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Why should a woman be forced to carry the child of somebody who raped and disgraced her? It's her body, she should be allowed to do whatever she wants with it.Related content
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I beg your pardon? It may be wrong in your eyes, but that does not make it so. As a rape baby myself, when I found out how I was conceived, I hated myself for causing so much pain.
My mother never had a choice. I want to help women have a choice.
Finally, adoption being the best choice? No, it isnt. Most kids in the world are never adopted. Alot of them are abused or neglected. My daughter was in an orphanage for 10 years, passed over every time.
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First of all, I see no reason you should hate yourself... You didn't do anything anymore than she did. And it wasn't her fault. Which is my point. You deserved to live because you had no option in your conception. Just like an infant outside the womb, one inside is a separate person, dependent on life from another. Counseling and/or other help for victims needs to be made available to everyone who needs it, and as I'll elaborate upon below, adoption would be a much more viable option if we could stop arguing about abortion and work together on fixing adoption. For the record, although I am glad you're alive (even though I don't know you), I am not against abortion in instances of rape and when the woman's life is in danger.
I'm very sad to hear that. My aunt adopted a little girl and a boy at different times, I wish all children were that lucky. More have an option to be if only things were different. I'd have adopted her. Unfortunately our government in many states (and also, if I'm not mistaken , on the federal level and "rightly" in many peoples' eyes) block a LOT of very good candidates for adoption because of their gender, sexuality and marital status. There would be more good, loving homes with parents who want to have children because they can't have their own, and they're just shut out.
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I certainly couldnt see myself in a positive light knowing how I was conceived, and that my mother had no choice in having or keeping me. Its sweet of you to think I deserved to live, I just respectfully disagree. After causing her so much pain, I feel the opposite.
I agree, more help does need to be available. Counselors, support groups, shelters, medical options etc.
I honestly do hope that adoption gets fixed. All those children and teenagers need good and loving homes.
Also, thank you.
I never understood why people are rejected for things like marital status and orientation. It really baffles me. They say people should adopt more, but then bar them from it. 
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There is no reason you shouldn't. YOU had nothing to do with your conception or your birth. Why hate yourself over something you couldn't control and had no hand in at all, that makes as much sense as hating yourself for your eye color. YOU caused her no pain, less the pain of childbirth (and even then she could have been/probably was on painkillers). What good does it do your mom to hate yourself? You're not doing her any favors, or yourself. It's pointless.
Because people fight harder to allow women to keep killing babies than they fight for children already living.
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It doesnt matter if I did or not. The fact of the matter is, I caused my mother so much pain, before and after birth. All I was, was a reminder of how I came to be, and why her family kicked her out into the streets the day I was born, and left us to rot. I caused her alot of pain by simply existing.
My mom knows I hate myself, and she honestly didnt care. It was a mutual belief. She liked my daughter though, so thats an upside.
It isnt a baby. That is the last time I will say this.
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Your mom not dealing with her shit caused her pain. She obviously took the lazy route and wallowed in her pain instead of dealing with it. To the point where she has made you feel responsible. What a great woman to pass that on to you. You caused no pain, she did by not being responsible for herself. Her family are shit for doing that to her and she's not a great person for what she's done to you. She's an unworthy person, sorry you have to be her daughter. Your soul deserved a good mother.
Good, then I won't have to repeat that it is again.
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She had no way to "deal with it". Nobody to talk to, abandoned by her family and left to die with her bundle of pain. Dont you dare call my mother lazy and not a good person. Shes been through alot since the day I was conceived.
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Dude, just ignore him, he's obviously dead to reason. Β Also, I'm sorry about what happened to your mom. Β No human being should EVER go through that shit. Β But the audacity of this guy to blame the victim and calling your mother worthless, is sickening to me.
My best advice is to stop wasting your breath arguing with this putz. Β You're not getting anywhere in changing his opinion. Β He's just a sexist dirtbag and a rape apologist.
Anyways, if I am coming off mean or bitchy right now, I apologize.
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There are so many resources she could have taken advantage of it isn't funny. Unless she lived on a deserted island in the middle of the ocean, she could have found help. She chose not to, and decided to punish you for it instead. Which is sick and wrong.
