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Description Congratulations, Yooka-Laylee! You're the new Mighty No. 9!

So, Playtonic decided to kick JonTron off of their game for the sake of “celebrating diversity and to make their players feel 100% comfortable with their games” after he made some quote-unquote, “controversial” statements on a live stream. While Jon may be upset about this news, but still wishing the company good luck, people were upset about his removal and the explanation given to it, and it didn’t help that a good portion of those who funded the Kickstarter was because of him. As a result, many backers have taken their fury to the Steam forums, asking for refunds and/or giving out their concerns on this decision…and were subsequently banned for it. And not only that, the person banning these people at Playtonic's publisher, Team 17, are also openly mocking them for that. It’s one thing to kick out a person out of a project for having an opinion, and then there’s being a butt and just blocking and mocking people for not taking that decision well.

This is very similar to the situation in Mighty No. 9, back when that game was hailed as the next coming of Mega Man, when a very questionable person with very little knowledge of Mega Man was appointed to be the bridge between the fans and the development team, a community manager, if you will. Her dubious behavior on the forums led to the bans of various backers and other ones started asking for refunds as a result of her poor judgment. And on top of that, that controversy was only the start of MN9's problems as it got closer to release...eventually after delay, after delay, after delay.

You were so close, Yooka-Laylee, but you ultimately ended up tripping near the finish line.

EDIT: I think I need to explain myself a little further. I'm only referring to pre-release blunders and this may not ultimately affect anything, since the game still looks good. However, considering how a good chunk of the audience is greatly upset over Playtonic's decision, Team 17's gross treatment of the ones complaining in the first place, and how people are getting sick of politics ruining everything (myself included), even their favorite pastimes, the future of Yooka-Laylee went from looking good to looking kinda fuzzy. While I see this thing as a tipping point towards not wanting the game, that should not detract you guys from enjoying it, hopefully. We will have to see if the game can rise up despite the controversies, or if it's gonna consume it.
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Comments: 67

AdvancedDefense In reply to ??? [2020-02-23 02:21:07 +0000 UTC]

Not since Mega Man 11 released.

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AtomicPixel5 In reply to AdvancedDefense [2022-06-05 01:59:16 +0000 UTC]

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Mario-and-Sonic-Guy [2019-01-16 15:27:34 +0000 UTC]

It is rather sad how people tend to bash Yooka-Laylee for taking you back to the N64 days. I mean, the N64 has games that are still legendary today.


Anyway, while Yooka-Laylee may not be the greatest game out there, it's definitely not as bad as some people might say; I'd probably say between 7/10 and 8/10 (for the Nintendo Switch version), with some of the notable issues including being required to backtrack at times, and some boss fights can be a pain to deal with if you don't have the patience. Of course, I haven't completed the story yet, so the rating may be premature.

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ETheJumper In reply to Mario-and-Sonic-Guy [2023-03-12 18:24:20 +0000 UTC]

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Solarzilla [2018-11-21 03:18:34 +0000 UTC]

But to be honest can you really blame Yooka-Laylee?

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Marigi245 [2018-10-16 15:30:14 +0000 UTC]

If a new Banjo-Kazooie game gets made, I want a sequel to this with Mega Man and Banjo saying "Step aside boys, THIS is how it's done!"

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AdvancedDefense [2018-02-22 05:21:45 +0000 UTC]

This comment was for Laharl234 , at least until he blocked me before I can even make a rebuttal. But I'm not gonna sit here and stay silent on this matter as long as I'm being provoked into making an argument, so here we go:

Jon himself is an immigrant. He's Hungarian-Croatian on his mom's side and Persian on his dad's side. I'm not defending him for being a funny guy, I'm defending him from people like you twisting his words and making him out to be something he's not based on his half-tired responses to a guy who actively tries to corner people he talks to in podcasts in order to make them look bad. 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgrRjo…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBrMlB…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDykEL…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNDnR…

And for bonus points, here's another Indonesian sharing his thoughts on this matter:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qoye4…
youtu.be/SdkuqzRJ8k0

(By the way, way to block me before I can even voice my reasons on the matter, much like the mods banning people voicing their concerns over Playtonic removing JonTron. Smart move there, buddy.)

