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Hunting is cruel!
No, it really isn't that cruel. In most scenarios, the animal dies quickly and barely feels a thing. Most of the time the meat is used, occasionally the fur, rarely the bones. Not to mention that if it's not used, it decomposes and adds nutrients to the soil. Not to mention it can feed scavengers that come across it. Either way it's a benefit. Not to mention, when compared to meat farms, it's a lot better - the animal gets to live it's life how it naturally should and it has a very good chance of not being shot.

People only hunt for profit!
Holy crap... Anyone who thinks that the only reason people hunt is for profit obviously don't know anything about hunting. When you go hunting, you need many things. To name a few:
Camouflage Clothes
Hiking Boots (Good quality ones)
Food
Knife
Gun or Bow
Ammo or Arrows (You should have enough for your entire time)
Tags,
ect.
Then, when you spend all that money and get what you want, you still have to take the carcass to a butcher. If you want, you still have to take the pelt/head to a taxidermist. That leaves little room for profit. The only real profitable hunting is poaching.

People who hunt are nothing but stupid rednecks!
This one's a big shocker. Overuse of stereotypes, much? Not to mention in the state of Idaho, you are required to take a hunter's education course before you can get your permit. You have to take a test, pass, and take a hunting test. These people know what they're doing. Unless they're from NY. Ever heard the story about the NY Elk? Ask.

Hunting is just driving out into the forest and shooting animals from your truck!
Actually, that's illegal. You have to get out of your truck in order to shoot. You don't find very many animals by the side of the road.

People who hunt hate animals!
False-a-roonie. I live in an area surrounded by hunters. We're all hunters. I have never seen one hunter who hates the animals that they hunt. Not to mention that a portion of the money from the tags goes to the conservation of the animals.



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Jathara In reply to ??? [2013-04-18 17:10:54 +0000 UTC]

I suppose that's a good idea - kind of like how the government has an advantage over regular people, but they make laws to try to help people (whether or not you agree with them) instead of laws like "give the senator all your money so he can buy a yacht" or "go kill each other like in The Hunger Games."

That's true as well, and I don't think on its own that it's justification - I just think it's information people need to know when discussing the issue. It's not that that's a good thing to do, but I think that thought actually contributes to the idea that animals are just machines when they're so complex. I mean, to support that people should do what animals do would also be to support prostitution (penguins), pedophilia (bonobos, maybe others), rape (various), and cannibalism (various, although relatively rare) and all of those things are bad and I can't say I support any of them!

I honestly think people do have an instinct to kill; we also have really a lot of intelligence, though, so we can overcome them - even animals can; my dog doesn't kill things anymore and he doesn't chase cats because we trained him not to.

It's really difficult for me because I sometimes have a hard time with trying to figure out when things are animal and when things are human - we've said so many things are completely human and then they're not. People say tools are completely human, but there are all sorts of animals that use tools. People say understanding language is completely human, but they've got those primates who speak sign language and some birds can learn words well enough to describe things by traits like taste and color and invent words for things they don't know through conjugation. People say some emotions are completely human, but whether it's instinct or not researches have found emotion in all sorts of animals! People say only humans enjoy violence; it's a documented trait in some species. People say only humans decorate their homes, but bowerbirds love to carefully arrange shiny things, beetle shells, and pretty plants so their houses are nice. A particularly large category is animal copulation: animals have been found engaging in masturbation (several species, including birds), the fashioning of tools for sexual use (orangutans), and homosexual sex (any number of species; notable are geese and rams, the former of which will foster children in the wild and the latter of which are known for exclusive homosexuality, unfortunately for those who breed sheep since they won't usually breed and one can't identify them by looking so people get ripped off buying them sometimes).

Now, obviously animals don't build nuclear weapons, but I think they're smarter than we've realized - and for all that makes us more of animals, it seems like that really supports your point, too, so I'll give you this one

I know how you feel - neither have I; I've had so much homework and school stuff.

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skulator In reply to ??? [2012-07-19 17:43:12 +0000 UTC]

No, deer don't just populate do to also just lack of "natural predators". There is more than that. If they find their ways into human communities, chances are the predators might stay away for a bit. And/or just happen to find a better means to eat than..lol.."hunt", which is a lot of work for them. So there are a lot more mechanics to this.

