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Description So, I support the right to die. That is, euthanisia... for humans. I couldn't find another stamp similar to this, and I think it is an important human right that should be common but is rarely given legal rights to. I am an active activist for this right, and in the correct communities you can easily find me supporting this right. As such I receive many e-mails and mails a day asking for help or advice to end their life. Some of these are very earnest and my heart goes out to these people, but the laws in this world would equate my assistance with lethal or immoral action, and my ability to respond to such requests is restricted to deleting or crumpling their mail without a response. And this brings me to tears that the backwards world we live in threatens my liberties to even communicate and to help, and it makes me feel so incredibly selfish when I do not... I can respond, but my own fear of being imprisoned prevents this. I wish I could be more brave, like the real heroes of this world who fought in the past for human rights even at the risk of death or life imprisonment. I do hope to get rid of this cowardice of mine.

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Many people outright are hostile to the idea, and believe people should live in pain up until their last breathe; they should fight and struggle for years on end, and if they give up are cowardly selfish beings, despite that perhaps the idea of forcing a person to live for your own benefit is the selfish idealogy. Others are more receptive to the idea, but only under conditions such as for those who are terminally ill or could only live by assistance from machines. I believe the right should be extended to those who are physically sick, mentally ill, and even those who are simply bored of life.

We euthanize pets on the basis that they "are living in pain", and yet we force a human to go through every available resource to keep the flicker going, even if they don't want to do this anymore. If they don't want to be hooked up to a machine or if daily living is unbearable, they should "be brave, suck it up!" but why? Why, other than the common "the people around you will be sad if you die."

Does NO one think of the person who is in pain? When someone is murdered, everyone looks out for the victim's right. When your pet is in incurable agony, it would be inhumane to impose that pain on them simply because you would be sad when they die. It's sadistc, it's inhumane, it's torture; to inflict pain, to refuse to help relieve pain, or to ridicule people who aren't steel and can't take the pain... for your own benefit, or for anyone else's benefit.

It truely is a sick society when we feel compelled to kick people who are down and is in fact IMMORAL to NOT punish these people, and that the slightest weakness should be looked down upon.

I care about the earth in which we live. I care about the quality of life for all living beings - like yourself - and I care about the life of the slug I found outside or the chickens on the farm or the elephant in Africa, and the cats and dogs we feed every day. The many wild rodents, the birds and insects, and the abundant flora, in which we humans provide a peaceful means to escape if in pain, exempt one species of billions.

I want the competent to have a means of living and dying which is self-determined, self-empowering, and gracefully executed according to compassionate and responsible principles I associate with intelligent and mature human values. This includes clear adult communications about methods to end one's life in a predictable and timely fashion.

From the words of another, "Euthanasia and assisted suicide are covert and unregulated in the Canada of today. Also, their accessibility has more to do with "connections" than with need. They must become available within an open, regulated and equitable system.

People who are suffering intolerably from an incurable condition must have an adequate level of information and support with respect to every one of their options β€” including, though not limited to, the option of a hastened death." - Right to Die Society of Canada.

"I chose the way I lived my life, I should be able to choose how to end my life." - unknown.

"Quality over quantity. It applies to life itself, too." - my own words.

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I'll be creating another one of these with a hemlock in the background, as I feel that'd be more symbolic. That'll be explained on the next one.

If you support any aspect of the right, feel free to still use it... you aren't obligued to use it only if you support it to my extent.

And to those who disagree with it, feel free to voice your opinions but I will respond and more than likely I will not be agreeing.

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As for the artistic aspect of the actual stamp, the background is quite simply an eye with gaussian blur applied and a little tinkering. The eye is the key to the soul, and such and such, and is important in many cultures regarding to death so that's why I used it.

Medium: Digital
Program: Ole' Gimpy.
Time: an hour.

