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AtheosEmanon — Muslim doesn't equal Terrorist by-nc-nd

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Description This is a simple stamp I am doing. I do not think this requires much explanation. Looking around on this site, and on another site that I am on [sodahead] people get so angry when you will not equate Muslim with terrorist.

If you do not say that all Muslims are terrorists they smear you as anti American. Which is idiotic.

As someone who has many Muslim family members, several of whom are in the US military, two of whom have died in combat defending this country.

It would be a disservice to my family, especially the Muslims [all muslims even those who are not in my family] who died defending this country, to just lump them all in with the terrorists and textual literalists. Yes, there may be some questionable verses in the Quran where modern terrorists will use for their personal gains, but most of these texts are taken and should be understand from a historical standpoint of what Muhammad and other Muslims went through in the infancy of the faith where being a new religion left them open to attacks from the established faiths and being of a cultural difference in a time where culture was all that mattered also left them open to some attacks. So when used in modern tongue to incite violence, it would do a disservice to their own faith in that the same book that they use to speak of violence speaks to them not being the ones who are supposed to instigate said violence in many other verses.

It is one thing to say Islamic extremists are bad and condemn them. It is quite another thing to say ALL MUSLIMS are bad people because of what the extremists do. If extremists do terrible things, I shall condemn them, I shall not then say well... they were Muslims so all Muslims are bad. That, to me, makes no sense.

I condemn all acts of religious extremism or acts that are done by non-religious people who needlessly kill innocent people. Yet I will not go..well that person is a Christian, so all Christians are bad. That person is a Jew, so all Jews are bad. That person is a Muslim, so all Muslims are bad. That person is an atheist, so all atheists are bad.

Then you always get the.. typical liberal!!! Muslim apologist!!

It is not that we defend Muslims, it is that we do not condemn the vast majority who have not done anything and attempt to attribute the actions of the extremists to them….for that is not logically sound.

My favorite is when they try and use the text of Islam to show why all Muslims are terrorist… yeah, I guess all Jews are terrorists as well since their text aka old testament is just as bad…

People of all religions have their extremists. I would no more smear Muslims for the terrorists acts of the minority than I would smear all Christians for the tens of thousands of kids that have been abused and in some cases killed by extremist Christians in south Africa [“Saving Africa’s witch children” is the name of the documentary done on this] nor would I condemn all Christians for the acts of the “Lord's Resistance Army” who are a Christian paramilitary group who is killing people, raping people, etc.

I mean if the only basis for judging them as people is the text then certainly stoning your mother for wearing a dress of different fabrics, stoning anyone who is not a virgin, stoning anyone who believes in a different god.. all of which are in the old testament would also qualify those groups as terrorists...

As Aesop says in his “The wolf and the lamb” … “A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny” Okay, some groups, like the Islamic extremists, use religion, others use nationalism, others use ethnicity… does not make the whole group bad.

So I will say again, I will not smear all Muslims, as bad people because of what a minority of their faith does, that, to me, makes absolutely no sense at all.


I may be an atheist, but as stated above, I have family members who are Muslim, Christians, Jewish, Buddhists and many other faiths. So it would not be logically sound for me to smear ALL MUSLIMS as being terrorists for what a small minority of the faith does.

If you have a different opinion, that is great, then make your own stamp equating Islam/Muslims to terrorism. I am not here to have an online pissing match.

As always comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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Comments: 656

AspiePie In reply to ??? [2014-11-20 16:46:32 +0000 UTC]

I like him too.. But Phillip Wiess a intellectual has stated that sometimes Noam Chomsky is a little shy on the Jewish part of Issues...

 mondoweiss.net/ Here is Phillip Wiess.. He is a Jew who talks about Jewish influence and is not racist or self-hating.. He talks about ethno-centralism among Jews and talks about anti-semitism among Goy in a matter a fact no nonsense way. No "Poor Little Jews" or Loathsome Kikes..." just simple talk about the issues and what they mean! He uses lots of Data for his research and will never leave you asking too many questions! 

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AtheosEmanon In reply to AspiePie [2014-11-20 17:41:09 +0000 UTC]

I tend not to frame argument on a "Jewish or non-Jewish" part of the issues because that is a moronic way to frame something. Judaism and thus Jews are not a "side of an issue".. since there is no issue in which Jews all agree on. Now, a better intellectually honest would be would on policy and not just grouping all people who are Jewish as being on one side of the issue. [either you misspoke in what he said, or if he actually said "Jewish part of the issues" then that is rather moronic.]

