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wingsofwrath — Marbanian APC,TD and SPG DETAIL
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A closer look at the three vehicles described hereRelated content
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the MG on the second tank should placed on the last tank~ really cool by the way~
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Umm, nope. That's because the last tank is actually an APC (armoured personnel Carrier), so it uses the machine guns to engage infantry, while, the middle one is a tank hunter and needs the 20mm autocannon to engage light armoured vehicles while reloading the recoilless rifle.
I know the RL Hs 30 Lang had the 20mm autocannon in the APC role as well, but the Marbanian Army doctrine is different from that of the RL 1970s Bundeswehr.
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well that your choice anyway~
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wow, Those tanks look reliable and rugged. Y'know tough and don't need much maintenance.
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Thanks! I cheated a bit, considering they're based on existing designs...
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I see, but they're still cool.
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I love the designs. The track marks on the ground are a nice touch.
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Thanks! Even though the ground marks in this case have been recycled from an earlier drawing due to time constraints...
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Thanks!
You know, this made me think of how I should set up a defence contractor firm with the tag-line "Finest purveyors of wheeled and tracked shooty boxes". I bet it'd be a hit with the military establishment XD
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"Where Owners and Commanders of ARMED VESSELS may be supplied, for either use of Small Arms or Cannon, at the shortest notice.
DR. J. B. QUINCY'S MILITARY SUPPLY STORE AND GARAGE
Finest purveyors of Wheeled and Tracked Shooting Box Automobiles."
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Boo. the link in my other reply doesn't work, so here is a different one: file.vintageadbrowser.com/l-bh…
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To be recycled later into a really obnoxious TV ad - *annoying jingle* *close-up on needlessly terrifying company mascot* *over the top voice-over* "J.B. Quincy's - we know shootyboxes!" *canned laughter and applause* *reprise of annoying jingle*
Also, I think I found the original inspiration for your advert - it's even older than I surmised! memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/P… ::
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If it doesn't involve
images.wikia.com/familyguy/ima…
this guy I will be taking my business elsewhere.
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There! Yes, that is exactly the kind of overly terrifying mascot we were looking for! Young lady, how would you like to work in our design and marketing department?
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Only second hand, since they're based on a postwar German vehicle. But yeah, the Marbanians, for the most part, have a more Soviet approach to design XD
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The WWII Soviet T-34 influence seems to be the colour scheme and slanted rectangular hulls, though that may just be me (but I can also spot you borrowing stuff from the M4 as well).
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The colour scheme is actually the point scheme of the WW2 Romanian vehicles, and the vehicles themselves are closely based on the German late 50s Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30, which might have been inspired by wartime Soviet vehicles, so, at best, it's a second-hand Soviet influence.
And yeah, I'm amazed at how many people noticed that M4 reference.
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I assume that, like the kangaroo, the infantry debus via the room hatches?
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Indeed, and this is exactly how the troops from the real-world inspiration of this vehicle, the Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30, got in and out. In fact you can also see the in-built steps on the front and back glacis plates.
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The front steps are interesting - I'd imagine they're only really used away from the front line, given the way armoured vehicles tend to attract fire (not to mention the risk of being shot in the back by the MG turret).
The only suggestion I'd make would be to move the recoiless rifle forward on the mounting - at the moment it looks like the only way to reload is for someone to climb out of the troop compartment, up onto the back deck, and then operate the breech.
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Indeed, that's exactly how the recoilless rifle is operated and why this is exclusively an ambush tank hunter with "shoot and scoot" main tactic.
It's placed this way in order to keep the vehicle's balance point, and this is exactly the way it was mounted and operated on the real life LGS (Leichtgeschütz -"light artillery piece") M40A1 , a Hs.30 derivative armed with the 106mm M40 recoilless rifle.
As they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", so in this case I preferred to go with what the real life system looked like rather than make up my own. Besides, it does look interesting.
The front steps don't exist on the real vehicle, but they do come in handy away from the front line, as you well say. A good example would be on a landing boat, with the vehicles wedged in together tightly - if you need to pass from one vehicle to another they become invaluable.
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Ah, looking at that model it looks like the rifle mounting can slide forward on rails to the point where it could probably be reloaded more-or-less under cover, so I guess that's probably just the travelling position.
As you say, it's often interesting to look at real-world examples before trying to reinvent the wheel; in fact there are some pretty interesting real-world designs for recoilless rifles. have you seen img167.imageshack.us/img167/29… ? a recoiless rifle with a 3-round magazine and automatic loader - pretty cool stuff IMO
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Indeed - you can unclamp the barrel lock and then slide the whole mount forward on the rails using the small horizontal wheel (the large vertical wheel is the traverse), but no, even in the forward position the firing can only still be achieved with the crew unbuttoned. Like I said, it doesn't really matter, since by the time the enemy realises where the shot came from, they're already back inside and on the move.
Interesting, I have never seen that before. It is indeed pretty cool. Maybe I'll use it for some later design, I did have plans for a hybrid between the Type 60 Self-Propelled Anti-Tank Gun (Japanese) and a Soviet MT-LB (multi-purpose light-armoured towing vehicle).
