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Description Blak paper,watwrcolor pencils. Ref. photo by Taras
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urvogelarchaeopteryx In reply to ??? [2007-09-20 06:48:28 +0000 UTC]

Super point of view and then still so mysteriously painted. Beautiful pictures.

Gruß Tina

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zeldis In reply to urvogelarchaeopteryx [2007-09-20 07:12:19 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much for nice comments and many favs and the watch!

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donaldsart In reply to ??? [2007-09-19 22:46:13 +0000 UTC]

Fabulous

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zeldis In reply to donaldsart [2007-09-19 23:09:49 +0000 UTC]

It is an honor and joy for which you paid attention to my drawings and you liked! Thank you very much!

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Bijartis In reply to ??? [2007-09-19 13:14:07 +0000 UTC]

This is so cute ! The mischeaviousness of that kitten is very well captured in that portrait.

Well done !

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zeldis In reply to Bijartis [2007-09-19 15:16:26 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!

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Millie277 In reply to ??? [2007-09-16 19:25:32 +0000 UTC]

Wow, interesting technique, very well done!

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zeldis In reply to Millie277 [2007-09-17 05:42:22 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!

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Robin-Art In reply to ??? [2007-09-15 02:30:58 +0000 UTC]

well done!

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robertsloan2 [2007-09-12 07:37:45 +0000 UTC]

This is remarkable! Usually when I see watercolor pencils used by dipping the point and drawing wet, the result is garish and improbable. Not this time! You used the intensity of the technique to render white areas powerful and saturate them completely on black paper. That's a new one for me -- I'll have to remember to try that technique.

The lighting is magnificent. Realism is perfect and the subject has so much character. The look in this cat's eyes is priceless. "Dad, you had to shine the flashlight on me right when I was out doing mysterious nocturnal cat things? Dude, what do you think the other cats are going to say about this?" He looks puzzled and interested and also like his pupils are narrowing to deal with sudden light. There is story in this image -- and that is something I look for. More than just a cute cat, the cute cat's emotions and responses to the viewer are very intimate, immediate, the cat trusts the viewer and is in a relationship with the viewer (presumably the photographer of the reference knew this cat well and didn't startle it too much!).

Wonderful concept and superb rendering along with a new technique that I'll have to try -- one that I've known about some time now, but found no practical use for with any of my subjects.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-17 06:24:07 +0000 UTC]

Hi, Robert! Sorry that and not responded your beautiful commentary before, but I was in a place where I did not have the translator. Very I am been thankful by your attention! Also I like your gallery. he is very tender to almost see like a man of my age this seeing the so spontaneous world of the children! And also I am seeing that you like the things that like my. it is a pleasure to know you!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-17 22:18:26 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! I write fantasy for adults usually, it is not always for children, but thank you anyway. I am a bit odd for how I treat children, they are people and I just treat them as people. I don't think of myself as having a special bond with children or dealing with children's subjects much, so I think it must be the dragons and castles and fantasy content you see as child related? But I am very happy you like my art, and you find what you do in it. Each person will see it in their own way.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-17 23:23:07 +0000 UTC]

Not I not nothing of your relation with the children….I talk about to that your you are not adult because seeing your gallery never my sensation can be imagined your ages… and your you feel like adult? Because I still and do not have the same age and until a year but that your!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-18 00:42:21 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm! Interesting! I am as free as a child, not bound down by normal expectations. Yes.

I am 53 years old, a self employed writer and artist, and also a professional cripple living on Social Security pension until I earn enough they cut off my payment. So I am very free of worrying about what people think of me and I do what I want. Interesting!

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-18 00:49:47 +0000 UTC]

Then you are 1 year greater than I. Equal I feel as your… But men tend to be left but time young. Good, everything depends on like defining the adult word. Listened once one becomes adult when it loses his parents. But with my not passed this. Now I see because you write so pretty - you are a writer… and I unfortunately not nothing english… Yes, you are very transparent in your drawings and sincere. I like!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-18 01:06:15 +0000 UTC]

I hope that I am clear and easy to read in my writings! When someone is having a hard time with English, I can sympathize. I can understand. I have not managed to learn any other language but English. I learn in class and then forget as soon as the class is over. I have learned and forgotten Russian, Latin, Spanish... all gone. English is a difficult language.