.. so if he did not speak of Jewish influence he would be racist or self-hating? With greatest respect, as someone who is 1/6th Jewish, the framing of the opening of your second paragraph left much to be desired, perhaps it was the wording of "He is a Jew who talks about Jewish influence and is not racist or self-hating."

Since, this comment, with the exception of the link also left much to be desired on the policy front from you. I am unsure if this strain of conversation has also run its course. Or are there substantive policy matters to discuss, in actuality, without simply linking.

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AspiePie In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-11-20 17:53:00 +0000 UTC]

He does not frame issues as Jewish or non-Jewish.. Rather he simply lets you know if a activist Jew like a Netayahu supporter is involved.. I am sorry I don't speak very politically correct could you help me say what I should say rather then what I am saying.. I don't mean to be offensive it just comes out that way?  

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AtheosEmanon In reply to AspiePie [2014-11-20 18:42:10 +0000 UTC]

With great respect, sir, it had nothing to do with political correctness, it had everything  to do with a statement that made absolutely no sense. such as "Jewish side of  the issue" if you thought it was about political correctness then that also leaves much to be desired from your response, sir.

Activist Jew like Netanyahu ro "Activist Jew" like the former president of Israel ... both zionist and yet both having very different views on how to solve the issue that has plagued the region.

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AspiePie In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-11-20 20:09:31 +0000 UTC]

By "activist Jew" I mean a Jew who politically active in Ethno-Centrist activities.. I am sorry I used to have a friend who moved to China who was a fellow radical Anti-Zionist... He was on a anti-Semitic forum and wasn't very good at wording things without sounding like a bigot. i picked up his lingo!     

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AtheosEmanon In reply to AspiePie [2014-11-20 21:31:52 +0000 UTC]

I tend not to care if a person is speaking politically incorrect [though since this phrase has no objective definition it is wildly overused in my opinion,,] Well I always say, if you agree with a cause great enough to die for, then the least one can do is fight for it. To which covers a wide arrange of issues, including those that may be deemed "activist jews". Now, I support Israel, and its right to exist - I do not support the violating of international law, its human rights violations, and war crimes and do or rather would like America to stop vetoing everything. Will that happen? Doubtful.

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AspiePie In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-11-24 14:26:00 +0000 UTC]

By activist Jew I simply ment a Jew acting on a Ethno-Centrist Ideology.. like Zionism!

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AtheosEmanon In reply to AspiePie [2014-11-24 15:30:47 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I know, to which the part of my comment said "if you agree with a cause great enough to die for, then the least one can do is fight for it. To which covers a wide arrange of issues, including those that may be deemed "activist jews"."

Which would cover of course, positions that I may or may not support.

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motherofsephy In reply to ??? [2014-11-02 23:14:20 +0000 UTC]

Terrorists=Terrorists and that's about it.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to motherofsephy [2014-11-03 02:45:33 +0000 UTC]

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Leafeo In reply to ??? [2014-09-22 10:59:47 +0000 UTC]

This is a very meaningful thing! I'm a Muslim (and I'm proud to be one) and I don't see any logical reason as to why people consider Muslims as 'terrorist'. One should broaden their mind and not hate everyone who belongs to a certain group or religion.

Thank you for making this stamp. ^^

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Leafeo [2014-09-22 14:14:33 +0000 UTC]

I completely agree. There is no logic behind those think "all Muslims are terrorists" ... even on the site which lists attacks by Islamic extremists says maybe a few thousand incidents every year happen. In a religion of 1.6 billion, saying thousands of them commits acts of terror a year so they "all" are terrorists is just plain silly.

Thanks for the fave.

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UAE-BLacKVip3R In reply to ??? [2014-09-17 16:42:12 +0000 UTC]

I've seen many racist people here since i joined this site... i don't know what make them think Muslim peoples are terrorist but that's not true! Terrorist aren't a Muslim, i'm proud to be a Muslim! and i respect all religions.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to UAE-BLacKVip3R [2014-09-17 17:21:33 +0000 UTC]

As do I, and yes many people seem to think if you are a Muslim you are a terrorist which is very dumb. A terrorist can be of any race, religion, creed etc.

I am an agnostic atheist, but I respect all religions with respect to people worshiping. If you are a Muslim, Christian, Jew whatever, have at it.. I tend not to care too much unless they are fundamentalist and somewhat extremist in their views then I will voice opposition to their position.

Thanks for the fave.