Poachers do not hunt just for fur. That's bull. Shit. They hunt a whole elephant and leave the damn carcass out to rot. They over-kill, do it for sport as well, and really don't care about the animals

Hunting will also use the fur, feed a family, use everything and is still under a regulated. If a species is threatened, hunting can be withheld. If this happens, ecomonicly some people do suffer from not getting kills, via their jobs sometimes are taxidermy. You can't really fit Hunting into a more serious issue than Poaching. In fact, it's obvious which one is the more drastic.

And some of these endangered- or a good portion, was killed from poaching. That's when mankind's interference with animals is at it's worst. So really, stop talking about poaching.

You did say it. You do believe it. You use it to condemn people with, to which, I find both messed up and pretty funny too. You're like the WBC, only passively, now that you're trying to get out of it. LOL.

Oh, was what I said was cruel? Mean? Eating a wolf? That's sick? In China they do, and if I recall they were eating dogs for years. That was a joke by the way. Point blank, if you really make humans as equal to animals you really accept the fact that we can hunt, since they hunt also So, saying that makes no difference. You actually want to mean to make every animal a sort of pet to humanity, to be a steward to them. To which, we do our best to do.

You know which key smart ass. You only keep it all bunched up so your posts look bigger and more sophisticated.

You really don't put any logic to this at all. Just flinging random philosophic bs that is half-assed backwards. You're a drunk Socrates. When you stop flinging personal bull shit about how you feel about hunting, use good, solid facts. Not biased journals, not copy and pasting. Give me better links. Mention better things. Mention about a singular species wiped out solely on regulated hunting. Legal Hunting. Not Propaganda, not poaching.

And please, don't be irrelevant, and try to put more "humanity is evil!" shit into the conversation. You are evil too then. You need to talk less about how you think hunting is bad, and tell me how it really is.

And really, I'm actually having a fun time with this!
It's fun watching how much you write, and how smart you think you are, making really long paragraphs of nothing but bawwww'n. Really neat. I can't wait to see what you come up with next.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-19 19:43:06 +0000 UTC]

