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Published: 2017-10-09 21:43:44 +0000 UTC; Views: 14893; Favourites: 69; Downloads: 26
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I know, extremely premature, but the 2016 election and Trump's polling numbers are worth discussing, because no one seems to be looking at how he's doing state by state, or just how inside out the map was due to spoiler candidates. So this is less a prediction as I'm writing this right now in October 2017, and more of an excercise in deconstructing the results of the 2016 election by looking at how they could impact the 2020 election. As well as one truly crazy scenario that I wish I was optimistic enough to make up.---Republican Spoiler---
Basically, what if every state that Trump won, but didn't actually win a majority of their popular vote went to the Democratic nominee in 2020? In this scenario the Democrats nominate a Corey Booker/Sherrod Brown ticket after a fairly polite primary. The Democrats are united, but Trump and/or Pence is detested by his own party. The resignation of Tillerson, Mattis, and Mnuchin, as well as the scandalous (but not necessary illegal) revelations about the 2016 election and their defeats in the Midterms has left many Republicans disgusted with their nominee, and many flock to the independent ticket of Ben Sasse and Jeff Flake.
-Results-
Democrat: 353
Republican: 185
---Repeat of 2016---
The Economy recovers just barely by election day, the Russia scandal is behind the President after the Midterms, and the party's defectors are in states Trump can't possibly lose. Democrats splinter after a more or less average primary when Progressive Democrats break ranks along with Libertarian Republicans. A boring, divisive candidate does little to help the Dems in the midwest, and Donald Trump narrowly wins a second term exactly as he did the first.
-Results-
Democrat: 232
Republican: 306
---Democrats/Republicans by a Hair---
The scenario I gamed out in a panic actually a month before the election in 2016: The race is decided in Pennsylvania. Democrats gain ground in the Midwest, but Trump is able to fight off a serious primary challenger. The Russia investigation is so ambiguous that most people are just disappointed, but the economy still hasn't fully recovered from the last recession. Both parties dump truckloads of money into Pennsylvania, and the state becomes the focus of the entire election. Whoever wins here, wins the race for the White House.
-Results-
Democrat: 279/259
Republican: 259/279
---Democratic Spoiler---
Basically, what if every state that Clinton won, but didn't actually win a majority of their popular vote went to the Republican nominee in 2020? 3 years on and the Russia investigation hasn't turned up anything incriminating and the President has led the economy to recovery thanks in part to several democrats who broke ranks to vote for infrastructure and health care programs that were actually fairly popular after the Republicans held both houses in 2018. Democrats start blaming each-other for the string of losses and Bernie Sanders forms a splinter group within the party to challenge the party's nominee. Trump sails to a second term, now with a mandate.
-Results-
Democrat: 187
Republican: 351
---Current Polling Data FiveThirtyEight)---
fivethirtyeight.com/features/t…
I knew Trump was loosing ground, I just had no idea how much. Now Nate Silver lost a lot of points from me after he (and every other polster) so completely botched the results of the 2016 election, but let's assume they've worked the bugs out and state-by-state polling data is accurate. If that's the case, then if the election were today the Republicans would lose by the Biggest margin since Bob Dole in 1996. So for this scenario its the dream: Joe Biden runs and wins the Democratic nomination without a sweat. He faces a Sanders Democrat and a few Neo-Liberals in the primary but brushes them off after the Iowa Caucuses. By Super Tuesday he's essentially running unopposed for the nomination. Despite his 77 years of age, Biden is energetic, focused, and just as charming as ever. President Pence is little more than a sacrificial lamb, desperately trying to re-energize the Republican party with an appeal to the religious right, but the devoutly catholic Biden largely saps this effort. With an endorsement from the more-popular-in-retirement President Obama, Joe Biden wins the Presidency by a healthy margin.
