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The match up that launched a thousand flame wars, the Man of Steel versus the Super Saiyan God! Drawn in Sketch Club on an IpadRelated content
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Unless that is Pre-Crisis Superman then Supes is finished
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Quote from Xenomaster:How is it any different when everything is at a freaking standstill?! Literally no time is going by! You idiot.
I said Goku, not Krillin. I respect Krillin. Krillin never sent Marron to fight Cell and then give him a senzu
Can you prove it? No.
You are as dumb as Goku and deserve no time.
My words: Ent, WRONG! Flash and Superman were just perceiving things at such a fast speed that only things going as fast as them could be perceived as moving. Flash has stated that he can perceive stuff at atoseconds. That's still time going by, ergo, slower than an instant. If you speed up your perception to atoseconds, anything not going fast enough would appear to be at a stand still. Again, that's still time going by, not an instant, which is absolutely no time going by.
I only mentioned Krillin as a weaker character who's already dealing with smaller threats.
Yeah, I can. Just look it up on google.
As for my intelligence, the fact that you think ftl speed is as fast as an instant doesn't speak well for your intelligence. Let me put it to you this way FTL speed is still distance/time. An instantaneous transport is distance/0 time. Is that clear enough for you? What am I saying? Of course it isn't.
Also, real mature, blocking me. People will still see that you think that distance/time = distance/instant.
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My advice: don't bother with him. I already debunked absolutely everything he said and yet he still keeps acting like a sheep, mindlessly regurgitating all the garbage Death Battle says
Here see for yourself
Goku vs. Superman
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Dunno if you'll read this, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who had trouble with that guy. I tried debating with him in some of his "Lookie what I found" gallery, but as you can imagine I had zero success. Admittedly, Im not very good at debating this kind of thing since I cant calc for shit and may misintepret facts here and there. But still, I'm really tired of him. He calls people like us DB fanboys when he himself is obsessed with DC and Marvel to the point he self inserts himself (cringey right?). Still, I'm really glad that someone finally managed to make him give up instead of the other way around out of frustration. If you see this, you can try to read some of my arguments and see if they hold water (ignore whatever pandering I do to him I was an idiot for even trying).
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I can't view any arguments you made on his profile since he blocked me. However, I am glad that you liked how I was able to get him to quit out of frustration at not really being able to counter anything I said. Interesting thing to note that I found out since that time. Jiren was able to shake the entire World of Void, which is said to go on for infinity, with just a flex of his Ki and Goku, in his Ultra Instinct form was able to pummel him easily.
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I wouldn't say easily. He did make Goku struggle until he pissed his off by trying to kill everyone on the stands. Saiyans do gain power whenever they're mad. But yeah, I agree that most Supermen are screwed against Goku now, except for Prime 1 million, Cosmic armour and Strange Visitor. Even then, those have counter points that need to be considered, which are: 15000 years prep time for Goku, not actually being Superman and requiring Ultraman's help to activate, and Xeno Goku (DBH, not Xenoverse).
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I've never heard of Xeno Goku.
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Xeno Goku is essentially a future Goku who is insanely powerful. He has access only up to SSJ4, but he can affect the stability of time itself with SSJ4. His best feats include: beating Makyouka Demigra (albeit with help) in Super Saiyan, who was capable of threatening the entire DB Heroes multiverse (like a certain Final Crisis Darkseid), which happens to consist of infinite timelines ala Xenoverse, matching Final Form Mira (who has the power of Towa plus an entire universe within him adding to his already fairly high power) and Time Breaker SSJ4 Broly (keep in mind Time Breaker Bardock went from a power level of 10000 to matching SSJ4 Gogeta in his base form, so imagine how much more powerful Broly was) with SSJ4 although he ultimately lost, and handling Dark Dragon Ball absorbed 100% Full Power Frieza in base form with help from SSJ Goku (the Dark Dragon Balls give a massive boost in power to whoever is merged with it). He also seems to have absorbed God Ki since he experience the BoG movie events, which means his SSJ4 is empowered by God Ki. He's noted as being the 'strongest time patroller', meaning he's stronger than the PCs in both XV1 and XV2. And the real kicker is, main timeline Goku is apparently still more powerful than him in SSB, without KK or UI, since he outmatched SSJ4 Xeno Goku.