I often forget my age. I think about other things, like that I am a writer, or that I like this or that, or where I want to go. I read a lot.

I am so happy you like my drawings! Enjoy!

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-18 01:29:30 +0000 UTC]

And I please what to be spoken and to read - Russian and Spanish but and english is never studied and I am using the translator. It is but easy them men not to feel the age because they do not estan frequently watching the mirror as we and it does not do horrible faces to them like a we, xaxaxa! Of all ways I believe that we are lucky to have our art for being young to be able to bear the damn oldness!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-18 03:51:40 +0000 UTC]

Ah! Now I understand. Men do not look at the mirror as much. This is true! I don't worry about how I look, I think more about what I am doing. I do not worry about looking old, so what? I look about the same as I always did.

Only since all the men who were so athletic and handsome when I was young and disabled and dumpy got fat and lazy, I look better every year in comparison, because I still look the same.

Appearances are not even appearances. If you look in the mirror, you worry a lot about every detail. But what other people see is what you are wearing, how you stand, whether you smile, whether they like you. Someone in love with you will see you as the most beautiful woman that ever lived, no matter what. So why worry?

As I said, I do not think much about age or aging. I had surgery, got sick, am slowly recovering and will get my strength back eventually. Art is something that feeds my soul and it literally makes me feel better, it breaks up the boredom and gives me satisfaction.

Don't let other people say you are old when you are not. I am not old at 53. I am still alive, being alive or dead is the biggie. Being over legal age is freedom. After that age is nothing.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-18 04:23:51 +0000 UTC]

I am completely in agreement with you like man. I cannot say the same of the women and you are not going to deny that we have ours rasones hardly to bear this change. and also I think that in certain period of the life one begins to feel the lack of time that stops nothing agrees with the abundance of deceos and plans. That I am calling oldness. I congratulate to you that your you can feel and see equal you! Thanks to God! And if I am myself old or your you are not going to say, xaxa! Now I go to subit my photo of yesterday…

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-18 04:30:41 +0000 UTC]

Glad you are submitting your photo from yesterday!

I think one reason I don't feel the oldness is that I am more removed from society, with my disabilities. I do not live by the clock. I do not get up early in the morning or rush to do this or rush to do that, I can't. Time just flows for me, and I do things on the days I feel good enough to do them. It changes my perspective.

I do not measure myself against other people. I am always either way, way ahead or way, way behind, never just in step with other people, so I don't worry about the time table of when to get old, or stop having fun, or most of all "act my age." This is something that has never done me good no matter what age I was when someone said it. It usually means stop having fun, do what I tell you.

I could die tomorrow in an accident. So could a teenager. I could have died in the surgery, I didn't. Mortality is what it is. But I don't just think that I have to worry about what time I have left, because the time is what it is and I live in the now. I make plans anyway, why not? I still have a lot that I mean to do, especially travel and many books to write, many other things to do.

I think that beautiful women are performance artists. Clothing and makeup and manner all are a grand performance, and that must be stressful sometimes. But it is magnificent and I always appreciate it!

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-18 04:49:09 +0000 UTC]

I understand to you perfectly. In order to feel I to me free last years I am practically locked up in my house with my husband who is a great friend who is my world and I am only leaving to work. Thanks to God that my work is not every week and are only 3 hours in orchestra every day and 2 concerts. I must work much in house. That pleases to me. I do not have any necessity to relate to the people “live”. I like to speak now as well as with you because she does not limit my freedom. But with time and the death I have a relation completely different from which you have your because I believe in God and the salvation or nonsalvation and for that reason if I feel the lack of time that is natural with the years…. and if we have the tools to see us better but nonsera because the women envejezen but fast or simply we are but ugly? XAXAXA!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-18 22:57:24 +0000 UTC]

Ahh, yes, it must be intense to be in an orchestra. I guess most of your practice is at home, though I don't know what else is involved in orchestra work. I don't go out much because I am disabled. What is envejezen? The word is unfamiliar to me. I do not see older women as ugly, they are often very beautiful. Beauty is an inner personality trait as much as it is natural build and style. Style and clothing say a lot about who a person is, and many people see those symbols and imagine looks to fit the clothing as long as it fits and the person likes how it looks.

