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Candy2021 In reply to ??? [2014-05-26 16:50:18 +0000 UTC]

thanks! I'm so happy you like!

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LilitSweet In reply to Candy2021 [2014-05-27 12:10:04 +0000 UTC]

♥♥♥

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Candy2021 In reply to Lalalullaby44 [2011-09-30 21:29:43 +0000 UTC]

thank you!

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Candy2021 In reply to JakeChirak [2011-09-10 23:50:12 +0000 UTC]

EXACTLY- we have to show little girls that they have to be impossibly thin orself they are worthless in society!

I've only seen ONE plus size doll in my whole life Emme dolls and they are so expensive! - [link]

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Candy2021 In reply to missionYCO [2011-08-29 15:31:02 +0000 UTC]

awww thank you! I'm glad you like her and that you think shes well developed! I am just getting started with her so she will develop more!

and YES- that is exactly what I was going for! I don't want my chubby buddies to be one dimensional fat jokes, I want them to be relate-able.

this is the first image I've draw her fish hook earring in but it may make another appearance in her other outfits! and I'm glad! I really wanna keep Pink out of her wardrobe ( I think powder pink clothing looks horrible with green flesh) so Peach is as close to that as I wanna get.

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Candy2021 In reply to pink-converses [2011-08-23 06:39:49 +0000 UTC]

I'm classically on a mission thats "see how many outfits I can get Gail in, that aren't pink" I HATE Pink clothes / makeup on green skin it looks SO BAD. I've seen in it in the past and it just looks so harsh and tacky in my opinion - [link] [link]

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Candy2021 In reply to Gatytha51 [2011-08-20 01:19:05 +0000 UTC]

¡Sí, es una chica gorda. que fue mi punto con ella que puede ser gordo Y fabuloso!

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Gatytha51 In reply to Candy2021 [2011-08-20 02:36:09 +0000 UTC]

AAA = ESTA BUENO UNA MH DISTINTAS A LAS DEMAS

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Candy2021 In reply to Gatytha51 [2011-08-20 02:44:36 +0000 UTC]

¡Eso es mi plan! ¡Los Cuerpos diferentes para caracteres de MH! no todos en el mundo son flaco!

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Gatytha51 In reply to Candy2021 [2011-08-20 02:49:01 +0000 UTC]

mmm verda bueno eso es bueno

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Candy2021 In reply to jde123 [2011-08-16 18:27:43 +0000 UTC]

thank you!

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jde123 In reply to Candy2021 [2011-08-25 14:34:26 +0000 UTC]

Anytime

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GreenTeaDeer In reply to kuroikitsu [2011-09-24 03:58:37 +0000 UTC]

No. You need to shut your fucking mouth.
No.
Other people do not exist to fucking please your precious eyeballs.
Fat people will wear whatever the fuck they want. Their bodies are not obscene, and fuck this "flattering" bullshit.
I'm sorry that fat people offend you so fucking much.
Fat bellies are not a horrible thing. I'm so fucking sick of shitfucks like you deciding that fat bodies are some kind of horrible ugly thing that needs to be covered up from the world to save the poor, innocent eyes of non-fat people. Fat people have a fucking right to exist, to wear what THEY like, to wear what makes THEM comfortable, regardless of how hurt your delicate sensibilities are. Other people aren't here to fucking please you. If you don't like the way they look, instead of telling "HEY YOUR BODY IS HIDEOUS MAYBE YOU SHOULD WEAR X INSTEAD SO I DONT HAVE TO LOOK AT IT THANKS", you could turn the other way. There's an entire fucking culture telling fat people they are worthless and ugly. You're ignorant opinion isn't needed.

Cool, you're big yourself. Have a fucking trophy. You don't get to decide that other fat people should cover up because their outfits aren't "flattering" enough for you. You don't own other people, you don't get to decide that your opinion is more important than their right to their own happiness. If a fat person thinks that they look banging in a skimpy thong and bikini set, even THAT is none of your god damn business.
I know it's just a character, but since you seemed so bothered enough to leave a very long comment about a fictional character wearing things YOU DONT THINK LOOK GOOD ON THEIR UGLY FAT MISHAPEN BODY, I have to assume that you aren't very kind to fat people in real life either.
So I have to tell you, guess what?


NO
1
FUCKING
CURR!!!

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kuroikitsu In reply to GreenTeaDeer [2011-09-25 00:16:04 +0000 UTC]

I wasn't being unkind, I was being honest. And quite frankly, you're being rude. My point wasn't 'OMFG I HATE GAIL SHE'S SO FAT AND UGLY' as you think. I was actually rather polite in what I said and I'm responding to this only because I feel its wrong to leave a comment hanging. This matter has been over and dealt with, so if you don't mind me saying, you're late, you're rude, and I'm kind of glad that I know your this type of person so I don't bother to try to befriend you. If you are going to leave this type of message because someone tells the truth, I don't think I need to speak to you.