I'm not very certain about this last point, but apparently the Dragon Balls, both Earth and Namekian are part of his main arsenal, though again I'm not entirely certain on this.
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Good Lord! Goku is so OP it's baffling!
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Why does goku look kinda evil with a smile like that on his face? A smirk like that would scare the crap out of me.
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Considering what I know of each character, Goku wins. However, that's only if you use one of the most recent versions of Superman. Rebirth or New 52 could be beaten, though not easily.
Animated series Superman would get slaughtered.
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Opposite. The animated may be underpowered, but Superman is always going to be the strongest hero, and can easily beat Goku.
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Dude, I've looked them both up. Neither of the comic versions I mentioned are as strong as Goku. Nor did they get training by multiple beings with over millenia of experience.
Superman isn't unlimited like you want him to be.
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Superman lifted the entire planet for 5 straight days and only broke a sweat after said 5th day because he was deprived of sunlight. The only times I've seen Goku have a defined weight he was able to lift was either 10 tons on each limb or under 1000 tons due to what was said about Magetta. Superman once had a conversation with the Flash that was so fast, everyone and everything was standing perfectly still in time, something we've never seen Goku experience. Superman has held a black hole, repaired the time/space continuum with his own static electricity and has taken down beings that should be impossible to defeat. And before you mention how the New 52 and New Earth Supermen are two different people, they aren't. The New 52 came about during Flashpoint, where The Flash merged 3 different timelines and just rewritten history. It is the same Superman, just with a different history. As for training, it doesn't matter who ya learn from, it's like Stan Smith once said: "there's one thing you need to learn about karate. Guns beat karate every time." Goku can learn anything he wants, it doesn't change the fact that Superman is faster , stronger , more durable (both Kryptonite and ploughing a psychopathic doppelganger THROUGH A RED STAR) , knows how to fight and can ruse his powers in ways Goku can't even think of, let alone perform . And even if Goku learned insert technique here, doesn't mean it would be useful against Superman. The Spirit Bomb for example wouldn't scratch Superman since he's not evil. I don't want Superman to "be unlimited", he already is. Superman doesn't have limits because that is not his character, Goku is the one with limits.
Wanna prove me wrong? Tell me where it says Goku can do HALF of what Superman can. And I mean with actual calculable data, none of this "he dodged a laser" bs
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No, he does have limits. There were plenty of times where Superman needed help lifting certain things, ergo, he's not unlimited. He needed help moving Brainiac's planet sized ship, needed help from Wonder Woman and Kyle Raynor to lift Spectre, and didn't even really lift that supposedly infinite book in Limbo because as soon as it left the pedestal and its stasis feild by him sliding it off, it dropped from his grip and read itself. Also, as far as lifting Spectre, there's two things wrong with Death Battle's idea that because he was lifting Spectre, that he can lift infinite weight. First off, if he can lift infinite weight, then why did he need both Wonder Woman and Kyle Raynor? If he can lift infinity, then he shouldn't need help to lift something infinite. Second, if he can lift infinite weight, then why would heroes like Wonder Woman and Kyle Raynor be of help? They're both noticably weaker than him.
As for various speed stuff. Well, in DBSuper, Goku was able to get quite a few punches on the assassin known as "Hit" a character who is able to jump through various points in time in order to get the drop on his enemy and even without that, had speed comperable to Goku. Being able to even keep up with a guy who can use time itself to dodge outclasses any ftl speeds.
As far as strength, well, in the DBSuper manga, his first fight with Beerus in his first god form is quoted as shaking the whole universe. I.e. each hit from either character caused everyone and everything to feel the shock of each impact from both characters. Don't ask me how multiple shockwaves that were powerful enough to spread to all corners of the universe with just as much power didn't cause all the planets to crumble. Both DC and DB are guilty of having their heroes do things that are against the laws of physics, such as being able to hit a guy who uses time jumping to dodge and attack, making his moves instantaneous, yet Goku was still able to get a few hits on him; despite Hit upping his game by jumping to even more random points in time in various locations and positions.