I think with your religious outlook, yes, we have a very different view of life and death. I am not Christian and so some Christian ideas are very foreign to me.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-19 01:02:50 +0000 UTC]

That it hurts… I am speaking of Christianity… In orchestra we have tours and thus I could travel by Europe and in Chinese and now we are going to have 2 you rock by the USA. He is pleasant and at the same time frustrating because being 2 in Paris I did not have time to lower to the Luvr… But of all ways he is pretty because I believe that I cannot pay trips like these. It is interesting what you said on style and the clothes because I am not sure that she can be truth. I am changing my style constantly, until every day and I remain i myself…. You watched my photo that promised to you yesterday? That you can say of my style? Envejezer means to make old.

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-19 04:00:59 +0000 UTC]

Christianity hurts?

Oh traveling like that would be so wonderful. Enjoy it! I hear that the Louvre is fantastic.

Ahh. Thank you for the definition of envejezer. I mean that people will see you as you see yourself, that if you like how you look and are happy and live big, people will see you as positive and attractive. It is not which specific clothes. It is an overall style of clothes saying whether you like fashion, whether you like colors that look good on you, how you wear it. Whether they fit. A person who is embarrassed usually does not look as good. I think you look good, having seen your self portrait.

People always under guess my weight and over guess my height, by a lot, because I seem like I should be tall and thin. I am short and stocky, but I act like a tall thin intellectual and wear black all the time, so they assume -- must be tall and thin. I am sitting down too so they don't guess accurately.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-19 04:18:31 +0000 UTC]

That likeable your replacing! Fact to smile to me. Yes, I also am using this - I have very ill column and she always hurts to me and it is difficult to move but I am walking as dancer and I make many sports and all think that I am healthy and strong, xaxa! Also I am giving claces of piano in golf club where they live very very rich and I always come dressed better than the mothers the students and everybody this thinking that this waiting for my driver to me but is my husband, xaxaxa! Yes, you have all rason! and the Christianity - not that it is what said my tyranslator. Better I am not going to speak of this by same rason.

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-19 04:26:42 +0000 UTC]

I do not debate religion to people. I respect other people's religion, probably it is best to drop it. I hope that I am not coming through as confusing as some of your sentences are from the translator. I am happy with my religion but trust that your religion is the right way for you.

To me it is exciting the translator works at all!

You look lovely. I believe it, you look better than the mothers and the students and everybody, and they think your husband is your driver! Go you!

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-19 05:28:09 +0000 UTC]

Then we arrived at conclucion that the appearances deceive, xaxa! Because I complete it that I want - is to be rich. I am not discussing either on the beliefs. That was for only giving to understand to me. This translator that I am using makes pranks! Accustom pe puts in very uncomfortable situations, friend. He was very pleasant to speak with you! You are boy adult!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-19 16:27:05 +0000 UTC]

Right! Yes, I am boy adult. 17 going on 54. That is me.

Getting rich would be nice. I never did it yet, but I don't deny it would be fun. I'm not sure what I would do past a certain amount of money, but I would probably think of something like helping the environment or the homeless, there are ways to distribute it that could help people a lot.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-19 16:41:33 +0000 UTC]

It means that you had birthday day 17 of this month? Or it is going to be in October? I do not believe that the rich ones can help much. For my the aid that truely is worth is when one reports of which it is important for and not when one gives what him this exceeding… I do not want to be rich. It is never sufficient and the necessities estan growing as grow the possibilities. Then little by little these losing the easy freedom because you begin to depend on things that you did not have before and you can live without them.

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-19 16:58:51 +0000 UTC]

Oh! No, it's farther off than that. My birthday is December 10.

I think that depending on how you do it, even a middle class person can help a lot -- person to person, not try to overcome the global problem as an individual or go through an organized charity. I think it's more things like when I have excess money, I help people out. I teach art. I do prevention for homelessness by teaching art and by doing my How To Draw books, because if anyone knows how to draw -- they are never completely broke without a job again in their whole lives.

