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Sometimes I wonder, If God really and truly wants to defeat Satan, which almost everyone agrees that he does, why doesn't God just snap his fingers and make Satan not exist? It'd be the simplest freaking thing to do. And no more Satan means no more corrupted humans. Methinks God's in need of the Staples Button.Related content
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You mean there would be too much good?
Like, heaven, which is supposed to be entirely 100% good? Is heaven out of balance?
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For the same reason a parent doesn't just kill their rebellious child.
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And do not you think about such a situation that a rebellious child is right, and the parent is wrong?
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not relevant to the point I was making. Β I was not discussing which side is right, but merely why the one doesn't just poof away the other
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Yet, does that not simultaneously prove and then disprove God's omnibenevolence? The irony of it. This being through God's own actions(of granting free will to people and the conditions for Lucifer to rebel) has created the ideal situation for Satan/Lucifer to spread evil for temptation. For even if all these bad things happening currently and in the past around are caused by humans, are they not indirectly the consequence of the granting of free will, the eating of the apple that God created, and the turning of one of God's angels into the devil? Or let's say on the other hand, turning a blind eye to the suffering most of the time. Even if(according to you)that Hell isn't an eternity, the notion of fiery long term(non specific but eternity sounds quite relatively long even if interpeted to be finite) punishment beyond the worse humans have yet to conduct for finite, sometimes petty, crimes...contradict this God being omnibenevolent? Then so, Epirus' age old argument still holds ground.
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an entity with no free will is literally just a puppet that only moves when God pulls the strings. a world inhabited by such bengs would hardly be worth creating in the first place, no?
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Theoretically, yes, but you haven't addressed the actual gist of my argument, that God's actions have proven otherwise than being omnibenevolent....rather taking a third point view and merely watching for most of the time, inaction so to say.
Using the notion of free will to justify this entity's inaction most of the time still does not disprove that inaction showing other than omnibenevolence. Benevolent? Debatable. All-loving? Ludicrous. Having infinite love would override inaction, and even infinite knowledge that may counteract against it, because if it doesn't....paradoxically that isn't infinite love. Yet if we were to suppose taking into account these 2, it would certainly be a dilemma even for God.
Through causality, God has caused the creation and spread of evil. If you want a more direct example, God's actions of floods and commands of killings/attacks have directly killed more than Satan has. In fact, the Noah Ark story itself, well well.....all living things on the planet save for two each pair(which would also mean incest)? That is a near planetary scale genocide.
Willing to wipe off almost all of the planet save for microscopic organisms that can survive in water, yet unable to destroy the root of evil and/or watch by humanity wrecking itself most of the time. Certainly a very big double standard.
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the way I see it, it's like running a simulator; interfering too often would kinda defeat the purpose.
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Except that a rebellious child and 'the source of all darkness and evil' aren't really the same thing, or even similar, now are they?
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They are to God. Lucifer and his Demons were angels who rebelled out of blinding arrogance. God created the angels just like he did humans, So God views them as his children too. That's what Satan basically is: a disrespectful little brat of a child who thinks he can live forever (or in this case, fight an omnipotent and omniscient being).All of history is basically him throwing the biggest tantrum in, um, eternity. God loves Lucifer and the demons just like he does us; the problem is that they won't repent.
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Blinding arrogance which God endowed them with. Unless you're suggesting that a perfect being would purposely create an imperfect one and then punish it for being imperfect.
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Originally Lucifer was as pure and righteous as any finite being ever was, but when he was told that he ad to be subservient to being created after him,, he went "F**k you, I'm out!" The problem lies in what kind of personality lucifer had. My hypothesis is that Rather than giving them a pre-set personality, God allows spirits to choose their personalit when they are created based on,say, God's purpose for them, and those who become souls forget everything (but still maintain their chosen personality) upon entering their fetus. In my hypothesis, Lucifer wa told that he was to be the prince of the angels on our planet (That's another story), so he decided to choose a personality that would allow him to enjoy his God-given duty as much as possible, one of extreme self love that looked down on all that it was superior to and loved it. Loved it so much that when he was told that there were new beings he had to be subservient to, he refused to accept it and turned his back on God completely.
But remember, this is all my own hypothesis, and I submit it completely to the scrutiny of wiser minds.
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So this is just a hypothesis on your own part. Okay, that's fine then. I thought you were stating matter-of-factly that this is how it happened (because I've met people like that and it's just maddening.).
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The part about Spirits choosing their own personalities is my hypothesis, the rest is how I've always been taught it happened.
But I'm sure the real wisdom-of-the-world theologians like Jurgen Moltmann or Molly Marshall (who just so happened to be my dad's professor) have come up with much better explanations.
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I remember asking way back in Sunday School "Why doesn't God just kill Satan?" and I was told "Oh, he will someday." I should've gone one step further like Bill Maher did in Religulous and asked "What's keeping him?"
Then again, I'm just a girl and supposed to learn in silence.
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Satan seems better than god. Satan only killed 9 people in the Bible and that's because god forced him too. God killed the entire population of Earth at least twice.Β
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Seriously.
