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Published: 2012-02-18 21:23:24 +0000 UTC; Views: 9277; Favourites: 365; Downloads: 9
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Why should a woman be forced to carry the child of somebody who raped and disgraced her? It's her body, she should be allowed to do whatever she wants with it.Related content
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i say have the kid, itll still be held on a womans conscience, especially if she aborts it
and if she births the child, she can put it up for adoption
but while i dont support abortion one bit
its anyones choice to support abortion, and to abort
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It shouldn't be assumed all women abort with guilt hanging over their head. Some are sad or feel guilt their decision, some feel satisfied with their decision. Either way, it's not up to people to protect other people from feelings they MIGHT feel.
Adoption isn't just, "Oh, bye baby! I can continue normally with life now."
- Who is going to pay her prenatal care costs?
- Who is going to pay her $10,000 or more birth bill?
- What if she has physical or mental illness that would be worsened by pregnancy?
- What if she takes medicine that would kill the fetus or cause birth defects?
Giving away a baby is also upsetting or even traumatic. So this woman not only has to deal with the emotions that come with rape and pregnancy, but also with giving away her child and being a birth mother.
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THIS.
THIS SO FUCKING HARD.
I agree with you. Adoption is even harder than abortion, because by the time adoption rolls around, the fetus has grown into a human, and this cause quite an ambivalence in the mother: the baby is the product of not only rape, but she has either the option of giving it away to complete strangers, or raising the child of her rapist. So, by all means, this is one of the main reasons I'm pro-choice. Yes, the fetus/baby didn't wrong the woman. But she still didn't choose for it to be there. And it's her body; she was already violated once. She shouldn't be forced to bring about the product of a rape. It'll just traumatize her even further.
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Well, I'd like if you'd come up with an actual response, but your choice.
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i just simply dont have anything worth replying with
you spoke your peace
i spoke mine
the end
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the adoption system isn't so great. not every child gets to be adopted and live a fulfilling normal life. not only that but we already have over 7 billion people on the planet and counting. we really don't need anymore unwanted children
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i know.
and despite what i wrote
i dont fully agree with what i wrote
but you are entitled to your opinion so
yeah
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i think so too...
i mean, it's the man who disgraced you, not the baby
just cuz sumthing wrong happened 2 u doesnt mean it has 2 happen 2 the life that's waiting to live
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I agree with this. I mean why have the child of the man who did so much damage
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I read that as "I support raping aborted babies".
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So I wasn't the only one :'D
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Yeah, but it's not the babies fault and shouldn't be held responsible and killed for it.
Not starting an argument as I partially agree with it.
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Technically, it's a fetus, not a baby.
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But that also comes with another argument: isn't refusing to get pregnant before you have your period killing a baby? It's not it's fault that it wasn't fertilized.
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Technically no as you need it to be fertilized to be any form of a baby.
Same goes for humans eating eggs from the supermarket. They're just eating yolk that isn't fertilized. Aka they're not literally eating baby chicks as it never had a chance to be one.
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But you're still denying life.
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What about birth control then?
With the copper IUD, women still ovulate and have an equal chance of fertilizing eggs as a woman who is not taking hormonal birth control. It works by killing the sperm and also by preventing fertilized eggs from implanting.
With the hormonal IUD and other forms of hormonal birth control, it works by stopping ovulation. Although in some instances, such as pills taken incorrectly, not absorbed correctly, or even just a fluke, ovulation can still happen. As a back up in case this happens, it'll prevent the fertilized egg from implanting.
So is deliberately preventing an embryo from implanting bad? Or is it only bad if it implants and we take it out?
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This is why I say myself life does not begin at conception. XD
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But it's also not the mothers fault and she shouldn't have to carry a thing around for nine months, change her sleeping and eating patterns, be in pain, and be sick, JUST to give it up when she didn't want a baby or want to give a baby to someone else (referring to surrogacy).
If she doesn't want to be pregnant, why should she?
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It's not a thing, it's a human being.
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No. It isn't. A human being has thoughts and feelings and emotions. At the time abortions are legal, a FETUS does not.
