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Published: 2011-06-02 00:16:32 +0000 UTC; Views: 7638; Favourites: 100; Downloads: 46
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Sometimes I wonder, If God really and truly wants to defeat Satan, which almost everyone agrees that he does, why doesn't God just snap his fingers and make Satan not exist? It'd be the simplest freaking thing to do. And no more Satan means no more corrupted humans. Methinks God's in need of the Staples Button.Related content
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Huh? Satan didn't create hell, God created it to basically act as a smelter for our souls. Devil goes in, stubborn-ass demon eventually learns lesson, angel comes out. It doesn't really last for eternity, In refference to hell the word for "all of time" is always used. They, had two words "Kronos" meaning "all of time and "kairos" (I have no idea if that's how it's spelled) which means eternity. The bible says that time will come to an end. For more info, look up the theologian Jurgen Moltmann.
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MY MIND:
THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION
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I always wandered why God has to make a new Heaven. (It talks about a new Heaven in Revelations.) If Heaven is perfect, why need a new one? Also, the Bible says you can't sin in Heaven......well....in the very beginning, Satan (aka, Lucifer), sinned in heaven. Satan was jealous of God. How can you be jealous of someone when Heaven is supposed to be the happiest place ever?
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Crap. I need Class-J Personel, We have another mind blown.
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Just stumbled across this quite by accident...
Funny and true...
All should stop and think on this
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then, what would be the point of anything???
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what would be the point of life? love? Existence? Heaven? Hell? Free will?? Lutherans? atheists???
If we don't struggle toward a goal, we turn out like a Spoiled fat rich 33yr-old who throws a tantrum every time his hourly Belgium-chocolate chip cookie is late or missing a piece of chocolate.
you forget, in the beginning, we were originally without sin. this current world is a result of us coming into the world as sinners. we will eventually(from our perspective
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The meaning of life is to give it meaning. You're on your own from here, my son.
-with love from an Agnostic
PS. everything else you just said was pretty fucking retarded.
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"So you're saying that without a malevolent mythological figure tempting us to commit evil, then existence itself is pointless, along with the mythology itself"---No. Just that if GOD solved all our problems for us, there would be nothing to strive for, no goals to accomplish, & and no point to Heaven.
Ps. I generally think the same thing whenever an atheist bashes religion in general-(mine in particular)- & then claims that because they're an atheist, they're somehow exempt from being included in that simply because they identify as atheist.----that said, either you're just trolling or you haven't actually considered what I commented.
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I'm a philosopher, the things you say are like a child's thoughts to me. Read existentialism and get out of my hair you benighted Christian.
-with love from an Agnostic
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PSS. I find it funny that you have all those "sexy" ladies in your favour folder, don't you know that is a sin against your God? I'll see you in Hell <3
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So you're saying that without a malevolent mythological figure tempting us to commit evil, then existence itself is pointless, along with the mythology itself.
That's..a rather depressing outlook on life. I don't need some supernatural villain or deity giving me purpose by declaration to find my own purpose in life. No one does.
And no, I don't 'forget the origin of sin'. I was a Christian once. I have read the Bible, along with other mythologies. Norse and Egyptian are my favorites. And sin does not exist. Not as an observable 'force', anyway. There is good, and there is evil, but not as actual tangible THINGS. They are abstract concepts, descriptions that we humans ascribe to actions we see in the world. Unfortunately, morality is, in my opinion, subjective (although not as much as others might say it is.) 'Good' is how we describe actions that benefit the society we live in. And 'evil' is how we describe actions that are detrimental to the society we live in.
It's not a perfect system, but only because people are not perfect. But that's only because 'perfect' isn't something that really meshes with nature, because it suggests an objective GOAL, which existence itself (as a state of being) does not have. The concept of perfection is also entirely dependent on the person perceiving it, as what one person considers perfect another may consider abhorrent.
For instance, depending on which version is presented, I consider Christian morality to be abhorrent. Believing someone exists is not cause for that person to 'forgive' you. And 'forgiving you' is not the jurisdiction of a third party. The only person who can forgive you, by definition, is the person who was wronged. Granted, this can vary depending on the crime, but it is not the place of a judge to 'forgive' the offender. And ANY judge worth the seat he sits in would not forgive heinous crimes (and I mean ACTUAL crimes. Not abstract concepts like lust or pride, or harmless trespasses EVERYONE is guilty of) if the defendant swore allegiance to him. That would be a corrupt judge.
Again, this is only a particular variety of Christian morality that I despise (the ones where 'Faith' is the only requirement, and no amount of being a good person matters), and I don't know which version you belong to. So I apologize if I offend.
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"So you're saying that without a malevolent mythological figure tempting us to commit evil, then existence itself is pointless, along with the mythology itself"---No. Just that if GOD solved all our problems for us, there would be nothing to strive for, no goals to accomplish, & and no point to Heaven.
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Ii remember reading this bible, it said that Satan is a very VERY handsome angel that defined god.
but idk...
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True. The Biblical description of him doesn't have horns, but looks like a seraphim. The point was that God could get rid of him any time he wanted, but for some reason, doesn't.
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Because you can't uncreate something, God can't do everything
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I think you made a typo, so let me fix that for you "God can't do anything" there you go and better luck next time <3
-with love from an Agnostic
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Way to enforce the stereotype that people without religions are smug bigots
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Oh, I can almost feel the amount of butthurt <3 but hey, it's not my fault that your God is weak and cowardly (not to mention very ignorant, he doesn't even know Earth is round, how sad is that? very sad, that's how!).
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Then he is not omnipotent.
I'm just sayin', if my first creation was making life miserable for my other creations (who I favored), I'd get rid of the first one.
