinosaurs for the biggest of instances.
So what justice are you helping with? Telling people they should go to hell for hunting animals, just as animals hunt them? Boy, then if you ever killed a fly, you'd go to hell to. Bigotry is a bitch.
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There was nothing we could of done for the dinosaurs, are you suggesting we were alive back then? If you're suggesting that it was in our power to save them even before we existed well then, what have you been smoking?
So you're saying just because something is a nuisance, we should kill every last one of them? You do realize that genocide is not a good thing right?
You merely mentioned that we hunted back then, so I mentioned what else we did back then. There is a relationship between the two, anyone can see that if they actually tried.
I would rather not "cuddle" with a wild animal, I just wish to see them live in their own environment without being gunned down for the sake of amusement.
That list were just some of the animals that were killed specifically because of hunting. To name all species that have gone extinct because of other reasons (such as us stealing land and resources leaving them to suffer and die slowly as we carried on with our lives) would be quite a long list too, but it doesn't change the fact that we hunted many species to extinction, and yet we seemed to of learned nothing, and say that hunting causes no harm, even though we are shooting animals which clearly does cause harm.
Does it matter that they were subspecies? Thousands of them killed for sport, and yet you don't care? These animals can never be brought back, they tried to bring some back, but that ended in tragic death. 200 million deaths, each year, caused by guns, bows and arrows, whatever, that's not nature, natural deaths would be from illness, starvation, conflicts, and age. People die by the millions by sickness, old age, and starvation, not by us trying to get fun out of their deaths. When we do that to humans you see, its murder, when we do that to other animals, apparently its a game, merely a sport that causes the countless numbers of deaths. War also causes many deaths too. If you are trying to say that shooting/poisoning/trapping an animal is nature, then once again I ask, what have you been smoking. That's like saying that if a guy got shot, it was nature. Or if a animal got run over, it was nature. Its not nature, its us being stupid and showing no concern for our actions, and how they affect the life around us.
I don't believe in hell. I believe that instead of putting ourselves in front of everything, we should stop killing animals for sport, we should care for them, show compassion. After you killed something, you can't do anything about it, whats done is done, but what we can do is stop this slaughter and let to animals continue on with their lives as we would like to too, not cut them short of the years they still had.
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You didn't read what I put. I highly doubt we were trying to save the dinosaurs. It was an example of species also naturally going extinct.
I didn't even insinuate that. Don't twist things around now. 
There is a huge difference. There is not a relation to people raping children, burning witches, to simply hunting animals. There is no relation. Unless you think that killing a young child is just as bad as hunting an animal for food when money and food are dependent on that back then. Like I said, for most people, there is a huge difference, especially when you talk about hard times like that.
Hunting is not always "for amusement", and is almost never. Some communities rely their economy solely on hunting, even how brash it is. Sure, some people are cruel, some people don't follow the rules, but you can't simply blame on that on every hunter. That's a very bigotry statement to make. It's not open minded either. You can be against hunting, but not to the point you should condemn everyone since you have probably never been around a family that relied on it. There is a lot more than just the cruelty to the animal.
I never said I didn't care. But you are basing this off of something you might not quite understand.
As I said before hunting is regulated now. We are not going to wipe out the animals if we follow the rules. You keep going over in a loop how cruel it is when nature is just as cruel.
Since you want to get really interpretive with this, how about this? If you say hunters should go to hell, that makes you just as bad as the people hunting. Really. Basically you want people who hunt earnestly to go to hell.
That's bad. Hating a thing that humanity does and hating them for it won't do you any good. You should speak with a honest hunter who does follow by the rules instead of trying to pit everything against them. I honestly do agree with you somewhat. In some places, we should cut back on hunting, but it's not that drastic of a problem. Poaching is. Going out of your way to go against the law. That's when hunting gets at it's worst.
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The dinosaurs died from a giant asteroid that fell from space. That's not exactly nature.
A good example for what you are thinking of is the Golden frog I think it is called, a drought caused the ponds and puddles to dry up during the time where they have babies, and only about 27 survived. They went extinct because of that. But that in now way justifies for us making species go extinct now does it?
No relation hmm? In both cases, you are harming/killing something that can't fight back, you are ruining lives, you are causing suffering, death, you are killing/harming the ones who did nothing wrong. There's your relationship.
"Hunting is not always "for amusement", and is almost never."
So, you people don't find amusement in killing animals? Tell me why people smile when taking pictures of the killed animals, why they put their dead bodies up as objects and nothing more, why they even pull the trigger. Face it, you hunters find pride in the fact that you are on top, that you kill them, that you have the power, and that you are about to add another kill to your name. You find pride in killing, and in that pride is fun. You find it fun. You take your children to kill the powerless. You want them to become killers too. You are your happiest knowing that the victim was hit, that it was killed.
We don't have to be like nature, we are only obliged to care for it, which we already failed at.
