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Why should a woman be forced to carry the child of somebody who raped and disgraced her? It's her body, she should be allowed to do whatever she wants with it.Related content
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How can you hate pewdiepie. He is not even annoying like boxxy/ie or something.
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I don't "hate" him, that's too much effort, lol. I just don't find him entertaining. His voice (not the accent, just his nasally voice) is annoying and from the couple things I've seen he isn't very funny or creative. From what i've noticed 99% of his appeal is just laughing at him being scared of video games.
I don't know who "boxxy/ie" is, but as far as youtubers go I'm a Tobuscus fan. I could go watch his videos..
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Most people love his voice..
Well, you gotta love it.
We should become friends.
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Ehh.. he annoys me too much.
More friends is always cool.
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That's a shame...
I know right.
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Eh, Tobuscus more than fills any void left by Pewdie. Plus, he's totally cuter, lol.
Definitely.
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How so?
+ I still think that sounds strange out of the mouth of a guy.
Yeah. Indeed.
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Well, in my estimation, because Tobuscus has been in a movie, stars in a tv show, has been on an awards show, has been invited and attended many gaming things (like E3) it's got to be more than just my personal opinion that he's more talented than Pewdie, beside the fact that he has much more diverse media on Youtube than Pewdie (who I believe has mostly horror gameplay) with not only gameplay, but also cartoons, a clip show, songs and personal vlogs.
I'm pretty much gay, so it's not that strange. =3
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Sounds cool, but I watched a video on youtube of his (happy wheels) and I didn't like his jokes lol.
But, you were born as a girl, right? Aren't you just transsexual then? .3.
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To each their own. =3 His other media might be more to your taste (he's not quite as random and spastic as in his gameplay videos) Literal Trailers and songs are hilarious, though (I suggest Dramatic Song and the Skyrim Literal Trailer). That's the main reason I like him, he's creative in so many different ways.
Yes and no. Transsexualism isn't directly linked to sexuality. It's just about what your own sex is, who you like isn't effected by it, though. I've always been into guys, but since I'm -gonna be, soon, I hope!- physically a guy who is into guys, "gay" is the term that fits. If I were into women, I'd be considered straight. It makes finding relationships a pain in the buns, but then again, I have a little bonus too- whoever is into me I know is into ME inside, and not just for my body. =3
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Yup, I agree
I love that the answer can't be just 'yes' or 'no'. Cause at this point you're still a girl, but you'll be a 'real' guy soon so yeah, you were born straight but it didn't feel right being a girl, so you wanted to be a guy but you still like guys, so you're straight and gay at the same time >:c
And indeed, it's nice knowing that.
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Because it's complicated, not really in concept, but language isn't structured for handling it.
See phrases like "still a girl" "be a guy soon" don't really work. I'm only physically a girl, I've never been one in my head, even memories from EARLY childhood are of me being confused about being treated differently than my brothers, and not understanding why. I have a birth defect. My brain developed as male and my body did the opposite. I've never really been "straight", because straight is when a girl likes guys and I've never liked guys as a girl. My body doesn't respond to female-specific cues (like, my boobs.. They're just annoying lumps of fat that get in the way. I hate them and I don't like them touched, same as if you had a growth of extra fat and skin just hanging off of your body somewhere, you probably wouldn't want people touching it, and definitely not in a sexual way.). I have a "phantom" penis, too. Which is weird, for multiple reasons. In every way but one, I've never been a girl.
Feminine, sure. But female, no.
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Yeah, true. But your body is oen of a girl, while your mind is one of a guy. one can not deny that. But if it hurts your feelings I won't say stuff like that anymore.
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It doesn't hurt my feelings, it's just inaccurate.
Let me put it this way: If you got breast and cervical cancer and had to remove all of your sexual organs; meaning you have no breasts, no uterus, no ovaries or even vagina; would you cease being female?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say your answer is probably no.
That is because gender is not what's on the outside. And what's on the outside is of the absolute least importance when considering what makes a person male or female. So no, even though I have a female body, I am a man. Not just in terms, but in simple reality.
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Indeed, my answer is no. But that person has always been female on the outside and inside (let's just say we're talking about a person like that), thus she never HAD a penis or something that's male. If you would be accurate you could probably say she became genderless (from the outside), but hey, I would still treat the person as a woman, as the same person.
And that case is very rare, right?
You're probably gonna disagree with me, and I respect and understand that. It's something different than abortion.