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Size: 99 x 56 pixels

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Comments: 233

JamGirl0808 In reply to ??? [2010-10-30 18:16:09 +0000 UTC]

Beautiful.
I didn't think I would agree, my opinions were slightly torn, but this just made me tip over.
And you know, I see what you're saying with people in disease even. While its hard to watch someone suffering, generally, people learn through experience. How will we know the full effects of a disease if we kill people off before getting a closer look? How can we cure someone through finding gaps in the disease if they die off too early. The thing is, being as I come from America, my ideal of choice is different from someone else. I believe, a person with a disease, should be able to live with choice. The choice to have their life cut short or to go on. However, I believe [i]the patient[/i] should have the choice. Not the loved ones. Even if their not in right state of mind, then I think it should be left for doctors, seeing as how--no matter how anyone says--its no one's life but their own.

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Rous2010 In reply to JamGirl0808 [2010-11-01 18:25:13 +0000 UTC]

Thank you. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who respects life around here.
Well, I wouldn't call that "ideal of choice". I think a person has the right over his/her body, but only when it comes to good choices, like choices that will improve life. Like I said before, I don't think death is a right, and therefore nobody should have the "choice" to commit suicide, even if they're going through a very painful disease (and yes, I call it "suicide", because that's what it is).
But whatever, that's just my opinion. I'm glad to see that we agree on almost everything ^^

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Sousei-Seki In reply to ??? [2010-10-30 13:22:21 +0000 UTC]

Well, you said one could argue with you about your point of view, so I thought I should.

First of all, I couldn't agree more with you in some parts. Of course, killing oneself is just running away of the problems. That isn't life. Life, is going through lots of issues and being able to smile after all of them. I may not be the right person to say this, but I certainly try to live life in its fullest. And everyone else should as well.
However, when you say that one doesn't have the right to kill themselves due to a disease, I can't agree. What about the ones who are paralized, who can't get out of a bed? Is it moral to ask them to live like that, just to keep their family happy? They will see their family going on with their lives, while they're in a bed the rest of their life. It's not fair to them to have to watch everyone doing what they want, while the only thing they can wish is for death. I think that are situations and situations - of course, one should always try to survive - but it kinda depends. If you are sad because your life sucks, you should do your best to stay and be happy with everyone. But in a case like that, I think that even myself would rather die than stay in a bed.

As for the animals, I don't really know. If they are going through a lot of pain, then maybe we should end their suffering. However, if we are just doing it to avoid our sadness...it isn't right. Not at all. It doesn't matter if we are able to think, have a soul or whatever when they can't. We are all alive.

(sorry if I failed in my english, it's not my first language as well D8)

RIP

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Rous2010 In reply to Sousei-Seki [2010-11-01 18:55:09 +0000 UTC]

I know. I had an accident two years ago in the middle of the desert, in the north of my country. I was with my whole class in a bus, and we literally flew out the windows when it overturned. Some of us were lucky and only broke a few bones, but there were 9 of my friends who were crushed by the bus when it fell. They all died, of course, and my best friend was among them. I woke up in the middle of the sand, feeling a horrible pain in my body, and when I looked up, I saw my friends dead. The only recognizable things on them were their shoes. It was aweful. And we were only sixteen years old. Sixteen. I remember having nightmares for months and crying a lot. I had a major depression crisis for a year or so. I was traumatized. However, I got a lot of help, and after a while I decided to put an end to my tears, stand up and fight. I moved on. And you know what? I'm glad I did, because when I think about my nine friends I don't feel sad anymore. Now I smile, because I feel happy that I got to know them. I feel lucky, because they were the best friends you could ever wish for.
So yeah, I know exactly what you mean about enjoying life on it's fullest.

But in a case like that, I think that even myself would rather die than stay in a bed.
I don't care about the situation. I could have easily killed myself, because of the trauma and the depression I was going through after the accident. But I was stronger than that. Dying is never the right way to overcome suffering. After all, as long as you're breathing, you're still alive and able to do anything you want. You just gotta be strong

As for the animals, I think I didn't made myself clear enough. I do think that we should end their suffering, because I think it's not the same to kill an animal than to kill a human being. Of course, killing is never right, no matter if it's a dog or a person, but if an animal is in unbereable pain, I do consider euthanasia as a option.

Your english is great, I bet it's better than mine, haha

Wow, long post. Sorry.