What kind of mother lets her child think that something like that could ever be their fault? A bad one. Whatever she was going through, her job was to protect you (including from herself) and raise you, and the fact that you blame yourself for what happened to her is proof she failed at her job. She might be a great person, but she's a bad mother any way you slice it.
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Why do you insist on attacking victims of abuse? Do you just hate them that much?
Victims of abuse aren't obligated to deal with their pain in the ways you think they should. fuck off with that nonsense.
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I have attacked no victims of abuse.
If they don't, they make others suffer instead, which is selfish and pointless- ergo, they need to deal with it.
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Oh really? Do tell.
-No family support.
-No friends.
-No counseling available.
-No pharmacy that would give out anti depressants.
So please tell me what could have been available to her? :/
You honestly think she chose to live on the streets in the cold? No. She had no help. You know what is sick and wrong? People like you who think they can judge people for suffering. Not every country has the support system for victims like the US.
Wrong, a broken one. My uncle told me that she wanted children when she was younger. But when she was raped and impregnated, it was just too painful and it was compounded by a massive lack of compassion and help. Seeing me everyday just reminded her of it and twisted the metaphorical knife in her heart.
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The fetus isn't her body. It's in her body. It didn't ask to be there any more than she asked for it to be there. She could give it up for adoption, why does it have to die?
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I do not understand why people say that two fused cells that came from a woman and a man should have more rights than the woman and the man that these cells belonged to. If you say that then you should also give rights to bacteria, plants and animals or your argument does not make sense. how can you say you are 'pro life' if you are going to force a living completely developed human being into the most painful thing we know; giving birth. That's not pro life.. that's pro forced birth. At least name it properly! Sorry if you are offended by this but this is my honest opinion on the subject. Off course I think we should not reproduce like rabbits and have abortions every week, but I do not think it should be forbidden.
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When it is nothing more than two fused cells, no. When it has a heartbeat, brain and can dream it has just as much right. Giving birth is not the most painful thing we know. If it were, who would get pregnant twice? Let alone oh, 19+ times as some women have. If you really still think so I suggest you go talk to women war veterans who've since had children, but refuse to reenlist. I am not offended by your opinion.
I think forbidding it for women who don't need it for medical/psychological reasons would make them more likely to use contraception. If the choice is back alley abortion or a condom it would be wiser to use a condom. As things are now, women don't have to give a damn, because they can just make the problem disappear in a nice "safe" abortion clinic.
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that's a whole different thing then isn;t it? people can;t abort after a certain amount of weeks in my country.
and why go through it twice? because women who want children would go through the same because having a child is so rewarding. And there's the fact that nature wants us to reproduce pretty badly. We are designed to reproduce, it is the only goal of a species: to keep the species alive. Therefor a lot of hormones make us want to have children. people actually die from giving birth so don;t tell me it isn't risky or painful.
do you really think that? I think that wouldn;t lower the chances of a condom breaking or contraception failing. something like an antibiotica cure can already cause a lot of trouble when it comes to contraception. and it is easy to accidentally forget a pill. I take daily medication and get nasty side effects if I forget it so I don;t want to forget it, yet it happens sometimes. People can try hard yet fail, that's what human beings are rather good at.
but I agree that abortion should take place as early as possible, before the fetus can develop.
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I wish my country were like yours, then. People are killing live born children here.
There is a thing called adoption. If birth were that painful, women would get sterilized and start adopting after their first kid. I didn't say it was painless or risk free- but there are a LOT more painful things. Like being ripped in half, for instance. And yes, pregnancy can end in death, but it is not even a 50% chance. I do not know the exact number, but it is low, and there are measures that can be taken, even when complications arise.
It would raise the use of contraception in the first place. If a breaking condom is a huge worry, then that person is not using enough methods of birth control. There are many many methods, including methods that don't rely on human memory, such as IUDs. There isn't an excuse, in my opinion. Because when all else fails, you could just not have sex. It isn't a death sentence, and if it IS that a big deal to abstain, then they probably have a problem and should see a therapist.
