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Why should a woman be forced to carry the child of somebody who raped and disgraced her? It's her body, she should be allowed to do whatever she wants with it.Related content
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I should have clarified that I meant on the Internet. Playing with actual children and acting silly around them is alright. Moreover, I mean more immature people on the Internet.
I don't think there's anything wrong with bluntly telling someone who is an asshole that they are in fact an asshole. Calling people some names, however, I feel aren't acceptable, such as a slut just for having sex or something. Some people are actually sluts, but someone who gets an abortion shouldn't be labeled as such. Especially if they are only having sex with one person.
There are quite a few intelligent people on dA who are willing to have decent conversations with others, and you could try to respect them for willing to be polite to you. You don't have to prevent yourself from respecting a person with a different belief or opinion. I for one, don't try to judge people on their beliefs. I have my own reasons for being pro-choice, some involving my medical and emotional problems. I also have viewpoints on the human race as a whole that some people probably won't agree with (such as I don't wish for world peace or huge medical advancement only because we're sitting at 7 billion humans on Earth. Too many people, so little room on our planet). I only have such views because overpopulation is never a good thing. We don't need more children to be born, only for children who are already born to be ignored.
Even though I disagree with pro-life on some points, I am still willing to respect them if they can respect me. You probably think my views suck or that I'm a monster for my views, but that is your opinion and I respect it as such.
And to answer your other comment, I don't get off on feeling superior. It might sound that way, but I really don't. I only think it's good to be the mature one so I can keep emotions under control in a situation where I might lose myself and end up sounding like a troll or something when I'm not. I have become more open to other people's views and ideas by reserving myself and listening to their sides of the story. When I was younger, I was raised by a family that was close-minded and had anti-change views shoved down my throat most of my life. But I was raised to be mature and to listen to others before I spoke my own side.
So when I finally got Internet access, views that were unheard of to me were thrust into my face everywhere I went (things such as other religions, LGBT community, unhappy world news I was never exposed to), and though I was shocked and at first, horrified, at these new ideas, I listened to those ideas to see what they were about and accepted them. Some I flat out cannot come to accept, and have gotten into some arguments over them before, but I try to always go about it in a mature way so as to not make my side look bad and give bad impressions.
It's not a perfect system, as on some topics, such as abortion, tracing, and stuff like that are always hot and debated, but I still try my hardest to keep my cool on those topics.
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Maturity is overrated.
I don't call people sluts for having sex. I actually have pretty lax personal feelings about promiscuity. Hell, I'm even in favor of one night stands with strangers. Just be responsible about it. If you could potentially get a disease or get pregnant, you are being sexually irresponsible, and to me that is what makes a slut. People who get abortions for accidents (ie: non-rape, non life-saving) fit the bill as irresponsible, or they wouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place. If you really look into contraception you'll see that there really, honestly is absolutely no reason to get pregnant accidentally outside of sheer negligence. There are simply too many highly effective methods that when used concurrently would bring the level of pregnancy risk so far down as to be ludicrous. Hell, it could be as simple as keeping track of her fertility cycle, using the pill, him using a condom and the pull-out method all at once. Those are the easiest and cheapest methods, not expensive or hard, but considering that each method has more than 90% (yes, even the pull-out) effectiveness, I'd be willing to put money that a baby would not come from it.
I tried that and surprisingly enough, it works about as well as being a dick all the time. People don't like to have their opinions challenged, and it doesn't seem to matter whether you do it politely or not. Some, yes of course, but over all the difference is negligible. No, overpopulation is not a good thing- but we should take care of that by quitting trying to make everyone live forever, not preventing new people from existing once they've been started. I am against preventing pregnancy to begin with, and I see abortion as little more than a crutch for people to never change their irresponsible behavior. If the option were back alley or nothing, they might try a little harder not to get pregnant. With abortion in place, can just throw caution to the wind, and that's what they're doing. People are walking around with the stupid notion that a condom is enough, and abortion is making the problem worse by being a safety net against irresponsibility.
I think that condoning killing makes someone a bad person, I have found nothing to change my mind on this so far.
I tried being nice, it just got pointless after a while. People generally aren't nice, why should I waste niceness on them when they're just going to flip it and treat me like shit and ruin my good mood? Every time I log on here, I've got people telling me that I'm this or that for being a Brony, or for liking what I like (and frankly I don't care what they think, but hearing the asinine same thing repeated that often gets annoying eventually) but then I get to hear that I'M a bad person because I respect life- while they defend killing. I'm a sexist because I don't worship women etc. How am I supposed to stay calm all the time with such absolute mind-numbing nonsense going on? Especially when it's directed at me?