By the way, every body deserves the right to cherish their body with the people most precious to them. Honestly I don't think small people should wear things small enough to show everything either. The reason why I commented was because it hurt me because big people sometimes don't look their best and as a big person I want them all to look good. It's like a black person being disgusted by seeing other black people talk like 'Dat nigga is hot, yo' or something like that. For as much as you hate when other people do it, it hurts more as something that is more relevant to you.

And I never said that Gail's body was ugly, misshapen, or unattractive so I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. I'm no ruder to fat or skinny people in my life because most people's personalites don't change because of their weight. If my smaller friends wear something that they don't look their best in, I tell them. The same to the larger people I know, and I have around the same amount of large to small friends. So please don't presume to know how I am in real life especially when you spend so much energy getting angry that you can't actually understand what I'm saying.

One last thing, people have the right to wear whatever they want, that is true. I have the right to express my honest opinion about what they wear. Everyone has seen someone that made them think 'do they own a mirror'. I'm merely exercising that right because I believe that everyone has the right to look good.

Just a side note, if you honestly saw someone, size 22+, in a bikini, would you think of it as attractive? Do you honestly think it's better to hide that thought and talk about it behind their back rather than giving a little honesty to their face? And I don't mean teasing a person, I mean actually politely saying, you could look better. I know which one I prefer. I like looking my best for myself and I think most people do as well. To me, it is simply kinder to tell a person how you think they look best. That's not hate. That's not even being rude or mean. It's caring about how your fellow human beings look and wanting them to be their best.

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GreenTeaDeer In reply to kuroikitsu [2011-09-25 00:20:59 +0000 UTC]

Once again, I say:
NO 1 FUCKING CURR ABOUT YOUR IGNORANT "opinion".

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kuroikitsu In reply to GreenTeaDeer [2011-09-25 00:27:48 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for comfirming your own ignorance in my mind by not even pretending to read the extensive reply I gave.

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GreenTeaDeer In reply to kuroikitsu [2011-09-25 00:43:20 +0000 UTC]

Oh you want me to actually read you trying to justify policing other peoples bodies? Fine.

"The reason why I commented was because it hurt me because big people sometimes don't look their best and as a big person I want them all to look good. "

SEE. right there. ITS ALL ABOUT YOU isn't it? Like I fucking said, YOUR PRECIOUS EYEBALLS AND SENSIBILTIES ARE NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN FAT PEOPLE GETTING TO WEAR WHAT MAKES -THEM- Comfortable, not what makes YOU comofrtable. WHAT FAT PEOPLE WEAR IS NOT ABOUT YOU.Do not MAKE it about you.

"If my smaller friends wear something that they don't look their best in, I tell them"

Great, but your smaller friends don't have an entire culture telling them that they don't deserve to be seen or exist, so it doesn't matter how you treat your small friends. Them simply being small allows them the right to exist. Fat people get that shit every fucking day, everywhere they go. Your skinny friends don't.

" I have the right to express my honest opinion about what they wear."

Yes, you do. It doesn't not make you an asshole for doing so, though.You have the right to express the opinion that all gay people should burn in hell. Again, that wouldn't make you not a horrible person. And again, it's all about you, isn't it? You're opinion is just SO SACRED and IMPORTANT that you just HAVE to tell other people your opinion of what they wear. Because oh no, you couldn't just be happy with letting them live their life. Oh no, you are much too important a person! they MUST know how much you hate their outfit and how much YOU think it looks unflattering on them!


"Everyone has seen someone that made them think 'do they own a mirror'. I'm merely exercising that right because I believe that everyone has the right to look good."

Have you thought that, hey, THEY think they look good? What the fuck does your opnion on them matter a single fucking shit when THEY think they look good and are happy and feel good? The world does not revolve around you.

"Just a side note, if you honestly saw someone, size 22+, in a bikini, would you think of it as attractive? Do you honestly think it's better to hide that thought and talk about it behind their back rather than giving a little honesty to their face? And I don't mean teasing a person, I mean actually politely saying, you could look better. I know which one I prefer. I like looking my best for myself and I think most people do as well. To me, it is simply kinder to tell a person how you think they look best. That's not hate. That's not even being rude or mean. It's caring about how your fellow human beings look and wanting them to be their best."