Talking in general, I was. If I were to talk specifically, I would be typing essays here.
You know, you people really do make humanity look selfish, which we are really, we would kill thousands of lives just to save ourselves.
And hey, for the rotting carcases, at least that can decay and leave food for scavengers and add nutrients to the ground. Nothing is returned back to nature when hunting, except for a pool of blood.
You know, that's just a great way to show you care fir something. You know, to kill it. Go into its home and kill it, no regrets, no remorse, only pride and enjoyment.
I don't believe there is Hell, where souls are sent to go for their sins, I don't believe there is Heaven, where souls are sent to rest in peace. Its nice to wish such places exist, but I believe they don't.
What was a joke? The fact that the faithful companions we have here are cooked alive there based on myths saying that the more pain an animal suffers during its death, the more hormones in it and the better it tastes? Baby animals being cooked because their meat is more tender? Now you are bringing up other animal cruelty cases.
Might I once again use this clear and simple fact.
They have to hunt. We want to hunt.
Just because they hunt doesn't mean we have to now does it? And besides, do they kill with guns that give them a higher success rate, hell, the animal is practically good as gone when sighted in the weapons cross hairs, and hey, the ones we miss, you know what happens to them? It is estimated that, for every animal a hunter kills and recovers, at least two wounded but unrecovered animals die slowly and painfully of blood loss, infection, or starvation. Yep, we are defiantly doing the animals a favor aren't we? Oh hey, and if you don't care about the wild life, then how about other people? In 1988, 177 people were killed and 1,719 injured by hunters while walking through the woods or on their own property. And for animals like wolves, who mate for life and have close-knit family units, hunting can is basically like murdering a family member to them, because it is.
"When hunters talk about shooting overpopulated animals, they are usually referring to white-tailed deer, representing only 3 percent of all the animals killed by hunters. Sport hunters shoot millions of mourning doves, squirrels, rabbits, and waterfowl, and thousands of predators, none of whom any wildlife biologist would claim are overpopulated or need to be hunted. Even with deer, hunters do not search for starving animals. They either shoot animals at random, or they seek out the strongest and healthiest animals in order to bring home the biggest trophies or largest antlers. Hunters and wildlife agencies are not concerned about reducing deer herds, but rather with increasing the number of targets for hunters and the number of potential hunting license dollars. Thus, they use deer overpopulation as a smokescreen to justify their sport. The New Jersey Division of Fish, Game and Wildlife states that "the deer resource has been managed primarily for the purpose of sport hunting," (New Jersey Division of Fish, Game and Wildlife, An Assessment of Deer Hunting in New Jersey, 1990)."
Because you are most likely to say TL;DR, let me take out a key area of that.
"Even with deer, hunters do not search for starving animals. They either shoot animals at random, or they seek out the strongest and healthiest animals in order to bring home the biggest trophies or largest antlers."
Hunters most likely kill the strongest/biggest animals, completely destroying the order of things. Natural hunters go for the sick, old or injured, because they are the easiest to get.
Do they kill millions of millions of prey just as a form of pastime? No. They must hunt or they die. Take away hunting from hunters, and guess what? They can still easily live.
I prefer to see pets as parts of the family, not just some things we own. And I believe that the way we treat our critter family members should apply to all animals. We should care for them, and not being killing them to keep them alive. That really makes no sense you know, to save an animal you kill it.
Good solid facts?
Countless numbers of animals extinct from hunting, millions of them dying still for it. Maybe if you found life important, and see that everything around us has the right to live, you wouldn't be defending the people who kill them.
I know I'm evil, we all are, we each have our own problems, but some affect the lives of the innocent. If Hell did exist, which most likely it doesn't , I know I'm going there.
Lets see what hunting really is then, you buy tons of gear, get a permit, wait until its the proper season, and go and kill animals. Just more death isn't it?
Why would we even need to use fur anyways? We have many other alternative sources of clothes, same for food. We don't need to be killing these animals. They don't deserve it. Even invasive animals don't deserve to be hunted. Nothing deserves to be killed. If you think that it's okay to shoot something that never did anything wrong to you, well that's just unmoral.
I find it fun how you think you're getting under my skin, but really, the only thing that bugs me about this is that I have quite a lot of projects to do, and I'll much rather be playing games then this, talking to some one who thinks life is expendable and that the animals we are supposed to protect are expendable too. Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to another troll, just completely ignoring everything I say so I have constantly repeat and repeat.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-19 21:33:22 +0000 UTC]

So you are alright with poaching? Because it leaves something for scavengers, when hunting will use most of the deer/whatever? Boy you are one messed up little girl.

You are still trying to get your way out of claiming you sorta didn't mean what you say. Keep going and going. It be funny people try to take back what they say!

Don't put words in my mouth, hun. I didn't say that either. Good debtors don't do that.

Animals go into each other's homes, kill their families, and eat each other. Take territories. I see no harm if we are just as equal now. You are proving absolutely no point. Some people do have to as well. I'm not going to repeat myself, but start ignoring you continuum tangents, if you lack something better to say.

tl;dr
You need to use the enter key or give me a link to this. And not another biased journal. A good, documented incident. If you don't give me the enter key, reading more of that long paragraph hurts my eyes. So. Gimme a link! And about the first part, what kind of statistical percent is that?

Boy you hit me right on the bat, but most of your posts are tl;dr's. Cause you wannabe smart.

Whoa, whoa whoa.
Do you know how hard it is to even find some of the healthy ones? Quite normally, even some of the biggest elk and deer are the older ones? That's poo-poo! And if it was just about that one long paragraph, then lol!

On a side note you can't expect every hunter to do what is right. Some people WILL go out of their way, and not do regulated hunting. Everyone is like this. And besides, illegally hunting = poaching.

Do me a favor, a big one.
"Countless numbers of animals extinct from hunting, millions of them dying still for it. Maybe if you found life important, and see that everything around us has the right to live, you wouldn't be defending the people who kill them.
I know I'm evil, we all are, we each have our own problems, but some affect the lives of the innocent. If Hell did exist, which most likely it doesn't , I know I'm going there.
Lets see what hunting really is then, you buy tons of gear, get a permit, wait until its the proper season, and go and kill animals. Just more death isn't it? "

Cut that bullshit out of your posts. I don't want to hear it if you want to defend yourself. I can't really see how you see things. I think you are just a little girl who has never been around a hunting community before, and has never known how hard life can be. You can disagree with me, but I really don't want to hear this stuff. I'll just start ignoring it too and take you much less seriously.

