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Damn effin' straight.Godzilla and Zilla (C) Toho Co. Ltd.
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Twice, actually. In the IDW series, "Godzilla: Rulers Of Earth", first volume, Godzilla's first foe is Zilla. Godzilla let Zilla go as he got distracted by the military's attacks, but had the fight continued, he would have won.
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The answer is simple - A mutant tuna eating Iguana Vs. A mutant Radioactiove Eating Monster That is nearly invincible to everything (even missles *cough* Zilla killed by those), and Shoots ATOMIC BREATH from its mouth. I think its a No brainer who wins.
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He also survived black holes, volcanoes, a fall from space, and many other events.
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That blackhole incident was odd to me - they missed the shot, and the blackhole didn't even seem to harm anything. I mean, the ground has seen better days but there are insects just relaxing on rocks and such - I think the blackhole collapsed before it did any real damage due to its size, as blackholes need to be pretty large to be stable enough to effectively devour everything.
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I love Godzilla, he is the King
but i dont know why so many people hate Zilla???
the movie and the Serien are very very good
Why must be the rivality everywhere
Why cant they be friends?!
And i think Godzilla is stronger than Zilla, BUT Zilla is a lot faster than Godzilla!
So i hope everyone except my opionion, when not... shit on it
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Zilla is a mockery of the 1998 Godzilla which you speak of.
1998 Godzilla is a curious fellow with a debatable gender...
-Everyone refers to the kaiju with male pronouns.
-"He" layed eggs.
-Movie commentary states that female genitalia were sculpted onto the creature's CG model (good luck getting a good view of it).
I thought the 1998 Godzilla was simply an asexual being (probably a hermaphrodite or genderless), but the fact that the commentary stated that FEMALE(and not simply "Genitalia" or something similar) genitalia is on the model makes the 1998 Godzilla either a female disguised as a male (after all, all incarnations of Godzilla are male), or a hermaphrodite - either solution would allow asexual reproduction as well (females of some species will lay unfertilized eggs when there are no breeding partners arLund, of course for most the newly-hatched male has a surprisingly short lifespan of probably a day or so).
Regardless, I think both could be friends (Godzilla is not above having allies, one of which is regarded as his best friend) once the whole "1998 Godzilla / Zilla vs [Japanese] Godzilla" dies down.
Of course, given how the 1998 Godzilla disgraced the whole Godzilla franchise (according to almost every person who knows of the two), it probably won't... ...1998 Godzilla was also disgraced by the larger, more aggressive, and braindead "Zilla" that replaced it, so I guess an eye-for-an-eye...
EDIT: I'm still unsure how an iguana mutated by radiation, grew into a giant spiny dromaeosaurid... Would've made more sense if it stayed quadrapedal, but "eh"...
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It's where Zilla is attached to the Godzilla universe. I mean let's be honest- "Zilla" (I so wish they had given him another name) is not Godzilla. He'll never be Godzilla but a certain number of fans refuse to accept that Zilla's design is not considered by Toho to be Godzilla and Toho's word on their properties is law.
Had Zilla been given another name and maybe a few changes then the backlash wouldn't have happened and he wouldn't be blacklisted. What's happened to him is pretty much the same thing as an actor who's been blacklisted.
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Indeed it will. For the both of them.
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Total beat down on the faker (G.I.N.O.) XD
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Zilla died in 15 seconds when fighting Godzilla
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I think that's actually Zilla Jr in the picture. Zilla was a wimp. Zilla Jr was a good Kaiju on his own. Granted his legacy doesn't hold up to Godzilla's. But on his own he's bested several Kaiju with only one he's met matching his strength and that Giant Mosquito could best two Kaiju at the same time.
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"Zilla was a wimp" three things:
-1 I would've ran if a swarm of bees/wasps/insects-in-general attacked me.
-2 Zilla was not a wimp - he immediately attacked Godzilla and got himself killed over it. What Zilla is, is an idiot.
-3 The 1998 Godzilla has survival in mind, so if a bunch of strange new creatures it had never meant before started lobbing needles and explosives at it, I'm pretty sure it would've been startled and fled (like any animal would - you can scare/drive off a lion or most other predators by acting intimidating or throwing objects at it, even though they could end your life with ease and you would not be able to defend yourself adequately).