As I said before, I don't believe in Hell.
If killing animals as a sport isn't a problem, then I've lost faith in humanity. Oh wait, I already have,
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That's not nature?! An asteroid is not a natural way to go? Cause it's a space rock? Do you know what natural means?
"The phenomena of the physical world collectively"
That's everything. Cant believe you don't know that.
Thank's for supporting for my own facts!
Oh animals don't fight back? Bears don't kill people? That's a crock of poo! That's the biggest poo load I've ever read! Whatever. You think that killing children is the same as killing a old deer then be it! You're pretty humane.
So there shouldn't be any enjoyment in hunting either?
OH! LMAO.
You think a life style, regulated, is a way to make more "Killers"?
Good for you. You just also said that children are doomed to go to hell too.
I hope you don't kill a fly. Or didn't.
We are nature, weather it's a choice or not.
We failed at it? Alright. Then all those conservative programs failed too.
You don't? Let's meet the quote what you said.
"Well, you guys have a good time killing helpless animals. I hope hell is real, because then karma's going to be a bitch for you hunters."
That's bad. You have to somewhat believe in hell if you hope people do. That don't fly. You could have said everything else, without that comment. But go on and on.
Good, you lost faith in humanity, go on and go outside. Stop using man made things, stop using this computer. Stop using everything. If we are so horrible in regulated hunting
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Well, asteroids falling from space and wiping out all species isn't something that occurs very often is it? My apologies for not being clear.
It still doesn't justify us wiping out more animals, that's the point I was trying to make, but all rightly then, you're welcome.
Well, the way I see it, we moved onto their original land, destroy their homes, hunt their food, kill their families, they kill one of us as an act of desperation, and suddenly they are the monsters.
Why are you constantly bringing up Hell? I don't believe in the dang place dude.
All I'm saying is that hunters feel pride and enjoyment in killing something, that's just not right.
Well, lets look at what we got here, most animals are now left with less than 10% of their homes, populations deceased by over a half, landfills are filling up and taking up more space than we can imagine, complete ecosystems have been demolished, invasive species are devastating native ones, oil spills have become problems that last forever, I could continue on and on.
I don't believe such a place is real, but I guess in a way I have stupid hope it is so that killers can suffer there, but hey, that would also go for every damn carnivore out there, so I wouldn't bet on the place being real. Don't quite believe in Heaven either, though I still have hope it exists so I can meet the deceased when I die.
It's sad how we have made ourselves so dependent of objects such as computers and TVs, but nah, I'll rather stay on here. I don't see how the creation and usage of a laptop is directly related to hunting, but what ever floats your goat man.
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Then don't say it at all. It's still nature.
We have to have territory too. What was originally theirs? What was originally ours? Human take territory just as every animal does.
Because you said it. You obviously believe it if you hope someone goes there.
You're not right. Not all hunters are a bunch of Ted Bundi.
You don't know what you're talking about. Landfills don't have any mother fucking thing to do with this subject, nor does bringing in more grievances of humanity. Over population has nothing to fucking do with hunting. Please stop being irrelevant to the topic. And if anything, the worst landfills are in the biggest cities which are in secluded parts and do not overlap as you say they are. And do you know how much wildlife landfills? Have you ever seen how many eagles there are in Alaska around those landfills, because of the mice?
Then you have never should have opened your mouth. Saying people should go to hell ain't right like that if you don't want feedback. You still believe if you have hopes in it. Don't lie.
Then don't open your big mouth about hunting which is a man kind practice, or at least, don't say they should be eternally condemned to either unless torture or no soul.
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I don't believe in Hell, but I use it against the people who do.
We can have land, but we have to think about the animals we are supposed to co-exist with too.
If hunters didn't like what they are doing, killing animals, then why are they doing it? No ones forcing them to kill animals.
I actually had to search up that Ted Bundi guy. What a lovely fellow. He's the reason why Hell should exist, but most likely it doesn't.
I would be lying if I said I believe in Hell.
"We are nature, weather it's a choice or not.
We failed at it? Alright. Then all those conservative programs failed too."
That was what the landfill thing and oil spill thing was talking about, we failed at preserving and protecting nature.
Believing and wishing are actually different things. Believing is you know something is there/real. Wishing/Hoping is thinking is would be nice if it were real.
I'm saying killing any life is wrong, I think that we and the wildlife are equal, we are each one life, nothing more, we aren't worth more than them, we shouldn't have the choice on wither one lives or dies.
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You just stopped believing in this after I had quoted it. Just because you use a term like that, doesn't mean you can withdrawal from it if I call you on it. So you use the term and believe in it when you want to condemn someone you don't like or the people who do it.
Oh sure. Like those rats. We should think about them, but animals also wander into our territory when we haven't taken any of "theirs". Mainly when deer overpopulate in small communities that don't allow hunting whatsoever. Ohhhh look at that. Deer do overpopulate.