You are obviously taking a lot of care in this. I mean, who posts like that ^, and doesn't give a shit? No, that doesn't happen. More excuses! More and more.

"i have projects and video gamez but i keep replying 2 someone cause i lyke to bawwwww a lot and look smrt!"

That's what I'm getting.

Here is a great suggestion. Get up off your ass and do your homework. Quit worrying about me.

You also know you can quit replying to me at any time.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-20 02:43:51 +0000 UTC]

I was trying at a joke/sarcasm. I'm not good at them. I'm not fine with poaching or hunting.
Stop trying to use what animals do because they have to as justification. It doesn't prove anything except for the fact that you're just trying to find more and more excuses for the killing of animals.
I go off on tangents, I'm a women, what do you expect?
(that was a joke too)
The biggest "game" as some call them are also the ones who carry traits that make it easier to live, so kill them, and you just ruined the chance of giving the "game" an advantage in survival. They may be hard to find, but hunters still do, and once they found them, they're dead even if the hunters don't claim them, if the shot missed, you still injured it, killing it slowly.
I've been around hunters, my dad was once one, until I got him to stop. I have about 5 friends who are hunter too, most of them kill small stuff, but still, they've get me to cry showing me pictures of the animals they've killed.
I never said I didn't give a shit, unless that was a joke and I'm not patching it through.
And that was also a joke. Apparently I'm bad at being sarcastic I think, I don't have homework, its summer where I live.
I can't just quit responding, that's rude. I think. Plus it sorta just makes it seem like you gave up too, I guess.
B'awwww? I might have you know I have been responding grammatically correct most of the time and don't type like that. (this was a joke)

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-20 02:54:07 +0000 UTC]

So all that baww'n was a joke? I don't think it was. You're good with that kind of resistance to what you have said before.

You keep telling me about how it's cruel, I keep getting as philosophical as you. Don't say what I've said is a excuse. It's not an excuse, it's a perceived reason.

You still go on tangents.

The older ones have been around for awhile. Usually in hunting they do not hunt those, just the ones whose grown up. Not the younger ones that can breed too.

Lol.
Got your father to stop. Sounds like some stuff on Bambi. Oh. The creator of Bambi was a hunter.

I'm talking about a whole community.

No, you're not being sarcastic. Now your trying to dig up an empty grave again. You should go play some games and stop whining and crying about cruelty to animals.

Yeah, you're really bad at jokes. Seems like you didn't want to give me the link, seems like you didn't have a reliable source.

And that hunters should go to hell joke was pretty bad too.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-20 03:08:27 +0000 UTC]

[link]
But of course, you're going to say its a biased source and completely skip over all the facts provided.
What b'awwing? I was being serious on the "B'awww?" thing.
Bambi must of been based on a true story then, the hunter killed a deers mom and decided to make a childrens movie on it.
And no no no, me complaining about the fact that you complained about my "bawwing"(?) was the joke, my game is still running right next to me.
So you're going to hunt the adults who can still breed and have the most chance of surviving natural hunters?
Sorry, paranoia won't let me go around a community and ask hunters about what they do.
I didn't joke about the part where I said hunters should go to Hell, cause you know, the place doesn't exist, or would the fact that Hell isn't real make it a joke (...) ? They kill/harm the defenseless as a form of recreation. That's kinda sick don'tcha think?
If no one complains about the treatment of animals, then how will anything get done?

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-20 03:31:19 +0000 UTC]

I asked for the link before. I wouldn't do if it really was a good source and not some biased journal of someone qq'ing.

Now this is a much better source. But you really have ought to have just linked it to me instead of trying to keep acting smart, and automatically know how I was going to react.

Let's take a look at this fact before they start speaking about the huge impact of nature.
"Less than seven percent of the U.S. population hunts."
That's not a lot. That's not a lot of people at all. Considering the gross estimate is 311,591,917.

Going in and reading this....This is explaining how the animal feels. Back then, an animal being stabbed through the neck with a spear could be considered cruel, if not more so cruel.