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Sousei-Seki In reply to Rous2010 [2010-11-01 20:15:05 +0000 UTC]

Geez, that's insanely bad. ._.
But nevertheless, I think that you did the right thing. If you were to be sad instead of moving on, they would be sad as well. I think that the best way to remember the dead is by smiling when you think about them - after all, it shows that you still remember them because they were important to you. ^^
I didn't have such an awful experience as you did, but of course I've already been really sad. We all have been. Even if it was for bullying, diseases, losses of dear ones...that's how life flows. And being able to actually survive it and smile just proves how much one is strong.
Keep holding strong there. <3

I sometimes wished I was THAT strong. XD
But nevertheless...I still keep with what I said. There are dozens of things that I can't do due to my health and that make me sad. If I couldn't do anything at all due to a disease...oh dear. I don't think that I would even be rational enough to think wisely about this. And I don't think that, if I commited suicide in such case, that I could be as "blamed" as if it was for...normal circumstances? There are cases and cases, I guess. Sorry if I didn't make myself clear now D:

Oh~ my bad then. I guess we pretty much agree there as well, then. xD

Oh no, I actually didn't find any mistake in your english, and it was very fluent as well. It's rare to find people whose first language isn't english and yet, they are able to speak it like you do XD (at least over here)

Don't worry about the size~ it's fine x3

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Rous2010 In reply to Sousei-Seki [2010-11-01 20:25:34 +0000 UTC]

I know, thank you ^^

Ok, I guess I've never seen myself in a case like that, so I really don't know what it feels like when you're not able to do things due to health issues. I stick to what I said, but that's just my opinion ^^

Okay then xD

Thank you! Yours is very good too. My native language is spanish, but I know english and a little bit of portuguese, lol. Which is your first language?

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Sousei-Seki In reply to Rous2010 [2010-11-01 20:29:41 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome~

Well, of course everyone has its own opinions. I won't go on judging you just for it, ne~ xD

Oooh~ thank you <3
Oh, spanish and portuguese? How awesome~ My first language is portuguese, haha XD (I kinda understand spanish, but I'm not good at it...;o

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Rous2010 In reply to Sousei-Seki [2010-11-01 21:45:52 +0000 UTC]

VocΓͺ fala portugues? Eu falo um pouco, mais eu entendo muito (?)
Ok, I don't know if that's right

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Sousei-Seki In reply to Rous2010 [2010-11-01 21:53:32 +0000 UTC]

Oooh! Disse tudo direitinho <33
Falo portuguΓͺs sim, haha. Mas espanhol nΓ£o sei falar quase nada...;o;

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InfinityinaGlance In reply to ??? [2010-10-25 00:36:03 +0000 UTC]

I hope whatever adventure you're on now is MUCH more entertaining.

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Tenmachi In reply to ??? [2010-10-23 22:17:27 +0000 UTC]

Rest in Peace...

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NHLoveDani In reply to ??? [2010-10-17 00:54:25 +0000 UTC]

I only believe this when the person can no longer do anything else with their life...simple as that. If you're paralyzed for the rest of your life- or retarded, then what's the POINT? ( but there was scientist who did it all even when paralyzed.) But some just try to live, sacrificing their want to die in order to keep those they love happy.
But...you're gone already, which sucks. It leaves everyone faint, but also sheds light that it's wrong to some. There's no absolute way to take it back, but I believe God calls us when we are ready to die- whether we do it ourselves or not. But maybe you know the real answer. I wish you could tell us now, unless you haven't crossed over. *sigh*

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Bread-Crumbz In reply to ??? [2010-10-16 04:25:59 +0000 UTC]

Ironically, you took your own life...<3

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Seinn In reply to Bread-Crumbz [2010-10-18 03:07:13 +0000 UTC]

Have some respect for the dead please.

May she rest in peace.

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Rous2010 In reply to Seinn [2010-10-22 12:34:33 +0000 UTC]

Oh no, did she kill herself? When did this happen?

May she rest in peace.

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OwletJessa555 In reply to Rous2010 [2010-10-27 06:21:21 +0000 UTC]

It was happened on October 1st. I don't know why she took her life. Nobody knows why.....