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I wouldn't say that, because gender and physical sex are two different things. There have been experiments done on babies who were born "intersexed" (their sex organs were a combination of both) and those who had botched circumcisions and in every case where the child was raised as a gender that didn't match their mind, they knew something was wrong, and knew what they really were, regardless of how they were raised.
People who have problems with their physical sex not matching their gender(for both biological and medical reasons) is actually not very rare.
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Experiments with babies, ugh..
Kinda forgot what this is about so I don't really know what to say
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We, as a society, gave her that right. If its inside HER body, what makes you think you have the right to tell her what she can have inside HER body? Fact is, you dont have that right. Not you, not the her family, not her friends, not politicians and not even the one who helped make it. Its inside her body, its using her nutrients and its there without her permission.
That analogy makes no sense. With that analogy, the woman would destroy her uterus as well as the fetus (house being the uterus, fetus being a victim).
I welcome an artificial womb as well.
Lastly, it isnt a baby. Its a zygote, embryo or fetus. Not a baby.
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I didn't give her permission to kill another life just because she decided to be irresponsible. If it were me making the rules, women who got a cosmetic abortion (an abortion for any reason besides rape or risk of death) would be sterilized. Oh, what if they want a baby later? - Well how can they be trusted with a child when they obviously have little respect for life?
"and not even the one who helped make it. " Yes, women truly are the lords of death. Who cares how the men feel, right? Because she happens to be the stupid container she gets all the rights. Inconvenience for less than one year, while a man has to live with the death of his child forever. A stupid whore can't get rid of her mistake and the whole world falls to it's knees to support her "rights" to her body. It's appalling.
By getting pregnant she gave it permission. By welcoming the sperm into her body, she welcomed the child. PERIOD. if she's intelligent enough to have sex, she should be smart enough to work a condom. If it is so important not to have a baby that murder is an option then why wasn't it important enough back before she got pregnant? You know, important enough to keep her legs shut, or with all the contraception and birth control available to prevent pregnancy with all means available?
It is a baby, but it doesn't matter to me what you call it -whatever helps you sleep at night after supporting manslaughter. It sickens me that you people want to change terms just to live with what you're advocating. If you were in the right, it wouldn't matter what words were used, but since you're not words like "baby" and "murder" bother you. That's called the truth hurting.
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Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
Any more than driving a car is consent to getting horribly mangled in an accident, even when you're aware of the risk.
It's not "truth" just because you say it is. The fact of the matter is that an embryo is called an embryo, because that is what it is scientifically. A baby is an infant that is well beyond the embryo stage. The terms aren't "changed" those are just what the terms ARE. Pro-choicers didn't make up those names, scientists did.
Maybe the fact that embryos aren't babies hurts you and your cause, you want to call it a "baby" just to manipulate people emotionally. The truth hurt for you? See, I can do that too.
Glad to see you view women as mere "containers" for having children. You also seem to think that pregnancy has no affect on a woman's body and even if it does she has no rights to a medical decision unless a man approves of it. Seems pretty sexist bro.
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Consent to not use contraception IS.
Drinking and driving is.
It's the truth because it's the truth, I have nothing to do with that. A vagina is called a vagina in scientific terms, it is also called a cunt, a pussy, a snatch, a hatchet wound, a lotus, and a hundred other colloquial terms. Just because something has a scientific term doesn't mean that non-scientific terms do not apply. DUH, however, it IS Pro-choicers who try and negate the other terms because to use them makes them baby killers, and nobody wants to look bad.
No, not really. I use the term baby because it's easier for murderous freaks to dehumanize and condone killing an embryo than it is to dehumanize a baby. I'm against it no matter whether you call it a baby, an embryo, a fetus or a fucking zygote.
SOME women are containers, because to condone the killing of innocent people makes you subhuman. Period. I know it effects her, and it has nothing to do with male approval. It has to do with accountability. Quit trying to pigeon-hole me into being a sexist, because as easy as that would make it for you, it simply is not true. I am against irresponsible women alone. The rest are perfectly fine.
If she did not want to get pregnant she should not have. It is not hard, no matter how much you want to pretend it is.
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She doesnt need your permission to stop a human from using her body without her permission. Frankly, Im glad people like you dont make the rules, all you would cause is undo suffering to those women. You dont know their stories or why they want an abortion.
That first part sounded a tad sexist.
Im not saying that their opinion isnt allowed, Im saying its HER choice to make, NOT his.