Yes. I can honestly fucking say that I wouldn't give a shit. I wouldn't walk up to them or say ANYTHING. I would mind my own business because i'm not them and because the world doesn't revolve around me and my opinions on how other people should look.

Oh cool, to you its kinder to tell them. because clearly, you are the ONLY PERSON telling a fat person "Hey you're fat and shouldnt wear that because of it!" OF COURSE. No. They will get that from other people. You are not helping them. They have most likely already been told 9000 times that they shouldn't wear that because they are fat. All you are doing is adding to a culture where fat people aren't allowed to wear anything short of baggy clothes because some one is always going to think they look bad in what they wear simply because they are fat. You aren't the only person in the world.


I will say once again, because your entire argument lays on the hutch of "I want people to look their best and what -I- want is the MOST IMPORTANT"

The world
Does not
Revolve
around you
and what you want.

Other people
Do not
exist
for you
to look at.

They are not
Your little dolls
to dress up as you please
And to criticize
for not wearing
what YOU
want them to wear.

Worry about YOURSELf, and let other people wear what they feel comfortable and happy in. Because you are not helping. At all. You do not help fat people when you walk up to them and tell them "I don't think you should wear that." Because they have probably already gotten 10 other people in addittion to you telling them that they shouldn't be out in public wearing anything that doesn't cover their entire body. Because you are not the only person in the world, the world does not revolve around you.
Fat people get this shit all the time. If you are fat, then you should be well aware of this. If it doesn't happen to you, good, that's great. It happens to other fat people.

Just leave people alone. For the ever loving fuck of god. You are not helping. Maybe you like when people walk up to you and tell you how horrible you look and how your outfit makes you look bad. Cool. Don't assume other people just love it too, especially if they are fat and most likely ALREADY get that 100 times a day.

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kuroikitsu In reply to GreenTeaDeer [2011-09-25 01:09:52 +0000 UTC]

Honestly, if you are so concerned about the fact that 'everyone' only talks about 'fat' people (which isn't true because in fashion no one's body is ever quite good enough) then why use a term with such a negative connotation as fat? Why not use something else?

Honestly, you say it's all about me, what are you trying to do but shut me up? If you don't care about my opionion then what I say doesn't bother you at all and it doesn't need to. Other people have thier rights as well. Don't say I'm trying to make something about myself when I'm simply using myself as an example and I dont' know how to express my opinion without the word 'I'.

" it doesn't matter how you treat your small friends" That's something you said. That implies that all people aren't the same and equal. Please don't talk about how wrong I am when I say not everything is designed for everyone (and if you read you would know I say that for both larger and smaller people) if you are going to discrimate. It's wrong to feel I need to be nicer or pussyfoot around bigger people just as it is wrong to do whatever I want to smaller people. That's just insulting.

And no, I don't think that I am so special that everyone needs to know my thoughts. I just believe that people deserve some honesty because we are a country that hides its thoughts about people and gets off on laughing behind their back. Sorry that not everyone believes in that philosophy.

Never said the world revolved around me. People thought that religion is wrong, that the earth was the center of the universe. It's all opinion. People said the world was flat too, didn't make them right.

Your answer to the side note pointedly avoids the question, by the way.

And stop trying to tell me my opinion. Never said that all plus sized people can wear is baggy shorts. Honestly American culture, atleast, looks negatively at EVERYONE. So people who buy into that are on their own because they will never feel good enough.

Don't have particulars about what people wear, and don't want people to dress for my pleasure. People should look good for themselves and the concept of looking good will never change. Clothing exists for a reason.

Honestly, I'm at the point of getting tired of explaining and defending my thoughts and opinions because I decided to voice them. You are not helping by telling me I'm not helping. In all honesty all your doing is writing on the internet. All I'm doing right now is writing on the internet. It's not that big of a deal so I'm not going to get hyped up over it. You continue to let people look however they look and keep your actual opinion silent and continue to fall into a culture that decides it's better to hide everything and keep things secret. I'll continue by saying what I think needs to be said because if everyone who spoke shut up, nothing would have ever gotten done.

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GreenTeaDeer In reply to kuroikitsu [2011-09-25 01:54:35 +0000 UTC]

Your entire first few paragraphs are about how you think that skinny people and fat people are treated on an equal scale of opression, when that simply isn't the case. Fat people have it worse than skinny people. Skinny people have privilege in our culture. [link]
It matters how you treat your skinny friends. However, you are completely ignorant if you think that the htings you say to your skinny friends would have an equal impact on the things you say to your fat friends. Telling a skinny person that does not have to deal with other people constantly telling them that they are hideous and ugly for the way they are that their outfit doesn't flatter their body WILL NOT affect themin the same way if you said it to a fat person that constantly has to deal with things like that. It simply will not. The same way if you told a man that he's a slut, it will NOT affect them the same way if you told a woman, because men are not shamed for their sexuality where as women are. Society and our culture treats people differently depending on if they are fat or thin, and your words will not affect a skinny person the same way they will affect a fat person because they have two different messages sent to them by the media and society.