Also, I was being sarcastic in saying that there aren't any other pressing problems with Yooka-Laylee aside from Jon being in it. There are plenty of problems that people have with the game. Now, it's not as bad as Mighty No. 9's problems, but it still puts a dent in the reputation of Kickstarter-funded games.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeU1bS…
youtu.be/nz4PwvzZ_sA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1sppZ…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T8gw7…

If you really have a problem with how my opinion differs from how you think I would have based on my race, then you are no different from the real racists and discriminatory people that these people rally against, yet label everyone like JonTron as racist 'cause they disagree with your views.

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Laharl234 [2018-02-21 08:21:41 +0000 UTC]

Both games are quite good. Removing RacistFuck was absolutely the correct decision, even if denial was rampant among his fans and they twisted it to make him seem like the victim.

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Keytee-chan In reply to Laharl234 [2018-05-14 08:34:08 +0000 UTC]

[Please, do not get angry at me for my comment Q_Q I'm just trying to provide an arguement to know your point of view better. I don't want you to hate me, as we may even become friends. Please, read this considering that i'm friendly to you.]

Um... i never cared for Jontron being racist...            To me he's just a fun guy with a fun show.
I just don't understand how can i hate the guy because of his questionable views, when i love his content?

I mean, even if he did, say, insult my country, Russia. I would still not care, because his show if fun to me, his game "reviews" are more on positive side of humor than AVGN's.

...Either way... Jontron may be racist, but in my belief, let people have awful opinions, as long as they keep it civil.
I mean... if people are allowed to have good and bad sides, then why not having great and awful sides?

BTW, i am not a racist, and i love afroamericans. But the thing is that i never cared about racism, because there's, like, almost no afroamericans where i live (Well, i live in Russia), and i rarely get outta home.
And i have the problem with my own personality... i always want only good things to happen to people, and i always try to help them when i can, and i always feel compassion to all people, even to the worst (Though, that would be better described as i feel sorry for bad people. Because it's sad how they are bad and not realising it.)            ...But i have unstable personality, and i can went really insane and start insulting everyone... also i have a god complex when i get nervous.             But every time after my psycho mode is over, i feel remorse for my actions.


(Sorry for too much words. I'm just trying to explain my opinion in as much detail as i can, so you would not misunderstand me... also sorry for my overcarefulness, because i'm kind of a sociopath, and i'm always afraid of making anyone mad...)

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AdvancedDefense In reply to Laharl234 [2018-02-22 02:38:34 +0000 UTC]

Well, I'd argue that calling him "Racist...Flip" doesn't make you look good either. I've heard better derogatory names for companies like Capcom and Microsoft, but that...that doesn't even sound remotely close to JonTron.

And yeah, okay, sure. Removing Jon's voice from a guy in a portapotty who only had like, five lines totally makes the game a whole lot better (Not that there are other rampant issues with the game to be more concerned with, oh no). 

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Laharl234 In reply to AdvancedDefense [2018-02-22 03:06:35 +0000 UTC]

1. Racist fuck

2. Did you just try to say I seem just as bad because my insulting name for him was uncreative? You know, trying to claim one thing about me by pointing to something completely unrelated. My nickname for him is truthful. He is racist. He is an asshole.

3. Nobody claimed removing him made the game better, but you're right, there weren't really any other issues (well, in the Switch version) that were concerning. Glad we agree on that.

Additionally I fail to see how someone from Indonesia would try to defend someone who hates non-Americans and non-caucasians. You're one of the people he hates. I know it's hard to accept that someone who's funny and seemingly cool isn't who people thought, but it's true. And if you do actually agree with his idiocy, than you truly astonish me.

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sonicfighter [2017-08-03 00:38:51 +0000 UTC]

I thought Yooka-Laylee done pretty well.

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NeoChandler In reply to sonicfighter [2017-08-11 02:02:09 +0000 UTC]

What about the sales?

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DeleteVirusCatchPKMN [2017-05-04 11:31:33 +0000 UTC]

HA HA HA HAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *whIzzziIIZIZIZZIZIk** AHahhAHHAhAHAhAHHAHAHAHA

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LemGambino [2017-04-21 21:39:52 +0000 UTC]

I'm just gonna go on record saying that I knew nothing about Team 17's involvement until a friend of mine linked me this. While I'm not upset, I agree this is a pretty scummy tactic and I hope Team 17 gets their just desserts for it. However, I am going to enjoy the game itself, not the drama behind it. I probably won't play the Steam version, but I'd be more than willing to buy one of the console versions (probably PS4 since I've been playing that a fair bit lately).

