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This is a simple stamp I am doing. I do not think this requires much explanation. Looking around on this site, and on another site that I am on [sodahead] people get so angry when you will not equate Muslim with terrorist.If you do not say that all Muslims are terrorists they smear you as anti American. Which is idiotic.
As someone who has many Muslim family members, several of whom are in the US military, two of whom have died in combat defending this country.
It would be a disservice to my family, especially the Muslims [all muslims even those who are not in my family] who died defending this country, to just lump them all in with the terrorists and textual literalists. Yes, there may be some questionable verses in the Quran where modern terrorists will use for their personal gains, but most of these texts are taken and should be understand from a historical standpoint of what Muhammad and other Muslims went through in the infancy of the faith where being a new religion left them open to attacks from the established faiths and being of a cultural difference in a time where culture was all that mattered also left them open to some attacks. So when used in modern tongue to incite violence, it would do a disservice to their own faith in that the same book that they use to speak of violence speaks to them not being the ones who are supposed to instigate said violence in many other verses.
It is one thing to say Islamic extremists are bad and condemn them. It is quite another thing to say ALL MUSLIMS are bad people because of what the extremists do. If extremists do terrible things, I shall condemn them, I shall not then say well... they were Muslims so all Muslims are bad. That, to me, makes no sense.
I condemn all acts of religious extremism or acts that are done by non-religious people who needlessly kill innocent people. Yet I will not go..well that person is a Christian, so all Christians are bad. That person is a Jew, so all Jews are bad. That person is a Muslim, so all Muslims are bad. That person is an atheist, so all atheists are bad.
Then you always get the.. typical liberal!!! Muslim apologist!!
It is not that we defend Muslims, it is that we do not condemn the vast majority who have not done anything and attempt to attribute the actions of the extremists to them….for that is not logically sound.
My favorite is when they try and use the text of Islam to show why all Muslims are terrorist… yeah, I guess all Jews are terrorists as well since their text aka old testament is just as bad…
People of all religions have their extremists. I would no more smear Muslims for the terrorists acts of the minority than I would smear all Christians for the tens of thousands of kids that have been abused and in some cases killed by extremist Christians in south Africa [“Saving Africa’s witch children” is the name of the documentary done on this] nor would I condemn all Christians for the acts of the “Lord's Resistance Army” who are a Christian paramilitary group who is killing people, raping people, etc.
I mean if the only basis for judging them as people is the text then certainly stoning your mother for wearing a dress of different fabrics, stoning anyone who is not a virgin, stoning anyone who believes in a different god.. all of which are in the old testament would also qualify those groups as terrorists...
As Aesop says in his “The wolf and the lamb” … “A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny” Okay, some groups, like the Islamic extremists, use religion, others use nationalism, others use ethnicity… does not make the whole group bad.
So I will say again, I will not smear all Muslims, as bad people because of what a minority of their faith does, that, to me, makes absolutely no sense at all.
I may be an atheist, but as stated above, I have family members who are Muslim, Christians, Jewish, Buddhists and many other faiths. So it would not be logically sound for me to smear ALL MUSLIMS as being terrorists for what a small minority of the faith does.
If you have a different opinion, that is great, then make your own stamp equating Islam/Muslims to terrorism. I am not here to have an online pissing match.
As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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Comments: 656
TheDubstepAddict In reply to avemm [2016-05-11 14:26:29 +0000 UTC]
No it doesn't. It says to spread the religion. One half of my fmly is Christian, one half Islamic. I am kinda atheistic.
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ProfessorLenah In reply to avemm [2016-02-14 14:44:02 +0000 UTC]
no, the Quran is talking about HOW he is going to punish non-muslims.
I hope you understand me.
//sorryforbuttingin OTL
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AtheosEmanon In reply to avemm [2016-01-14 09:12:56 +0000 UTC]
So does the old testament, ..well the Old Testament says you are to stone someone found to worshiping a different god.. but killing just the same.., under that reasoning then all Jews would also be terrorists ..
I judge actions.. there are 1.6 billion Muslims on Earth .. if all of them were to behead people of different religions or even most of them, since we generalize based upon a majority not a minority .. then there would be a point to be made.. though since not even 5% or 80,000,000 are out there actually doing terrorist acts it would be illogical to smear them all as terrorists ..
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DarkVikingMistress In reply to ??? [2016-01-10 04:26:45 +0000 UTC]
Whilst I think it's sweeping to label all Muslims as terrorists and it comes off as sounding uneducated, I don't think it's generally intellectually honest to compare Christian terrorism to Islamic terrorism. The hard truth is that the majority of modern terrorist attacks are that of Jihadist or extreme groups who are motivated explicitly by Islam.