"but to propagate "game" species for hunters to shoot."
Not so much the truth either. If this was the case, why are there many areas...I mean many areas that do not allow shooting, and are protected by the fish and game? Also, did you know it's not ok to shoot deer even if they ravage an orchid? Oh, vegetables. Something you eat.

"Hunters kill more animals than recorded tallies indicate"
Some people do not follow the rules. That's poaching.

" European boars - are unfair game for fee-paying hunters at private fenced-in shooting preserves;"
1. That's enclosed and private.
2. Do you know the boar problems in Texas? There is an infestation.
Ruining crops, things you claim that are so easy to get now, which is why we aren't suppose to eat meat anymore.

Most of that was explaining the animals feelings. Give me a story about a singular species being decimated, recently, by hunting.

The place may exist for some people, and to you, truthfully, you hope it exists for them.

For a girl on her profile claiming she likes violence and being a pyro, you are a horrible candidate to talk about animal rights. Especially talking about the cruelty of the animals being hunted, instead of worrying about a population on hold.

I think we need more economical changes to help the animals, rather than worrying about hunting.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-20 05:28:15 +0000 UTC]

I'm a messed up child apparently, my school mates tell me I'm going to grow up to be a murderer, yet I still show compassion to animals. I don't know, I think that says something.
I've lost compassion for people. I don't feel sad at funerals. Yet I'll cry if you step on a bee.
QQ'ing?
Don't we all eat vegetables?
Yeah, I read about the boar problem, we have a python problem in FL. I'm scared of both of them, yet I couldn't bring myself to kill one. Mostly because boars are kinda unstable things, and pythons, I sorta hate...
Well, that list I gave you were mostly recent extinctions, most in then mid to late 1900's.
We should worry on both to me.
I still think there are other ways to save animals besides killing them.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-20 06:47:54 +0000 UTC]

I think that says you are bullshitting with me. You would like to be mentally insane like some of the characters on you're video games. People do not like pretentious brats. People who are mentally damaged do not have such great lives. In fact, it impairs them socially. I highly doubt you have these problems, as well as a bad childhood. I think you are spoiled.

Most people who turn out to be murderers attack small animals. This proves an early stage that there is a major problem concerning their mental status. It also requires constant abuse.

I think you are just pretending. I think you need to know you are probably very privileged, and have a pretty easy going childhood.

Not everyone can afford fresh vegetables.

So. Things over populated like that, causing at large problems, we still can't hunt them? And if they stay there longer, and over populate more, it would kill off younger animals, hurt crops, rocket the prices of the food you prefer to eat, and slowly destroy an entire eco-system only when a bit of hunting can help regulate it.

You have proved nothing. Also, boars eat meat and pretty much wreck everything in their way. I'm pretty sure you like watching animals rip each other apart then while just a man popping a gun into a boar's head to prevent major catastrophe.

The list is not complacent.

Ecosystem first. When penguins are being killed in Antarctica at an astronomical rate.

Sometimes killing is what we have to do. Even nature does this.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-20 07:42:39 +0000 UTC]

I don't have a bad childhood, nor did I say I had one. When did I say I was mentally insane/damaged? Are you implying that I am or act like it? My friends just think I'm crazy for some reason. And how am I insane for caring about the wildlife more than humans?
Problems shouldn't be solved with killing. Find other methods if you truly care about the environment.
I'm not really a fan of boars, but I still wouldn't support the extermination of them. You're seeing life as a nuisance, when life isn't that, you shouldn't see life as a problem that has only one solution, to be killed.
"I'm pretty sure you like watching animals rip each other apart then while just a man popping a gun into a boar's head to prevent major catastrophe."
Is this a joke or sarcasm or what? Why would I enjoy animals killing each other like that? Why would I let a guy shoot something right next to me? I would stop that, and get a sedative to stop them or something, not kill them, unless the wounds were really bad and letting them live would only bring them to a painful death.
So like what? You want another list of animals that have gone extinct due to us hunting them?
"Ecosystem first. When penguins are being killed in Antarctica at an astronomical rate."
... ? Animals are part of the ecosystem too, and have a very important role in them?
That's also how they justify war. Sometimes killing is what we have to do. No, its not, with everything that we gave achieved, I'm pretty sure killing isn't the best solution.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-20 08:22:33 +0000 UTC]

Don't you understand a goddamn thing I say? I don't think you are insane at all, I think you fucking pretend. Pretend to like violence and gore, think it's bad ass if you can't even see an animal die. You're pretty bad if you can't read clear text.