The equivalent of going faster than an instant is comparable to Flash level of physics defying speed. Which Flash actually did in one issue where he went faster than an instant by beating god-like beings in a race who could make it back to earth in an instant by teleporting. Flash got there faster than an instant. Literally no time passed between the race's start and Flash somehow getting there faster than 0.0 seconds, i.e faster than an instant. Goku was able to get a few good punches and kicks in on Hit, who used time jumps to INSTANTLY dodge any attack and put himself in a position to attack from any angle, also instantly and combine that with the extreme speed he has outside of time jumps. However, Goku was able to counter a lot of those, even some attacks that Hit made pretty much instantaneous with his time jumps. I.e, Goku demonstrated Flash level reflexes, if not speed.
Sorry, but being quick enough with reflexes to counter some of the moves of a guy who uses time to move instantaneously out classes any faster than light speed that Superman has and being able to shake the universe with punches in just his first god form out classes pench pressing a planet for five days.
Plus, there's the fact that Goku can use Kaioken in conjunction with SSB to multiply his power past universe shaking levels.
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Wow, there is so much at fault here I need to break this down.
First off, “Superman is as strong as he needs to be.” [Superman Homepage]. In a JUSTICE LEAGUE book, he shouldn't overshadow anyone. It's the same thing with Batman in how he can be on par with the Man of Tomorrow yet has trouble with Riddler or Joker. It is the same reason Frieza soldiers can keep up with the guy who is as strong as Cell in F and can still somehow be taken down by Roshi.
Speed: Hit's Time Skip means jack all when you are moving so fast, no one could react. Sups and Flash were having a casual chat while a waitress wasn't even moving one millisecond and yet Flash was still able to zip and catch everything she was dropping. Not to mention Hit's ability only lasts so long and we don't even see anything from his perspective, unlike the Man of Steel and the Scarlet Speedster, who kept it up with ease. Hell, Superman actually has a speed feat that you can't even begin to calculate for Goku: Vega to Earth in SECONDS. Deathbattle actually screwed up what was happening when calculating that feat. There was no fight, the New God Lightray crashed into the pavement and Jimmy used his watch. At best a minute passed, meaning Superman managed to react and fly back at over thirteen million times faster than light. Anything with Hit is child's play as they were at best moving under a mile, especially since Wally was running across space (I can't find where he was running from, I think it was from the other end of the universe (and even then he needed everyone on earth running to generate more Speed Force)). You are comparing Michael Phelps to Hobbes the Tiger, "When you're as long as the pool, zero seconds isn't a record".
Strength: You are forgetting that he lifted the Spectre and a Book of infinite pages. The Spectre can be iffy as the closest I have come to an actual weight is "everything that has and will ever exist", but the book is actually infinite. This is because it would have the content of every book from the multiverse, which is quoted to have INFINITE EARTHS. Infinite variations of infinite books from infinite worlds in infinite universes. Superman is infinitely stronger than Goku. And the red form universe thing is a fluke, as Goku has never shown anything CLOSE to that since. Not even in a stronger form, after three years of training, multiplied by ten! If anything it is the side effect of the form in the same way Hulk gives off radiation or that it was all Beerus.
Goku is not that powerful. Get over it.
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Sure, sure, whatever you say, Superman fanboy.
I already told you why the spectre and book thing were bogus and I already told you why someone using time to attack instantaneously beats ftl speeds, but you just go on with the delusion that anything positive about Goku against Superman is a lie and keep telling yourself that Superman is infinite even though the reasons you gave have already been proven bogus.
How about you get over the fact that Superman isn't as infinite as you claim, Superman-blind fanboy.
Besides that, Superman never had to work for any of his power, it's all in his genes. Power was given to him, Goku earned it. So go and enjoy your gary stu hero that isn't infinite and I will enjoy the hero that worked to get where he is in power.
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Says the guy claiming Goku nearly destroyed a universe. I explained how the book thing isn't bogus: Crisis on INFINITE Earths happened. And Goku still has no scale for his feats since I said that instantaneously between two points is not the same as moving between light years in seconds, plus Superman moving so fast IS INSTANT!
So what if Superman didn't "earn" his power, he at uses his power for good. Goku only uses his power to save lives when they come to blow up the planet and nothing less. Even then, he lets the threat grow stronger instead of using his head.