"Zilla" only really refers to the Final Wars (and any other incarnation afterwards) mockery of the 1998 Godzilla that was larger, blinded by aggression (and not overly-cautious like the "wimp" 1998 Godzilla), and worst of all had 0-brainpower.
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Yet Final Wars never paid attention to the series. That could still be the same Zilla that attacked New York
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I think that the one from Final Wars was the one that attacked New York. I can't remember the series too clearly but I think I remember seeing Zilla Jr. getting hit by similar laser beams before. I think possibly even his own Atomic Breath during the Giant Mosquito incident.
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Yeah, but the Zilla in Final Wars never used his fire breath and that is different to Godzilla's
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They still describe it as Atomic Breath if I remember correctly. But then again the Atomic Breath has never really stayed the same over the years, sometimes it's fire, and sometimes it's a laser beam. But yeah, not to mention Zilla Jr. has proven to actually have tactical smarts that can be overridden by anger. But I doubt Zilla Jr. would've gotten that made that fast to make such a stupid mistake.
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he was blown up in less than ten seconds!
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That was Zilla. Definitely not Zilla Jr.
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Zilla Jr. shows a variety of powers and skills that set him apart from his monster enemies. He is generally regarded as the strongest mutation on Earth with the show's continuity.
- Zilla Junior has green Atomic Breath.
- Zilla Junior has displayed great durability.
- Zilla Junior has regenerative abilities.
- Zilla Junior has extraordinary jumping abilities and is extremely agile.
- Zilla Junior is an excellent swimmer.
- Zilla Junior can burrow underground to hide or find something.
- Zilla Junior has displayed semi-sapient intelligence.
Zilla Jr.'s signature weapon is his green atomic breath; something his father lacked. The atomic breath has a long range and is extremely hot, capable of melting steel and turning sand into glass.
Durability:Another ability that sets Zilla Junior apart from Zilla is his ability to take high levels of damage. Whereas his father was killed by a small amount of missiles, Junior is shown taking large amounts of heavy artillery with no harm, much like the original Japanese Godzilla .
In relation to his durability is his enhanced regeneration, which allows Junior to recover from injuries and regain his strength quickly.
Physical Abilities:Zilla Jr. has shown to have a large number of physical abilities. He often overpowers other mutations with sheer brute strength. His claws are extremely sharp and are capable of shredding steel. Junior's tail is also an incredibly powerful weapon as well, and can be used to crush and strike his opponents.
Zilla Junior is also incredibly fast and nimble, moving incredibly quickly from one location to another. Additionally, he is an extraordinary burrower, as moments after hatching he could quickly burrow through many yards of concrete to escape the ruins of Madison Square Garden. Once fully grown, Zilla Junior could tunnel incredibly large distances in extremely short periods of time, sometimes appearing on the battle field from underground.
Amphibiousness:Zilla Jr. spends most of his time in the water, and is a natural swimmer and is able to breath under water, once resting unconscious underwater for an extended period of time while sick.
Intelligence:Zilla Jr. is shown to be very intelligent. He has shown planning tactics in battle and the ability to make moral decisions. He is also shown to have a large brain for his body size, a trait very unique among reptiles in general. As the series progressed, Nick noted Junior seemed to get more intelligent.
Weaknesses:Zilla Jr. is generally considered to be the most powerful mutation in Godzilla: The Series, though he still has a number of exploitable weaknesses.
Poison has be been shown to damage Zilla Junior than most types of attacks. He is also vulnerable to dehydration, having almost died due to it when fighting the monster Medusa .
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Hehe I know where that came from. Straight off the wikia. Thanks for the specifics.
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The only footage of Godzilla vs Zilla and you think the iguana can have a chance against The God of Destruction?
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*facepalm* Like I said. Zilla doesn't stand a chance. But Zilla Jr. does.
Zilla Jr. is a well qualified Kaiju on his own, he's no Godzilla granted but he's still pretty damn good. He's a lot more durable than his father, even taking atomic breath and surviving unlike that video. He's also survived even more artillery than Zilla did and was only wounded. Not crippled, but it still left a scratch. In strength he's only met his match once against a Giant Mosquito and that Mosquito had bested two other Kaiju in strength at the same time.
However the biggest difference is that Zilla Jr. is actually smarter than Zilla was. He only charges at something if it's smaller or as big as him (which Godzilla is bigger). When he knows he can be bested, he actually comes up with tactics. The only time he charges blindly into things is when he's enraged. He also knows when to run. He's also a really fast swimmer as he was formerly a Marine Iguana. All he has to do is get into the water while injured and he's home free.
