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My entry for s contest to create a racehorse. Innhe cute?
A few answers:
YES, purebred Thoroughbreds can have body spots, this pattern is Sabino(often seen on Clydesdales)[and Frame, if TBs really do carry it].
They can be double registered with the American Paint Horse Association.
They are more common than you think.
*Edit-I added a few things I'd forgotten.
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I have a thing for pintos and also worked for years galloping race horses.
Love this combo.
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But doesn't LWO only affect the horse if the gene is Ov/Ov...not Ov/ov? I'm just a HS student....all of my knowledge comes from a genetics game I play...hehe
I found this quote:Frame is only lethal when homozygous. That’s why Paint Horse breeders don’t breed Frame to Frame.
ANYWAY: The horse is awesome xD I really love that he is a black with some deep brown (almost looks kinda purply) on him...it's really cute.
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LWO does indeed only affect homozygous horses, it affects them in such a way that they have to be put down at birth. The Frame Overo gene is actually represented by just 'O' 
Thank you! This really is such an old picture ^^ It was for a contest I think...
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All of your art is fantastic!
This one caught my eye though because I have a paint who looks similar. (left blue eye & all)
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Thank you very much! That's awesome! I love blue eyed ponies! Are there any pictures in your gallery? ^_^
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Yeh, one cross country pic. Ive been meaning to take some new pictures of him, but i havent gotten to it.
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hmm...oh...didn't kno that (abt me horse never being a roan) ok..well learn something new everyday i guess! lol..yeah and good point (abt Thoroughbred paints)
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Hehe, unless you're a genetics freak like me, it's not a generally known fact.
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Try joining the IPABRA yahoogroup
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that's really cute...yeah it kinda unusual for Thoroughbreds to be paints....but they are out there! kinda like my Thoroughbred mare...she's an ex-racehorse and she was a roan and now she's gray!
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They;re more common than people think, most just aren't very loud.
Actually, your mare was never roan, she's always been a gray. Despite what the JC says, true roan does not exist in the TB breed.
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That’s really cute. I would have never thought of making a contest like that, let alone entering. I like how you made silks to match as well.
I do feel the need to correct you on something you said. One of my college research reports was on LWS (lethal white syndrome). This syndrome is known in horses that carry the overo gene (general overo gene). Thoroughbreds that are double registered in the APHA are not always pure Thoroughbred just because the JC says so. A pure TB does not carry any white modifying gene other then, sabino, and rabicano. And breeders who breed these traits into their TB stock such as Color World Ranch actually breed in one more health hazzard into the population.
It’s the same thing when the APHA, ApHC, and AQHA use thoroughbred blood and cross them into their stock to get a hunter body. It’s just in this case, these TB breeders are doing so for color. And it was irresponsible for the JC to allow them to register. The horses only sell based on color, and no responsible horsemen would breed such a defect into their line.
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Thank you
But, now I must correct you. The LWS gene is an indicator of Frame Overo. There is no ‘general overo gene’ in horses. LWS is not known to be carried by either Sabino or Splash, only Frame.
Also, any horse registered with the Jockey Club is indeed, a purebred Thoroughbred. The JC is a closed studbook, so yes, if the JC says it is a TB, it’s a TB. What made some TB’s eligible for being double registered as Paint Horses was that they had the required amount of body white and were registered with the JC(being registered with the JC was a requirement).
Color World Ranch breeds purebred TBs with provable TB bloodlines. There had been some debate as to whether or not TBs indeed carried the Frame gene. Color World Ranch had been claiming that they had multiple horses carrying Frame(supposedly having been tested, but they wouldn’t release the name of the lab), and then there is Nite Spot. Now, there were a lot of people who said that they were simply sabino, but the way the pattern looked was highly similar to the pattern seen on Frame/Sabino Paint Horses. Since CWR has sold horses to other people, those people have subsequently gotten their horses tested with positive ruseults for the Frame gene. What this means is that Frame has always been present, but possibly thought to only be Sabino.
CWR is not irresponsible in breeding for Frame, in fact most would argue that they are doing a great thing in trying to bring back a rare color(similar to the increase in crème TBs, i.e. buckskin, palomino, cremello, and perlino TBs). Frame is only lethal when homozygous. That’s why Paint Horse breeders don’t breed Frame to Frame.
In addition, the Paint and QH were both founded with TB blood so continuing their use in the breed seems fine. And prior to the rule changes for cropouts, being registered with the JC was a requirement to be allowed into the APHA.