You know you know you don't listen to anything. Typical, you are so ignorant. Just stop. You still only fucking care about how one animal will feel and not about how many animals.
You don't really care at all. Maybe all of this tree hugging bullshit shit you fling around is just a phase. Boy, I sure fucking hope it is.

Because you think hunting is worse than animals hunting each other, when the predators are much, much more gruesome. Well, maybe not to you. You're into violence so. Yeah, you surely are into violence. Go burn a forest with your alleged "pyro" self.

Fuck yes. That would support your shit! If it was a liable source. Too fucking funny how dumb you are.

Animals are not part of the ecosystem? I'm taking a screenie of this. You really ought to pay attention to school.

"An ecosystem is a biological environment consisting of all the organisms living in a particular area"
-Courtesy of Google.
Learn you shit dumbfuck.

More government propaganda and human stupidity that has nothing to do with hunting?

I made a stamp just for you.
[link]

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-21 07:38:23 +0000 UTC]

"Animals are part of the ecosystem too, and have a very important role in them too?"
I was asking you if you understood this. I was confused by what you said about the penguins cause you made it seem like the penguins and the ecosystem were two different thing man.
I prefer violence in movies and games, not in real life. I'm a pyro in TF2, does that clear things up a bit?
Aww why thank you for that. I prefer having an opinion thank you very much, and my opinion is that humanity is one of the most greediest species out there.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-21 07:45:14 +0000 UTC]

I'm female.

And no. You don't know about animals and the eco-system, or you do now. My statement shouldn't have made you guess my intelligence. You probably guessed your own.

Then you really really need to go fix your profile. Saying you are violent and a pyro? That's totally different when you say you aren't in video games. I was going to say hey, me and you shared some of the same interests if you like violence, quoting from my Deviantart I.D.

Who gives a shit about your fake ass save-teh-animals opinion. Should be how bad hunting apparently is.
Glad you hate humanity. It's not doing anything for anyone, not even the animals.

Don't eat anymore food. Don't use anymore electronics. Just don't.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-21 07:50:08 +0000 UTC]

Erm yes, I saw your profile... You changed it from the last time I checked... I find it funny how much we are alike in interests if it weren't for hunting.
I don't know, clearly you seem to care seeing as you are responding. And my opinion is fake now?
"Should be how bad hunting apparently is.
Glad you hate humanity. It's not doing anything for anyone, not even the animals."
Okay, you lost me again.
I use bro and dude for both gender, its a habit.
Nah, I'll prefer you know, living? One person starving them self and banning the use of electronics isn't going to change a thing.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-21 08:06:22 +0000 UTC]

You like the look of dead things too? Booyah.

I don't care about baww'ing, I care about seeing how mentally deficient you seem to get with each reply, and let me say, it's on a retrograde!

You said "man", not bro. I have an imaginary penis then. But I know it's not easy to tell.

Excuse to not even try and use that brain you where given.

But you shouldn't live, because you are human. That's going against your logic.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-21 08:15:45 +0000 UTC]

I don't mind looking at dead people. Dead mutilated animals? Not so much...
Are you referring the bawing as to me being confused by the things you wrote, because I can't make sense out of them. Maybe rewording would help?
I use sir, man, dude, bro etc... and I'm not the only one who does.
If I wasn't given a brain, how would I even be functional to type? Unless that was a joke, and I didn't quite catch it.
I didn't say humans shouldn't live, I'm saying we shouldn't kill. Imagine how much of a happier place the world would be with out murder and slaughter? Maybe I shouldn't be alive, but that doesn't change the fact that I am, and I can still do something with my life.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-21 08:20:59 +0000 UTC]

I know you wouldn't. Because you hate humans.

Wait. No nevermind. I'm not going to even try and question you.

No.
Bawing is this opinion.
"Animals have feelings. Hunters are so wrong, so very wrong." That's bawing, only it's usually more like this.

