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... to any picture that I come across on Deviantart. C:
This is just what I do, I just want to show you guys, once for all. C:
It's not all of them of course, just the main 1st steps.
No hard feelings towards any spectacular individual.
Opinions are welcome, but critiques are not needed.Β
Please feel free to state your opinions. But even if you disagree with me, please say it in a nice manner. I may or may not agree with you however, I won't try to change your mind, so please don't try to change mine. C:
Any hate comment will be marked as spams. I have the right to, since this is my deviation.
You can share this map elsewhere, but please credit me and link back to this page.
Cheers! o/
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I wants to share this to tumblr O VO!Β
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I think it's nice to read about what info people would like to see in the descriptions, as you said "They're not there for nothingβ¦" Though sometimes I have so much trouble writting them. Now I have some ideas about what info people may be interested in. Thanks. 
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lol that's alot more thought out than what I do XDD
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One thing I got caught up in for a while was that I assumed that people wanted/appreciated critiques. I really try to comment on group submissions a lot, and I used to leave brief critiques in addition to my comments (such as, "I love x but you could make the shading darker and further develop the hair" or something). Some people were actually insulted by that o.o Now I just comment on what I like
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I think this is a good visual representation of one way to think about what to do in these situations. To me, it looks like something your brain goes through really fast, and having a visual of it to go through slowly is really clever
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This makes me wonder now if I would be allowed to use the redistribute buttons dA gives- like tumblr and stuff- because it shows a tiny file of the work and then links back to the original one. Hardwork done for you, and I do it for things I like on dA and want to share to my tumblr (not my art tumblr). It's not stealing anything, I don't comment "LOOK THIS IS WHAT I DID" or anything.
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Wow, I have no idea why- but I'm utterly impressed! :3
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*giggles madly* Β Can I just say how much I love this?
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i usally end up seeing more of their art and stalking them until hell freezes overΒ Β Β
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Awesome. This is a cool idea for a chart. Really detailed. I actually agree with most everything in this, especially the parts about reading the description and comments before commenting. I usually do that just to make sure I'm not just repeating what someone has already said, or that has been mentioned in the description.
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This would be a really good guideline to many of those deviants who just want to troll, or steal art.
Sadly, upon seeing this they will most likely declare TL;DR.
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Then it's time to block, report, and ignore. C:
When someone just merely want to be a troll, the best thing I can do is to ignore them, after doing all that I can. It's quite a waste of time trying to talk to them. So I just go ahead with the blocking and reporting.Β
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I'm wondering. Is this: "C:" a smiley or does it have any real meaning? Im confused.
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Ah yes it's a smiley hahah. C is the mouth and : is the eyes. It's quite the same as this face 
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Nice guide! I think a lot of people should read this. x_x I knew someone who couldn't understand why saying someone's character looked like a popular anime character was an insult to an artists creativity. They thought it was a compliment.
If I thought someone stole someone else's design, I personally would note a person asking if they stole a design. Many people get even more defensive if you ask them in public, you know? Like, if they feel you make them look bad.
Anyways, this should be on the front page. xD You really must have put a lot of time and effort into this. It's so well planned out, like the layout.. >//π: 0 β©: 1
Ah yes actually, about the 'I doubt that you stole the design.' part, it actually happens very rarely to me, hahah.
I often go the other direction.
But yes now that I think about it, it's not exact that I drop a comment to ask right away, unless I'm like 99.99% sure that they stole the design, and the design is not mine/by someone I know (meaningly from animes/mangas/games etc.)
If the design is by someone I know, I normally report to that person through notes.
If the design is mine, I normally solve things through notes.
So I actually use notes more than commenting. In general, I actually hardly leave comments, I think you can also see that from this chart. C:
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I don't think criticism is bad. When I look at someone's art, I try to say something about it, like "the hand seems to be too short", for example. I think that when there's absolutely no criticism then the situation is really wrong. You say, that giving critique without permission is rude. In my opinion much more rude is when someone is angry at me, because I dared to say anything about his precious picture.
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Dear, this is just my own opinion. I didn't even say this or that is rude. C:
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Can i share this on tumblr and put on a journal?
I think everyone should follow this chain of thoughts.
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Great! In my opinion it's a healthy way of thinking and reacting ^^
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Woah!! this is amazing! everyone should see this
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Awww, this is amazing an somehow really cute to read! I loved it!Β
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Aaahh 
I love your art there is honestly nothing bad i can say about it at all, so to have someone like you comment on how i could improve would be amazing,Β
i think your chain thoughts/reactions are very fair!
Keep drawing awesome stuff!Β
AlsoYouAndYourGirlFriendAreMyFavDACoupleOmfgSoKawaii Β
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that's normal.