I think that sometimes the process of managing money takes a lot of time and stress for the very rich. I have lost some of this freedom because of my health. I cannot live without climate control, either heat or air conditioning, because I am too weak. In that situation in a bad climate I would probably die. I need to eat some expensive foods not to get sick. I need medication, oh that costs a lot. I need help with day to day living activities because I am disabled. So I am in a bind. I either have to depend on government, which was hard and I almost died waiting to get the medical care I needed, or I have to be rich enough to afford things like my medicine on my own. Staying alive is not a luxury. Dependence on other people is something I have had to accept because I am disabled. I need a waterbed or I lose half of my day's energy just to not having slept and to the pain of not sleeping in one. So my life is more expensive than an abled person, it is not a choice.

I know there are people who get used to some luxuries and depend on them, sure, but if it is really only a social expectation or emotional -- human beings adapt when it's gone. I have done without things most Americans think of as necessities sometimes and still survived, sometimes was still happy. But I am not strong enough to carry that to the extreme I would have wanted to.

I wish I were strong, abled, healthy, could just take a backpack and travel on my legs anywhere in the world, living on whatever food was available, sleep on hard ground, not have to worry about things. But I am not.

I have helped people when I had very little in money, and it does make a big difference sometimes. I have my own ways of doing it. Teaching art and writing How To Draw books is a big one in itself.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-19 17:41:14 +0000 UTC]

It is incredible that people exist like your who in this situation estan thinking like helping others! I am hit with your history and I am going to you to confess that your you made very many now for my because is very important when one this analyzing to itself, to have a suitable datum point. Now your you are for my the datum point, a certain criterion to see quen I am I. It is very important for my, friend! And very I am been thankful you! I want to know how to your name every day to say to God by you. it does not matter if your you are Christian or no. I am sure that without aid of God you were not what you are. My respect and much love absolutely my heart and thank you very much!I know-you are Robert!Yupppi!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-19 23:05:01 +0000 UTC]

It doesn't seem that incredible to me, because I knew so many other people in the homeless shelter who would do the same thing. And did, when I was homeless. We all helped each other. It was different from charity. It was not looking down on each other the way charity is arrogant sometimes.

And it was never, when it was other homeless people, with the attitude that "I know better than you do what you need." We understood the need because we all shared it. We passed on what we had, shared what we had, talked about plans, listened to each other. I know my talking about my art career helped a salesman and a beautician become self employed, because they didn't think of doing it on their own without being hired.

Thank you for the thought that you think of me this way, as kind or good. Many many people are, not by fear of gods or love of gods but because they are. Some people learn compassion from hard situations. Some learn intolerance. It is still the person's heart that turns them to good or evil. I do not believe there is only one god, but I believe that your God looks after you and loves you very much.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-19 23:18:50 +0000 UTC]

Good, all know the suffering and one can almost die by the things that nor are compared with which these counting me your. Of that I am speaking - of the force of the spirit whom there is to have. And your now you are a criterion that I want to try to reach. And also I believe that the root of all this each one sees as different thing and they give different names him. For some reason one is born happy and another one and I am not speaking of the situations of the life, am speaking of the nature of person without concerning the difficulties on the contrary or. Those days I am receiving very many praises and they say very good things to me and I am sure that it is not a chance that your you appeared here for my! Very I am been thankful!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-20 05:44:39 +0000 UTC]

There are many reasons and not the least of which is what each person decides about how to view life and how to treat people, decides what is right or wrong. The reasons people have for anything are usually too complex for anyone but that person to know. I could not know your reasons for feeling the way you do, believing what you do, thinking what you do. The only person that I can make such decisions for is myself. So I don't know if what you see in the divine is the same thing I see in the divine. I do not presume to guess.

When you get praised, when you are told good things about yourself, don't think these things are false. They're true. Some people may say something nice and be wrong. Some people can say something cruel and be wrong. A few will say something true -- and 90 % of the time, the same truth is either hurting and cruel, or it's a compliment that cheers -- in how it is said and in context.

You are a person of great faith and you believe kindness is good and right, so I know you will find it in yourself to give.

Give from a full heart and a full belly. This is what happened in the shelter. Those who had anything more than survival would share it, because we all knew what it was like to need and worse, what it was like to get stepped on because you need. We could and did share dignity and we did share what we had because that put us a whole step beyond the people who treated us like unwanted burdens.

