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I've tried to do a bit more of research on pūķis, with some mixed results

These dragons steal money, grain and sometimes milk cows and fat horses for their owners. A pretty big feat for something about 4 feet long
Apparently they can change color, because farmers can tell if a pūķis is hunting for goods or has already found them by telling if they're bright red or dark blue, respectively (you can force them to lose their loot by taking off your trousers/skirt). When bright red they're often described as balls of fire or flying snakes/kites with burning tails
You can get a pūķis by keeping a rooster for 9 years and them carry its egg under your armpit for 3, or by purchasing them at the market. They're kept in the attic and have to be properly fed (milk, honey, bread and cereal I think) or they'll bring misfortune
They don't like knives or silver bullets

In my interpretation (and considering Latvia is not an actual pūķis) Latvia is a small wyvern like dragon. Although small and seemingly weak, he's actually strong enough to carry things a lot heavier than himself
With those large eyes and "ears", he hunts mostly by sight and sound. His sense of smell is average though
He's not a fire breather, so instead he uses his voice to "hypnotize" his targets (Latvia has a huge singing culture and flying creatures tend to have huge lungs )
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Birvan In reply to ??? [2013-11-16 10:38:40 +0000 UTC]

Yes, but also for kite (heck if I know why). But the stories I could find out the latvian dragon is pretty much a domestic dragon

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ZaubererbruderASP In reply to Birvan [2013-11-17 18:02:04 +0000 UTC]

Interesting, I didn't read much about Latvian dragons by now

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Birvan In reply to ZaubererbruderASP [2013-11-17 18:18:56 +0000 UTC]

I only managed to find a couple of stories myself 

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ZaubererbruderASP In reply to Birvan [2013-11-17 19:47:41 +0000 UTC]

Are there any stories to read on the internet?

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Birvan In reply to ZaubererbruderASP [2013-11-17 20:46:09 +0000 UTC]

Yes, that's whre I found them. I didn't save the links though DX

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ZaubererbruderASP In reply to Birvan [2013-11-18 06:10:28 +0000 UTC]

Oh

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Saira-Dragon [2012-08-09 21:36:14 +0000 UTC]

this is very awesome great work ^.^

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Birvan In reply to Saira-Dragon [2012-08-10 11:38:48 +0000 UTC]

Thanks XDD

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Saira-Dragon In reply to Birvan [2012-08-10 18:00:25 +0000 UTC]

your welcome l:3

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LiimLsan [2012-08-01 21:48:56 +0000 UTC]

[link] Song to the evening Star, Richard Wagner, Tannhauser, as sung by Hermann Prey. Doesn't sound Latvian at all, to be honest, so why do I think of that?

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-08-06 19:57:40 +0000 UTC]

No idea

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LiimLsan [2012-08-01 21:48:14 +0000 UTC]

Whenever I hear Latvian folksong I think of Wolfram's 'Evening Star Song' from Tannhauser. Only Latvians have the lungs for it, I guess.

Although this guy would probably be an Alto. Hmmm...

Good design! And there's always something to be said for those old 'obtain an egg without haggling, bury it in a graveyard and pour milk on it for seven months' and shit legends.

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-08-06 19:58:52 +0000 UTC]

To be honest I have absolutely no idea, since I'm not well acquainted with the traditions and culture from that side of Europe

Lol, yeah

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LiimLsan In reply to Birvan [2012-08-07 00:58:58 +0000 UTC]

Eastern Europe? Well, you probably have a friend who knows or something...over here we couldn't point at Denmark on a MAP. Not kidding.
But the stereotype, I think, is that Latvians eat a lot of dumplings, spend all day on their cell phones, and sing way too many folk songs. (The Cell phone bit may be Estonia...god, these places all look alike. I have no clue what the hell Lithuania is like!)

You ever read Aliester Crowley's 'Moonchild?' Great book. Lots of that screwy thelemic magick shit, even if it's oddly reflexively misogynist.
(Their logic is that the world is best represented and best served by women, because they're screwy and emotional. Hey, it was 1919 - the guy also argues that WW1 was a good thing. No one said to take him seriously.)