In my opinion, anything after five weeks is cruel and beyond 20 weeks it is outright murder.
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I actually want to adopt children myself.
I am really frightened by the idea of giving birth and I'd get sterilized if I wasn't too young to make such a decision.
pain is a very psychological thing. I for example don't feel much pain when the dentist touches my nerves in my teeth while my mother thinks it is unbearable.
You do know that hormones make us want to have sex above anything else right? It is not a sin to want to have sex because that's what life is all about when we look at biology. It's all about food and sex. Now off course we are human and have a lot more morals and values to cling to, but we still have those hormones that make us want to reproduce. Like I said, those things are not a 100% protection. I do think we should use it but I don;t think we should forbid abortion to the small percentage of woman with bad luck. When all else fails it is already too late not to have sex right? That's the point. It is mostly an accident and you can;t predict that a condom will break.
In my opinion we should give a lot more knowledge to teenagers when they reach puberty so that they know what it's all about. I don;t mean just the basics but also try to make them realize what it means to have a baby etc. Give facts and knowledge about myths such as showering preventing you to get AIDS. if we make sex a taboo thing to be embarrassed about we can't share knowledge properly.
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More people should*
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Good for you, really. More people shout.
I don't think there's a such thing as too young to be sterilized (besides medical reasons, of course). There is no magic in being pregnant, and if someone changes their mind about being a parent, then all the better, they can now adopt and give a child a home.
Subjective, psychological- regardless, childbirth is not the most painful thing known to mankind, not by a long shot. Even if a few (or a lot of) women are inordinately sensitive, it doesn't speak to the pain threshold of our entire species. Ask your average person what's more painful and I'll bet that 99% of the time, child birth would rank lower than being ripped in half, boiled alive, on fire or run over by a semi truck. From a simple common sense standpoint, pain over a larger area of the body (such pain is known to humans) would be worse than localized pain of childbirth.
I know we have urges. I also know that these urges are easy to resist. It has nothing to do with "sin", I'm not even a Christian... I'm not talking about forbidding people from sex, but for people to use self restraint when contraception is not an option, or there is not a sufficient amount of contraception. A condom breaking should not be the end of the world- if it is, then you were probably banking on just the condom, and that is stupid. There should be more than just a piece of latex between someone and pregnancy. Because condoms DO break, everyone knows this and so it's a piss-poor excuse. Don't just use a condom, simple as that. If this is not possible, then wait on sex until they're more prepared. That is not too much to ask, I don't think.
I definitely think there should be more education, not just about sex and disease, but also birth control options for both men and women. Let them know what's out there, because most people think it's just condoms and The Pill. There are MANY, MANY more options that people can and should be using WITH a condom.
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that is true, off course.
I don;t think those are specifically more painful because you will die quickly, but I do understand that there are a lot of painful things. Personally I think cramps are very painful because they last. Although deep cuts hurt a lot more.. but only for a short amount of time. Burns are also painful, again because of the time it takes. Based on that, giving birth is a really long process so it would probably be quite painful.
I agree with you on that point. My point just is that there might be that 1% of people that have bad luck and both the pill and condom failed. if that would happen (small chance but I'm talking 'if') then I don;t think they should be forced to give birth. further I completely agree that people should be careful when it comes to sex and not just get pregnant every few months. I don;t think forbidding abortion would make this happen though.
indeed! We seem to agree on a lot of things. I just don;t believe that making abortion illegal will solve the problem. I'd rather go for education.
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Pregnancy can be painful, but it also involves pain medication. Not to mention that the vaginal trauma and pain of giving birth can be circumvented by a Cesarean section, which does not involve a high level of pain (and the after-pain is easily manageable by medication. My sister had hardly any pain after her c-section) and is comparably fast.
If it were only the few people for whom taking adequate measures failed, then it probably wouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately most people do the least they possibly can and then act surprised when it fails. After that they go to killing to correct their mistake. I just don't think it's ever acceptable for someone to kill to erase a mistake. I think the fact that abortion rates jumped after Roe V Wade is pretty strong evidence that legal abortions means more abortions.