Inconvenience? Since your a man, what would you know of childbirth or pregnancy? Extreme hormone changes, weight gain/stretchmarks, ectopic pregnancies, pushing a large lifeform out of a small orifice, vaginal damage to the point where some need surgery to try and fix it and possible death. That is an inconvenience in your eyes? Get a uterus and we will talk.
No, she didnt. If it was intentional, meaning she wanted to get pregnant, then yes she gave it permission. But if she didnt want to be pregnant, then no consent was given. Mind you, to consent means to give permission. You cant give permission for something to happen, if you dont want it to happen. Thats like saying I consent to being shot to death by going to mexico.
Birth control fails for one, and two yet again, it isnt murder. Also, the majority of women use contraception during intercourse in some form, either the pill, IUD, condom etc. But as I said, they fail due to improper use, faulty products or just by accident.
What bothers me, is ignorant people like you using words out of their proper meanings and context. Using words like baby, child, murder etc. incorrectly tends to irritate me. I have no issue with abortion at all, so even if the terminology supported you, it wouldnt faze me.
You know what I find funny? Your double standards.
You demonize those that make reproductive choices that affect other humans, yet you seek to do the same thing to them despite how it affects other humans.
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If we as a society (as you said) gave her that "right", then we can take it away. I know that if they are irresponsible enough to seek an abortion, they aren't responsible enough to raise a child. Outside of rape or danger to the mother's life what justifiable reason for killing a life could there possibly be? I'd love to know.
What does being a man have to do with knowledge of pregnancy and childbirth? Knowledge is not tied to sex, thank you. I know as much about pregnancy as anyone who has not been pregnant but bothered to learn about the subject- male or female. Hormone changes are not a life-altering affair. Weight gain and stretch marks are a vanity issue and shouldn't factor in when the topic is literally life and death. (For the record, smart ass, I'm a FtM transsexual. I have a uterus, and it's nothing special, and most of the time is a piece of horrendous hell I'd rather be rid of.) As for the last part- First of all, you make it sound as though women are dying left and right from childbirth- this isn't 1760, the chance of a woman dying in childbirth is LOW, with medication the pain is also and vaginal damage A- is not an every time occurrence and B- is usually minimal enough to be remedied with a couple stitches. If natural birth is such a big deal, then the Cesarian section is also an option. You're blowing the negatives way out of proportion (otherwise, why would women have more than one child?). To answer your question, yes. Compared to being violently, painfully ripped from your whole world and murdered (or sometimes just maimed and tossed in the trash can to finish dying) by a person hired by the woman who created you and never having a chance to live, I would definitely consider what the woman goes through to be a mere inconvenience.
If it was unintentional, why did she allow it to happen? You said the majority of women use some form of contraception. Meaning one, rather than all that they could. You can't have sex on accident, and if being childless is worth killing over, surely it's worth keeping your legs closed. I like sex, but it's not so awesome I'd kill someone for it. In law in the US, we have a such thing as contributory negligence. If you contributed to your own problem, you have no legal rights regarding what happened as a result of your negligence. I am of the opinion that getting pregnant outside of rape falls under this heading. Which, as I've said, if being pregnant is bad enough to them that they would end a life to erase their mistake, it should be worth the effort not to get pregnant in the first place. Especially since she is the only one who is allowed to control what happens if she does not (Which is nothing more or less than just rewarding irresponsibility with power.). No, it's not like that, not even close. If you decide to walk in traffic, you're as good as giving consent to be hit by a car. As I said above, that's called contributory negligence.
No, I demonize those who make stupid reproductive choices that effect another human's LIFE. You really think the woman is as negatively effected by her choice as the fetus is?? All you care about is women too stupid to keep their legs closed. Because the fail safe to getting pregnant is to not have sex. But I get it, I can't convince you, you're a self-loathing fool who's got a guilt complex, so you just can't appreciate or maybe even understand the true value of life versus selfishness. So I'll just end this by saying that ignoring everything else, in the end, a life has to be snuffed out because of irresponsibility and horniness. To me, that is almost as much of a shame as seeing such behavior defended.
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"I know as much about pregnancy as anyone who has not been pregnant"
HAHA NO stopped reading right there
you really, really fucking DON'T, you sexist dickweed.
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The information is readily available, and it isn't like women don't LOOOOOVE to complain about it- so there is no shortage of anecdotal information also. How could I NOT know everything about it?