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Rous2010 In reply to OwletJessa555 [2010-10-27 21:01:43 +0000 UTC]

Oh, no, that's my birthday! I'm really sorry for her family and friends, hope they stay strong

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OwletJessa555 In reply to Rous2010 [2011-09-19 14:37:55 +0000 UTC]

Well, I just looked at her stamp again but I didn't realize that her stamp was updated on my birthday, too...

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OwletJessa555 In reply to Rous2010 [2010-10-27 21:17:58 +0000 UTC]

Happy Belated Birthday!

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree...

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Rous2010 In reply to OwletJessa555 [2010-10-28 22:10:15 +0000 UTC]

Ha, thanks

RIP.

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OwletJessa555 In reply to Rous2010 [2010-10-29 01:04:59 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome.

RIP.

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Soul-Daemon In reply to ??? [2010-10-16 00:05:55 +0000 UTC]

I agree with Terry Pratchett on this subject, a person who decides to go should be able to do so with dignity, to quote him 'I intend, before the endgame looms, to die sitting in a chair in my own garden with a glass of brandy in my hand and Thomas Tallis on the iPod."

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SapfireWolf In reply to ??? [2010-10-05 01:38:45 +0000 UTC]

I have to say, I support this with all my heart. There are many people who wish to die for different reasons, but they're unable to. They're kept alive when they're in pain, whether physical or mental. I feel it's rather selfish to keep someone alive when they're in pain, since it's helping no one, and harming everyone close to the person.

I think one of the reasons why most people seem to want to take away the right to die is because they're scared of death, and having someone die reminds them just how short their life is. There are a lot of other things in it, but I think fear plays a huge part. I don't really know about the rest of the world, but in the U.S. people don't seem to accept death as the last part of life. People here don't seem to be taught that, at least not anymore. I never saw death as the ending of life, I've always seen it as the last road of life, and the beginning of a new journey that we know nothing about.

There are far too many people who are willing to face that road, and want to finally start that journey for one reason or another, yet they're turned away from it. Some of them might be able to recover, but not all of them, and those who won't recover have to suffer for a long time usually. I agree that it shouldn't be a decision that can be made quickly; however, we have no right to hold that choice entirely from them. We have both a right to life and death, but too many people don't recognize the right to death; they only recognize the one to life.

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Nicole-Lyn2 In reply to ??? [2010-09-30 19:10:43 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you. I think people who don't respect their loved ones' wished if they want to die are doing for their own benefit.

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veinsrunempty In reply to ??? [2010-09-06 03:10:39 +0000 UTC]

Lots of long-winded comments. I just say "".

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OwletJessa555 In reply to ??? [2010-08-27 10:43:44 +0000 UTC]

I agree about that. I live in Oregon where they allow people to have a right to be died per wish. I totally support it.

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OwletJessa555 In reply to ??? [2010-08-27 10:43:44 +0000 UTC]

I agree about that. I live in Oregon where they allow people to have a right to be died per wish. I totally support it.

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OwletJessa555 In reply to OwletJessa555 [2010-08-27 10:44:24 +0000 UTC]

Oops! Double comment! Sorry about that.

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Tuesdaysangel In reply to ??? [2010-08-21 20:42:51 +0000 UTC]

Where do you stand on the issue of ending one's life because of depression?
I'm fairly conflicted. On one hand, why force a person to live when every minute of every day is a struggle? And even if they do manage to achieve temporary happiness through medication, they probably know it is only temporary. It's no life at all when you don't want to wake up, when you just can't handle dealing with the next minute, the next "task."

On the other hand, I do believe that thinking of those you will leave behind is a valid reason to avoid suicide. Even though you won't be around to deal with the fallout, doesn't mean that in those final moments you will be able to ignore the thoughts of those you love. And you can't help but know what will happen when they find your body. Especially if you are really close to someone. When you have a close bond with someone, you are a piece of them, just as they're a piece of you. And when you die, a piece of them dies too. It's probably best to reach out to people you are close to. But where should we draw the line? When someone has tried all that they can, but still struggles with depression and suicidal thoughts, shouldn't they be allowed to die? When is enough really enough?

I was just wondering where you stand, because it seems that you have put quite a bit of time and research into the issue of assisted suicide.