I don't think it should be illegal across the board, just illegal for "cosmetic" (my term for abortions that have no medical purpose) abortions and those after 20 weeks.
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Yes, its inside her body. She has EVERY right to control who can be in her body. Its an intruder in her eyes when it isnt wanted, as such, she can terminate it and has every right to do so.
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Why? Who gave her that right? When was there a meeting called setting the record that only the women have the right to decide if the fetus is a human or garbage? She isn't the only one who was involved in creating it and she isn't the only one with an interest in whether it lives or not. It's inside her. That's all. It wasn't important enough to her to keep it from getting inside her, but now that it's in there, she has ultimate control over it's life or death, regardless of anyone else's feelings on the matter.
That's as stupid as aquitting a man of murder by arson because he owned the house his victims lived in.
I swear I cannot wait until the artificial womb is a viable option. Then no more will women be lords of death to babies.
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Dude, you have literally NO idea how painful and trying childbirth is. Β You're basically pushing an object the size of a watermelon out of your vagina. Β
Seriously, if you're gonna be a rape apologist, then just keep your opinions to yourself, you're just making an ass out of yourself every comment you make.
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It's not just "inside her," it's feeding off of her body and directly affecting her health. You obviously have no idea what a pregnancy does to the human body.
Whether or not she wants that embryo feeding off her body and affecting it is HER medical choice. She has that right because she has a right to bodily autonomy just as anyone else does.
A person with unwanted people in their house can simply kick them out or call the cops to force them out, but a pregnant woman can't just tell her embryo to go away.
Embryos are insentient beings incapable of thought or free will. You can't have rights if you don't even have any sense of free will. They can't want or desire anything, nor do they care if they live or die. Most abortions occur before the embryo even develops a working nervous system. Without a working nervous system, it's impossible to be sentient. Abortions that occur after this point are usually done out of medical need...or because "pro-lifers" such as yourself keep putting all these legal roadblocks in place causing her to not even be able to get an abortion until a later stage.
Putting its rights above that of a fully sentient human being is ridiculous.
They're not babies. They're embryos. Babies are conscious, active beings that feel desire and discomfort. Embryos are a clump of gradually multiplying cells that may BECOME a baby if given enough time, but they aren't babies yet.
If you really, truly believe that embryos are people then let me ask you a question.
Say there's a building on fire. Say it's a fertility treatment facility. And that in one room, there's several tubes of viable embryos. In another room, there's a 4 year old child.
Which room do you go into, who do you save? If embryos are people, then morally, you would have to go into the room with the embryos, since after all, there's several "people" in that room, the room with the 4 year old kid only has one person. You'd be saving more people if you grabbed the embryos.
If you opt to save the 4 year old child, then perhaps you don't view embryos as human beings as much as you think you do.
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She allowed it to be put there. If she didn't want it why did she do that? Is she a fucking idiot? Is she ignorant of how sex works? Does she not know of contraception? Is she incapable of self-restraint? If the answer to all of these is no, then she has no excuse. SHE knows what pregnancy does to the body, and it didn't concern her enough to prevent, so why should it concern me?
So should we go around terminating people with mental illness or mental deficiencies, because they have no sense of free will either. Sounds pretty stupid, huh? I guess maybe there IS something besides conscious acknowledgement of free will that confers right to life. You should google the development of the fetus, sentience happens sooner than you obviously think. Abortions after this point are murder unless to save the mother's life. Adoption is an option, whether the woman wants it or not- she should have "chosen" to not get pregnant in the first place.
The rights of the innocent trump the rights of a killer.
The term you use changes nothing whatsoever.
An unimplanted tube-embryo is not the same thing as an already _developing fetus_, you idiot. Perhaps you should stop making assumptions about how I view things? Here, let me give you one. If there were an adult woman in one room and a twenty-week baby in an incubator in the other, which would you save? Or a 90 year old and a six year old? If you can choose at all, then perhaps you understand how I think better than you knew.
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Thank you.
I've been waiting for someone to correct that person whenever they used the term "baby".
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Who cares about the term? It's all the same thing.
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Technically, it isn't. Search up the meanings.