Christian attacks are bad yes, and if I had my way no terrorism would ever have to happen, but they just aren't as much of threat for the majority of people. Radical Islam attacks are happening left right and centre, and so I think to not focus on these in the name of keeping everyone comfortable is doing us a disservice.
A lot of people try to disprove the religious link altogether between for example Daesh/ISIS because for some reason it's an uncomfortable connection, but it needs to be made, otherwise Daesh/ISIS/whoever you prefer to call them still has a great justification in their eyes for what they are doing and they will feel like they are "winning"...they want to prove that their interpretation basically of being a Muslim is correct, and everyone else is wrong. Everyone trying to sweep their connection with Allah and Islam under the rug (even though in their letters claiming for responsibility of terrorism, they generally use a lot of religious references) gives them more ammunition in a way to tear the Western world apart, it keeps us arguing over how to approach the topic and never get to the issue at hand and unite right now...no matter if you think we need to handle it with kid gloves and be super touchy feely and not even utter the words "Islam Extremism" in fear of possibly of offense being taken, or you are the other extreme and think that Western values are always superior and all Muslims are the problem, or you are in the middle, not sure where you stand and shake your head at both sides like me.
So, I would say yeah of course Muslims are not all terrorists...Western born and raised Muslims in particular are seriously unlikely to grow up to be terrorists, but...the majority of modern terrorism is committed by Islam related groups...sure they might not represent the majority of their religion, but the growing prevalence of the attacks are dangerous and I think prancing around the issue like so many people are right now is foolish.
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TheDubstepAddict In reply to DarkVikingMistress [2016-05-11 14:27:36 +0000 UTC]
Islam =/= islamistic.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to DarkVikingMistress [2016-01-11 19:34:09 +0000 UTC]
I do not think it is intellectually dishonest to compare them contextually dependent. If you are trying to make the claim that there are equal numbers of Christian terrorists comparative to Islamic ones then that would be intellectually dishonest.. if your argument is, as is the only time I personally have seen this is to say that it is not the entire religion but a very small minority of the religion then it can be compared.. In the case, we do not blame all Christians for the tens of thousands of people raped, buried alive, tortured etc over the last years by the LRA .. so it would be equally as stupid to blame 1.6 billion people for what even if you believe this anti Islamic site www.thereligionofpeace.com/ maybe 100K or so Muslims have taken part in those nearly 30K terrorist attacks in the last 15 years.
That is where we may disagree... I think we should be focusing on all terroristic actions but yes giving greater focus on that which is most likely a threat to us, Islamic fundamentalism but not being blind to the ways of the world when it comes to non-Islamic terrorism.
I admit I hav seen very few people claim that ISIL's motives are not somewhat religious. They are no grand different than many other groups, they just appear better effective at their aims, perhaps use to things like social media and such which has garnered them far more support than other groups at which still utilize simple cassette tapes and voice recordings.
Like all text, they are the ultimate of paradoxical persuasions, within them you have the text to do the greatest of goods but also the most terrible of deeds, I am an atheist as such I think generally religious texts be it the Koran, Bible or the Tanakh aka old testament are all horrid and I personally cannot see how any follow them but I of course do not broad swipe all people who may believe something just because a small minority of them use the text to do terrible things. I say small minority because there are 1.6 billion Muslims, and in 15 years they have carried up just under 28K .. at most the US CIA, FBI range their number from around 5-10 million globally of actual jihadist views .. so I do not the broad swiping based upon that fringe of very violent and moronic extremists.
you say Everyone trying to sweep their connection with Allah and Islam under the rug" which is factually incorrect .. "everyone' is not doing that... in fact most people are not denying ISIL's claims that they are doing all of this to have an Islamic state with strict interpretation of the text .
We should argue on how to approach the topic, staying out of it as some have said is a terrible strategy .. as is the other extreme of JUST CARPET BOMB THE ENTIRE AREA .. we should argue, debate which is the right way to go about addressing ISIL and in the case of the United States, perhaps taking a serious look at our foreign policy over the last few decades going back to the 1950s in that region.. our hands are not free from chaos .
I think and usually have no issue with saying Islamic radicalism, Islamic Extremism or just fundamentalists... I think when you are in government you curtail your language to a point because the fact of the matter is most of your allies in that region are Muslim.. so you do not want to go the moronic route of just broad swiping all Muslims thus risking alienating your allies to satisfy some fringe of people who just want to bash Muslims as a whole.