As for the picture itself, you captured both the characters nicely, and I love the little refund box. XD

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Retro7 [2017-04-21 21:29:27 +0000 UTC]

Hmm I don't think YL was in quite the position of MN9. The latter only got bad cause Inafune shot himself in the foot there by getting ahead of himself, sot that was deserved. But YL was more just for controversy over JonTron. If it was anything gameplay related, they instantly went back and fixed it, so I don't feel they deserve any scorn.

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LarioLario54321 [2017-04-10 23:50:28 +0000 UTC]

OH COME ON!!! I'M SICK OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THESE GAMES; I DEFENDED MIGHTY NO 9, AND S-T-I-L-L DO; AND I'LL DEFEND YOOKA-LAYLEE JUST AS MUCH!!!! > : (

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gamerkolby In reply to LarioLario54321 [2017-04-17 13:08:07 +0000 UTC]

YEAH! NIGHTY NO. 9 IS FUN, still have yet to play yooka Kaylee but I bet it's fun too!

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Fraterna25 [2017-04-09 19:02:00 +0000 UTC]

  

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baul104 [2017-04-08 20:57:20 +0000 UTC]

I just wish they (both fans of YL, JT and PTG company) should shut up about it and accept the fact that Kickstarter games and politics don't mix!

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1997DeviantIvan In reply to baul104 [2017-04-10 14:24:13 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.

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LonnieRohn [2017-04-05 08:00:14 +0000 UTC]

top notch mate, It's baffling and sad. somewhat to me I knew that "retro banjo-kazooie nuts and bolts" design would be a failure at first glance. instead of kicking-up with an new ideas they think it's smart to cut and paste out the original formula of the first game "banjo-kazooie"  out of it's superior sequel "Banjo-Tooie" and improve upon it. Really boggles your noggin If you ask me.

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THEDAIBIJIN [2017-04-04 20:42:21 +0000 UTC]

It's better than nothing.

-Yooka-Laylee

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DeleteVirusCatchPKMN In reply to THEDAIBIJIN [2017-05-04 11:31:57 +0000 UTC]

Hmmhmhmhmhm

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Hexen109 [2017-04-02 23:44:13 +0000 UTC]

AD, please understand, JonTron ruined himself. Playtonic just wants to stay out of this bullshit and that's why they decided, with Jon's conscent by the way, to cut ties. Jon was well aware of the shit he pulled and ended up admiting to it and calming down. Now I do not know who you are refering to as Yooka-Laylee's audience because everyone I know wants that game and never cared about a YouTuber doing a voice in game, and from the early reactions of people who played the pre-release version the game looks and plays awesomely. All I have to say is please, do not compare Yooka-Laylee to Mighty No 9 without a solid statistic to back you.

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AdvancedDefense In reply to Hexen109 [2017-04-04 01:54:39 +0000 UTC]

If you want proof that this situation is similar to Mighty No. 9's a while back, here is some:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRNDnR…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3SuLs…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdkuqz…

And no, JonTron didn't exactly ruin himself, it was more like Destiny ruined JonTron, his "debates" are pretty much designed in a way so that the opposing side looks bad, and so he can point out "look at dis racist!" See for yourself:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBrMlB…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDykEL…

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Hexen109 In reply to AdvancedDefense [2017-04-04 02:19:32 +0000 UTC]

I've seen the debate, Jon agreed to do it so he should have known what he was going into. And seems like those videos are only about people being "upset" about Playtonic's atitude. Game comes out this week, so it is to be expected that refunds are disabled, it is HOW KICKSTARTER WORKS! It is in their terms of use! But yeah, going on this pissy YuoTuber rage train makes everything look awful.

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danio13 In reply to Hexen109 [2017-04-03 05:11:01 +0000 UTC]

Such salt

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Hexen109 In reply to danio13 [2017-04-03 07:01:38 +0000 UTC]

Wut?

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LonnieRohn In reply to Hexen109 [2017-04-05 08:01:41 +0000 UTC]

ignore him. 