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-08-10 10:48:09 +0000 UTC]

Considering our lack of relationships with that side of the Europe (we were always more turned to Africa, America and Asia), even our stereotypes are scarce. With maybe exception of Russia and Ukraine

I need to try and find it here

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LiimLsan In reply to Birvan [2012-08-11 01:39:25 +0000 UTC]

You know South America, at least.

It's probably in print in England - I have so many books I've been told to look for that have been out of print since the 1910s. I know the pain of looking for them.

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-08-12 12:24:15 +0000 UTC]

In particular Brasil, for obvious reasons

Ah

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LiimLsan In reply to Birvan [2012-08-13 08:07:48 +0000 UTC]

Brazil (as we spell it) is an exotic tropical paradise of nuns and urchins and tango and rainforest and Carnivale. I can't imagine being in a culture that remembers the slave plantations and whatnot. (Fordlandia notwithstanding.)
After all, it's probably the same way with Indians - Europe likes the teepees and totem poles and Peter Max novels, we remember the genocide and 'Dances with Wolves.'

Hell, some of my film projects actually reference these books. Nobody'd get them in a million years.
(Last I checked, the only references to American culture in a featurette supposed to take place in 1920s Moravia include the phrase 'Thoroughly Modern Millie,' a verbal reference to an old-timey 'nature faker' book, and a few lines of dialogue parodying 'The Music Man.' I'm not too worried.)

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-08-16 12:40:13 +0000 UTC]

Here we don't have much notion besides the basic, since the people who were exploring Brazil back then liked to keep quiet so they could abuse the laws and make more money. But it's still a thorny subject for them and a huge grudge source (some completely blown out of proportion though)

To be honest I've heard more about cowboys than indians when I was a kid. And Zoro

Ah

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LiimLsan In reply to Birvan [2012-08-16 23:23:27 +0000 UTC]

It's just there with resentments occasionally festering and the vast majority of all not giving a shit.

It's Germany and Belgium who's obsessed with Indians. What's with that?

"The Music Man" is like "Chicago" - my Dusseldorfer friends testify that it only makes sense when you know English as well as a native, but is amazing if you do. The rhythms of the language worked into the lyrics of a type only matched by Bartok and Janacek... so be warned that you have to speak amazing English to understand it (with our massive vocabulary and everything).

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-08-19 21:34:01 +0000 UTC]

And it tends to explode under the right circumstances (youtube is a prime example)

No idea

I think I'll pass then. I'm already horrible at understanding the lyrics of portuguese songs

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LiimLsan In reply to Birvan [2012-08-24 20:14:53 +0000 UTC]

Good point, then.

I think it's the novels... IDK, though.


With 'The Music Man,' you'll want to study the lyrics beforehand, like opera. I'm not recommending you skip it, though. [link] This one uses the English language to emulate the rhythm of a train, for instance. It's a monumentally creative work. (The heroine and her mother argue over the notes of a kid's piano lesson; the male and female lead's signature songs have the same melody in different time signatures, etc.)

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-09-01 07:51:38 +0000 UTC]

Still the impact is somewhat lost over translation. That's one of my main problems with reading stuff in another language

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LiimLsan In reply to Birvan [2012-09-04 02:29:14 +0000 UTC]

Ich speke scheiße deutsche; and am a massive fan of Wagner, so oftentimes I listen to albums of his operas while reading the libretto side-by-side in German and English. It's the best of both worlds if you read as fast as I do (176 words per minute, last test) - but I don't recommend it.

A bit of pun is likewise lost. [link] This one only makes sense if you get that they're playing off the street english terms of 'muito desgostoso (Fucking Disgusted)' with 'porra este creme (Fucking Dis Custard)'; and 'chegou em desespero (come in despair)' with 'ejaculado neste pêra (come in dis pear.)'

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-09-04 12:29:23 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, most of the time I don't get puns or word plays. Though that can be a good thing on occasion

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LiimLsan In reply to Birvan [2012-09-07 02:53:35 +0000 UTC]

Usually the jokes are terrible. The best jokes are the kind that you can translate anyplace and would still make sense.