Fat is also not a bad word. The fact that you think so shows something about you. You were not using yourself as an example.You were saying that you say these things because it hurts YOU to see other people not looking good. You WERE making it about you.


"And no, I don't think that I am so special that everyone needs to know my thoughts. I just believe that people deserve some honesty because we are a country that hides its thoughts about people and gets off on laughing behind their back. Sorry that not everyone believes in that philosophy"
So basically, again, you want to be able to say whatever you want. We are not a country that hides its thoughts. Otherwise, fat people wouldn't get the shit they do on a daily basis. Your right to say what you want isn't more important than some one elses right to exist happily. They already get told they look like shit if they are fat. The media, soceity, etc is already telling them this. THey do not need you to add to this.

"Your answer to the side note pointedly avoids the question, by the way."
It doesn't matter what I think about some one else. If they are happy being a size 22 and wearing a thong bikini, then it does not matter what I think. They are happy. I will not interefere with their happiness by thinking that I have some right to tell them they look like shit when they're probably already being told that.

"And stop trying to tell me my opinion. Never said that all plus sized people can wear is baggy shorts. Honestly American culture, atleast, looks negatively at EVERYONE. So people who buy into that are on their own because they will never feel good enough."

Once again, you are insinuating that fat people and non-fat people have an equally rough time. This is not the case, at all. Skinny people are privileged over fat people. Again, I sent you a link about a privilege check list. Skinny people are not treated as horribly as fat people are. They simply aren't. Your opinion is that fat people should only wear what you tell them to. Fat people already get told by other people that they should only get to wear what they see fit. Just because you are willing to allow a bit more range than these people who believe that fat people should only wear baggy clothes to cover their body odesn't mean you are much better. You are still policing peoples bodies.

"Don't have particulars about what people wear, and don't want people to dress for my pleasure. People should look good for themselves and the concept of looking good will never change. Clothing exists for a reason."

If you didn't want people to dress for your pleasure, you wouldn't be telling them what to wear. Your belief of what looks good is not universal, and yet you are treating it as a universal fact that fat people don't look good in X or Y, and therefore shouldn't wear it.

"It's not that big of a deal so I'm not going to get hyped up over it. "
Of course it isn't a big fucking deal to you. You don't have to live through this shit everyday. After this conversation, you get to walk away.But this is also OTHER PEOPLE's lived existence. Opinions like yours get shoved in their faces all the time. Your opinion is just one in thousands that are exactly like it and all contribute to a culture where being fat is considered a sin. Challenging these opinions are the only way to try and change this culture. But of course, you don't think you're being harmful! Except you are. You are adding fat hate to a culture that already has it. You are a a snowflake in an avalanche, and to quote voltaire "no snowflake in an avalanche ever wants to feel responsible".
Also this is a derailing tactic [link]

"You continue to let people look however they look and keep your actual opinion silent and continue to fall into a culture that decides it's better to hide everything and keep things secret. I'll continue by saying what I think needs to be said because if everyone who spoke shut up, nothing would have ever gotten done."

And once again. We have the "it's all about me" idea. poor, poor you. You're just a rebel, aren't you! Fighting against society! You're fighting for your right to tell fat people they look like shit even though they already hear that 10000 times a day! Good for you! keep fighting for your right to be a horrible person! because god knows, if there's ONE MORE THING we need in this world, it's more people telling fat people what to wear! There simply isn't enough people telling fat people what they can and can't wear!
Yea. Ok.
You keep fighting for your oh-so-important "right" to tell fat people what they can and can't wear based upon your own personal opinions on what looks good and doesn't while they continue to hear the same exact thing from pretty much every single other person.


"I'll continue by saying what I think needs to be said because if everyone who spoke shut up, nothing would have ever gotten done."

I'm just laughing at this part cuz you're acting like your fighting for some huge civil rights thing with this line, when really all your doing is telling fat people what they can and can't wear and what you're trying to get done is having fat people cater to your opinions on how they should dress and disregard their own opinions of what they think looks good.

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PawzDandy In reply to GreenTeaDeer [2011-09-25 14:41:42 +0000 UTC]

God this is stupid. At the end of the day it's just two people with differing opinions who together don't even make a drop in the bucket of the people involved.