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Avalik In reply to Tuesdaysangel [2010-08-21 22:26:59 +0000 UTC]

With major depressive disorder, happiness might actually not be temporary, it could be longer lasting. Depression is very curable - without treatment, it generally goes away in 7 years by itself, but there is a high change of relapse. With effective treatment, it can go away as fast as 6 months with a low chance of relapse.

I think that anyone should try to get better before they consider suicide, both physical and mental disorders. Suicide is an option, but not the first one to be considered. That said, depression is not always realistically curable, and sometimes the effort might simply be too much for what the gains would be in some circumstances. Depression on it's own does generally have a good prognosis, and if I was to make up the system I would put heavier regulations on those 'just' with depression because of that. Most of the people I get messages from have depression, but they also have a co-morbid disorder.

"But where should we draw the line? When someone has tried all that they can, but still struggles with depression and suicidal thoughts, shouldn't they be allowed to die? When is enough really enough?"

First of all, I for the most part think that suicide without assistance one should not need justification. While I think that those under 18, and those haven't tried getting better probably shouldn't be doing it... I don't think they need a justification, regardless. They have had enough -- that is enough. If they truelly want to die, they will die eventually by their own hands. If they do not, it will be rare for them to kill themselves. People who want to die will find a way... with exception to those who are strictly under guard, such as those in prisons or a psych ward.

Anyone should be allowed to die for any reason whatsoever -- but when it comes to assisted suicide, because it involves another person, there has to be a reason. Also, assisted suicide gives the "lethal means" aspect. If it was available to everyone, those who do not actually want to die would go through with it because the means are easily accessible, while if it wasn't available they would not go through the effort of finding a lethal means and would either get better and get on with life, or they would get worse and then they would find the lethal means. I hate to make such a trivial example, but it's like McDonald's limited time flurries. You go to McDonald's and try out their new flurries, you want to try them... but you'd rather have your old favourite, Oreos. But because it's there, you try the new ones. However, if they made you pay $20 for it, or if you had to try several different McDonald's for that flurry you would go "fuck it" and stick with Oreos. Unless you actually wanted that new McFlurry, then you would go through the effort. ... but if it was so easy to get, everyone would be trying that new McFlurry. What a terrible analogy... but I think you get what I mean.

So, I support assisted suicide because I think those who are ready for suicide should have a peaceful means, and should have the opportunity to have it in the open so they can say their goodbyes. Now a days people have to leave a scribbled note, never say goodbye, hide it and never truely come to terms with their death and sometimes die painfully. In contrast, those with say, cancer, get to say goodbye, their family says goodbye and are there for them, and they get to come to terms with their death. It's unfair, to say the least. There will be casualities of those who don't actually want to die even with regulation, simply because paperwork and "going through the motions" is still infinitely easier than going through the black market and setting up a secret place and a time and so on.

Sorry, I'm rambling a bit? I will try to get to the point. I think that with someone for depression, they have every right to kill themselves by their own hands. For assisted suicide, I would support regulation (I would support regulation for ALL things, not just depression). And I think regulation should be unique to the disorder and take into consideration: general functionability of the disorder, current functionability of the person, current support, prognosis of disorder, how chronic is the disorder, how severe is the disorder, is there co-morbid disorders, age, how long have they tried to get better, what have they tried, other hurdles? (i.e. being gay, being homeless, etc), among other things.

For depression in particular -- with no co-morbid disorders -- and this is just a rough draft, this is how I think the process should go. I think the process for others should be different. This is also particular for my province, since the age of adulthood is 19:

Step one: Start the application for assisted suicide. You go in for consultation and you're questioned.
Step two: Your profile is assigned, which would be your disorder, "Major Depressive Disorder", and then your criteria set for that specific disorder. For someone with MDD I would have something like:

All applications from here which don't meet the following would automatically be declined:
1. 19 years of age since consideration.
2. 48 months of consistent therapy counting since the age of 16 at a minimum.
a. two different kinds of therapies given a try, not necessarily 48 months each just combined at a minimum, not including pharmacotherapy, and not including alternative therapies, count starting at age 16.
3. 12 months of consistent pharmacotherapy at a minimum, count starting at age 16.
4. Have not been admitted to a long-term psych ward in the past 6 months.

