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Imagine that you were a factory worker living in a Midwestern town. Perhaps in Ohio or Michigan, maybe Wisconsin. You worked hard at your union job alongside people of several different races and backgrounds. It paid well. You judged people based on their deeds, not the color of their skin or any other external quality. If people were honest and hardworking, you liked them, and if not, no. You are a white man, but you don't judge people based on their race, creed, or origin.You and your wife made enough money for a house, two cars, and had plenty of cash left over to raise two children. You weren't rich, but you made ends meet and had some money to save. You were and still are religious, with roots in the US going back at least a century, perhaps more. You consider yourself to be patriotic, decent, and on the whole, those are words which describe you and your town pretty well.
Then things began to change. Your town's factory shut down. You had to take a job at a store which paid a fraction of your previous wages. Many people left your town, the tax base withered, and your infrastructure crumbled. The schools got worse. Crime went up. You legitimately feared for your children's safety and security. You were forced to send them to a school you didn't want them to go to because of actual fears about violence, but when you complained, they called you a racist. They called you a lot of things, in fact. When you complained about outsourcing, they called you a xenophobe. When you took offense to violent minority gangs, they called you a racist. When you bought a firearm for protection and continued to go to church, they mocked you, saying that you "clung to guns and religion."
"They" happened to be the democratic party. The same people whose economic policies helped close down your factory, ruin your schools, and insulted you for objecting to the abuse you suffered through. Calling mostly decent people "deplorable" only got them to hate the democrats. Pandering to immigrant communities while ignoring the plight of the population who was already there was sure to backfire sooner or later. It just did.
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Rock-Raider [2019-08-19 00:03:19 +0000 UTC]
I read an article that dealt with this.
www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons…
Thing is, the Democratic Party would pin the blame for all of the above-mentioned on the Republicans. Why is your school ruined? The Democrats would say it's because the Republicans cut the education budget so they could put it towards making more weapons.
That's all I got.
But, really, would EITHER the Democrats OR the Republicans care? You can take sides all you want, but things may still be the same.
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Aristodes In reply to Rock-Raider [2019-08-19 00:07:06 +0000 UTC]
Cracked is a woke source. Not very reliable.
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Rock-Raider In reply to Aristodes [2019-08-19 00:15:39 +0000 UTC]
Really? Well, if that were the case, would they have allowed the article, which talks about how much life sucks for Flyover Country folks, to stay on it?
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Aristodes In reply to Rock-Raider [2019-08-19 00:19:10 +0000 UTC]
Cracked and its ilk blame white people for when bad things happen to them, and they also blame white people whenever anything bad happens to any other group of people.
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CitizenJustin [2018-11-26 03:36:17 +0000 UTC]
Before I start I ought to say I am British. Most of us dislike Mr Trump (and also did when he was a Democrat), and I am not an exception.
That said, with so many people on both sides simply yelling rhetoric your piece stands out. Whether or not the Democratic party's economic policies did help close down the factory and ruin the schools, they have certainly failed to fix those problems. Trump's offers, like helping out the 'rust belt' which is the USA's equivalent of our own Northern English towns, would certainly be appealing to this factory worker, and so many others.
We'll have to wait and see. If Trump succeeds without putting the USA (and by extension the rest of the world) into a 2008-style recession a few years down the line, then good for him.
The only real error in this piece being "calling mostly decent people 'deplorable'". Most of us dislike Hillary Clinton as well and I'm no exception to that either. But she wasn't referring to decent people!
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Imperator-Xolo In reply to CitizenJustin [2018-12-14 08:55:24 +0000 UTC]
Sorry to interrupt, but since you're British, I'd like your input on Britain is doing now with PM Thresea May and the whole Brexit and EU situation.
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Imperator-Xolo In reply to CitizenJustin [2018-12-16 19:35:45 +0000 UTC]
I received your note. I'll read it over.