Maturity really is overrated. I'm almost thirty, I'd rather be immature than mature right now. I'll have enough time to be a mature in a couple years. besides, you get more peoples attention being outlandish than calm. If I can make just one person think twice, I might save a life- and that much better than calmly explaining something to someone and then eventually having to just agreeing to disagree. Nobody has to like me, I could care less- but they'll notice what I say, which again, is better than being politely overlooked.
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You do realize that you're getting an ED article because of all this, right?
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Im really not interesting enough to warrant it, but if it happens, oh well.
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Why? It's the woman's choice.
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Because if she was going to choose, she should have done so BEFORE the fact. She failed to, and is now making someone pay for her mistake by forfeiting it's life. Fuck her.
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But she got raped right? How is that a choice? And read my toher comment, because your mentality is fucked up. Lemme tell you this: Become a woman in your 'next' life, get raped, have a miserable experience and maybe even a miserable life and let's see how happy you'll be + the happiness of the child.
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Idiot, I am not against abortion in the case of rape or risk to life.
Oh shut up, being a woman isn't fucking magical.
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oh look another retarded misogynistic brony
what a fucking surprise
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I don't hate women, fuck wit. I hate sluts- which can be male or female.
Grow a brain and quit being dismissive, it does nothing for your point.
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You definitely sound like it.
That's the fucking point. We get raped, bullied when we aren't pretty enough or tomboyish, we menstruate every fucking month and need to get a baby's head and body out of a tiny hole we call the vagina.
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I don't care what you think I sound like, you have proven incapable of properly interpreting the written word on a number of occasions.
I shouldn't have left it to you to realize what I meant. Let me clarify- being a woman isn't more magical than being a man. That doesn't mean it's any less, either. Men get raped too, men get bullied when they aren't "man" enough, or are feminine. Sterilization takes care of the rest, feel free to use it.
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Yes men get raped too.
But how many men get pregnant from rape?
Doctors usually won't sterilize a woman who hasn't had 3 kids and isn't over 40.
You're just being willfully ignorant at this point.
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As I said elsewhere, men CAN'T get pregnant from rape, so it's really stupid to even mention it. It's not like they choose not to get pregnant from rape, any more than women choose not to get pregnant from it. Moot fucking point, dumb ass.
Which is bullshit, and needs to change. Not everyone wants kids, so they should be able to get sterilized at 18- better to regret it and adopt, than end up self-sterilizing from getting too many abortions.
I am not, just because I disagree with your opinion does not mean I came to my own through ignorance.
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You're making everything so hard for yourself... Let's see: you're a woman, you're having a child soon but you're gonna die because you're incapable of bringing the child to life? What would you even do?
A lot LESS! Men are mostly the rapers, let me make that clear.
Yup, indeed, but they don't have a baby in their uterus.
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I do not conceive children I don't want. Why is this such a difficult concept? I thought women were supposed to be more intelligent than men, not dumber than dirt?
Not less. You can not back that assertion up with evidence. There are no concrete numbers for rape, women report it more than men, and even among women it goes under-reported- so stuff that bullshit up your ass. Only because they physically CAN'T, so that's kind of a stupid point to make.
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And how is it alive?
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..........................................................how is it not? An abortion -kills- it.. If it wasn't alive, please, let me know what other options there are?
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A fetus isn't alive since it requires nutrients from the mother.
If it gets a beating heart then it might be debatable.
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*facepalm* A fetus has a heartbeat five weeks after being conceived.
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Can I ask you something? What's pro choice? Is it good?
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Pro-choice is a "side" in the abortion debate, the "opposite" (it isn't an exact opposite) of pro-life. People who side on Pro-Choice believe that the rights of the woman trump certain/all rightsx of the fetus. People on the side of pro-life believe that the fetus has a right to life that trumps certain/all rights of the woman. I don't personally believe that picking the "extreme" on either side is good... And, in the most common cases (medically unnecessary abortions), I don't think it is a good thing at all.
There are varying degrees on both sides of the debate, some people are completely pro-choice, and believe that a woman's wishes trump any rights of the child, including right to life. They believe a woman should be able to terminate her child at any time, for any reason, whether medically/psychologically necessary (such as risk of mother's death or rape-pregnancy) or if she just doesn't feel like looking 'fat' in a bikini. Some are only pro-choice until the twenty week mark, when the fetus can live outside the womb, and believe that abortions after this point -do- infringe on the right to life in a child.