Step three: Being questioned more. There is no "automatic" declines at this step, now everything is taken into consideration such as being physically disabled, being gay, homeless, history of abuse, how you're functioning, past suicide attemps, etc. For example, someone who has a stable career, has a support system (friends, partner, therapist, etc), medications are helping, no history of abuse, functioning perfectly fine, not gay or homeless or physically disabled, and only meets the very minimum requirements (JUST turned 19, meets JUST the minimums) would probably be declined at this point.

Step four if you were declined: appeal, rinse and repeat step two and then three and then continue on once you get through.
Step four if you were accepted: You're asked to come in every month (or the person comes to you if you have troubles) and you're questioned to make sure you still want this. This goes on for 6 months. If at any point you show you no longer want this, or you are unsure, it's reset to the "start" of six months. If your circumstances change dramatically within the 6 months (i.e. from homelessness and jobless to finding a home and a job) you also are "reset" to the start of 6 months. You're required to continue therapy and medications within this six months and not just "give up" everything. If you've been reset 3 times then you have to start the whole process over again (or appeal).

Step five: at the end of six months, you're prepped for your last days. Any change in mind results in you being reset to the start of six months again.
Step six: euthanasia is applied.

There, done and done. That seems a bit complicated. But it has to be complicated, I think. And just as a note, the above is only for someone with just MDD. Other disorders, co-morbid disorders, and physical disorders, are given different considerations to each one. In particular, those with just MDD would be given stricter requirements in my mind anyways, so perhaps it seems more strict than usual.

"I was just wondering where you stand, because it seems that you have put quite a bit of time and research into the issue of assisted suicide."

Sorry I rambled too much. In short, I think for assisted suicide for MDD their requirements should be a bit stricter than, say, a personality disorder or schizophrenia due to prognosis, but I think if their circumstances are for the worst, and that they've gone through enough therapy with no results then assisted suicide should be an option for them.

Hopefully that answers your question, sorry for saying too much.

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Tuesdaysangel In reply to Avalik [2010-08-23 00:13:13 +0000 UTC]

Wow, a lot to take in all at once, but I appreciate the rambling

I never really considered the difference between MDD and MDD with co-morbidity, but I understand what you mean about different diagnoses and different circumstances having different regulations. I never quite considered that each person who might apply for such a service would have different regulations put on them, but it makes total sense. Not to pry, but you don't happen to work as a therapist or some kind of attorney, do you? Because you seem extremely well informed on the issue, especially with the step-by-step plan.

I guess I will offset your rambling with my brevity. Unfortunately my brain doesn't seem to be working right now, so I don't really have much to say .

Thank-you for taking the time to write such a thorough response to my question. I really admire your dedication to legalizing assisted suicide and I appreciate your insight and opinion on the matter.

Oh yeah, and I loved the Mcflurry analogy. It actually makes good sense in illustrating your point. And it was kind of funny too

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Avalik In reply to Tuesdaysangel [2010-08-23 01:03:28 +0000 UTC]

"I never really considered the difference between MDD and MDD with co-morbidity"

It's a pretty big difference, as MDD with co-morbidity basically means you have at least one other disorder. A lot of the time "MDD" is the minor part, in example someone with schizophrenia and MDD -- schizophrenia would be a much more larger concern for them.

"Not to pry, but you don't happen to work as a therapist or some kind of attorney, do you?"

No, I don't. I've just spent a lot of time studying the legality issues on assisted suicide, as well as suicide and mental health in general and the ethics and cultural attitudes and behind it and such.

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Tuesdaysangel In reply to Avalik [2010-08-24 20:54:59 +0000 UTC]

I really should have been aware of differences between MDD and MDD with co-morbidity. It's sad really, because I've taken abnormal psychology in undergrad and in grad school. I might be a little too close to the issue, since I have MDD. But I also have ADD and GAD, so I can't actually separate them out to determine which problem causes which feelings. MDD has made the strongest impact on my life (as far as I can tell), so I suppose I've always assumed that the way I felt would be the same as someone else with MDD. But I can see how someone with MDD only would most likely feel different. Not only that, but one's experiences would depend on the combination of disorders that the person has, as well as situational factors, genetics, medical history, ect. I understand what you mean about MDD being minor in comparison to some co-morbid disorders. For me, having ADD and GAD isn't such a huge issue because it's controlled fairly easily. But other disorders, like schizophrenia or personality disorders, are much harder to treat.