"DONT U KNO HOW ANIMALS FEEEL??!?! HOW WOULD U FEEL"
That.

You are confused of yourself. I don't see how any of my clear points have confused you.

You still don't function correctly. You don't read things correctly.

Murder and slaughter are the same things.
Murder = hunting?
Humans hunting =/ surviving but = murder
Animals hunting = survining

Note.
Did you know some people live 100 miles away, and rely on regulated hunting for their main source of food? Because people can drive 100 miles to go to the grocery store. Just one last fact, before you turn blind to it.

You are never going to do anything worthwhile with your life at this rate.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-21 08:55:03 +0000 UTC]

Saying I hate humans would be implying that I hate my family, my friends and people I haven't met. Saying I hate humanity implies that I despise the actions humans have done and that I don't think of our over all species to be great.
Why do you constantly imply that I use cap locks and improper grammar so often? Unless that is supposed to add humor to the conversation...
Its more like the way you use them confuses me, I don't know what you are responding to, nor do I understand what point you are trying to make. I do occasionally over-complicate things. Force of habit, I always look for every last bit of meaning or way.
Murder apparently only applies to humans killing humans, I think it should also apply to humans killing other animals seeing as in both you are killing a life, but others do not wish to see it that way.
Huntingeath
Humans Huntingointless Death
Animals Hunting=Their only way of survival

I suppose when it comes to areas where it is not fully developed, as many places are, and food is hard to come by, it would sorta make it alright to hunt for your survival only,, as we all have the right to live, but when it comes to areas where you can easily buy food, why not just do that? But the hunters I'm referring to are more based on that latter part, the ones who hunt for recreation, sport, as a pastime with benefits. And is it really that hard just not to depend on meat?

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-21 09:06:28 +0000 UTC]

I don't have to quote what you previously put. I really don't. You do hate humanity, now shut up about it.

Cause it be what I do. Mockery of something you basiclly keep doing.

"I do occasionally over-complicate things"
You've done that this entire topic. Contradicting what you say, copying and pasting entire paragraphs from a online artical to make yourself sound smart.

Murder is what you make of it, but in a debate like this, no one wants to hear about what you make of it. No one cares about a personal opinion. Least not me. It doesn't help on straight facts of debating. No one needs to get way ward on a different topic, to which, you have steered this into a complete fuck up.

By the way, you are horrible as shit at debating.

Use liable sources. Wikipedia is one. It's not as "changed" as people say. National associations. Britannica. Those things....just forget it.

"I suppose when it comes to areas where it is not fully developed, as many places are, and food is hard to come by, it would sorta make it alright to hunt for your survival only,, as we all have the right to live"

Now you are agreeing with me, ass kissing what I'm saying, cause I gave you facts. Imagine that shit.

"But the hunters I'm referring to are more based on that latter part,"

We where talking about all legal hunting, and now you sort of know about hunting these days. You need to shut up now, this is going now where to prove your point.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-21 09:28:47 +0000 UTC]

I hate humanity, not humans, there is a difference, just like believing and wishing, its a small difference, but an important one.
Bringing in facts when you ask me to to make me sound smart? Am I supposed to not know about the topic and sound dumb so you win?
Debates are centered around personal opinions, they are meant to be including to increase the level of understanding.
Oh sure, its my fault that my personal beliefs have been questioned for putting a comment in a comment section.
Is it wrong to agree now, mostly when it would be most illogical to disagree with something unquestionable as it is a fact?
Wait, what? Hunting for survival and hunting for sport are completely different things. The first one, you have an actual reason for that is given to you, the second one you make up reasons that you have to search for. Killing an non-human animal for any reason besides the fact it A. Directly harmed you unprovoked and you must use self defense B. You have no other source of food or C. It is servery injured and letting it live will only give it an extended slow and painful death.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-21 09:33:10 +0000 UTC]

Hating humanity is the same thing as hating humans. You mean you hate our idiocy.

Debates are not centered around just someone's personal opinions. No.
That's wrong.
When a debate gets too personal then nothing you say will help you with that.