I do not see people prancing around the issue as a generality, I see people who understand the general balance between simply being a War Hawk and thinking war is the way always, vs those who hold a view I think moronic that if we just left them alone they will forget 50+ years of Western influence and just die on their own .. I perhaps have a different view being an American and understanding how America has done some things over the last 50 years to disrupt the region and perhaps in the future we can get better at our foreign policy with respect to the Middle East.
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Xypaz-and-Friends In reply to ??? [2015-12-26 14:34:17 +0000 UTC]
It's such a damn shame that some people are labeling different groups as terrorists when there are some of the people of said group (be it of Christianity, Muslim, etc.) did nothing wrong whatsoever.
Terrorists often use religion as a sort of mask to hide and seal off their actions to some people of the world in order to recruit more people to be a part of them.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Xypaz-and-Friends [2015-12-26 20:01:31 +0000 UTC]
I agree, I find the vast majority of any religious sect does not commit terrorists acts.. a very small fraction may and then some will try to attribute it to the entire group..
I agree with the second part as well, thus my mentioning Aesop's tale of the wolf and the lamb in the artist comment section
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Navy-Blue-Falconet In reply to ??? [2015-12-20 09:51:07 +0000 UTC]
Man, I really get tired of my family being like 'Muslims are this and that"...-_-
As far from the Islamic kids I've met in school, I haven't seen or heard of them planting a bomb somewhere.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Navy-Blue-Falconet [2015-12-20 19:26:49 +0000 UTC]
I speak against Islamic extremists.. if they do bad then I condemn it.. but I grow tired of the THEY ARE MUSLIM SO .. CLEARLY THEY ARE TERRORISTS ..
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Navy-Blue-Falconet In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-12-20 20:53:54 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I've heard about that thing in Paris where I've seen people blame Muslims in general instead of just blaming the actual terrorists.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Navy-Blue-Falconet [2015-12-21 18:05:27 +0000 UTC]
Yes, over the last few years here in America, attacks on Muslims, and muslim temples are on the rise... even some people attacking sikhs because they thought that they were Muslim
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Navy-Blue-Falconet In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-12-21 22:14:54 +0000 UTC]
That's over the top. They're judging people based on looks even,
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Navy-Blue-Falconet [2015-12-22 06:16:14 +0000 UTC]
yup, a few months ago there was a sikh cab driver attacked because the guy thought he was Muslim.
a few weeks ago in NYC, where I am .. a Muslim girl had 3 boys try to rip off her head scarf, they punched her in the face . they called her ISIS ... .and the cops did not file a police report
news.yahoo.com/muslim-sixth-gr…
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Xypaz-and-Friends In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-12-26 14:37:02 +0000 UTC]
WTF?
Just because someone is wearing a hijab does not mean they're a part of ISIS.
I swear to god, humanity is slowly degrading each year.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Xypaz-and-Friends [2015-12-26 20:00:11 +0000 UTC]
I agree, many Muslim women wear that..and some other non-Islamic faith also have their women wearing similar head garments
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Navy-Blue-Falconet In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-12-22 06:23:56 +0000 UTC]
I'm not even sure how to describe it.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Navy-Blue-Falconet [2015-12-22 07:19:57 +0000 UTC]
I understand what you meant, sort of like.. when cops will not file a report and you have the top presidential candidate calling for a database of Muslims .. who calls for monitoring all Muslims etc.. it seems as it is becoming societal acceptable to discriminate against Muslims.
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Navy-Blue-Falconet In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-12-22 06:19:02 +0000 UTC]
That's a really oppressive kind of discrimination.
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Skrillex4Lyfe In reply to ??? [2015-12-18 01:07:52 +0000 UTC]
It doesnt change the fact that muslims worship a horrible religion which condones murder and worse.
Seriously, it does, go read some Quran quotes.
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IslamistTroll In reply to Skrillex4Lyfe [2023-03-22 11:08:54 +0000 UTC]
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Skrillex4Lyfe [2015-12-18 01:45:53 +0000 UTC]
I could also read the old Testament and say Jews . to paraphrase your text
"It doesnt change the fact that Jews worship a horrible religion which condones murder and worse.
Seriously, it does, go read some Tanakh quotes."
I am an atheist, as such I do not hold my weight in the text of religious doctrines.. yet what I will not do because it is both illogical and unreasonable is broad swipe 1.6 billion people on Earth that considers themselves to Muslims for the ideology of several million and the action of several thousands.