And they aren’t being bred ‘just for color,’ these horses have gone on to race(and WIN) or show. They are quality horses. Sure, they may not win the Derby(yet…
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I’m sorry I was trying to make my explanation as short as possible with out getting to technical. Since equine genetics is what I major in. When I referred to the general overo gene. I was simply avoiding breaking it down into it’s 7 (I believe) current types. If you refer to Dr. Mickelsons work, who’s team identified the gene, and developed a test for it, Thoroughbreds were one of the breeds used as a constant, specifically because the true thoroughbred does not carry any overo gene.
It has been proven, and shown threw breeding (as well as genetic testing) that the frame gene can be masked and not always expressed. There is a higher occurrence of LWF’s in Frame to Frame breedings, but LWF’s have also been documented in non frame carriers. There are those few frame overo horses that also test negative for the gene.
I’ve worked for the thoroughbred industry for three years now, and while there are very cautious breeders out there. There is no denying the fact that breed has taken a hit due to negligence. The same thing can be applied to almost every breed, specifically here in the Americas. Just like with dogs. If your that familiar with the TB colors, I’m sure you are just as familiar with their health and genetic handicaps.
While CWR may breed horse that do well in races, as well as other breeders that exploit this gene. Their main catch line is to put a little color in their racers. It’s the same thing with paint breeders...who do breed frame to frame even with the 25% risk (which isn’t always the case). Again, there are always those who are the acception to the rule and breed with caution.
3 years ago I called up almost every breeder listed in the APHA journal breeder directory for two months, using that collected date as part of my research. One breeder stands out in my mind, she had the typical frame over stallion that had tested positive, but of course they don’t advertise that in their journal adds. 9 out of 15 foals that hit the ground that year were LWF’s, 4 of them still births, while the other 5 didn’t survive past a week. Not to mention the occurrence of reabsorption and rebreedings that resulted in it because of tehir CFG attatched to the stallion. And the bottom line of their business is that color, brings in money. It’s been a general rule going back centauries. The louder the horse, the higher the value. Kings, circuses, etc. You’ll notice that you’d pay more for a colored horse then others if your only pricing a horse on color alone. To many of these breeders, the ends do justify the means. After all you have to work hard at making it a profitable business.
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Right...
Before I reply, may I ask what school you majored in Genetics at?
Have you ever heard of Lesli Kathman?
And when did you graduate?
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It appears this has taken a negative turn. I’m not trying to rude with you, and maybe it’s my fault for feeling that your coming off rather abrasive. Please understand that there is so much false information out there that people just repeat in books and on the web, that other’s are quick to believe because it’s written..it must be true. I have not graduated college. And am currently composing my research once again, since it was lost in a house fire.
I can tell you that I went to an environmental academy where I competed in a science competition (Zoology) two times in a row, winning districts and moving on to state. The first year on the phenotypic and genetic evidence linking the Florida cracker horse to old world Iberian breeds. And the second on seeing if a better breeding program could be used to prevent the occurrence of LWF’s but at the same time try not to decrease in the production of a color. Both years I kept in close contact with Dr. Phillip Sponenberg from Virginia Tech, Dr. James R. Mickelson from the University of Minnisota, and the list goes on, even from Ucdavis to the university of Queensland.
I’m not going to continue with this, as I thought I was being courteous in correcting what you said before others became misinformed. As for Kathman I know she is big into the model horse hobby and has a hand full of articles put there on the basics of color and an article on white patterning, mainly paint patterns.
If you want to continue this, for the sake of you art piece lets just take it up in pc, but if it’s going to continue to go as it is now, then lets agree to disagree and part like mature adults. Other wise enough said. Neither should have to defend our selves to each other. Good night.
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ooooh so cute and pretty! ^^
I really love it when you draw sabino paints- they are pretty much my favoite coat pattern colors right now...
You also did a really great job on his expression- as always, your horses have a personality! Great job!
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Hehe! Thank you!
They are cool aren't they!
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Thank you! ^_^
Yup, they are mainly just extreme sabinos(no tobiano) with a *possibility* of Frame, but it isn't confirmed. Nor is Splash.
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yes he is cute!!
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Thanks! Lol, yes, that is his name(it's a play on how the words are spelled. Remarque instead of remark, Cheque instead of check)
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ooo nice! reminds me of a horse figurine for some reason XD
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Thanks! I dunno why, lol
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Very impressive.
Good luck with that contest!
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Thank you very much! 
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loverly!!!
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Thank you! ^_^ lol, I've spelled things more oddly
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lol, my boyfriend always says it so i started to! haha! your welomce
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