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CitizenJustin In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2018-12-03 22:38:19 +0000 UTC]
What Hillary Clinton said was "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it."
Obviously, this was incorrect out of the door, because the majority (i.e. way more than half) of Trump's supporters are NOT racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.
However, it was the other lot she was calling a basket of deplorables. The ones who actually are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic. (Don't bother telling me that such people don't exist.)
It's one thing to take offence at the assertion that half of Trump's supporters are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic. I can sort of understand that.
It's quite another to think Clinton was calling decent people deplorables. If someone is racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic then they are manifestly not a decent person.
Say some idiot says "Half the English are scum" and then goes on to cite our own problem groups, why would I be offended? He would not be calling me, or decent English people, scum. Decent English people don't support those groups. Therefore while said idiot needs to be shown his idiocy, he would still not be referring to me, nor to decent English people.
As to "Who tells you what to believe? Who feeds you a narrative that you think that way?" don't even go there. Perhaps someone once called you brainwashed and you took offence at that. Perhaps not. Either way, there's no need to sink to those people's level.
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CitizenJustin In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2018-12-04 07:03:49 +0000 UTC]
How obvious do you want me to get? Unlike Hillary, I prefer not to throw around words like 'racist', 'sexist' and 'homophobic'. But... The kind of person who talks about 'white genocide' in Europe and America is racist, period. The kind of person who says "Women are too emotional to hold rank" is sexist, period. The kind of person who turns up at a gay pride parade and shouts "You're living in your sin, but Jesus can save you" is homophobic, period. And the same goes for those who support them.
And while I have REPEATEDLY stated that this is NOT, on the whole, who Trump supporters are (I'd estimate it as a single figure percentage), the fact is that some people do hold these views and anyone who says that they don't is blind. Being a politician, Hillary was wrong to even acknowledge their existence, but she did and nothing can change that now. So if you continue to think I'm insulting people, then we'll just have to disagree!
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CitizenJustin In reply to OnlyTheGhosts [2018-12-04 18:19:23 +0000 UTC]
Listen mate, I let people speak for themselves. I don't need the mainstream media to see the stuff put out by Trump supporters on their own outlets - including both the reasonable ones (like Aristodes, as far as this article goes anyway) AND the unreasonable ones.
You quoted the article about Trump not being a racist, but I didn't say he was, or anything about him (apart from hoping he sorts out the rust belt without crashing the economy). I said some of his SUPPORTERS are. And it doesn't take much to check the evidence. Only an internet connection. Two words... 'alt right'. Yes in the case of Trump's supporters, racists are a minority (www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670992… ), although they are loud and get plenty of media attention. But Hillary Clinton, though wrong about many things, was right about one thing - they are deplorable.
EVERY political movement has undesirables attached to it. Hillary's as well. But don't make the mistake of assuming that just because it's your own political movement, that said undesirables do not exist.
Incidentally, so far you have implied that I get all my information from the mainstream media, am simply parroting claims other people have made and that the cited evidence against Trump being a racist somehow has anything to do with the views of some of his supporters. That's not very reasonable, is it? Next time try to actually read what's written, instead of simply assuming.
Nice talking to you. Good afternoon.
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Aristodes In reply to CitizenJustin [2018-11-26 03:46:47 +0000 UTC]
She was referring to decent people. Half of Trump's supporters (the so-called 'deplorables) would make up about 25% of the country. There's no way that a great number of decent people aren't part of that.
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Lightsthroughshadow [2018-10-18 02:08:46 +0000 UTC]
Trump understands the little guy which alot of people on the Left don’t know. I am Canadian and though I don’t always agree with some of the things Trump said like building a wall then getting Mexico to pay for it.....I think he is helping America right now more than the Left knows.
Trump is bringing money back to help the back bone of America meaning the factory workers. Without the factory workers those Hollywood assholes wouldn’t even have those nice cars they are driving down the street showing off how cool they are.