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newlyn585 [2017-04-02 23:38:31 +0000 UTC]

Could you please make more WALL-E:The Human Touch comic please? I want to see the exciting part.

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AdvancedDefense In reply to newlyn585 [2017-04-04 02:02:58 +0000 UTC]

I'm working on it. Please don't remind me about it.

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extremespeeds [2017-04-02 23:37:29 +0000 UTC]

And now there's another YouTuber I'll never quite see with good eyes anymore. I mean, I only respectfully disagree with Jon, but still, now he's gonna be hunted down too

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Chatterbeast [2017-04-02 22:54:24 +0000 UTC]

Who cares. This game still looks like it's gonna be fun.

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ManiacalDude [2017-04-02 04:07:26 +0000 UTC]

This is clearly jumping the gun.

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Rickterscyth [2017-04-02 02:13:31 +0000 UTC]

Poor refund box.

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Horsemenofchaos [2017-04-01 22:33:25 +0000 UTC]

Yeaaaaahhhh...... I don;t think you get to judge yet.... Mighty No 9 kept fucking up with the gameplay and the bad PR.... Yooka Laylee isn;t doing that.... And it is Jon's fault.... the internet isn't a forgiving place.... but if you're declaring Yooka Laylee the new Mighty no 9 Solely on Jon being kicked for saying a distasteful thing (Something That tends to happen to EVERYONE in every industry) You're not doing that right...

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Animefan-279 [2017-04-01 03:35:43 +0000 UTC]

And sadly, the delays weren't used for polishing the game.

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Degalon [2017-04-01 01:13:38 +0000 UTC]

Wasn't this just a Banjo-Kazooie ripoff anyway?

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commanderhavoc In reply to Degalon [2017-04-02 23:02:05 +0000 UTC]

Think its Fur-Fun you're thinking of there.

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Animefan-279 In reply to Degalon [2017-04-01 03:36:07 +0000 UTC]

Successor. The team behind it is made up of ex-Rare members.

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sigel4ever [2017-04-01 00:16:05 +0000 UTC]

the supposed spiritual succesor of banjo kazoie, in the same fate



 and probably justifided fury

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ghosthead8503 [2017-03-31 21:16:18 +0000 UTC]

As someonw who was actually ignorant to the fact that JonTron was even IN the game to begin with (and the same goes for Mighty No. 9,) even if I WANTED Yooka-Laylee, I have SERIOUS doubts my 'gaming rig' will properly run it.

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blueblur92 [2017-03-31 20:19:01 +0000 UTC]

Ummm. Yeah your making a big deal out of this.

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Infinite-Scratch [2017-03-31 19:07:59 +0000 UTC]

This controversy is nothing compared to mighty no 9.

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WhiteFreak14 In reply to Infinite-Scratch [2017-04-01 04:04:58 +0000 UTC]

That's why it's so fucking stupid.

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Hexen109 [2017-03-31 17:39:12 +0000 UTC]

Minor diference between the two games, Yooka Laylee was WAY MORE OPEN with their progress and you can actually see the opinions of major news outlets on the game already, while Mighty No 9 kept everyone in the dark until the game released a piece of garbage. The fact that Jon Whatshisface is or isn't in the project doesn't make the game any better.

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CelticAdobo [2017-03-31 17:15:31 +0000 UTC]

Kind of wish Playtonic did some digging around before making their decision on the matter.  Destiny, the person who debated Jon, is well know for his under handed tactics and most of his "debates" go on until the other person says what Destiny wants to hear, which usually ends up with "Look at this racist!"

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SovietMarmalade [2017-03-31 14:04:49 +0000 UTC]

Gonna wait for this to show up on KYM's trending images lol

Though, I personally think that Yooka-Laylee won't become the disappointment Mighty. No. 9 is despite all of the negativity surrounding it.
I love Jontron and it's unfortunate to hear Playtonic kick him out off one of his favorite game's spiritual successor for such a petty reason but I believe it's not a problem people should get so riled up about.
However refusing to do refunds is just absolutely bullcrap on their part.

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NeoChandler [2017-03-31 13:28:22 +0000 UTC]

Zeusdammit, social justice!

Zeusdammit, nostalgia Kickstarter game fiascos!

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