This is my usual route:
see the thumbnails, heartlessly close the boring one
open in new windows several that pique my interest
if it is have some impact in me = comment + fave
it has no impact but a nice one = just fave
it is good but need improvement = leave comment
it deserve a fave but I'm fav-ing to much art of this person already = a nice comment
but sometimes:
it is great but I don't know what to say (I feel dumb for repeating "awesome" after several hundred times) = fave
I never give critique to stranger
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i actually go out of my way and seek criticism. i know my art is not perfect and i like to get constructive criticism to help me improve. what i don't like is technical crap like 'that's not this plant its this plant'
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C: Yes, well to me, constructive criticism are not, 'Hey you do it wrong.'Β
It's, 'Hey, I think you should do this, try this. Maybe it'll give a better result. C: '
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constructive criticism is what i don't mind. i highly encourage it. and yeah screw others who can't take it, especially when advice is given
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C: Well, people have the right to consider if something is really constructive to them or not. I personally don't really mind if they don't.Β
After all, I can never be sure if my own opinions can really help them or not to call it constructive. C:
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if there is advice then i accept it if not then i usually ask how can i make it better
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Sure, that's a good reaction of yours. C:
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I think Aristotle says it best about criticism, βTo avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.β
The reason why I say this and believe in it is because if you can't handle it now, you're going to have a hard time accepting it later too, even on the job or when required to. Nobody asks for many things, but sometimes we have to deal with them and know how to deal with it unless we want to steep to their own level- pretending it's not there is not a good way to look at it, it is also wrong to say only one view, your own or not, matters.
For example, the best one I have, a instructor of my English course told us to critique each other's works, we had to use a specific format. For me, it took me 3 hours to critique it properly. I first read it to get an understanding, the second time was to write down what needed improvement (grammar, spelling, more information etc.), and the third time was to read over both material (their essay, my critique) to make sure that it is right. You want to know what happened? This student, despite it being a assignment to critique, decided to look over my own paper. I was thrilled about this, I love hearing feedback about my own stuff, especially writing, as I did it often during my own time. What to know what they did? They looked for the same EXACT errors I found in their own paper...ok, how it that not helpful? Many of the 'errors' she pointed out, were not there, and this was also seen by the help department in my college. Since I love criticism, and this one wasn't helpful, I decided to write a letter to her about how I felt and how some of the things she said seemed like she was reacting in anger due to my critique instead of being helpful. You know what she did? She cursed me out like I stole her baby or burned her house down, and then reported me to the instructor for my 'bad behavior'. The teacher saw both sides, and told me not to worry about it, it was the other person who acted childish, he assured me my critique was helpful and well-thought out all around, more then he expected or seen from previous students. However, throughout the semester, since these critique papers had to be put in a public forum, other students did not bother critiquing my paper in the future, because they were just as afraid for reasons unknown to me. As for the student that was acting like that, their grade for that paper was a D-. Funny enough, many of the errors I pointed out were the ones the teacher marked...such as using Wiki as a source.
Another perfect example from my life. I have worked on a project for 6 years, a very long time as you can see. One day, this woman came by and she torn apart my project like it was nothing, she gave it the whole work, critiquing it. Unlike the above, I was younger at the time. Know what I did? I thanked the individual and told them why I was grateful. How the woman reacted? She told me that most people don't react so happily after hearing her critiques they act like, well, like what I wrote above. I said the quote above to her, made her laugh. And what came of that? Turns out she can give away scholarships and she was part of some company, they gave me a large sum of money (a scholarship) to a certain college. My project was wrong in many places, and I felt bad that I was doing it wrong for so long and probably looked like a fool to many, but I took it with stride when it happened to me and knew what to do in the situation.
Imagine if I was like that woman from my first example; I most likely would not have earned that scholarship and based on that woman's personality, she probably would have punched the lady. Having knowledge in the area I was studying is always great, but if you cannot handle criticism, be right or wrong, your knowledge won't really matter much. I have also seen the following negative reactions even from individuals that have ASKED for a critique, so it doesn't just come from one side, the one that 'doesn't ask for it'.
Critique does not mean what was written was negative or to hurt your feelings. Critiques are written to help you, or at least they should be written as such. I have seen critiques written in many ways, and one thing I learned, is no matter how nice it is written or what format it is written in (such as my teacher required for the essay), a person can still react not so nicely and say that your critique is all wrong etc, even if it is right and written as nice as can be.
My main point is, if the person cannot handle criticism over the internet, especially with strangers whom are mostly faceless to the viewer, they will have a hard time handing it in real situations in real life. And not knowing how to handle it can, and usually does, ends with negative results.