Also from I see from the news, practically no Trump supporters are attacking people for disagreeing with them but rather people on the Left are doing that like that news story about that boy in Texas who got his hat taken from him by this 30 year old bully.
I don’t like or hate Trump but I respect that he is keeping his promises to his people.
I am just an outsider of America looking in and I can tell you Trump is doing well for your country but up here in Canada my Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is an idiot be greatful you have a leader who cares cause mine doesn’t.
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Aristodes In reply to Lightsthroughshadow [2018-10-18 02:11:24 +0000 UTC]
Well, that is a well-thought out and reasoned post. You have my thanks for making it.
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Lightsthroughshadow In reply to Aristodes [2018-10-18 03:33:01 +0000 UTC]
After reading your article you inspired me to talk about my country’s leader.
You are informing your countrymen that Trump is actually helping them, while I am informing my countrymen that our leader Justin Trudeau is not helping us......like at all.....if you want to see how bad my Prime Minister is doing here is a link to my article about Canada’s current leader.
Justin Trudeau is destroying CanadaJustin Trudeau is destroying Canada
These days half of the United States and even the whole western world is yelling at their current president; Donald J. Trump and I as a Canadian say to that.......you don’t know bad....
........you Americans who hate Trump want bad......look no further than my country’s leader.....Justin Trudeau.
The idiot known as Justin Trudeau our Prime Minister taxes us Canadians like crazy practically to the point that many Canadians have like $65 a month to live off of which is barely enough to pay the power, hydro, heating and to buy groceries.
The brain dead moron then takes our money from our taxes and puts it into his refugee program to bring in as many Syrian refugees as he possibly could fot into our country without properly back ground checking these people before letting them into our country.
Justin Trudeau was so unwilling to properly background check alot of these Syrian refugees coming into Canada that recently a 28 year old Syrian refug
You Americans shouldn’t be so fast to yell at Trump.......Trudeau is actually terrible and we Canadians are paying for it.
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Aristodes In reply to Lightsthroughshadow [2018-10-18 03:44:42 +0000 UTC]
Well, just about everyone hates Trudeau. He praised that murderous dicatator Fidel Castro. Can you believe it?
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Lightsthroughshadow In reply to Aristodes [2018-10-18 03:49:39 +0000 UTC]
I think your President needs to send someone over to my country right now and when I mean by someone....I mean Seal Team 6 to come to Parliament Hill and arrest our Prime Minister.
Then have Trudeau face the United Nations for his bad leadership.
Then Trump could help us Canadians appoint a new leader anyone would be fine as our new stand in even actor James Woods would be fine as our tempory Prime Minister.
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Aristodes In reply to Lightsthroughshadow [2018-10-18 04:10:10 +0000 UTC]
And to get rid of that German Queen you have reigning over you. We did it in 1776, and things turned out just fine. Same family, too, despite the name changes.
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PersephoneEosopoulou In reply to Aristodes [2019-07-17 22:26:26 +0000 UTC]
She is isn't German. If she is then English descended Americans are still British.
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Aristodes In reply to PersephoneEosopoulou [2019-07-17 22:58:52 +0000 UTC]
There are Americans of British descent, yes.
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pytko3 [2018-10-15 01:00:30 +0000 UTC]
I'm an old lefty, but I'm also a sometimes Trumper. There are some things he does that I like and somethings he does that I don't. I think he was a better choice than Hillary.
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Aristodes In reply to pytko3 [2018-10-15 01:05:09 +0000 UTC]
Well, of course he was better than Hillary. I think everyone around here knows that. It's hard to think of someone worse than her.
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colchess [2018-10-07 01:37:03 +0000 UTC]
Everything is accurate right up to the last three sentences.