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horsiegal-1000 In reply to ??? [2010-08-06 22:07:12 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry, but I can't agree. We are not God, and we should not pretend like we are. Who are we to say that those last moments don't matter? We don't know the effect that people's lives have on other people. People get inspired from other people's strength and desires to live. Those last 3 months that you took away from Grandpa might have helped Suzie have a better bond with him. Those last 3 months could've been the 3 months that Grandpa came to know Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. It could be the difference between eternal salvation people. What's a little pain when it comes down to it? Eternity is what matters in the long run.

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Fluffah In reply to horsiegal-1000 [2010-09-07 00:06:16 +0000 UTC]

I think I would rather kill myself before finding Jesus simply because of people like you.

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Avalik In reply to horsiegal-1000 [2010-08-27 08:49:08 +0000 UTC]

On top of that, suicide has never been clearly prohibited in the Bible in the first place. Have you even read the Bible?

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horsiegal-1000 In reply to Avalik [2011-01-13 06:00:37 +0000 UTC]

First of all, have YOU read the Bible? I personally am not a hardcore Christian. However, I go to a private high school where we analyze various religious texts (including THE BIBLE) as part of a mandatory class we have to take all four years, 5 days a week, for an hour a day. I have read the entire New Testament and a vast quantity of the old. In fact, I can recite all 73 books in order (and spell them all hahaha). Also, we do not read the book for historical fact. We read it objectively and analytically. So yes sir (or ma'am), I have in fact read the Bible.

Next... Look at the 10 Commandments, those are as basic and clear cut as it gets. Now take a nice long look at commandment number 6: Thou Shalt not Kill. Suicide- "the act of killing yourself". Hmm.... I see the word kill in both. It's right there in black and white.

Thirdly, Jesus did not kill himself. He did not put himself on a cross. He may have not prevented it, but he did not actually kill himself. Plus, if you had read the WHOLE New Testament gospels and used that to back up your assertion that he killed himself (and not an excerpt that is out of context), then you would see that Jesus SACRIFICED himself. He gave up his life so that "everyone would have eternal life".

When you commit suicide you do not sacrifice yourself for the good of all humanity. I am sorry, but that is just not the case. When you kill yourself you are simply giving up on life, humanity, and yourself. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I know you're going to say something about the permanentness of mental illnesses or something, but I have two really good friends that both have mental illnesses, and I would definitely have to say that I would not be the same person if I didn't know them.

That is all I have to say at the moment on the matter. Sorry for taking 6 months to respond, I haven't logged onto DeviantArt in that long.

P.S. I do not condemn those who commit suicide. It's not my place to judge them. I don't even think they get eternally damned to hell or some crap like that. I just think that it's the wrong way to go about things.

The End.

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Avalik In reply to horsiegal-1000 [2010-08-27 08:46:28 +0000 UTC]

Who am I to say that last moments don't matter?

Who are you to force a religious aspect on those that do not believe in that religion, and under your religious totalitarian are forced to live unbearably painful existances just to please you under your morals? Don't you think that it is a little selfish to ask someone, who wants to die because life is unbearable, to live to make yourself happy? Don't you care about how they feel? Or do you only think how it will effect yourself?

Don't you live in the US, where religion is supposed to be separate from state and laws? Do you not support freedom of religion and freedom of choice?

Jesus committed suicide, did you know that?

"For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."

Note how Jesus says life was not taken from him, but he took his own life.

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TeaWithBri In reply to ??? [2010-08-03 06:14:24 +0000 UTC]

you make a very good point

well said

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Subtle-Insecurities In reply to ??? [2010-07-01 21:58:40 +0000 UTC]

I totally agree with this stamp. If we have a right to life, why do we not have a right to die? It's completely stupid. People need to see (like you said) if someone is in pain that they want to end their life so as they do not suffer. Surely that goes against a human right.
I'm not sure if this rule is around anymore but if you tried to commit suicide but you lived, you would be prosecuted for it ... I think in some countries that still happens ...