Good for you, I don't care.
I'm not sexist, that is a pathetic, dismissive mindframe to have. "Oh, he doesn't worship women, he MUST be a sexist". Nice black and white thinking.
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Yes, it is possible to take that right away. To be responsible means to handle the consequences of an action. She is facing those consequences in a way that just happens to disagree with you.
Justification is up to her. She could simply be unable to financially handle a child, much less give birth in a proper hospital. Which by the way, is extremely expensive. She could be in an abusive relationship as well.
Its the fact that they will never know how painful it is to actually give birth, especially if you dont want to.
Hormones actually can be a life and death scenario in certain circumstances.
Stretch marks and weight gain can affect her relationships (meaning he could leave her) or it could affect her career (if shes a model she may not get work).
Ah my apologies then.
I never said they were dying left and right, but the chance of dying from it is about 10 times higher than abortion (in the US).
Yes, C-Sections are another choice. However, not alot of women want a nice sized scar on their abdomens.
Violently and painfully? Ignorance astounds me. During the time most legal abortions take place (aside form medically necessary ones) take place before the third trimester, which is before the brain and nervous system develop enough to be able to feel anything, much less pain.
That saddens me. It really does.
She doesnt allow it to happen, its called an accident for a reason. Birth control fails, even when used with another. Granted some people just dont use protection, but even then its an accident.
While true that you cant have sex on accident, it doesnt mean people should have to keep their legs closed. Giving into sex, doesnt mean you want to get pregnant.
Well sorry to say, your opinion is just an opinion. Pregnancy doesnt fall under negligence laws, those pertain to crimes. Use things in their proper context, and not picking things at random and contributing them to your argument.
Ok, so next time you walk outside to take the trash out, dont complain if someone stabs and robs you. Because going outside so means you consent to getting robbed. :/ Seriously. If you give consent, you are giving permission. You dont give consent to things you dont want to happen.
That is what you are doing. You are making choices that negatively affect other peoples lives. Your actions could directly cause their deaths, or indirectly such as through suicide.
She can be, yes. Try talking to some of them.
So women who like sex are stupid? Considering you yourself said you enjoy sex, so does that make you stupid as well?
Have a nice day, and one day I hope you learn to respect women more than you do.
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So you justify all abortions with mitigating circumstances that only apply to a few? That makes PERFECT sense. *eyeroll*
Stretch marks? I'm done, sorry, that's it.. I can't- I just can't. You just used STRETCH MARKS in defense of killing. The fact that STRETCH MARKS even popped into your head as an AFTERTHOUGHT, let alone right in the middle of your argument..... No. I don't need to read any further than that, you are beyond unreasonable. I hope have a nice life....
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Not all abortions, but I dont tell people they should or shouldnt abort, because I often dont know all the circumstances unless I am told.
Stretch marks arent the most desireable physical outcome, and thus have affected the womans life, sometimes negatively.
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Stretch fucking marks. Are more important than a life.... What on Earth is WRONG with you? I mean really, what the actual fuck is wrong with you?
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Im saying its a contributing and relevant factor in whether or not a woman wants an abortion. I never said stretch marks were the sole reason.
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It should not be. It shouldn't even be an offhand errant thought in the subject. Ugh.
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Well, you are welcome to your ideology. I have mine, and they have theirs. We all have our own opinions, values, morals etc.
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You tell us. You're the one who wished death upon people who merely disagreed with you.
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There is no us, for the last who knows how many comments, I was talking to Steinhakasei, not you.
And in any case, I wished nothing on anyone, not literally.
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I don't understand how you're taking this guy seriously, but either way A+ for making him out to be what he truly is. c:
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Im not entirely sure myself. 
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I honestly don't see why the child/fetus/embryo/zygote/"worthless clump of cells"/"parasite" or whatever should be punished for the actions of the father. (By the way, fetuses are not fucking parasites.)
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A fetus is a parasite. It feeds off the host, making it a parasite.
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But you think the rape victim should be punished with a forced pregnancy for the actions of a rapist.
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Its parasitic in nature, in that it takes from a host body (woman) and gives little to nothing in return to her.
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The woman shouldn't be punished either...
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I couldn't agree more. However, I think abortion should be an option for every woman, though. Not just rape victims. The choice should be in HER hands, not in anyone else's. <3
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I agree. I think it would be plain horrible, having to carry a child someone horrible like that gave you...
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