I'm not reading the rest of the paragraph. It's bunched up and hard to read. Learn to fucking space your paragraphs right. Please.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-21 09:47:06 +0000 UTC]

Humanity has been filled with quite a lot of idiocy, but idiocy can be picked based on opinion One can find one thing pointless, while the other may not.
Debates are formed by personal opinions, then centered by facts. Debates itself can be an opinion, so saying my opinion on how debates run is just as wrong.
Learn how to read then with out giant spaces that only take up space then. There's no such thing as a right way to space paragraphs. The way you say I should do it is the way my 5th grade teachers told us to stop because its pointless and we should learn how to properly write.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-21 09:54:38 +0000 UTC]

No.

And no.

This isn't writing paper, you have to double space to at least do it in a readable format. This is much different. You'd be doing the same thing to separate a paragraphs. People don't write essays like you do in your posts. They seperate a paragraph with an extra line.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-22 03:27:11 +0000 UTC]

Other people can read and write like this, without double spacings. For some reason, you can't read it.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-22 03:31:03 +0000 UTC]

It's not that I can't, it's that I refuse to. It's hard to read. And it makes you seem like you copy and paste a lot of things.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-22 05:37:33 +0000 UTC]

So far you're the only person who has said that. When ever I copy and paste, I use "s

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-22 05:58:34 +0000 UTC]

Not for everything you did.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-22 06:03:07 +0000 UTC]

If it didn't have "s, and was a fact, then either I remembered it, or I edited it while keeping the fact

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-22 06:20:58 +0000 UTC]

Excuses.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-22 17:07:56 +0000 UTC]

My god, its impossible to see what you're typing anymore

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-22 19:27:33 +0000 UTC]

Dunno why you seem to have such a problem. I reply from the messages panel.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-22 21:56:43 +0000 UTC]

I go and re-read the messages to make sure I'm not misinterpreting anything.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-22 22:36:21 +0000 UTC]

Then you read them poorly.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-07-22 17:07:13 +0000 UTC]

Wxcuses for what? Is it impossible to remeber facts or something?

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-07-22 19:27:58 +0000 UTC]

Ahahaha. Go turn your blind ear someplace else kid.

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skulator In reply to skulator [2012-07-20 08:56:29 +0000 UTC]

Oh. And this.
"I'm a messed up child apparently"
You don't even proof read.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-08-04 04:13:40 +0000 UTC]

shit, I never read this message.
My friends called me a messed up child and crazy, I was sarcastically agreeing with them. Notice the "apparently"

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-08-04 04:25:15 +0000 UTC]

"My friends called me a messed up child and crazy"
Messed up as in an idiot.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-08-04 04:41:28 +0000 UTC]

Actually, my friends see me as a great study helper, I get the best grades in my classes, but I'm just going to take that as a blank insult made so the discussion can further continue on. But yet they also call me crazy and scary. I honestly don't see how I can be both...
I'm going to make a joke and say I bet your friends called you, wait, what friends? (that was the joke) (I don't even see why I bother saying that, do you understand when I use jokes, or is saying "that was a joke" helpful?)

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-08-04 04:46:49 +0000 UTC]

That's a horrible joke.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-08-04 04:54:20 +0000 UTC]

I know, I'm bad at jokes. But still, do I have to put the "(that was a joke)" things down? Or can you tell they are jokes?

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-08-04 04:55:11 +0000 UTC]

I can tell their really, really bad jokes.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-08-04 04:59:20 +0000 UTC]

Oh goody! I still feel the need to put the little warning though, just to be careful.
Your presence has changed after that joke, it worries me yet I don't know why.

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-08-04 05:01:59 +0000 UTC]

Nah, you're just boring now.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-08-04 05:09:53 +0000 UTC]

Oh, alright then, this particular part of this huge discussion is dying isn't it? I'll cut off this part, bye!ヽ(^o^)丿

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-08-04 05:12:44 +0000 UTC]

Wuss.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-08-04 06:33:21 +0000 UTC]

Insults do not affect me. I see this part of discussion as dead, so I'll cut off this one, though the other one are fun to reply to! Bye~!(ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧

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skulator In reply to PedroThePie [2012-08-04 06:35:51 +0000 UTC]

Then quit responding.

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PedroThePie In reply to skulator [2012-08-04 21:10:29 +0000 UTC]

I only quit responding when I say bye, or else I feel rude. I can see this part is dead, so I'll cut it off here, bye~! ◕‿◕

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