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rippin234 In reply to PhatpigeonArt [2018-07-30 13:47:57 +0000 UTC]
Look at it this way would you want the honest loud mouth or a lieing crook also Trump has no need to be funded or bought out he is rich
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rippin234 In reply to PhatpigeonArt [2018-08-13 03:37:56 +0000 UTC]
He has done good so far I don't agree a hundred percent but he has done more good then bad
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Aristodes In reply to PhatpigeonArt [2018-07-15 07:57:04 +0000 UTC]
That's simply not true. You could reverse that statement against the Democrats. Republicans tend to be a "live and let live" group, while the left demands 100% ideological purity or "you're a Nazi!"
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Aristodes In reply to PhatpigeonArt [2018-07-15 08:38:39 +0000 UTC]
Why do you call it the "Trump mentality"? It should be called the SJW mentality.
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Aristodes In reply to PhatpigeonArt [2018-07-15 20:00:49 +0000 UTC]
The SJWs tell you to hate whites, men, straight people, Christians, and anyone who isn't at least one of the above who deviates from their ideological agenda.
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Aristodes In reply to PhatpigeonArt [2018-07-15 21:13:11 +0000 UTC]
Every group has been discriminated against at some point in time. This doesn't give them special rights or privileges, or a claim to moral superiority. Apologizing for something you didn't do to someone who never suffered the historical wrong is pointless. For example, white people alive today don't have to apologize for slavery, and no black person today ever suffered enslavement at the hands of a white person. The SJWs are getting angry at things they never suffered from, or on behalf of other people. Most SJWs come from privileged middle or upper class backgrounds; they mostly aren't victims or members of some oppressed underclass. Their motives stem from their own personal mental and emotional issues. It's why most of them are narcissistic, self-important, prideful idiots.
The only way to deal with an SJW is to deny them what they want at every turn. Don't give them an inch, don't apologize to them, don't show them any weakness. They are like sharks: you give them a drop of blood, they'll move in for the kill. They have so little self-confidence that they need constant positive reinforcement in order to be happy. Any criticism or disagreement is treated like a personal attack on them, which they quickly equate with harassment, assault, and possibly murder and even genocide. I wish I was exaggerating, but it's all too true.
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Aristodes In reply to PhatpigeonArt [2018-07-15 21:43:28 +0000 UTC]
They are young and deluded SJWs, but still SJWs. All SJWs are deluded, to be fair.
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Aristodes In reply to PhatpigeonArt [2018-07-17 07:15:33 +0000 UTC]
He can only be president for two terms at most. No one worships him, and he's not God. Anyone who calls him a "God-Emperor" is just playing around.
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Salab-Jibvoh [2018-05-15 02:58:51 +0000 UTC]
Wait... so you’re saying you support racial equality? I thought our whole idea was that we didn’t care about black people or other minorities, and that the left always tries to give equal rights to minorities, and we had to try and stop that. And yet here you are, spouting the same nonsense we constantly criticize them for doing. The hypocrisy just astounds me.
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Salab-Jibvoh In reply to Aristodes [2018-05-15 03:15:02 +0000 UTC]
Well, yeah. Why do you ask? I’m just saying, if you’re going to bash the left, don’t spout the same BS they preach.
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StarStreamer2 [2018-03-19 20:35:38 +0000 UTC]
personally, I don't respect Trump as a person, but economically wise, he's great. The illegal immigrants are causing problems, whether or not they mean to, and all the other immigrants are unfortunately taking the blame. I can't really respect someone who can't place blame towards the right side, but at least he knows what he's doing, I guess. Nice work, dude.
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StarStreamer2 In reply to StarStreamer2 [2018-03-19 21:14:57 +0000 UTC]
For the minority committing more crimes thing, though, minorities aren't more likely to commit a crime. ~70% of white people commit a crime, though African Americans were statistically higher for murder arrests than white people.
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TheLovelyVocal [2018-03-04 09:05:31 +0000 UTC]
Yeah... I can't believe I actually used to be on their side.
o3o I ain't religious, but ya, I agree with all those points.
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