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ANGEL-LOVE45 In reply to ??? [2014-09-13 14:23:05 +0000 UTC]

Thnx this makes me happy I'm tired of people thinking I'm a terrorist.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to ANGEL-LOVE45 [2014-09-13 14:54:36 +0000 UTC]

I am glad it pleased you.

Thank you for the fave.

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ANGEL-LOVE45 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-09-13 16:32:30 +0000 UTC]

NP

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NatureFairyLover In reply to ??? [2014-08-18 13:12:35 +0000 UTC]

its not fair, because iraq got bombed several times.
i respect all muslims dearly

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AtheosEmanon In reply to NatureFairyLover [2014-08-18 13:27:43 +0000 UTC]

I respect people in general, ad those that do not go out of their way to inflict pain onto others.

So, I respect the vast majority o Muslims as individuals - and then there are some of course that I do not.. but that can be said for any group.

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TotallyDeviantLisa In reply to ??? [2014-07-26 08:13:46 +0000 UTC]

I was good friends with a Muslim family when I was a kid. They behaved like normal citizens and not terrorists.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to TotallyDeviantLisa [2014-07-26 15:29:27 +0000 UTC]

I admit I am unsure what the term "normal citizens" means. I assume you mean they were law biding citizens and did not cause mischief

Thanks for the fave

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TotallyDeviantLisa In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-26 15:31:08 +0000 UTC]

Ah, yes. That's what I meant. And you're welcome for the fave. I love equality and fairness.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to TotallyDeviantLisa [2014-07-26 16:22:22 +0000 UTC]

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roro-the-foxie-615 In reply to ??? [2014-07-13 23:09:13 +0000 UTC]

Your stamp calmed me down, I have seen the WORST stamp I have ever seen that says that muslims are bad. And I was pissed to the point I had to write it down in my journal

Bush should've only blamed bin Laden, not ALL Muslims. I think that's why I don't have many friends and such rare comments (I only have two awesome friends who understand me)

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applefanfic In reply to roro-the-foxie-615 [2014-10-27 15:31:07 +0000 UTC]

And that's why Bush was a bad president

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roro-the-foxie-615 In reply to applefanfic [2014-10-27 15:50:51 +0000 UTC]

Agreed.

(Nice gallery BTW.)

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applefanfic In reply to roro-the-foxie-615 [2014-10-28 01:36:04 +0000 UTC]

Yes indeeed

( Why thank you^^ as well as the two fave and llama!!! )

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roro-the-foxie-615 In reply to applefanfic [2014-10-28 13:25:40 +0000 UTC]

(Hey, you deserved it )

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applefanfic In reply to roro-the-foxie-615 [2014-10-28 19:49:15 +0000 UTC]

(( Thanks ))

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roro-the-foxie-615 In reply to applefanfic [2014-10-28 20:35:38 +0000 UTC]

(( No probz ))

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AtheosEmanon In reply to roro-the-foxie-615 [2014-07-13 23:33:06 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the fave.

Yeah, many tend to equate Islam with terrorism, or all Muslims with terrorists to which I find that to be rather dumb.

While Bush did say we are not at all with all Muslims - - his foreign policy after 9-11 left much to be desired with respect to .. going into Iraq and fabricating a war to go to Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9-11  and the many people killed thereafter did not put us, us as in America, on the best footing with the "Muslim world"

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LizzyChrome In reply to ??? [2014-07-08 12:10:24 +0000 UTC]

While the Islamic world does seem to have more than its fair share of terrorist groups, that does NOT give people the right to judge all Muslims by that. Islam is the largest world religion after Christianity; when bigots say "Muslims are all terrorists" they're condemning a pretty big portion of the world right there. It's as idiotic as it is immoral.

Thanks for making this stamp.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to LizzyChrome [2014-07-08 12:51:59 +0000 UTC]

I more or less as a general view it as just their turn.. every major religion has gone through a new awakening to find themselves where the most extreme elements and the moderate elements battle for control or power.. the Jewish had their turn a few thousand years ago, the Christians had their turn a thousand years ago... and now... this seems to be the Islamic turn.. does not mean the people are bad in general - yeah some of them are -  but who will win the battle will determine the general perception of the faith..

I often laugh when they say MUSLIMS ARE ALL TERRORISTS!!.. if 1.8 billion Muslims were terrorists .. that is just 25% of the world.. if 25% of the world were terrorists you would see tens of millions dead per year through islamic fundamentalism radicalism.. instead of just tens of thousands..

One can only hope it does not last centuries as the Christian "turn" did..

Thanks for the fave

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LizzyChrome In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-08 16:31:59 +0000 UTC]

That's a damn good way of putting it!