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Sarper170 In reply to ??? [2015-12-17 21:25:43 +0000 UTC]
Finaly, finaly i saw a person, who doesn't says "Muslims are terrorists!". Do you know how it feels when someone calls you as a "terrorist"? It's like... When you try to say "I am not a terrori--"... and somepeople stops you. ... It's called " being muted"... This feeling is just... Horrifying...
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Sarper170 [2015-12-18 01:49:25 +0000 UTC]
Yes to broad swipe every person who happens to be a Muslim as terrorists makes absolutely no sense.. it would be equally as stupid for me to blame every Christian for the actions of the "Lord's Resistance Army" or the IRA.. now, if someone claiming to be a Muslim does something at which they believe was in the name of Islam, I will of course condemn them.. I will not then say well they are a Muslim therefore all 1.6 billion Muslims must be blamed.
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iSketchy13 In reply to ??? [2015-11-22 23:19:05 +0000 UTC]
Well,I live in Malaysia and I'm proud as a muslim..We're not terrorist..I'm motherbuckin' shocked when I see a video of ISIS terrorist look like muslims..Anyway,I'm glad you make this stamp
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AtheosEmanon In reply to iSketchy13 [2015-11-23 19:45:10 +0000 UTC]
Yes, most of the people ISIL has killed have been Muslims, so when people just vastly generalize all Muslims.. it basically says that the people that ISIL are generally killing are no different than the people killing them
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Xypaz-and-Friends In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-12-26 14:38:25 +0000 UTC]
A real Muslim does not kill other Muslims.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Xypaz-and-Friends [2015-12-26 19:59:10 +0000 UTC]
I do not personally go into the "real Muslim" because it always leads to the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
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Xypaz-and-Friends In reply to AtheosEmanon [2015-12-27 03:00:38 +0000 UTC]
And how does the "No True Scotsman" Fallacy work exactly?
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Xypaz-and-Friends [2015-12-27 05:09:28 +0000 UTC]
It asserts a general position of homogeneous manner, and any who diverge from that were not true......
www.logicallyfallacious.com/in…
^ some examples
So the notion of .. NO TRUE MUSLIM WOULD EVER....
eh, I hold true to the Maya Angelou quote of
“When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time.”
So from my view, I do not doubt that they were textual literalists, or Muslims.. but in that we must not fall victim to generalization fallacies..of .. Muslim A does ... and simply because the person was a Muslim . then say all Muslims do..
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BobClampettFan164 In reply to ??? [2015-11-17 00:15:18 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much! Truer words has never been spoken!
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AtheosEmanon In reply to BobClampettFan164 [2015-11-17 16:26:36 +0000 UTC]
thanks for the fave, very much appreciated.
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Spongebob-Killer In reply to ??? [2015-10-26 03:34:43 +0000 UTC]
My friend is a Muslim, and she is pretty nice and smart. Nice stamp btw.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to Spongebob-Killer [2015-10-26 04:37:46 +0000 UTC]
yeah many friends and many relatives are Muslim, .. I personally am an agnostic atheist but as long as no one is being harmed, I would defend their constitutional right to practice their beliefs and their human rights to believe what they want
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XxcoloredxX In reply to ??? [2015-10-25 12:37:02 +0000 UTC]
Awwwww
I love this stamp im gonna use it cause im muslim
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iClubBabySeals In reply to ??? [2015-10-25 05:27:03 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, take that one kid who built a sweet clock for example.
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AtheosEmanon In reply to iClubBabySeals [2015-10-26 00:02:26 +0000 UTC]
Yes, he and his family are leaving the US i hear..for Qatar
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Royszawa In reply to ??? [2015-10-22 14:00:58 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the info, man! I'm Muslim and have autism also proud of it..
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MLPELEMENTHEART In reply to ??? [2015-10-17 17:04:37 +0000 UTC]
THANK YOU!! FINALLY!!! i'm muslim and proud of that! muslim are not terrorists! there is some awful people call there self Muslims! and ruin muslim name!
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AtheosEmanon In reply to MLPELEMENTHEART [2015-10-18 04:37:36 +0000 UTC]
I agree, that terrorists do make their own faith look bad.
But I would not take the terrible deeds done by Islamic fundamentalists and smear all Muslims with that for that would make no sense to me.
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Xypaz-and-Friends In reply to ??? [2015-10-17 12:41:33 +0000 UTC]
Muslims aren't terrorists.
I can agree with you on that.
The only terrorists in this world are the people who use their religion as an excuse to do bad things.
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