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What is it then? Is it a plant? Is it a cow? Is it a porcupine? Is it a piece of plankton? Is it a tree? Is it a penguin? Is it a rose? Tell me, really, I'm interested!
There is no such thing as a thing. The word "thing" is used when you don't know the name of something, etc. For example, "What's that thing in the middle of the road", "what's that thing I need to install onto my computer", "what's that thing we had to complete for homework".
Let's say you were a farmer and had a field of crops. Before they've grown properly, just like the fetus, are you going to call them things? Nope! Because you know they're sunflowers/corn/peas etc. Same with the baby. You know it's a human.
Then let's say a food company rang you up and were interested in buying your crops. But first they want to know what you're actually growing 
A fetus is not a thing, it's still a human.
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No a fetus is NOT human, it's something that CAN BE ONE. That's it. And no, food, is usable, viable, at any point in time (with the exception of a few), a fetus isn't. And "thing" can be used for something that is not human and also has no gender 
And the BIG difference between those crops and that "unborn baby" that's aborted. One's wanted, the other isn't.
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You're such a nut
Could you please kindly describe to me where the fetus comes in under the biological classification of all plants, animals, etc.? Thank you.
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Also, YOU'RE the one who started bring plants into the debate XD
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You're the one who made the ridiculous statement that a fetus is not a human
If it's not human, then what is it? 
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It's something that CAN BE human. Just a like a say, pumpkin seed CAN be a pumpkin, but only to someone who wants to take the time and energy to grow it.
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A pumpkin seed is in a completely different life stage than a fetus. Egg/sperm are the same life stage as a pumpkin seed, which I wouldn't call human.
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Where the fuck were you in biology? A human fetus is something that CAN become a human. Which last time I checked, belonged in the biological classification of ANIMAL.
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Further down the scale thanks, right to the species please
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Humans. Are. Animals.
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Like I said I'm partially with and against it, but there is always a 2nd option. Yeah the giving birth is bad, but there is always adoption after that if you truly have to.
But yeah didn't want to start a whole thing about it.
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Any idea how many kids already need homes that don't have them? Adoption isn't a foolproof thing, there's kids STUCK in adoption agencies.
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It's true that adoption isn't 100% foolproof, but why should an innocent child be punished for its "father"'s crime?
And even if it "isn't a person when it's in the womb", that doesn't change the the fact that abortion is robbing it of a chance to life, breath, and dream. I mean, how would you like to be punished and robbed of your life for something you didn't do?
Doesn't sound very fun, does it? Everyone deserves a chance to life, no matter what other people think.
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That mother doesn't deserve to carry something she never wanted, and likely would of prevented had she been able. That "innocent child" is robbing her of the life she wanted to live.
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...You do realize by saying that you sound like your blaming the baby?
It's not the child's fault, it's the rapists. Because if it weren't for him, there would be no child in the first place! And the child isn't robbing her of anything, because she doesn't have to raise it, that's what adoption is for.
But there is absolutely no reason to kill someone for something that's not their fault.
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Except, you can't kill something that's not even ALIVE. But you can get rid of it.
And AGAIN it also isn't the mothers fault and she shouldn't have to carry and take care of something SHE NEVER WANTED. And don't give me the "adoption" bullshit. There's already MANY MANY children that are given up for adoption that NEVER find permanent homes or get put in really shitty foster care homes.
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Actually, a baby is alive, even in the womb. Did you know that doctors can "film" a baby while it's in the womb (by using ultrasounds and monitor)? That's how we have pictures of babies before they are born, it also monitors their heartbeat. Yes, heartbeat. When a baby in the womb is about 22 days old, it's heart starts to beat. And the ultrasounds also detect R.E.M. sleep (basically meaning that it dreams as it sleeps). And when it's several months old it starts to move around, sucks it's thumb, sometimes even smile.
All of this was discovered, and can be shown to a pregnant woman, by monitors/ultrasounds. Don't believe me? Go look it up.
So let me ask you this: if "it's not alive" in the womb, why does it have a heartbeat, dreams, and even facial expressions?