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AtheosEmanon In reply to LizzyChrome [2014-07-08 17:00:39 +0000 UTC]

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Tasorius2 In reply to ??? [2014-07-07 14:27:10 +0000 UTC]

However: www.thereligionofpeace.com/qur…

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Tasorius2 [2014-07-07 18:18:19 +0000 UTC]

all religious text has archaic passages.. the old testament aka the Jewish text still has the kill someone for working on the sabbath, kill someone who believes differently than you .. it would seem with 1.8 billuon Muslims on earth that they no longer practice, in general, the literal text - as Jews no longer practice the literal text of their faith - - nor do Christians if you believe the Sermon on the mount where Jesus said until heaven and earth shall pass, not one letter of the law will change ..

Though all faiths or beliefs from Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc still have what is known as the "golden rule" in their text.. so I admit, sir, I am unsure what the "however" is supposed to prove.

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Tasorius2 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-07 19:43:32 +0000 UTC]

I told someone to either accept that the Bible are not the words of "God", or to accept that "God" is evil, but they said that "God" is a good being and the Bible is the words of "God". The same goes for the Quran.
Their whole faith is a contradiction.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Tasorius2 [2014-07-07 19:50:13 +0000 UTC]

religion is and pretty much has always been the ultimate of conundrums.. in the text you will find a pretext for the greatest of good and the most terrible of bads... religion, like those that thought it up are very complex.. and usually cannot be put in a totally bad, or totally good box... nor should it,.

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Tasorius2 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-07 20:51:32 +0000 UTC]

Faith should not be set in stone...

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Tasorius2 [2014-07-07 21:09:35 +0000 UTC]

Faith is as complex as humans are...

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Tasorius2 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-07 21:32:13 +0000 UTC]

And writing a book and calling it "the holy book" ruins that complexity.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Tasorius2 [2014-07-07 21:36:54 +0000 UTC]

Some follow the bible, some don't. .. some , or most I would wager.. pick and choose what they will and will not follow.. such is life..

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Tasorius2 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-07 22:02:04 +0000 UTC]

Picking and choosing is what faith is about.
I hate when they say "my god is the only god", and also when people say that there are no gods, as if they know anything about that...

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Tasorius2 [2014-07-07 22:27:46 +0000 UTC]

the crux of most faiths is a single deity.. I am an agnostic atheist  - I do not believe in god, yet I do not claim no god/s exist

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Tasorius2 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-07 22:42:32 +0000 UTC]

I hate all absolutism and negative assumptions.
Some atheists say that "common sense" can disprove the existence of the supernatural...
That is as absurd as saying that the Bible is proof of "the one god".
I'm glad there are smarter people on both "sides" who do not just make assumptions.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Tasorius2 [2014-07-07 23:11:29 +0000 UTC]

Perhaps one day we will have evidence either way to prove the existence of god. in which case one can choose not to follow in any belief structure but at least then the core premise would be proven or disproved... I tend not to care what someone's belief structure is as long as they are not trying to make their faith the law .

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Tasorius2 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-08 01:04:44 +0000 UTC]

It is impossible to disprove the existence of something though.
Like in Saudi Arabia where they literally cut off the hands of thieves. That is the fault of the idiot who was unclear when writing it down, and it proves that that country is extremely corrupt.
The leaders in countries like that need to be assassinated. The same goes for trash like Vladimir Putin.

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AtheosEmanon In reply to Tasorius2 [2014-07-08 01:32:59 +0000 UTC]

You can.. as technology advances to which we are centuries away show the things most often ascribed to such a being is ever more unlikely and that would either make people change their views, or become more steadfast in then, such is life.

Actually it is not much the fault of the "idiot" who was unclear when writing it down.. many of these laws have their traces back to the Code of Hammurabi where theft ..depending on what was stolen was generally met with the amputation of a hand.. or in some cases death.. as you had these ancient codes and cultures.. which predate the Abrahamic faiths, you then saw Judaism adopt some of these laws.. which then of course moved onto Christianity and Islam is a Mixture of the very old Judaic text, the new.. Christian text and the very new that being the Koranic verses..

So I would disagree that alone proves they are "stupid".. it would perhaps not be my method for theft which would be imprisonment but such things are literally thousands of years old....

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Tasorius2 In reply to AtheosEmanon [2014-07-08 03:20:13 +0000 UTC]

Unlikely based on what humans know about this universe. Not other universes etc.
That still does not disprove it.

What it all means is that humanity has not evolved far enough.
Individuals can come further, but not humanity as a whole.

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