Good, you actually learned something today. Oh there you go, you are still flinging I hope they go to hell thing. Quite nice, even if Ted Bundi was a huge mental case, that doesn't excuse you from using on honest hunters, not poachers. Stop talking about poachers by the way.
Quit bringing bringing up something irrelevant already. This isn't proving anything now. We have "failed" many times, but that has nothing to do with hunting nor animal populations in this direct conversation.
No they are not. Believing is having a faith in something, and faith is a type of hope, and hope is a type of wishing. You know you got yourself in this, stop trying to correct yourself incorrectly now. You really don't sound very intelligent.
You wish that we are equal to wildlife?
OH BOY.
EVERYONE GET OUT YOUR GUNS, WHERE HAVING WOLVES TONIGHT!!!!!
Thanks for wishing and hoping that we were just as equal wildlife. That means, you really agree with hunting!
You can go on and on your tangent. You really don't know what your doing, most of your paragraphs are really written in a way that is hard for me to read. You should really learn to use the shift kept to separate your paragraphs. That being said, you have not proven much of a point, other than you believe that people with a honest, regulated skill or means to provide should be condemned for such a thing.
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And why do deer overpopulate? The lack of natural predators, which was caused by us.
Poachers, kill animals for fur
Hunters, kill animals for sport
Yep, not really seeing a difference here, either way an animal is wrongly killed, and one is illegal and one isn't.
I don't believe in Hell, I did when I was what, 7? I wish for there to be a Heaven and Hell, but hoping and believing, as I said before, are different things.
Animal populations are being demoished because of our failure of conservation, and here we are, still killing them. Sorta like double jeopardy in a weird way. Oh, lets go destroy you land, put poison everywhere, introduce all these invasive guys, take all the resources we want away, AND go shoot you and your families!
How nice of us hmm?
"I think that we and the wildlife are equal"
I used the term think, which means I think we are, cause we are equal. I wish that people would see that and stop throwing animal lives out the garbage.
Eating wolves? Sorry, but that sounds wrong, it would be like eating a dog, because they are like you know, the ancestors of our pets? After all the times in the past that wild dogs/wolves had been tamed, and help us survive, this is how we treat them?
Shift key? Don't you mean the Enter key? I use it, only once though.
As I have said before, there is nothing we can do about the ones we have already killed except stop others from being killed. I have never once mentioned that they should be killed or put into jail, but really, every one dies at the end, I just think that that means that everyone should be allowed to live a long happy life, and I'm pretty sure being shot in the middle of your life wouldn't be a fair death. Its hard enough for animals to survive, now we are killing the survivors.
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There are animals that kill for sport, you do realize - it's a documented activity in brown hyenas, spotted hyenas, cats, dogs, and any number of other animals. They don't use the corpses. They don't feed on them. There is no practical purpose - it is simply an activity they do for fun. Similarly, bowerbirds will kill animals to decorate their nests. It's not to eat. It's not needed if they want to live. It makes their nests pleasing.
You claim to think that we and wildlife are equal. I completely agree. But every species sees itself as the best, and that's okay. The spotted hyena that kills a fox thinks it is better than the fox. The cat that kills a mouse (but won't eat mice, ever) thinks it is better than the mouse. It's each species' nature to consider itself better than other species. As we have an unusually high capacity for reason and foresight, we're able to see ahead and take ecological problems into concerns. But species, given the chance, will wipe out and make extinct their rivals. We don't really have any rivals at this point - if we did we would do the same, or they would do the same, or we would learn to live. We'd probably be segregated by nature - species naturally segregate. Lions and spotted hyenas will give each other hell in shared territories, but in most cases, they're well-matched enough that neither will die. They uncomfortably coexist, skirmish at times, and keep living together.
I disagree with your view of humans as something apart from animals. We are animals. Most of what we think of as human activity - be they "human" sins of prostitution, use of tools in murder, use of tools in nonprocreative sex, casual and nonreproductive sex, adultery, killing for fun, killing for decorative purposes, or be they "human" goods such as use of tools in food gathering, powerful friendships, raising of orphaned relatives, raising of orphans of the same species by members of the species failing to conceive, bonds between siblings, family living, etc - are shared with our fellow animals.
I'm not particularly interested in fighting with you over the meaning of this information - although I'd be happy to discuss it. I simply think you should consider it, because for all you speak of us as equals, you seem to think humans are far superior.
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Well, I do think humans have advantages over animals, but instead of using it to harm them, we should use it to help them.
I don't think its right to use ones wrongdoing to support our own. That's kinda like saying there are people that murder and get away with it, why can't I do the same?
But humans don't really have that instinct to kill, its more of a choice, I would just prefer to let life be, and live on, maybe help it when it needs help because we've done so much harm.
I don't see animals building technology or weapons of mass destruction 
I'm more than happy to discuss, and I apologize for the late response, I haven't been on DA for a while.
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