If I teach someone to draw and they go out and get rich as an artist, oh I'm happy! I'm congratulating them. I see it and I feel good inside -- that was useful, that was so worth doing for me to teach them. That's enough -- that they got something out of it.

But some of the people who work for charities do it because they can look down on the people they help, and try to use people's need to force them to agree with things they don't, to blackmail them emotionally and sometimes literally. All of it legal. All of it just social pressures. I can't tell you how many times I had various staff or volunteers try to give me ugly clothing with stains and unmended tears that didn't fit and was a style that would look bad on me or make me look old and helpless -- and then with honest intensity tell me that it'd look good on me, really, it looks great.

Because it looks the way they wanted to see me, as an old bum. Not as a self employed writer-artist hitting a bad run of luck, but as what I was supposed to be, a Charity Case. How could I have the arrogance to decide what I wanted to wear if I was too poor to buy clothing? When it was no more than my being self honest about my size and not bothering to take lots and lots of rags, but select a few things that fit and then mend them and wash them regularly. That is the kind of thing I mean. They may not even realize they were doing that, but they wanted me to fit the stereotype of Charity Case. To look and feel helpless, like a bum.

Rather than a jeans and black tee-shirt artistic type who just happens to be in a bad season, happens to be sick, knows he doesn't need the kind of job he couldn't do in the first place, only an income enough to find housing. I was so isolated in there from everyone else who lived the way I did -- but at the same time, my being there opened up things for some confused people who had never taken seriously living the way I did, and learned how to make it work.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-20 06:06:35 +0000 UTC]

Indeed of this I was speaking. Sight, was very easy to clear me the dignity and to make think deeply to me that I am not nobody, which I cannot anything, that I am not worthy of love nor respect when I was young, handsome, talented, good girl that it naturally loved the people (without rasones), incapable to make damage or to judge, I did not have deficiencies and dependencies. He is not shameful comparing with which you had to live and never to lose the dignity neither the force of the spirit nor love? And I am not blaming to nobody I am taking the blame to my same one that that was littleible easy, without effort to do with my. And later all the life I was gathering pieces i constructing a worthy person that it is worth the trouble. That waste! And now I have just a short time has left nothing else to try to serve, does not stop to be so occupied of this construction… For that reason I clear the hat to me in front of you! And as the people dealed with to you this saying - the God pardons mine - does not know that they estan doing! It is that I do not believe in general evolution. I only believe in personal evolution. your insurance you are going to understand.

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-20 06:37:48 +0000 UTC]

I am glad that my stories have been inspirational. You have a clear path of your own, walk it in joy.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-20 06:42:41 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, friend! And your also it lives happy because if you can and you deserve it! I am going here to say by you by far love.

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-21 20:09:55 +0000 UTC]

You enjoy it. The big thing is it's not a grim sacrifice, it's not martyrdom, sharing like that is a warm commonality of situation and it lightens things on both sides. A taste of respect after so much humiliation, and self-respect, goes a long way for people who are in bad situations.

There is a difference in facing hard times between thinking of yourself as a victim suffering, or as a survivor enduring. The latter is a lot saner and leaves more emotional strength to be able to face it, and still have the energy to do something for others. Any relief becomes an opportunity to share. It was harder later on in subsidized housing because of the isolation and dependence on impersonal bureaucrats who would come over and make demands or threaten or patronize me, without anyone else involved. For a long time those were the only people I saw, and I think in some ways that was the worst.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-21 21:30:40 +0000 UTC]

In that aspect it wanted to ask your relation with the fact as to feel it hurts to itself. I understand or that one cannot feel like a fighter i survivor when it feels hurts to itself but on the other hand I am sure that a person cannot understand and not to judge others if does not know it hurts to itself and I do not see anything bad in this because I believe that without this feeling the intention cannot be born to share or to love I mainly promoan and when one this in bad situation as your you were. I still do not have answer to that question. Because the daily point of view that to feel hurts to itself is bad - for my it is not acceptable because it comes from daily pride.

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-21 22:20:19 +0000 UTC]

We are very different in philosophy.