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Personally, I have no problem believing in a God who s not omnipotent. Creating the world and caring about us is good enough for me.
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Then we can agree that the Bible is a lie? Because it states God is omnipotent, which God apparently isn't.
-with love from an Agnostic
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The Bible was written by human being, human beings are not infallible. Yes I believe the Bible does contain some falsehoods, (I don't believe, for example, that all of humanity is descended from two people) but I'm not sure whether the omnipotents of God is one of them. It's not a question I've given that much thought to because it really doesn't bother me that much, compared to some others.
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Which makes the Bible useless, because you have no idea which parts are the word of God and which aren't, not to mention the fact that all the text inside the book could have been falsely understand by the many authors who wrote it.
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It's true, every Christian I know has a different interpretation. My own is that the teachings of Jesus are the ultimate moral guide, the wrest of it I take with a pinch of salt.
Ultimately the reason I call myself Christian is that, having read what Jesus said about loving ones enemies, loving one-another, giving to the poor and many other instructions, are a good ethical guide by which to live one's life. If there is a God and I happen to go to heaven for that, I will consider it a bonus, my main reward is simply knowing I lived a morally sound life. This is my own personal philosophy, I would never try and force it on to anybody else.
Also; I think you mean "understood" not "understand."
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"It's true, every Christian I know has a different interpretation"
You don't say...
"My own is that the teachings of Jesus are the ultimate moral guide, the wrest of it I take with a pinch of salt"
well, there is a 100% of you being wrong and will go to Hell then.
"Ultimately the reason I call myself Christian is that, having read what Jesus said about loving ones enemies, loving one-another, giving to the poor and many other instructions, are a good ethical guide by which to live one's life"
and then skips all the rape, murder, genocide, slavery etc. how very Christian of you. I'm sure all those people Christians have killed throughout the ages are on board with you on that one.
"If there is a God and I happen to go to heaven for that"
again, there is a 100% change of you going to Hell, so... you're just saying pure bullshit by this point... *sigh* why do I even bother?
"I will consider it a bonus, my main reward is simply knowing I lived a morally sound life. This is my own personal philosophy"
And that is why you'll burn forever in Hell, God bless <3
Also; I think you should take an education. Clearly your head is full of bullshit and ignorance, then again, God loves the stupid.
-with love from an Agnostic
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He is omnipotent, but being all powerful dosen't mean being able to do everything, God can't lie and He can't make a rock so big that He cannot move it.
Would you kill your first child just because he was pranking your other children?
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Except that he can lie. He lied to Adam and Eve, he lied to Abraham, he may not have lied to Jebtha but his conduct in that instance was certainly deceitful.
I think what you're saying is that he cannot do something which breaks the rules of logic or this universe's physics. Which is fine, but then it means that he isn't omnipotent. Limitless power cannot, by definition, have limits.
Same thing with omniscience. You can't know everything, because there could be something you don't know, and you'd never be able to say there isn't. Because you wouldn't know it, if there was.
People also like to use the terms all-good, which would imply no evil or even potentially evil. Which would then entail that he doesn't experience 'evil' thoughts or sensations (let's take lust, for example). If he doesn't know what lust feels like, then he isn't all knowing.
And as for the children analogy? No. But what the devil is purported to do in Christianity goes far beyond prank. It's continuous malice and intentional harm on an escalating scale. Would I kill my first child is he was doing that? No. But then again, it's entirely dependent on the nature of the act. If I came home and found out that he had butchered his sisters and ate the cat, I'd call the cops and get him locked away for the rest of ever, possibly including the death penalty. It'd break my heart (and yes, I know that that is a counterpoint), but punishment must fit the crime. And if the Devil is so bad that he is basically described as irreversibly breaking the way reality functions, erasure of his existence would seem a justifiable punishment.
(Sorry for long post)
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Don't worry, I don't mind the long post because I'm not reading it all of it! I mean no offense, just please keep a more open mind.
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I'm not offended at all. We all have our own opinions and it's important to not treat them as sacred. ^^
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I'm happy your not offended, and I fully agree with what you said
May God bless
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If God is all knowing and all powerful, why would he create Satan in the first place?
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Satan is the Human way of putting a personified face on the conscious evil of the Human race.
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Agreed. I'm just asking, if this was somehow true, why would an infinitely good being create an infinitely evil being?
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You misunderstand. The evil is in Humans. What you are asking is why God would refuse to wipe out our species.
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No, I get what you're saying. Just as there is goodness in human beings, there is also evil. We as a species tried and personify the universe and other things we did not understand. So, we created the gods. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of this kind of faith.
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I believe God is a being of universal power, completely independent of Humans. The Devil is our own evil with a single consciousness.
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Indeed, that is another great question.
The Bible is full of logical questions that emerge when you think about the plot of the stories for too long.
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I personally believe that Satan and Hell don’t exist in the tradition sense. I believe that Hell is on Earth and that Satan is the evil every person has the potential to carry out. Hence, God can’t get rid of Satan because he would be getting rid of us. Just a thought.
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Now see, that's a viewpoint I don't have a problem with, and one that I could get behind, were I to ever become religious. ^^
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(Provided that they do exist), they cannot exist without eachother. It's a dichotomy; good and evil, yin and yang, god and satan, a glass of cool milk and a red hot kitchen. They're polar opposites, however, they cannot exist without the other. You cannot know what is good without knowing what is evil, and vice versa. Also, humans always have been corrupt, and always will be.
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It's simple.
He needs Satan around to scare humans, To keep himself in business.
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So it's an insider-trading scheme, eh? XD
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Anton Lavey said a joke once:
The devil is the church's friend, He has helped keep it in business all these years.
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I could throw my two cents into this, but I'm wary of someone starting an argument.
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