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Yet Godzilla is a good swimmer, and Zilla Jr had help from Nick
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Actually I deny what I said previously. If I remember correctly Zilla Jr. had actually been swimming naturally from the start. Even staying underwater because he can breathe in it.
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Godzilla kept up with a ship for most of Final Wars and nuked every monster he came across, including Kamacuras, Kamonga and even rodan King Cecar and Anguirus all at once! Gigan had his head blown off!
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Alright, he beat them all. However I noticed that a couple of them. Rodan, Anguirus, and King Cecar in particular were left, un-nuked. What type of ship are we talking here? Because in my other comment that I'm only denying that he never knew how to swim. The other things, including swimming around the world in a couple of hours still being relevant.
Also I'm noticing a severe ownage of King Ghidorah and Gigan and several other monsters. Monsters that have given him trouble before. Now he's fighting them and winning on his own? I'm calling inconsistencies on that. If Godzilla could have killed King Ghidorah that easily, then why didn't he do it before? I know that he's beaten King Ghidorah several times. But most of the time, he actually lives to see another day. Several times, Godzilla needs help to defeat him. One of the few (if not the only) times that he fought King Ghidorah alone he's only won because of something going wrong for King Ghidorah.
Also Gigan did survive his decapitation... because of... Cyborg reasons. Idk, I'm not the maker of the film.
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Yet Zilla was taken down by JETS!
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That was ZILLA we're not talking about Zilla. We're talking about his son Zilla Jr. who has taken far worse punishment than his father could. Please stay on the subject. Not Zilla, but his son Zilla Jr.
Besides I'm not saying that he could beat Godzilla, to be honest. Any other Kaiju could kill Godzilla. The probabilities of this happening might be minimal but they are still there. I'm just trying to say that Zilla Jr. could actually be an actual opponent against Godzilla.
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Not in my eyes
-smaller
-weaker
-relies on humans
-can be overpowered BY humans
There is a reason why he's Zilla, because he is no match for a god
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still better than the parent in every conceivable way
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Tougher faster smarter more abilities and as far as I'm concerned capable of earning Godzillas respect
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All of the ways zilla Jr. Is better than his parent
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He wasn't a parent once
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The original zilla was the parent
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And did jack all. At Least Godzilla had time with his sons. All three of them
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yeah because zilla thought all of its offspring were dead but in monster wars jr and cyber were reunited
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And was under alien control and attacked his kid when he switched sides. Godzilla on the other hand actually was a dad
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lets just agree to disagree and go our seperatee ways
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K we obviously can't convince each other about our arguments
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I have seen Godzilla be a dad
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I was just saying let's go our separate ways and stop arguing k we have two different options
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Alright I'll be addressing this in the order that you listed them in.
- We both know for a fact that size is negligible, so long as they are at least 3/4 the size of a Skyscraper the size is negligible. Zilla Jr. is a bit below that size unless he brings his head upwards as of which he meets the mark, length wise, he most definitely works.
- Weaker? Did you completely and utterly dismiss the FACT that he is strong, even for a Kaiju? He's one of the strongest Kaiju in the western hemisphere, whether or not Godzilla can dismiss his strength is debatable. But either way, it won't be easily dismissed.
- Relies on Humans... you know what sounds wrong to me about that? Is the fact that he barely relies on them and that GODZILLA HAS RELIED ON HUMANS BEFORE AS WELL! So let's go in chronological order of how much the humans have helped Godzilla.
1)They broke him free of the Xilien Mind Control
2)Hedorah was dehydrated by man made electrodes so that Godzilla could kill it after getting his hand nearly melted off.
3)Jet Jaguar helped Godzilla defeat Gigan and Megalon. He was man-made. Though this one can be dismissed as Jet Jaguar went to Godzilla.
4)Space Godzilla would've killed Godzilla if it weren't for the help of M.O.G.U.E.R.A. a man made robot.
5)Godzilla required help from the military to kill Destoroyah and even then he still died.
6)While technically not part of the category, Godzilla gets help from another Kaiju almost every other movie!
These are points for Zilla Jr. hence the (-) signs.
-1)The H.E.A.T. team next to never helps him out in a fight. At most they give him a target or cure his poison. Along with keeping the military from launching a full on assault on him.