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And I explained how it is. Also, no. Faster than light isn't the same as moving instantaneously between any two points. An instant is exactly 0 seconds, absolutely no time passes. No matter how fast Superman is, he's not as fast as an instant nor faster than an instant. Goku reacting and countering instantaneous maneuvers makes him at least at Flash speed since both performed something faster than an instant. Flash beat teleportation and Goku was able to punch and kick a guy who could perform instantaneous attacks and dodges.
The moment you said that faster than light travel, which takes even a little bit of time, is as fast as instant travel, which takes absolutely no time, your argument for speed became invalid. Good luck next time.
As for that last thing. Really, blow up the planet level bad guys are the only ones that we've seen actually threaten anyone and Krillin recently showed that he is doing pretty well as a policeman. So anything lower than "Blow up the planet level" isn't really worth his time since he has plenty of friends that can take care of smaller stuff. As for letting the enemy get stronger, and continuing on with the getting rid of smaller threats thing, would you honestly want a fight in which Goku could beat the bad guy with a flick of his wrist, which is what Superman can do if he used his head?
On the topic of me saying that he nearly destroyed a universe. Dude, just do a search on "goku shakes the universe" Hell, I even found something interesting on comicvine. Someone even mentioned the fact that the shockwaves from their punches destroyed planets as they traveled and Beerus would've destroyed the universe if Goku hadn't cancelled out the force of most of his punches with his own. It was an easy search to do. I looked on multiple sites and all of them are saying that the manga says so.
So, Goku can destroy the universe. It's canon. Deal with it.
See ya next time.
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How is it any different when everything is at a freaking standstill?! Literally no time is going by! You idiot.
I said Goku, not Krillin. I respect Krillin. Krillin never sent Marron to fight Cell and then give him a senzu
Can you prove it? No.
You are as dumb as Goku and deserve no time.
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cool what great fight of goku and superman my characters favourites of comic and anime is superawesome and fantastic congratulations friend is one great work
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Superman vs. Goku. Who would win? Don't know, don't care. What I do know is that this art is awesome! good job dude!
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As bad as GT was, SSJ4 looked far more epic and badass than SSJB could ever hope to be
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Eh, I don't know, I kinda like the look of Super Saiyan Blue a bit more. Yeah, it's just Super Saiyan with blue hair but.... I think it looks cool.
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When Doomsday starts his own charity.
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Try to go easy, Superman. Don't want to hurt his pride.
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no problem man keep it up
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Nicely done! But screw ScrewAttack for making Goku lose! Twice!
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Dude, Goku is nowhere near as strong as Superman. Hell, the closest conformation I found to Goku's strength was in the manga. There, he was stated to be not strong enough to lift Magetta even as a god, and he weighed 1,000 tons. And before you mention what he and Beerus did in Goku's red form; Ignoring the fact that it clearly isn't his actual strength that nearly destroyed the universe as the effects would be similar to dropping something into water: the closer area would be more affected, it was clearly more of a side effect of the red form itself or even Beerus' doing due to his nature as a God of Destruction. This is further confounded with Goku's blue form, 3 extra years of training and the Kaioken boost since there was no damage or destruction caused. It's more like a gamma based super hero beating the baddie not from strength, but radiation poisoning.
Goku has NOTHING to go on for being as strong as Superman. Heck, a friend even said that Toriyama confirmed Goku was not meant to be as strong as The Man of Tomorrow.
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Thanks! It was pretty ridiculous that they used a composite nigh-omnipotent Superman, but honestly I thought it was a lot worse that they had Kirby beat Majin Buu.
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Ikr? The first fight was better because Goku got the upper hand quite a bit, but when they just had Sup' WALK THROUGH Gokus blue god Kamehameha? I just said, "I'm out!"
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And after they fight, Batman has to rescue Superman from something he can't possibly stand against when meeting Goku; his food bill.
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Haha, two words you should definitely never say to Goku: My treat.
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Not unless you have the power of being rich.
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Veeery nice, loving the lighting. I personally would have added a bit more to supes's laser eyes but, that is literally just personal preference. XD
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Thanks, I appreciate it!
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