I do not think pride is bad. I do not think envy is bad. I do not think anger is either. They are all emotions. Morality for me comes not with whether we feel these emotions, but how we act when we feel them. To have a full range of human emotion is to be alive. It is dangerous and probably arrogant to me to blame yourself for feeling anger or sadness or envy as such -- it is in my view healthy to accept the feelings as feelings.

Then say to myself if I envy someone who can, say, draw better than me -- that I can learn, it is desire, it tells me what I want and then I learn and there are two artists drawing cats well where there was only one. I know my heart, I know how I felt envying artists -- so when someone says they are jealous of me, I teach them. Not in a million years could they draw what I do the way I do it. If they learn, then I have someone to learn from because they will invent something new of their own.

I look at greed and it is two things. One is fear of poverty, and to overcome the fear by knowing you have something you can do to survive is good. Another is different, and I think it is like a squirrel's instinct to collect nuts. Humans collect things. They collect ACEOs and trading cards and comic books, or they collect things that take away other people's means of life. So I feel a little greedy -- and collect something small and harmless by trading for it, by being honest -- it is not in the feeling so much as how I express it.

Yes, bad times hurt. I have chronic pain and that hurting is physical if I am shamed or humiliated. That bites. That is rotten. But if I beat myself for crying when I feel that much pain, I will dig a deeper pit and never come out of the pain. I might have wound up in a nursing home if I did that. So my fibromyalgia tells me: do not stress over things. And when I learn not to stress, then I can do more and enjoy life more. I don't think I am a better man for it, I think that it just is, and I adapted to it.

I know that your beliefs rest on the Bible and also on a church's interpretation of the Bible and some customs that are not in the Bible but grew out of a way of life and the culture of that church over time. I know that mine are from other sources and some are my own interpretation of common sense -- this view I have of emotion came from that. Why should some feelings be seen as deadly sins, when it is actions that hurt other people? Feelings when denied just cause a lot of pain and get more intense. When I am self honest about my feelings, I can use my head to decide the right thing to do.

If I am angry sometimes I write about what I'm angry about. Either I calm down or discover I had good reason to be angry and write a good story or persuasive essay. Instead of smoldering and being crabby at people for no reason, I did something real with it and feel better but also did some good. That is how I look at emotions, and so I do not think pride is a bad thing.

I think arrogance is insecurity pretending to be pride, that has to hurt other people to support an illusion of pride. If I do something well, I can take real pride in it. I think real pride and real humility are the same thing, a self honest view of achievements and failings, and that to be honest like that is to live closer to the real world. And maybe closer to the divine too, would the divine want to be lied to like that?

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-22 00:21:42 +0000 UTC]

You are one of but the healthy and prudent people who I know. Your point of view is but honest and the comfortable one to live. This very clear for which this not motivating to think to you positively, to try to help, to share or not to lie to itself. where they leave the criteria. It can be that to be able to survive and to go ahead he is indispensable to think like your. Well from where all this comes but not in which your these being based on your philosophy. It personally sounds very logical but for my the pride - it is the cause of all our pains and also lies and bad conducts. I also have my rasones to think thus - your you are going to understand if I say to you that single we cannot do nothing. That all we must it. Only where God does not put - it is in our freedom to decide with that we are. Then now you understand because I think thus. I am sure that your now these in a stage and really esteem much everything what you are. I am sure that everything is going to change (clear in agreement with my beliefs you cannot wait for another thing of my). Hopefully and that after dying we can be seen to chat of this and to laugh much together, because then surely we go that is to say as they are the things, friend mine!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-22 00:28:07 +0000 UTC]

No, I think when you talk about the afterlife we are not actually thinking of the same thing, because I believe in reincarnation. After I die, I will rest a while and return and be someone else next time. This is how death looks in my faith, and you believe in an eternal afterlife.

I do not agree that a lone person cannot do anything. I have been alone and stood alone when no one stood with me, and this saved my life a couple of times. I have known extreme loneliness. It's happier not to be alone. But sometimes solitude is good.

We disagree on pride. I do not think it is the cause of all bad conduct. I think bad conduct itself needs to be judged as bad conduct, morals are drawn between people by agreement. Ethics are something an individual decides within himself or herself. I have been ethical when the rejection of society made it impossible to be moral, and knew I had to do what was right even if I would be condemned for anything I did. This happened many times because of undiagnosed disability. I would know the truth, others would not, and I would face all sorts of false accusations.