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Are you forgetting it's the child of the mom with the baby in her uterus? Yes, it's hers. Don't come up with this kind of bullshit..
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Wtf are you talking about?
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It's the woman her body. The baby is in HER terrain. of course, men should be able to decide together with the woman, but the woman is always more important when it comes to a baby.
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No, the baby is her child, not her terrain. The woman is no more important than any other human.
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It's HER uterus? That nature gave HER? You told me I'm an idiot because I don't 'understand you' but you're just acting dumb right now. It's her terrain and her child.
And it isn't human yet + how can a fetus have more rights than the ones who made it and already have a life that they shouldn't just give up for that?
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She consented to becoming pregnant by not preventing it. She can't just change her mind and kill it any more than a woman who gets tired of her three year old can just decide not to be a parent and kill it. The only difference is where the child is. It is still completely dependent on her for life and well being, and is it's own separate entity. A fetus is not an extension of the woman, it is simply temporarily inside her. How about during sex? Does a man become part of a woman while he's inside her? What about conjoined twins? Should it be legal for one to kill the other? Or feces- do you consider yours to be a part of your body until you hit the john? You can't presume to call a two individual beings one because they share a body- and one does not come under the control of another, for the same reason.
"it isn't human yet"? PFFTTAHAHAHAHA! It's comprised of human dna, that came from two humans, and it's inside a human- what the hell is it, if not human???? A plant?? Lol, come on now. They had every right to choose not to conceive a child- and they didn't. THAT was the choice to make and by the time abortion is an issue, THAT time has long passed.
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A three year old kid is born. It's human, a child. A child has rights, a fetus does not have these rights. Of course those parents can't kill that child cause it's human, it's alive and he/she has rights.
A fetus = NOT a child, nor human.
You can whine about shit, but the fetus is inside the woman, she gets the child (not a child yet) so she gets to decide. Yeah, go nag or something. You can't change it.
Btw, you're just talking nonsense right now. And my arguments aren't as good as they were before, but that's because I don't really know what it was about anymore. So screw you for responding late. Just don't think I'll be responding to the rest of your shit, because you're just hopeless.
It's fetus. Don't start being ridiculous now.
Accidents DO happen. The woman sometimes doesn't choose. And yea, you will come with another one of your shitty crap, but just no. Go nag someone else.
And no: there is a certain point where you can't get an abortion anymore. The fetus became human at that point. You can't kill humans, but you can kill a fetus.
Hey, become a woman in your next life, okay? I hope you won't be aborted.
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Been over this, a fetus is a human. There is no other option since it is made of human dna from humans, you idiot. A fetus SHOULD have these rights, because it is a living human. It only doesn't because of morons like you who sneak their ignorant, young (ie: wisdomless) voices into issues where they do not belong when you should be doing your homework and worshiping Justin Bieber or something instead.
Yes, it is, deal with it.
Inside- not part of. She wasted her time to decide by deciding to let herself get pregnant. She chose, now she needs to stick with it, period. I am making perfect sense, you're just not up to the challenge because I am right and you're an idiot.
Your arguments are total crap because you're a stupid little kid who doesn't know thing one about what she's trying to stick her nose into, and who never did in the first place.
FETUS: "An unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn ___human baby___ more than eight weeks after conception." Is the official definition good enough to shine some educational light on the dark, disused crevices of your brain?
No they do not, you ignoramus.
Nope again, you fool.
Hey, I was born a woman, it fucking sucks. I'm fixing the problem as quickly as I can.
I don't expect a reply, but that's mostly because you've made a total idiot of yourself. If i were you, I wouldn't reply either.
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It's nothing like a human yet. After 22 weeks I'll give you right.
And dude: "It only doesn't because of morons like you who sneak their ignorant, young (ie: wisdomless) voices into issues where they do not belong when you should be doing your homework and worshiping Justin Bieber or something instead."
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You just dug your own grave. You lost your maturity, first of all. And I can't believe you're telling me this. You stick your nose in this shit, I'm just arguing with you right now. You dislike abortions... LEAVE THOSE WOMEN ALONE, you creep. It's their decision. You don't have anything to decide except if you're gonna take a shit in the toilet or your pants.