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Avalik In reply to Subtle-Insecurities [2010-07-02 02:09:36 +0000 UTC]

"I'm not sure if this rule is around anymore but if you tried to commit suicide but you lived, you would be prosecuted for it ... I think in some countries that still happens ..."

It's still illegal in Australia and non-first world countries.

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Subtle-Insecurities In reply to Avalik [2010-07-02 07:06:44 +0000 UTC]

It's stupid -_-

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ElynneCostumes In reply to ??? [2010-06-27 20:25:03 +0000 UTC]

Beautiful stamp. I do support this all the way and I just can't get over the fact that people are actually against this. I, fortunately, live in a country where this is legal and the comments of "Holland is opening their doors for murder" were truly irritating me. It's not as if these people can sign up for euthanasia easily like buying a magazine in the store.

I think all that should have been said has been said. No person should suffer through life like that.

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Avalik In reply to ElynneCostumes [2010-06-27 23:42:20 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I didn't know Holland allowed it. I thought only Washington, Oregon, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Switzerland allowed it.

Recent?

Oh wait I just looked Holland up, it's a part of the Netherlands... thought it was it's own country.

Just out of curiosity, do you support it past only terminal illness too?

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ElynneCostumes In reply to Avalik [2010-06-27 23:52:31 +0000 UTC]

Aaah the Netherlands. I never figured people would call it by it's actual name. That's why I go into "holland" all the time since people seem to understand that name more. But yes, I was speaking of The Netherlands.

Hmmm it depends. If someone really can't see any other way out of life itself and having tried everything he could. I don't see why such a person shouldn't have the right to put an end to his misery. A nephew of my mother killed himself a year ago by jumping of a building, I find euthanasia a whole lot more humane then that.

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Avalik In reply to ElynneCostumes [2010-06-28 00:10:12 +0000 UTC]

Sorry about the loss of the nephew. Anyways thanks for your opinions and such on here, much appreciated

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ElynneCostumes In reply to Avalik [2010-06-28 00:15:05 +0000 UTC]

Oh no that's okay. We hadn't been in contact with him for so long. Strangely enough we started talking about him on the day, and nearly the hour, he decided to kill himself. Which we found out later.

You're welcome in any way. People should actually think about this for a moment. You don't let animals suffer and since most of the "Christians" (because they usually give the argument of "pro-life") find humans to be standing above animals.. Can't we give them a humane treatment as well?

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Zombie-Midgey In reply to ??? [2010-06-25 04:31:23 +0000 UTC]

I love this stamp and completely agree! A great movie about this issue is El Mar Adentro, or The Sea Inside. It's a Spanish film subtitled in English, a true story about a man who broke his neck in an accident and lived for almost 30 years as a quadriplegic so he could only move his head. He had no life and knew for all of his time in this condition that he didn't want to suffer through life due to obligation. He fought in court for the right to end his life with dignity because he said he felt that he had no real quality of life and no dignity. He unfortunately lost the case but with the help of friends ended his life with some potassium cyanide. He said at the end of his life that he wished that he could have ended his life legally and with dignity but was not able. The movie shows how strongly he felt about his right to do what he willed with his own body, a beautiful moving movie. Oh my God, I'm sorry this comment got SO long!

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Avalik In reply to Zombie-Midgey [2010-06-25 06:57:02 +0000 UTC]

It's not that long, thanks for the comment. I may look into watching this movie.

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ANOTHERskiped-Hero In reply to ??? [2010-06-05 11:44:27 +0000 UTC]

I would like to put a comment down that would mean something,but I agree and in some ways I don't.

I think people should have the right but not because there bored of life,just if they can't take it anymore. ...But then problems asume in,you not supposed to play god and e' only gives you what you can handle.
But there again by keeping there person alive and playing god also and might be pushing a person to where they can't handle it.

So I'm torn and confused on the subject.

-Sincerely Casey

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