Real pride and real humility are two sides of the same thing, in my view.

Arrogance and false humility are both also dangerous, and they are lying to the self and others in ways that are very damaging. I think that most scriptures that speak against pride are talking about arrogance.

I am, here and now, who I am on the path I am on. You are yourself. I'll be me, you be you, that is my whole philosophy of other people. You find solace in your faith, so you understand pride as you do and struggle against it. Perhaps satisfaction or contentment is a better word for you to understand the positive pride I write about, to look at something you have done and know it's a good thing, honestly.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-22 01:09:52 +0000 UTC]

Everything what your you say this convincing to me in a thing - that everybody becomes aware. I talk about the conscience that that says to us this badly and that this good, with that we are born all and later the things vary according to the society moral that this raising to us. Another thing - it is like we are using that conscience and that so honest we are and brave to listen, because voda tends to change to the capacity or the will to listen. Of that these also speaking when you say that every one this deciding its ethics. And of the same I am speaking when I write on the freedom to choose that God gives us. Now, if your these in agreement that that exists, you had to stop some you see you to think from where it comes, as one puts in us, because it exists. When younger and studied the Eastern philosophies but no longer I believe much in reincarnation. I believe in the eternal life of the soul. And, being honest - I do not find the consolation in my faith. He is all the opposite - my faith makes me feel an abyss in front, gives much fear me which can happen with my soul if it does not reach the time to change to me. But also it gives one slight hope to me… For that reason you can understand that I cannot be proud don't mention it what I do or what I am. - between my and my main-the criterion Christ, also encounter the people like your, who I cannot arrive nor at the heels… is what I feel! But I am working….

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-22 01:32:05 +0000 UTC]

Okay, I am confused. Are you asking that I should not link to any of your Deviations or feature you in a news article or something? Your call, I will respect your privacy.

If your faith does not give you comfort or joy, and only brings fear, perhaps you are not on the right path for yourself. I would not stay with a religion that brought only fear. Don't beat yourself up this way, it's not healthy, or fear death so much. That can take the joy right out of living, to worry about death too much. Whenever I go, I'll die young and wouldn't be ready, but I'd rather be alive and think about life.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-22 01:50:57 +0000 UTC]

No, I did not say to anything of this on my deviations or articles. It is my translator! And on the matter of the faith he is not question to accommodate to his faith to the life or for comfort or joy. One is which one thinks as they are the things and thinks that it is truth. And what it causes to me the truth cannot change it. Aside I do not believe that the life necessarily must be comfortable and cheers. On the contrary - the life is life, it is not a Paradise and the comforts and joys that we managed to live - they are divine gifts of love.

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-22 02:05:23 +0000 UTC]

Life can be good. Life can be as good as you can make it. Even when rough things happen, life can still be good -- it's in how you live, how you look at it and whether you stop to see the things that are beautiful.

I do not see a point to unnecessary pain, to putting oneself in pain deliberately. There is more than enough trouble in the world for everyone, even someone lucky enough to have a soft life will still cry and grieve and hurt themselves -- so why seek out more?

When it comes to choosing a religion I look at its ideas and tenets -- that comes from what is written and from how people who share it live, whether they are happy. I look at its practices and ask myself if it makes sense, real sense, or if it has some catches that automatically condemn some people as evil just for being who they are. And then beyond that, I look to my own spiritual experiences which are not really something public as they are too personal. Each person has the capacity for spiritual awakening. I know that Christianity is joyous for many Christians, and if it is not joyous to you, I would suggest seeking a minister who is joyful rather than a scary one. Because the scary ones say many cruel things and can cause great ills in the world, but the ones that talk about Christ as loving and giving and forgiving are the ones who laugh and play Christian rock and don't fuss so much about customs or hair cuts or styles.