And you're the worst. Thinking that every girl is so fucking hysterical and dumb like the JB cutters or just the hysterical Justin Bieber fans. I dislike Justin Bieber, but I don't make a point of it. And guess what: I don't really do my homework. That's also none of your business. Meddler.
She didn't decide that, ughh. She didn't choose it...
So are you. You're very immature. Don't argue with me int he first place, then...
I can't help that. Sorry.
That's what you say, but you're a whiny immature idiot that likes to stick his nose into uturi.
Have a nice day.
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Oh shit son, I dun dug my grave, lol.
I never claimed I was mature in the first place, not once. There is a difference between maturity, intelligence and wisdom (this is why they aren't synonyms). I haven't bothered a woman who got an abortion, so telling me to LEAVE <*strike*>BRITNEY<*/strike*> ABORTING WOMEN ALONE! is pointless..
Not every girl, just young people. It isn't a gender issue, so don't even bother with that tripe. I don't care who you like and I don't care if you do your homework, my god, you're an idiot- I wasn't being literal. Meddler? I haven't meddled in anything, lol, I'm just sharing my opinion and you're bleeding from your asshole about it.
I am against abortion, I will share my opinion as much as I want and you can't change that. Get. Over. It.
I don't want you to help anything. Oh well.
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Don't act like you're fucking stupid. Cause based on your reactions, you're not. I think you're stupid, but who am I?
It doesn't matter if you claimed it. And... that would be a bad thing for you if you weren't mature. I mean, how old are you sir? 
do. You are in fact childish by saying that thing from Justin Bieber. I'm sure lots of people will agree..
Then dont' mention it if you don't care! Ad you are a meddlar for god's sake. You dare to meddle with abortion! It's the child of the woman that made the baby (and sometimes by accident) so there's NO way you should get involved, sir.
And I believe you're the one with a bleeding asshole, because you're taking a shit and guess what comes out? A shitty, meddling opinion.
No, you're bothering the world with your opinion. Opinions are okay, as long as they aren't stupid like yours and bothering other people. And seriously bothering other people. I mean, if I would say that I like pedophiles, that would be stupid and wrong too, right? I'm not trying to compare that, but c'mon.
What do I have to get over? I never cared about you at all, I'm just trying to argue with you. That doesn't mean I give a fuck about you, I'm just trying to argue...
Who said that I wanted to helpy you? I just said that I can't help you. I never mentioned that i wanna help you. Fix your own problems, you crybaby.
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I'm not. You're nobody.
I'm not mature unless I have to be. Maturity is overrated. I'm 28, and there is nothing that says I have to be mature just because you age. You're still being told what to do in your daily life, so I can understand how you'd get that impression, but it isn't so.
Lots of WHO agree? Nobody. Just you and me here until someone else decides to weigh in, and it wouldn't matter anyway, because I'm not the first or only person to throw Justin Bieber at kids, and I won't be the last. He's your -people your age- little pop star, accept it or ignore it to cope, but it's not gonna stop just because you want it to.
Hey genius, look up what meddling means. Since I don't walk up to pregnant bitches and forcibly keep them out of the clinic, I'm not "meddling" in shit. I'm sharing my opinion, and that does not count as meddling, idiot.
You need to get over the fact that I have a difference of opinion from you and that your dumb teen ass will change nothing. Arguing changes nothing, you're wasting your time.
You said it, "I can't help that. Sorry." <--Right there, in quotes, since you can't use your brain and hit the "parent" button to check your own comments. Dumb fuck.
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Prove it then. And my name is Linsey. And if I'm a nobody, then who the hell are you? And if you're gonna give your name now you definitely proved that you're immature. I'm the future together with my generation.
You should be mature. It's a part of you're age. You're ought to be mature, deal with it.
You're right and wrong about the Justin Bieber thing. Yes, he's from our generation but do you know how many people of our generation hate this guy? And adults listen to his music as well. I don't know who, but I'm sure there are some people that do.
'pregnant bitches'? You're unbelievable. Do you have any respect? Any manners?