BTW, do you like Disney? Because the dickweed known as LordElthibar has written some really atrocious fan fics involving the casts of Brave, Tangled and Frozen.Β
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Yeah, I love Disney. I also like reading at bad fanfiction. Link me and I'll have a looksie.Β
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Well, here's where his self-insert starts his blazing romance with Merida
lordelthibar.deviantart.com/arβ¦
Oh, but before he met her, he had a brief romance with Elsa
lordelthibar.deviantart.com/arβ¦
There's more. Poorly written, canon ignored, but mercifully short.
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*while you were gone.*
While she's getting me those links to what she wants me to read let me type this Elizbathar into DA and see what comes up.
>Does search
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>Is seeing his shit
MY EYES!!!
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Seriously. he thinks he's an artistic genius, but it looks like something a 6 year old did with Crayola. Even ChrisChan somehow managed to make his scribbles look like they had some personality. (Not saying good personality, mind you.)
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I'm surprised this lolcow has not become internet famous.Β
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What's funny is, he loves Disney/Pixar, but doesn't seem to realize they're pretty gay friendly. The Lion King featured at least two gay entertainers. The Little Mermaid couldn't have been made without the influence of two gay men, a transvestite and a lesbian. The voice actress for Elsa played a lesbian in Rent. A whole bunch of Pixar animators took part in the "It Gets Better" project, some telling their own coming out stories. He praises Billy Connolly for criticizing Catholicism, not realizing he often criticizes religion in general. For example:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cfWRQβ¦
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I've seen his shitty avatar around since he comments frequently but I never knew how retarded he was. He could be the Chris-Chan of Christians.
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Chris-Chan is Christian too. Just not as strict as he claims to be.Β
Check out the Christmas special!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR8rCBβ¦
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All the horrors of the world combined to make this monstrosity.Β
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I'm listening to another Let's Read of one of those comics. It's clear Chris was doing this to deal with things in his real life that he doesn't like. There's a reason I don't do self-inserts myself.Β
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Self-inserts can be good if done properly. I saw a good deconstruction of one of what would happen if a fan was sent into a genre they were genre-saavy in. The problem is when self-inserts turn into wish fulfillment. Case in point Elithbar who actually appeared up top in the comments section here.
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I'm waiting for him to come up with Elsida, a combo of Elsa and Merida.
Go, Elsida! Freeze to the extreme!
I will! Thank you father!
I don't think I'd be very interesting to read about. I'm too sarcastic and ugly. And not really interested in doing anything that requires getting up. I have read a few self inserts that weren't too bad. Usually only if the self insert is just a side character and the main characters are allowed to do their thing.Β
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GivenΒ Elithbar's distaste for homosexuality if that became a thing Β (Elsida) he would flip his ever loving shit. The butthurt itself would be lulzy to watch.Β
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LOL! It would! I'd love to see his reaction to Pixar's "It Gets Better" video. I heard some Christians tried to boycott Disney over their audacity to treat gays like human beings, but Disney was all "Sorry, can't hear you over all this money we're making!" I know a lot of Mermaid fans don't like being told how many gay people were involved with it. (Andersen himself wrote it while pining over a man he loved and could never have.)
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I can probably guess. I was on the BLzae. I loathe and hate Glenn Beck and his neo-conservative pawns and I mostly just read it for lulz and to see the bat-shit Christian comments. One of their articles was by a dude named Matt Walsh who made it sound like the American gov is treating Christians like Hitler treated the Jews. He proclaimed that they were coming after the Churches and that the Christian persecution was near. What he was talking about was that the state of Georgia was going to pass a bill which would make it legal for theists to discriminate patrons of their company based on religion. It wasn't just the gay wedding cake but any Christian or even Jew or Muslim even could bar someone from their store if the owner used their religion as an excuse. The senator from Georgia struck it down as being discriminatory and unconstitutional. Disney, Pepsi, Coca-Cola and even Warner Bros joined in with giving their support for the senator opposing the Bill and threatened to remove all their products and movies from the state if it went through.Β
The rage from the Christians was glorious. With them threatening to boycott Disney and that they would never see another Marvel film ever again and how da gays were taking over da world. That's an interesting fact about Andersen. Never knew that. Also Elithbar does in fact have an ED page I learned.
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I worked in a book store. Had a customer say "I looked all over the G section and couldn't find anything by Glenn Beck!"Β
I notice it's funny that churches love to threaten boycott, but anyone else who wants to boycott is unfair. ???? I also find it odd that Christians love to cry about how persecuted they are, when they're just not being allowed to persecute others. Talk about martyr complexes.Β
ED page?Β
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You should have told him that the store doesn't carry books for children. Β
Churches love to play the victim card. They'll claim that having to bake weeding cakes for gays or having to serve gays is an attack on their faith and forcing liberal views on them but will then turn around and claim they should have prayer in school eventhough that's a public institution.Β
ED is like wikipedia only run by 4chan and 8chan. Basically its a wikipedia for trolls. Admittedly I am an editor there. Its dedicated to citing drama on the internet. This is where Chris-Chan got famous as this site cataloged all his exploits. Basically you usually have to be Chris-chan levels to get on that site.Β Elithbar got his own article. Not by me but I was thinking of making one for him if there wasn't.