Also, please note that I did a small adjustment to the image file - I added some loopholes for the troops to shoot through, because it makes sense for them to have them (the HS.30 was fought in real life with the top hatches open)
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The passengers will certainly appreciate the firing ports (although how accurate anyone is firing from them is somewhat moot)
As for the rifle, I should probably have been a little clearer in my language 
Probably the most unusual recoilless rifle I've come across (barring the davy crocket nuclear rifle, but that's only really unusual because of it's warhead) is the XM70 - it was a prototype recoilless artillery piece with 2 3-round revolver mags that fired a burst of 6 rounds in about 4 seconds - more details here www.militaryphotos.net/forums/…
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Yeah, probably really inaccurate, despite the hatch cover periscopes, but if you have to choose between shooting from inside or popping your head out...
I was going to point out that even with the mount fully forward the breach doesn't clear the edge of the hatch, but then I realised that, with the transport barrel lock disengaged, you can rotate the rifle to a position where loading is possible by standing inside the hatch.
Besides, this way you'll have the rifle pointing towards the back of the vehicle, so, if you find a suitable hull down ambush position you have the advantage of loading "more-or-less under cover", as you well say 
Oh, again interesting. I didn't know the XM70, but I do have plans to introduce something similar, mainly based on the Soviet 2B9 Vasilek automatic gun/mortar.
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Automatic gun/mortars really are the swiss army knife of weapons - with the right ammunition you can use them on almost anything (except fast jets, but that's about it)
As for the tank destroyer - the one drawback with recoilless rifles in the ambush role is the way the backblast tends to highlight your position, so relocating immediately after firing is definitely advisable for your long-term survival.
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Indeed. I have a friend who's an artilleryman and let me tell you what he tells me about the capabilities of his weapon system really really scares a poor little ground-pounder like myself. I could be dead before I even realized I was in danger.
Accurate, computer controlled and coordinated fire from the whole battery, calculated so that they land on target exactly at the same time, munitions able to seed your hinterlands with AP mines and at the same time char your lungs with an air burst warhead...
Let's just hope we never get to see a full conflict in whith both sides have up to date weaponry, because it's going to be a slaughter on par with the fields of France in WW1. Right now we're still fighting the modern equivalent of colonial wars - it's us with maxim guns versus them with asegai spears, only the maxim guns come in computer controlled multi-million dollar packages and the spears in 7.62X39. No matter how many of "us" they manage to kill with their weapons, we will always kill a lot more of them with ours. But if we go head to head with a similarly equipped country our advantage will go away and we'll end up in a slugging match... A sobering thought.
Of course, but the advantage of the recoilless rifle is that it's much, much lighter than a normal gun of the same calibre, so you can mount firepower with a destructive ability far in excess of what you would expect from a vehicle this light. Like with everything, it's all about pros and cons.
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That's probably why there's now so much interest in different CRAM systems; that and active protection systems. In the slightly longer term, there's the various signature reduction systems that are being developed - the active thermal cammo is particularly impressive. I guess we've reached the point where the only defence is not to be seen.
As for the recoilless rifles - that's where speed of fire comes in (either by autoloaders or multiple weapons); fire a burst of rounds to maximise your chances of hitting, and them bug out before the retaliation arrives. And don't forget the other advantages of recoilless rifles over ATGMs - no need to hang around guiding the missile whilst you're recieving fire, and the ability to fire other rounds besides HEAT (for example, bunker busting or even light artillery roles)
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Yeah, it's exactly like the battle between the explosive shell and armour during the mid 1850s - explosive shell appears, wooden ships are dead meat, iron cuirass makes it début and Battle of Hampton Roads turns into really boring ricochet match with a little light shoving thrown in for good measure. And so on and so forth. Considering the power of modern explosive means however, protection is hard to achieve, so better to either hide or intercept the enemy shells before they get to you.
And those active thermal camo systems are really cool. I like it how they can make a tank look like an innocent car to the IR eye...
The Inner Space technology isn't so advanced yet, it's just mid-40s with the occasional mid 50s element, so they haven't managed to develop guided missiles. They do use rocket artillery and hand-held AT unguided rockets though. Also, most of the shipboard weapons are in fact "rocket mortars" like the the main weapon of the German "Sturmtiger". They don't shoot terribly far, but pack a bigger wallop than a normal gun would if squeezed into the same turret, and they are capable of "quick fire", because the size of the turret also allows for the fitting of autoloaders and mechanically fed "ready magazines"
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Ah, interesting. I guess the tradeoff is rate-of-fire for accuracy in ship artillery then? Would certainly make naval engagements more dramatic...
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Indeed. Also, since air power has existed nearly from the onset and, since they always knew it was going to be a big deal even before they actually managed to create proper aircraft, they never wasted time building battleships.
Some do exists, but they're mostly equivalent to our world's battlecruisers, sacrificing armour for speed and their primary purpose is coastal bombardment rather than line-of battle engagements.
A such, the naval doctrine closely follows that of the early cold war, with priority given to carrier task forces and submarines. Also, there's a rather fuzzy line between cruisers and destoyers, as the Inner Space equivalents could be seen as members of a single, multirole class that can do anything from task force protection, convoy escorting, commerce raiding, diplomatic missions to sub chasing.
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I can see an obvious WWII Soviet influence on these AFVs.
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Actually, they were pretty closely patterned on the Schützenpanzer Lang HS.30, a German vehicle from 1958. The only soviet influence in them is the design of the road wheel patterns.
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