You're also discriminating teenagers. I can clearly see how you think about them.
Yes. READ. I CAN'T. I apologized for the fact that I can't help, BUT seriously, where did I say that I wanna help? NOWHERE.
Since you don't wanna/need to be mature unless you HAVE to be, I'm gonna stop this fucked up conversation and be the mature one. Yes, a 13 year old TEENAGER.
Take that you discriminating fart.
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You mean besides the fact that I have a command of the English language that borders on pompous? Do tell, how should I prove something like that on the internet? You wanna give me a quiz that, if I weren't as smart as I claim, I could just google the answers for? There's no way to PROVE anything to you, and it just shows how stupid you are to even suggest that I do. But, I've been wrong before, so please, if you think of a way, let me know.
I don't care if your name is Carl. I'm a nobody too, duh. That's the nature of the internet, m'dear. Hell no, I'm not stupid enough to give my real name on the internet, lol and if you'd had any sense, you wouldn't have either. I'M not going to do anything, I could give a shit, but someone else could if they were so inclined and it wouldn't be hard.
No, it most certainly is not, lol. Look around. Look on Youtube, or in tabloids and a hundred other places. You have to grow old, but you do NOT have to grow up, grow mature or grow wise. These things are OPTIONAL, and you'll figure that out on your own some day. Sure, there are -situations- that call for maturity, and in those times, I can compose myself in a mature and respectful manner- but there is no impetus to be mature 24/7 just because I'm not a kid anymore. First of all, that would make being an adult more miserable than it already is (and I assure you, being an adult fucking sucks) and second of all, you seem to forget one key thing: as an adult, I and I alone am in control of myself. I have a good reason to abide by the law, of course, but outside of that, who is to tell me I have to do something I don't want to do? NOBODY. Unlike you, I don't have people telling me how to live my life anymore, so I can do what I want- and I do. Not exercising maturity every waking moment is one of those things I choose not to do. And, really, I don't give a flaming flying rats ass what you think of it, lol. You be a boring ass mature adult when you grow up if you want, and power to you for it. I don't want to, I don't have to and so I don't.
Yes, a lot of people of all age groups hate and love Justin Bieber. I don't care about either, really. I'm indifferent to the kid. I wasn't being literal, and you're really beating a dead horse to dust if you're still hung up on this part of our convo, it was probably the most incidental thing I said.
Of course I have respect and manners. Why on Earth would you make the assumption that I have NONE just because I'm not wasting them on you? Yes, pregnant bitches. As in bitches who are pregnant. Let me clarify as your indignation indicates you've gotten confused: In that comment was referring specifically to women who fit both categories pregnant and bitch. That is not to say that all women are bitches. Nor that all women who are pregnant are bitches. Nor indeed that all bitches are pregnant women and or even that all bitches are women. ΒΏEntendido?
So I do. I like to think I have earned that ability, since I've been there and I know exactly how stupid, pathetic, unwordly, self-assured, self-centered etc etc ad nauseum teenagers are. Sure, not all teenagers are shitheads, just 98% of you.
I didn't say you said you -wanted- anything. You used that word. I just said I don't need your help, so don't feel bad about not being able to help. *shrug*
Ooh, damn.. Let me go apply some cold water to this bur- oh, it went away.
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O my, you're taking this very seriously.
You do have to grow up.
And you're making a filthy excuse right now. Shut up, you just said it. there's no excuse. You made a mistake sir.
I would say 70-80%
I'm surprised you responded.
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No, just passing time, as always.
Grow up as in age physically, yes. As in mature, no. As I am an adult, and I am not mature, my very existence disproves your assertion.
Sorry if you don't like it, lol, but thems the breaks.
Well, I don't have unassailable statistics at my disposal right now, it's obvious we agree that the greater majority of you are.
I respond when spoken to, but if you genuinely do not want to talk to me anymore, let me know and I will stop.
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So you stay the same? You keep behaving as a child and when youneed to be mature you decide to be mature for a little while? Ok.
Can't deny that.
Well, let's stop this cause this was about abortion lol.
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I wish a good life to you and all happiness henceforth. *tips his hat*
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