Who's the best man at a nudist colony?
The one who can carry two large coffees and a dozen doughnuts.
Who's the best woman at a nudist colony?
The one who can eat the last two doughnuts.
That kind of thing.

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Birvan In reply to LiimLsan [2012-09-07 12:23:20 +0000 UTC]

I'm terrible with jokes in general

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tenmisu [2012-07-29 09:50:25 +0000 UTC]

I would not want to be scratched by those claws that's for sure! o_o It looks amazing! The little sketch where we see the back is so lifelike! ^^

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Birvan In reply to tenmisu [2012-07-30 00:48:47 +0000 UTC]

Good thing those claws here made for clinging to vertical surfaces and not to attack people then

I took a long time looking at bats

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crazy-aika [2012-07-29 05:11:33 +0000 UTC]

dragon latvia makes me wanna hug him x3!

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Birvan In reply to crazy-aika [2012-07-30 00:47:35 +0000 UTC]

Doesn't it? XD

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crazy-aika In reply to Birvan [2012-07-30 03:51:08 +0000 UTC]

i dont know why, but for me is a cute dragon x3!

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Birvan In reply to crazy-aika [2012-07-30 21:51:19 +0000 UTC]

X3

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kittietheangelkat3 [2012-07-29 01:48:49 +0000 UTC]

this is a nice dragon version for Latvia

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Birvan In reply to kittietheangelkat3 [2012-07-30 00:47:26 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

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kittietheangelkat3 In reply to Birvan [2012-07-30 19:19:47 +0000 UTC]

no problem

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Cloudwilk [2012-07-26 11:32:57 +0000 UTC]

The dragon is so awesome~!!!

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Birvan In reply to Cloudwilk [2012-07-26 12:54:41 +0000 UTC]

Wyvern, but thanks XD

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Cloudwilk In reply to Birvan [2012-07-26 16:19:46 +0000 UTC]

Oh, oops ^^' A wyvern is a type of dragon, though, right? Or at least in the same family.

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Birvan In reply to Cloudwilk [2012-07-26 16:38:35 +0000 UTC]

Yes, they're quadrupeds since they only have arm wings

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TheBlueTrickster [2012-07-25 08:31:22 +0000 UTC]

You do realize that I am completely and utterly IN LOVE with Latvia's design here, do you? It is perfect, it is awesome, it is CUTE, and yet it bears all the needed, wild details a dragon needs to have, and if needed and if forced, I do believe Latvia is more than able to creep someone out, or even cause fear, with the proper expression, posture and position.... Though really, all those ideas I now have in my mind. They'd most likely contradict the initial plot of Brewing Trouble, which I have no idea what it is, but I've been having all these ideas that, since I think Latvia is nowhere near as big a cowards as he seems to be in Hetalia, he would make a pretty good ally for the team which looks for a cure, and we are no longer commanded by Russia, our nation doesn't fear Russia anymore. Have not feared for almost 21 year now. I would NOT put it past Latvia to oppose Shadow Russia. Because really, out of all the Baltics, I consider my country to be the one with the most undefined of personalities. He is brave, oh yes he is. And in Latvia there is stuff happening, in political and social sense, which are both good and bad. Our situation is not one of the best, but not one of the worst. We are a strange country, I tell you that. And as that, I don't put it past little Latvia to oppose the Shadow Demon in Brewing Trouble. Though that form of Russia is way scarier than he was during the Soviet Union, or how he is nowadays, back then Latvia was so afraid because the way Latvians were treated, the count of just how many Latvians, innocent citizens, were sent to Siberia or downright murdered, like cattle. World War II followed by the Soviet Union, we hadn't been able to enjoy our independence long enough. But now we are doing it, as a notable part of the European Union, Northern Europe, and the Baltic region. Though things are not going as well as we thought they would, it's still better than nothing. And I am sure everything will get better.

Another long rant, I am sorry, lol. I do hope I didn't annoy you with it. Heheh. That's your resident Trickster for you.... And on a sidenote, how many rows of spikes are there on Latvia's back? Because really, I would like to try my hand in drawing him, and I cannot make SENSE of the spikes in the sketches, no matter how detailed they are. That's just my brain acting up, though.