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LOL! Considering we had a large aisle just for children's book complete with a toy train set, couldn't really say that.
I recently took a job designing stationary. My client wanted a design with a cross and a sunrise. I didn't bitch. I just created a stationary design with a cross and a sunrise pattern and collected my $300. Didn't hurt me. Didn't make me feel like I betrayed my atheist views. So bake the damn cake already!
Oh! Encyclopedia Dramatica! I don't see it abbreviated a lot. Have you checked out CWCki? It's a wikipedia about all things Chris-Chan. They have an April Fools main page today. I'll let you see it for yourself.Β sonichu.com/cwcki I also listened to a Let's Read of his final issue. It comes off as a dark parody of his usual writing. Like he's saying "OK! Fine! It sucks! So I'll kill everyone! Happy?"Β
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I never did like the excuse they gave to the gay cakes. I mean our society would collapse if you did not do your goddamn job. Imagine if people just stopped doing their jobs based on asinine beliefs. Like you were at McDonalds and the cashier refused to hand you your milkshake because they're lactose intolerant and milk offends them? Its like the one Muslim who got a job at a Delhi but he didn't want to touch pork and tried to sue for religious discrimination. I mean how dense can you be motherfucker. You choose that job. Just do it. Its the same way with the gay cakes. Gay bakers make straight cakes because its their job. They choose to have a bakery. Its the same for you. That and its still implied bigotry since they claim they don;t even want to cater at these event or be associated with it.Β
The Chris-Chan wiki is gold. I think Chris is trying to do his best to hide from his critics recently and has tried to go ghost.Β
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Yeah, I heard about that. They gave him a job collecting carts and he still wasn't happy. It's like, when I was working at a bookstore, I had abdominal surgery and my doctor put a limit on how much I could lift. My boss put me on stuffed toys because they weigh less than books. (They still have to be organized, though.) That made everyone happy. The Muslim in question just wanted to make trouble and maybe get some easy money by suing.Β
Yeah, that guy's a legend.
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if wouldΒ΄ve done that, then the other angels wouldnΒ΄t be serving god in honour, then they would be afraid of him and he didnΒ΄t want this.
god is not that tyrannic, he wanted to give EVERYONE a chance to be in the game, it was to show the other angels "even if you disagree with me, iΒ΄m not erasing you, but you have to carry the responsibility of your actions"
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Job 28:28
And he said to man, βBehold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.ββ
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If there is no more evil, how would we know who or what is good?Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β Β
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the devil is not god's enemy he's god garbage man
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Meaning that despite the fact that he spends much of his time in a dump, you really need him and have a sort of grudging friendship?
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No, it's because like how you take out the trash, the customer ( God, according to good ol' Bibley's Believe It Or Not, anyways) just shovels all the shit (atheists) he doesn't want into a bin and lets the garbage man (Satan) dump them into the trash pit (either Hell or Gehenna, they were never very clear on that part).
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Can God tell you whether the color yellow is square or round? Can he tell you how many hours are in a mile? Can he give a creature free will and simultaneously withhold free will from it? Β No. His omnipotence means the power to do all that is intrinsically possible. not that which is intrinsically impossible. If you were to say that God could do one of these things You would not have succeeded in saying anything about God. Meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly gain meaning when we prefix to them the two other words "God can". All things are possible with God, but impossibilities are not things but nonentities. God can no more carry out two mutually exclusive alternatives than the weakest of his creatures. Not because his omnipotence encounters a barrier, but because nonsense remains nonsense even when we talk about God.
A passage from C.S. Lewis' The problem of pain, barely paraphrased, so I'm probably going to be arrested for plagiarism.
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The god cannot tell you anything, because he does not exist.
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that's the very thing you're supposed to be trying to prove
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It seems a fair amount of logic has been mixed into this answer, yet it also seems to contain something strange in between the lines. I'm not immediately sure what, but I feel I must read over this a couple more times. Until then, please know that the argument you have brought forward has caused me to think a great deal on the matter.
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Wonderful! C.S. Lewis has that effect on everyone who reads his work. If you were to ask me if he had any astoundingly good arguments, I would respond with "Pick any chapter from any book and you'll find three." Any other christian will give a similar opinion. He's actually so influential that his books are the topics of other books.Β You've heard of The Chronicles of Narnia? That was him. He was also, I kid you not, Best friends to J. R.R. Tolkien.
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I see. Well, after reading your last comment about eight more times (and talking about this topic offline with others) I have come to this conclusion: "Christianity is (in one way or another) confusing." I only say this because like most religions, It gives others a sense of hope for something better. But it also includes stuff that , In hindsight, most of the things God does seem to be too complex for it to work out well for anyone else. Take the picture above for example. If god really needed to get rid of Satan, he could've easily poofed him away and be done with it. Someone would obviously ask, "But then where would all the sinners go?" To which I would normally go, " Nowhere. They would rot in the dirt trapped inside their own mind, An even more hellish place to go.". I would type more, But now it must sound like I'm rambling.
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