There are some who are completely pro-life, and believe that the child's right to life trumps any rights of the mother. They believe that a woman has no place revoking her child's right to life, at any time, for any reason, even if the child is a rape-baby, or if the pregnancy has a chance (or even if it WILL) kill the mother. Some are only pro-life after the twenty week (viable outside the womb) mark and believe that abortions before this do -not- infringe upon the right to life in a child.
Then there's people like me. I consider myself pro-life, as in all scenarios, if life CAN be "chosen" I hope for it to be. I am not against (I.e: I'm not thrilled about it, but I believe it should be legal) abortions before viability, and I am also not against abortions in instances of rape and risk-to-life. I am however COMPLETELY against (and disgusted by) "convenience" abortions. Those that have no reason except selfishness and convenience to the woman. Many pregnancies (too many) are the result of laziness, selfishness, or plain irresponsibility on the part of the woman (A man can only use a condom and pull-out methods during sex, as most other methods are not viable yet. All other options before and after sex are at HER discretion, and she should have taken advantage of them) and allowing a woman to take a life to cover a mistake is not only morally reprehensible it should be just as illegal as if she killed the child after birth. I believe for such women, the only "choice" they should make is which adoptive parent/s she wants to take her child. The women who decide to abort for selfish reasons are the ones my first comment above was for.
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thanks so much. Im pro choice! but only for people who cant care, love, or will die if they give childbirth.
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What is so hard for all you murder-happy psychos to understand the difference between IN and PART OF? A Baby is IN the woman's body, not a PART OF it.
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Tapeworms are also in people's bodies too. I guess that means we have no right to get rid of tapeworms.
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Tapeworm =/= fetus. Come on, even you should be smart enough to realize that..
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A support aborting pro-choicers.
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So you want to murder anyone who disagrees with you
doesn't sound very pro life to me
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I was being flippant, not literal, genius.
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I support aborting dumbasses and dickwads.
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Because forcing people to carry unwanted fetuses is totally a good thing, especially if the mother is poor, in bad health, raped, or not mentally capable of caring for a child.
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I should have been more specific, I keep forgetting Deviants like to make flying assumptions..
I meant whore apologists. People who support abortion even when there is no medical/psychological reason.
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Women don't get abortions for no reason, they don't go to abortion clinics and decide "Man i'm bored i think i'll abort my pregnancy just cuz i have nothing better to do today"
you're a fucking moron sorry
actually no not sorry
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"no medical/psychological reason" Learn to read before you call someone ELSE a fucking moron, you fucking moron.
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"whore apologist"
What the fuck is this slut-shaming nonsense
How come I'm not hearing you talk about men who make a point to fuck every girl they see and how they should be punished for it with a baby, and how they're "whores"
Women have just as much right to have sex as much as they want with whoever they want as men do. It's frankly none of your fucking business how often they have sex or with how many people. Why do a woman's rights to her bodily autonomy end when sex is involved?
Sometimes birth control fails, it's not 100% full proof. You can't expect women to be totally chaste unless they want babies, you probably don't expect men to be.
Plus, you don't need to be a "slut" or a "whore" to get an unwanted pregnancy. You only need to have sex once, with one man, to get pregnant. A lot of married women and women in steady relationships get abortions.
You're just, once again, willfully ignorant and blind to reality.
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Whore apologist: someone who makes excuses for people who practice irresponsible sexual behavior. Slut = someone who has sex in a manner that is irresponsible, and therefore, potentially dangerous to the public. These terms apply to both women AND men.
First of all, men do not get pregnant, and therefore do not commit abortion- otherwise I would feel 100% the same about them as well. You haven't seen me say things about men being sluts because you haven't seen all my posts, simple as that. I call ANYONE who is sexually irresponsible a slut- that includes whore men too. I have said this, on this very site even, many, many times. I am also a VERY strong advocate for men to be single fathers and keep their children safe from irresponsible women. I don't call it a punishment, because calling a consequence a punishment is the way a child frames the world, and I'm an adult.
Birth control only fails if someone is lazy enough to only use one method. If pregnancy is important enough to prevent, it should be worth the trouble to use every applicable method. Most forms are around or above 90% effective- what happens when you use five methods, each one 90%+ effective? I certainly can, by the way. If it's important enough to kill, what could be unreasonable about using self-restraint to prevent it? Actually, I absolutely expect men to abstain from sex if they can not make themselves and their lover use effective contraception. AND I practice what I preach, for the record.
Yes you do, actually. You need to willingly have sex without sufficient contraception to get pregnant. Someone who willingly has sex without sufficient protection from pregnancy and disease is precisely what a slut/whore is.