And you said that already. And like I said before, it's not the babies fault, it's not the mother's fault, its the fault of the person who raped her. He's the one who should be punished, not the mother or baby. In my opinion, the only time abortion should be acceptable is when the baby could cause the mother to die.
And once again, it's true that some orphanages are crappy (though there are quite a few orphanages that ARE good), and it's true that not all children will be adopted. But it's not like the place is a jail, the child will eventually get out when they are old enough, and then they can live however they want.
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Did you know that a heartbeat doesn't count as "alive"? That's why it's not murder when you stop life support. And so what if it dreams? So does a cow and a pig and a goat, yet hardly anyone cares that they are killed and eaten AFTER THEY'RE BORN. And facial expressions? That's instinct. It's acting on nothing more than instinct. The animals humans eat without a second thought have facial expressions, dreams, and things they care about.
And again, the mother IS being punished by being forced to carry the thing SHE DIDN'T WANT AND COULD NOT HAVE PREVENTED. She's forced to change her diet, her sleeping patterns, forced to get sick, and then forced to go through hours, sometimes DAYS, of labor.
Pro-life is making pregnancy a punishment, rather than the "blessing" you people THINK it is.
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And yet when the heart stops beating, it means a person or animal is dead.
A baby is alive, even in the womb. Or, what, is it a zombie or something? Like, it's heart beats and it has dreams, but it's still not alive? I'm sorry, but your statement makes no sense to me.
Oh, so your the type of person who thinks humans and animals are no different, so killing is totally OK? Figures. This is slightly off-topic, but humans are different from animals; we know and understand the difference being morality and immorality, animals don't. Sure, animals have feelings, they can tell when you don't want them to do something, but they don't understand the difference between good and bad. That's why humans are different from animals. I am not saying that makes it ok for us to kill animals, I am just stating why we are different from them.
Um...Ok, when did I say that the mother wasn't being punished? I KNOW she is being punished, the rape part is quite obvious, and so is having a child. I was saying WHO SHOULD BE PUNISHED, which would be the rapist, not the woman, it's not her fault she got raped and impregnated.
So, once again, let me ask you: Why should a baby be punished for something that's not it's fault? I mean, it's not like the baby was like "Oh, look, I think I'll go into that lady's womb just to piss her off!" Whether the baby is alive or not to you, that doesn't change the fact that's it's innocent. Once again note that I'm not saying that it's the mother's fault.
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Yeah, so if it's not her fault, SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE THING TAKING HER TIME ENERGY AND MONEY!
The "baby" isn't being punished, it's not even AWARE of it.
It's only a baby when someone wants it or wants to keep it.
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You...just completely ignored everything I've been saying, haven't you?
Fine, whatever you tell yourself to sleep at night. That there are no innocent children being murdered.
Though, if you ever find your in a situation where you have to choose between abortion and "pro-life" I really, really and honestly hope that you will give it a second thought.
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I replied to what you said, how the fuck could I be ignoring it? And NO there are NOT "innocent children" being "murdered". It's not murder if it's not even ALIVE.
And you know what, I WAS put into that situation where I had to consider what to do if I WAS pregnant. You know what I choose? I choose that if I was, I'd get an abortion. Know why? It was my brother who RAPED me. You honestly think I should of had to carry that parasite if he'd gotten me pregnant, and then, on top of me suffering every day with a constant reminder that I was raped (as if I need reminding), and have it be born only to VERY LIKELY have it suffer for it's whole fucking life? Yeah, you're real fucking pro-life. Pro-misrable-life is what you people are.
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I so, so, SO totally agree with you... and I so totally understand exactly where you are coming from as well. I'm in this EXACT situation right now myself, except for the person who committed the act (was not related to me).
"pro-lifers" are only "pro-life" so far as it gets the baby popped out.
They dont' actually give two shits about the baby OR the mother. They just want to CONTROL it and make sure that we pop those babies out.
You know, so they have a body to stick into a uniform in 18 years and have them get shot at. War is profit after all, and you can't have war without bodies to shoot at.
Bleh. I hate pro-lifers. They are anything BUT "pro-life."
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