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Birvan In reply to TheBlueTrickster [2012-07-25 10:09:22 +0000 UTC]

Considering your response, I think I do XD

The way I'm imagining it he'll be controlled by Shadow Russia for 3 reasons:
1) Pūķis are domestic dragons, so they have a natural tendency to follow orders (he should be able to fight the instinct later on, but it will cause him trouble)
2) He's confused and scared by the transformation (like everyone else), so that leaves him vulnerable to manipulation
3) Shadow Russia is demon that preys on other people's fears and desires, so he's in a situation to easily gain control over others if given enough time

I'm still deciding on that, but he should have 5 rows, like the ones on his back in the frontal view

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TheBlueTrickster In reply to Birvan [2012-07-25 13:08:53 +0000 UTC]

Hmm... Yeah, every one of those creatures come with their own disadvantages. Though these set reasons also makes me wonder just how will Shadow Russia become Latviadragon's "true master". Yes, Latvia, as all the others, will be confused, freaked out and scared by these changes, but as you said, once he actually gets USED to them, he might most likely make use of them, as the rest will, most likely. When he'll grow at least remotely used to these changes, and if, say, he'll get word that there's a cure for this, then he might start rebelling, at least in my mind. Besides, England, as basically the unofficial leader of Team Cure might know just how to bribe the domestic dragon instincts into letting Latvia come over to their side. Though that is merely but an idea of mine and it certainly shouldn't be considered important, so yeah.

Ah, 5 rows. I actually thought so, but I could've sworn I saw a sixth row on the frontal, head-and-neck-less view. My bad~.

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Birvan In reply to TheBlueTrickster [2012-07-25 14:04:30 +0000 UTC]

I'm still working out the details, but unlike the others Shadow Russia is not the real body, so he's pretty much aware of his own abilities (ChibIvan is the one struggling, especially against Shadow Russia's grip)
As for the Baltics fighting off Shadow Russia, yes that will take place, I'm just not sure how yet

How does a domestic dragon sets on its owner or gets bribed to accept a new one? I've been trying to find that information (as well as what they eat), but everything was in latvian and google translator wasn't very reliable

It's a study, so I didn't exactly pay much attention to drawing clean lines

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TheBlueTrickster In reply to Birvan [2012-07-25 14:13:50 +0000 UTC]

I can translate whatever you need to know. Simply give me the information you found, or I will look them up myself. Though just a minute ago I DID look up the word "pūķis", but the descriptions there were of dragons in general, of the large, mean ones, as Latvian folktales entail evil snakes or snake-like reptiles, sometimes with multiple heads, who scavenge for riches, or terrorize villages, demanding sacrifices to be made if the villagers want to be left alone.

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Birvan In reply to TheBlueTrickster [2012-07-25 14:18:23 +0000 UTC]

I found those too, but it sounded more like old christian propaganda > >

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TheBlueTrickster In reply to Birvan [2012-07-25 14:21:19 +0000 UTC]

Well, Latvian folklore is a strange thing in general, but it is pretty endearing. And on a random mention, one of the two websites you sent me in that note, I personally found it just a minute ago. I will translate them to you in a moment, though me prepared for yet another wall of text.

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Birvan In reply to TheBlueTrickster [2012-07-25 14:31:34 +0000 UTC]

At least yours has a healthy dose of creatures in the mix. Ours is mostly about Christianity, knights, enchanted Mouras and occasional small demons. And we also have witches, but those are more of the fortune teller, evil eye curses and homemade medicines than actual witches (they are still alive and active though)

I'll be waiting ^^

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TheBlueTrickster In reply to Birvan [2012-07-25 14:40:44 +0000 UTC]

Ah yes, witches, we have plenty of those too. Both good and bad, though mostly bad. One witch which I personally know from one of, if not THE most known folktale of ours, she has a minor-ish role in the tale. It's called Sprīdītis.

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Birvan In reply to TheBlueTrickster [2012-07-25 16:00:54 +0000 UTC]

Actually ours don't really feature in stories, but in superstitions. Even today you can still find a lot of people that believe in witches (I once had to perform a counter spell for the bride's wedding, because her mother-in-law was a nasty witch)

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