-Results-
Clinton: 433
Trump: 105
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vectormoon [2020-08-21 05:18:00 +0000 UTC]
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vectormoon [2020-08-21 05:17:30 +0000 UTC]
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David-2Determined [2020-02-29 19:24:17 +0000 UTC]
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Claudius42 In reply to David-2Determined [2020-03-27 06:56:17 +0000 UTC]
Just popping in to say, how sure are you of that first statement now? I'm not being all assholery, I'm legitimately curious. The universe really through us a curveball with the plague....
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YNot1989 In reply to David-2Determined [2020-02-29 20:00:41 +0000 UTC]
It will in 2024, but not in 2020. Trump has done far more to screw over rural Americans, and more importantly suburban voters, than the left ever could with their desire for white folks to not be so damn shitty to minorities, women, queerfolk, etc.
I'm betting that unless he keels over or the DNC really is as corrupt as leftists imagine it to be, Bernie is probably going to be the nominee... but I'll be astounded if he serves longer than one term. His ineffectiveness as a legislator is all the evidence you need to see that. I'll bet in 2024 we'll see another paleoconservative run, a guy who REALLY leans into the legacy of Reagan and pulls in the business conservatives. But he'll be even less in a position to seriously impact the country's problems, particularly with regard to declining ROI/collapsing effective demand that most people just know as the wealth gap; and he'll probably only make piecemeal progress on the labor shortage we're facing.
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Cgriffi7 [2017-10-12 00:05:21 +0000 UTC]
After the events of 2016, I'd say anything is possible
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Freedim [2017-10-11 19:17:43 +0000 UTC]
You should know that I just included in the table for the 2020 election page on the wikia the states and electoral votes won by each candidate in the Republican Spoiler scenario, as it's basically the same.
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Claudius42 [2017-10-10 04:36:43 +0000 UTC]
2020...too long. FAR TOO LONG. I'm willing to settle for a Mattis led coup next month. Great speculation though.
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ThePrussianRussian In reply to Claudius42 [2017-10-10 13:02:50 +0000 UTC]
If that happened, you can be fairly certain that Sanders and Bannon will create breakaway states, Kaiserreich-style xD
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wilji1070 [2017-10-10 01:17:14 +0000 UTC]
While I certainly agree that Biden is a charming fellow (the Biden bro memes are gold yo!), I just can't see him sapping much of the religious vote from an evangelical like Pence. Certainly, the Pence Republicans would likely stay home, but I can't see the Moral Majority (for the most part Protestant) switching gears and backing a Catholic who supports a woman's right to choose (I think Biden did, correct me if I'm wrong?) Though, I would argue that the Democrats need a more... hawkish person who can run with the same tenacity of the Cheeto Fuhrer himself. I strongly doubt establishment Democrats would support her, but bringing Tulsi Gabbard onto a ticket would be enough to mollify the Berniecrats and even scoop up a few Trump Republicans.
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Freedim [2017-10-09 22:01:52 +0000 UTC]
I can promise you that the most likely ones are the Republican spoiler and by-the-hair (both) ones.
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YNot1989 In reply to Freedim [2017-10-09 22:11:51 +0000 UTC]
Normally I'd agree with you, but look at the 538 link. Trump is only up by 1 point in South Carolina. He's down by 9 in Texas. Something weird is going on here.
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ElSqiubbonator In reply to YNot1989 [2017-10-10 02:21:47 +0000 UTC]
So which of these do you think is most likely?
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YNot1989 In reply to ElSqiubbonator [2017-10-10 04:09:26 +0000 UTC]
I have no earthly idea. The 538 one is completely at odds with all existing theory about how the election will go, which my gut says its the scenario most worth paying attention to. Right now the Democrats by a hair or Republican primary challenge seem the most likely.
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ElSqiubbonator In reply to YNot1989 [2017-10-10 14:29:31 +0000 UTC]
And by "Republican primary challenge" I assume you mean Republican spoiler?
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Draconic-Imagineer [2017-10-09 21:50:01 +0000 UTC]
Interesting scenarios, but let's just see what happens, when it happens.
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