You are willfully ignorant of my opinions, so it's ineffective to try and tear them down with your silly false assumptions. Also, it's pathetic (and unfortunately very common) of you to try and dismiss me as a sexist, but as easy as that would make it for you to dismiss my opinions, sorry- it isn't true. I am only against the behavior of people, not their gender.
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My mother is pro-choice and I'm still here. Unless if you are thinking that I'm an aborted parasite typing this comment from heaven or something.
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Why don't you put them in the ORPHANAGE or just give them to SOMEONE ELSE who would treat your kids like a real human?
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This is like saying "I support killing infants of women who are raped by the father." The only difference is age. An infant still depends on her completely. Killing it for inconvenience and emotional connection is wrong. Adoption is the best option.
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That means the woman still has to carry a shitty child for 9 months. Fuck it.
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OH BAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! I'm supposed to give a crap about 9 months of inconvenience, but not about a whole life being lost? No. Maybe she should have thought about that BEFORE getting pregnant?
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You're a fucking male. You have no idea how 9 months of pregnancy can affect a woman's life. It can do permanent damage to her body.
Unless you're willing to adopt some kids then shut the fuck up about adoption. It's not nearly as easy as you assume it is.
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PFFFTTTT... It's SOOO HORRIBLE, that's why no women have more than one kid, right? I DO know. There's morning sickness for a couple months, then they whine and bitch about feeling fat, they have back pain, they have breast tenderness, swelling with milk, difficulty moving. As far as permanent damage, what? A scar if c-section and a floppy cunt if vaginal..... Damn, that stuff must be so horrible it totally justifies killing (Hell, going by this, I should be justified to kill my boss). But, wait, so then why would she do that to herself? I mean, it seems to me that if it's SOOO bad she's like, not get knocked up in the first place.
Apparently it wasn't enough of a priority to prevent- so why should I feel bad for her after the fact? Irresponsibility does not earn my sympathy.
I am willing to adopt, dumb ass, so there goes whatever point you were going for there. What assumptions are you making about me now? What am I supposedly thinking is easy?
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It's not a life. It's an ugly fetus. That's not the same...
Plus, what if the condom breaks and you can't get a morning after pill? Huh? She didn't plan that! And rape, once again.
You're such a moron.
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It is alive, er-fucking-go it is a life. Anything that is alive is a life.. Look, see how those sound almost like the same thing?? Theres a reason for that. (Life: "The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter" Alive: "living, not dead"). Ugly is subjective, and attractiveness is not a prerequisite for life.
You should already be on the pill, or an IUD, be using spermicide, and hell, maybe even a contraceptive sponge too. If you don't like those options, there are others. There are a myriad of different combinations, enough to make a custom fit plan for someone to whom not getting pregnant is a priority. If pregnancy is worth killing over, preventing it should be worth the fucking effort. Why wouldn't a person be able to get the morning after pill?
YOU'RE the moron. I've said (ad nauseam, at this fucking point..) I am NOT against (as in the OPPOSITE of AGAINST) abortion in cases of rape/risk to life. Clue the fuck in, you redundant moron.
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Alive? And what about the woman then? She's alive as well... You just said that yourself. And yes, ugly is subjective :')
Yeah they should, but it sometimes doesn't work!
And I'm just saying it's possbile. How am I supposed to know? I'm almost fucking 14.
Yes, I read that. I just said, once again. I thought you would get that but you're apparently too stupid for that.
You know, I'm enjoying you calling me a moron or idiot so far. Just because you're the biggest one there is... Subjective heh?
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Yes, she is, and unlike the fetus, she had the choice- to not become pregnant. She chose to forgo adequate contraception, and in doing so consented to be impregnated. She made her choice long before she missed her period, why does she suddenly want to change her mind now? Why should she be allowed to, when doing so terminates a life? Just fucking cuz? No.
That is precisely why people who do not want to be pregnant should use MULTIPLE forms of contraception. There are MANY available, almost all are around 99% effective. Use more than one and becoming pregnant becomes all but impossible. It takes more effort than taking a pill or putting on a condom, but if not having a kid is worth going through an abortion, one would think preventing pregnancy in the first place would be worth the extra effort. You are too young and too uninformed to be talking about this issue in the first place, then!!
It was irrelevant and you just said it for no reason? And I'm the biggest idiot (or is it moron? You said 'one' after listing two things, so, I'm not sure which you meant I was) there is huh? Lol. I don't think so. Especially when you're here providing such a good example of a bigger idiot. LOL, no, that is not what subjective means.
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