-2)Zilla Jr. has actually repelled weapons made specifically to combat him several times. Godzilla has been overpowered by humans before. Remember the Oxygen Destroyer and Super Mecha Godzilla who destroyed Godzilla's second brain?
-3)Weaker is a relatively invalid term as he's fairly strong for a Kaiju almost abnormally seeing as he's overpowered Kaiju just by sheer strength.
-4)I remember specifically telling you this, His size is relatively negligible. Heck it actually helps him be even more agile than most Kaiju. So that's a strength, not a weakness. Besides, there's always the tale of Dave and Goliath.
Now on a final note. I'm not saying that Zilla Jr. can definitely beat Godzilla. I'm saying that he's at least able to do battle with him that would actually be a battle. Heck the odds are definitely stacked in Godzilla's favor at about a 90/10 ratio. But if anything, Godzilla is not a literal God. Except the GMK one but he was an amalgam of the tormented souls from World War II. But he was only immortal and at the end he had no body except for his still beating heart. But in most of the Godzilla movies, he gets wounded or nearly killed. In a few he does die.
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· Height and length don’t balance out size, he is still smaller
· Not many giant monsters attack the western hemisphere, only the ones in the animated series. The likes of Orga and Jet Jaguar have been in only Japan.
· That was on rare occasion. And even so your points aren’t really valid
A. He was never under control from the Xiliens. He was trapped under the ice of Antarctica and had no M-Base in his DNA
B. That was back when Godzilla was more for kids, so I'm not sure to count it
C. Jet Jaguar doesn’t count since he wasn’t a piloted robot
D. I'm pretty sure M.O.G.U.E.R.A. got his rear kicked in the process
E. Both Godzillas in that movie were either dead or incapacitated and the term “required” would indicate that he would want it. Plus he died because he was melting down, not because of Destroyah
F. Rarely speaking. I count 21 times in 28 movies where he fought along side another monster
1) Which means if Zilla gets in trouble and needs HEAT, they run risk of being blasted to bits faster than NIGEL does
2) That was like 3 times and from what the movies have taught me, it would be (in that order) :didn’t stop Godzilla/made another monster, and they never exploited that weakness again
3) None of them was Godzilla sized.
4) As I said: Height and length don’t balance out size, he is still smaller
He doesn’t die or get fatally that often. He’s mostly repelled or just gets bored. I used the term “god” just to emphisise his power. And 90/10 is just 9/1 and Zilla's chances aren't even that good
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Alright. I'm not asking for much. I know that he's smaller. I know that Zilla sucks. All that I've been trying to do is 2 things, one of which you actually kind of irked me into.
1) Zilla Jr. stands a far better chance of fighting Godzilla than his father did. I'm not saying he would win. Just make a better fight than Zilla did.
2) This one I kind of took up because of how high of a pedestal you were putting him on. Godzilla is not a God but as you said, you only used it for emphasis. That doesn't change how you were looking at it. You made it sound like Godzilla could kill Zilla Jr. by stepping on him or merely gazing in his direction. Which he can't... except possibly the stepping one, but that probably wouldn't happen in a fight.
That's all that I was trying to point out. I was just trying to give Zilla Jr. the props he deserves, and try to bring Godzilla down to his actual size. Although on a side note. It's been a long time since I've seen the Godzilla Movies so I used a wikia and a friend who's a Godzilla enthusiast. Even my friend agreed. You were putting him on too high of a pedestal and not giving credit where it was due.
Can we end this here in a more civilized manner then? Yes I realize some of my points have been invalidated. Yes I feel like some of my points are being nulled for next to no reason. But I've gotten into these discussions before and they have next to no end. So... can you at least say that Zilla Jr. is a good Kaiju in his own right, but he's no Godzilla I know that already. I'm not gonna ask whether or not you'll change your opinion on Godzilla though.
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I will agree that Zilla jr does stand a better chance, he is more cautious and does have a ranged weapon.
Its hard to not see him that high when he takes down 12 monsters in the same movie (three at once), and has the nicknames "God of Destruction" and "King of Monsters". Even his impending death could've ended us all because he was melting down
I didn't say Godzilla would kill by staring, but the closest possible way it would happen for that to happen is if he blasts him to bits afterwards
I will agree to disagree and would say Zilla would be in my top 10, an honourable mention if he wasn't part of my childhood... only if you hate Gamera!
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