So ... I don't know what church you are in, but it does sound like some kind of spiritual crisis. Hm. There is an English author who was Christian and wrote very joyous Christian material, C. S. Lewis is very famous for that. He wrote The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe which is Christian allegory, and there are also other works sometimes directly to the point. Perhaps you can find translations of them, they would be good reading.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-22 02:25:16 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you! It is difficult to explain the things but you profound on another language and later to translate in third without being able to review that so correct it is. My native language is Russian and I am writing you in Spanish and soon translator, xaxa! No, I did not mean that I am unfortunate! I am very happy during many many years and have many together things that many people estan dreaming. I cannot complain don't mention it. And all these wonders that I have were done by my same one. I for that reason am scared that I do not lie to my same one who I am and I am very conscientious of which I do not deserve it. it is not false humility, creates me! I like very many as you spoke to me of the minister. rather - it is lack of one what he has something to me scared. I am in a catholic country being orthodox and the church this in another city… But I have best possible books and the twin sister that she is nun. I not chosen the religion. I simply really believe in which she says my religion and she does not matter as she is called. And separate - that I can do with that? it is just as your you cannot let think that day is day and the night is night, xaxa!

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-22 02:56:02 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow. You are orthodox but you live in a catholic country. That's rough. I do not know as much about Orthodox religious thought.

Hmm. We are very different people and your life path is different. I do not think that you or I don't deserve to have a good life, to be happy, to have pleasant things in life. I think that any human being deserves freedom and health care and the means for survival, if they can't work they deserve to have help from society without being shamed for it. I think that starts to go into my politics too, because right now I am very angry at my government.

The USA should not be so far down in the world on such things as poverty and unemployment and infant and maternal mortality. There is something wrong if one of the richest nations on the planet has this big a gap between rich and poor -- and it has widened all my life, every decade it gets worse. There is a lot wrong with this country that I know is sometimes found elsewhere in the world -- and sometimes not. But that is my view and I am voting again next year to try to do something about it, when I get angry, I get eloquent. This time many things need to be said.

I see that as something that human beings are responsible for, but I do believe you and I and each person is entitled to dignity too and to self respect.

I understand, you believe these things literally and they scare you. I hope that you find a good Orthodox minister who can guide you, and comfort you in these fears. Because Christ is supposed to mean joy and forgiveness and loving from what I can tell, and in my country there are people who twist that faith to something ugly and evil, use it to torment minorities, use it to threaten violence to anyone who doesn't belong to their church. They put this hate rhetoric on television and it gets billions of dollars, these televangelists drive luxury cars and wear silk suits and live the high life, but the poor send in their money and get rooked by them, and stirred up to violence.

That's what I call arrogance and probably what you'd call pride, I just don't think there is anything wrong with pride in a job well done or something else good that you've done, that is just a good feeling -- so long as in that there's also honest respect for others who do a good job. There is my view of pride.

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zeldis In reply to robertsloan2 [2007-09-22 03:20:11 +0000 UTC]

If that happens in the USA, you can imagine that this happening in Mexico, where still democracy - and single s a word and are uchos that do not know to read and live the rich man but on the world? Your you know that there are no juries and any money does not pay if you lose work? There is no medicine either free and to a school it is necessary to walk until 20km every day to go as much and of return? And a deputy or governor has official pay but that your president (nor to speak whichever things but has and robs because the freedom of press does not exist transparency nor? If your you can do something in your country - my respect! sure your you have rason. simply ridiculous sera to say that I, working all the life to be better, looking for the truth, to my age and obtained nothing and all my efforts they did not give any result. But also the same sera triviality to stop very satisfied as I am, truth? You like my drawings? you visited my gallery? that you like (if pleases, xaxa)?

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robertsloan2 In reply to zeldis [2007-09-22 06:23:07 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes. I know Mexico has its own problems. I see this country deteriorating and so are others, but I am not as familiar with Mexico other than that it's extreme in those same ways. I never went there.

I visited your gallery, your drawings are very good. I commented and favorited the cat because I love cats most of all. The puppy is good too, but I'm personally fond of cats. I like nature and animal drawings the best, having done portraits for a living that became something else.

Freedom of the press exists in a few places, but not where I live. In the USA they say it's there and it's gone, it was there in the 60s and it's gone downhill from there. But in England where they don't claim it, they actually have more of it, which seems odd to me.

I don't know where I'd move to if I could. I would have to think about it and look at everything including the language, because I only speak English it would be hard.

Your art is very powerful, your drawings are beautiful. The cat is something spectacular though, so real and lit so well.

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