Of course, this does not mean any 'negative' comment is criticism. If someone wrote 'Your art sucks', that is not criticism, because the person did not say 'how it sucked' and how to improve it so it can 'not suck'. A critique has to cover all of those basis and offer good points as well as the bad (if there are any good points, sometimes there really are none.) I honestly do not know how to critique art of the drawing kind, but I am guessing a critique should have the following; visual, emotions/motions, colors used, anatomy/perspective, POV, and imagination. There are probably others, but I wouldn't really know them what they are xP A critique should not focus on other things though; such as the characters within the piece are not to their liking and/or true according to the fandom. Critiquing on that would be incorrect. However, if the person stated how the image represented their personalities are wrong/incorrect, as long as they stated how to improve it, that would be fine. A teacher, for instance, is also a figure that does critique, what is grading a paper then? It's certainly not for their health, and just because it is their 'job', it does not mean others cannot do it or are not qualified to do it. Just like it does not mean the teacher is always right, as I can think of a few examples for how that is proven false too.
I'm stating the above based on personal experience and from what I have seen personally with my own eyes, what I have shared above is only a very small portion. From what I know, criticism is meant to help you, not to hurt you. If the individual feels that way, maybe they should followΒ Aristotle's quote, and then they have nothing to worry about anymore. Although, they will miss the good along with it too.
The only time I think someone should not critique at all, is if the person they are planning to critique looks, as I would put it, 'unstable'. If they look fine however, it's ok.Β If a person is not sure how to handle a critique, if it is one, the best option would be to just thank the person for their time, it's not a wrong or a right answer, and neither have to go through the whole 'drama' of arguing back and forth for no reason either.
I agree that respect should be given to the artist, but respect is a two way street, it should also be given to the viewer/individual giving the critique as well. Respect does not mean saying nothing, in fact, that could be the worse option depending on the situation. Respect, at least I was taught this, is earned, not forced. Just like with my project, I worked on it for 6 years, but for reasons unknown to me, my errors were not pointed out to me by anyone prior to that woman I met whom were just as professional as her. This is not helpful to me, and could have been more dangerous if I hadΒ executedΒ it or was givenΒ permissionΒ to. So those that have said nothing to me, were not being helpful at all, and I just ended up looking like a fool instead, and that to me is worse then hearing criticism.
Bottom line is, you cannot take only the good and nothing of the bad, you will learn nothing, or improve upon what you have either, you will not experience, well, what is called 'life'.
Even though your opinions are different from my own, I hope you will at least understand what I wrote and why I wrote it, and will also have respect the time I took writing it, as I respect your own, even if we disagree in that area. :3
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I actually have nothing against your opinion, nor do I think our opinions have any disagreement dear. C:
This is about what I do when seeing people's pictures: I don't give critiques that I don't think they will receive it in a positive way.
This is not about how I react when receiving a constructive critique.
If I take my time to give a critique, I want to make it meaningful and I want them to understand I want to help them.
However, in case they don't: No hard feeling should be born. There's no way I can change a person's opinion about how they should do this or that if they don't want to; so, better not start an argument with: 'Hey I just wanted to help you, can't you see it?'Β
If I do that, the other will definitely not see it, simply because of the attitude. Constructive critiques are made to help, not to show off. And they shouldn't be written without thinking. That's what I meant.
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Thank you for responding.
Ah, ok, we definitely agree then. xD Nice to know the full side/meaing, the flowchart you created seemed to suggest, at least to me, otherwise. xD
Thank you again for responding to me and reading my comment. 
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I was just browsing DA and came across this flowchart, and after reading it I noticed your comment down here. I have to say, you're one of the most level-headed people I've seen write about how to critique and likewise receive it. From a guy like me, who doesn't often take the time to be level-headed about it, I want to thank you for providing some excellent feedback for the artist. Keep up the good work.
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Aw, thank you.
Thanks for sharing your view. :3
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I think people just act that way because they take it as you are offending their art or writing that they spent so much time on. My first critique I have to admit, I felt the same way. Of course I had asked for a critique and decided not to say my feelings about it. But then about a year later I looked back at it and notice they were completely right! Criticism can hurt but it can help. So I see truth to both sides.Β
Im just adding this as my thoughts about critiquing. Its different for everyone and I don't find it needed for arguments on it ^^'
You should always just respect their thoughts, if they don't like the critique then just say sorry and leave. :> If you did it correct then in a few years they will realize what you meant.
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I understand that view. I think if the individual realizes that it is meant for their work, and not them personally, it would be a little easier to see/understand, and if it's reasonable, to accept, without overreacting.
Oh you won't hear any arguments from me. I try to avoid conflict as much as I can, if possible. I'm not interested in raising my blood pressure unnecessarily xD
Thanks for posting your view. :3
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Ah yes, avoiding conflict :> I personally prefer to avoid it myself also. I never feel like comment battles are necessary, though they are alittle interesting to see
I'm glad you agree with my point of view or maybe you aren't. Idk You seem like a nice person.
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