She is not going to get your point and you are not going to get hers so just walk away in a CIVILIZED manner and forget this retarded bullshit.

I am a big girl myself. I have actually been told that I don't look good. I have been made fun of for multiple things in my life. I have even been mistaken for a guy a handful of times in my life.

WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS NOT HELPING ANYONE!

You are in your opinion trying to do something good. Trying to get someone whose opinion you think is wrong see the 'right' way. I get this, I really do. Honestly I could even appreciate it if you hadn't started off your comment with:

"No. You need to shut your fucking mouth.
No.
Other people do not exist to fucking please your precious eyeballs."

Did you even think when you were typing this? I understand that you are very impassioned about this subject. I have absolutely no problem with that, but if you were trying to get her to see that she was wrong then you were dead wrong for being so ignorant about it.

At this point this isn't about you or even this topic. This is about how we say things to one another. On another pic in the MH fandom that impiled a malexmale relationship someone made a comment that balantly said that they were not cool with gay people.

This was not cool. Not by any standards. Some of my best friends in life are gay and I think that if being gay or bi is a part of them than being gay must be a wonderful thing because it helped to make the people closest to me as special as they are.

However, this person got so attacked that at some point he was no longer in the wrong.

Spreading hate to the haters doesn't solve anything. Just creates more hate.

And I was really hoping that that's not what the MH community was all about.

Personally I can actually see both sides of this argument so please don't feel that I am attacking you because I really don't mean to. Yes big people get crap, they do and I've seen it. But I've also seen all my pretty beautiful skinny friends tell me their not good enough.

EVERYONE GETS BULLSHIT. Unfortunately this is probably one of the only subjects we are all equal in. Please don't favor one group over another just because they seem to have the worst end of the deal. Stop arguing with this person and go outside and tell someone that they are beautiful.

No matter who they are, just they someone that they matter. That would do a million times more good than what is being done here.

I want to cry right now. Not because my day got rained on by some nasty comments I choose to look at but because nothing is being done.

Please in the future watch how you say things. If you try to tell me that I am wrong about something and I reply with a fuck you then nothing NOTHING will ever get done.

Still I am not saying that anyone is right here because honestly you're both wrong. Yes people should have the right to dress how they want, but if you see a bunch of people making fun of someone behind their back tell them before they have to hear it the hard way.

I really don't know what else to say except for the fact that this shouldn't have happened, this is pointless, and it needs to stop now. Stop wasting your energy on this pointless bullshit and go DO something.

I will, I don't like talking to people. Its hard for me so I can't do as much as I would like but I promise myself that I will make someone feel good about themselves by the end of this week.

p.s. You'll probably notice at some point that I am friends with In fact we are very good friends who see each other everyday. This is not about me speaking for her. Honestly I could care less if she says anything else because I am tired of this crap. This is my own opinion in my own words and I will not apologize for them.

Have a blessed day, and know that despite our differening opinions I am sure that somewhere in you heart that you are beautiful to.

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GreenTeaDeer In reply to PawzDandy [2011-09-25 21:04:52 +0000 UTC]

It doesn't matter how nicely she says "Fat people should wear what I personally thinks looks good on them regardless of what they think looks good on themselves." It's still an asshole sentiment. It doesn't matter if she was trying to be nice. It's still an asshole thing to think to say.

And it doesn't matter how I say things, all that matters is what I say. What you're doing is called the "tone argument" and it's a low form of a derailing tactic that does nothing to refute the points made and simply dissmisses the argument based on how it is said.From an article:

"The next level up we start to see responses to the writing, rather than the writer. The lowest form of these is to disagree with the author's tone. E.g.

I can't believe the author dismisses intelligent design in such a cavalier fashion.

Though better than attacking the author, this is still a weak form of disagreement. It matters much more whether the author is wrong or right than what his tone is. Especially since tone is so hard to judge. Someone who has a chip on their shoulder about some topic might be offended by a tone that to other readers seemed neutral.

So if the worst thing you can say about something is to criticize its tone, you're not saying much. Is the author flippant, but correct? Better that than grave and wrong. And if the author is incorrect somewhere, say where."


And no, your skinny friends do not have it as hard as fat people. I've already explained that there is an entire culture out there against fat people. Skinny people are privileged. [link]
^ Privilege checklist is here.
It's insulting to just fluff off the pain fat people go through with "oh well we all have it rough." Because skinny people do not have it AS rough. It's just the honest to god truth. Skinny people get to see themselves on T.V presented as beautiful, skinny people aren't discouraged from wearing what they want because it isn't "flattering", Skinny people get to hear their body size used as a compliment, skinny people will not be asked why they don't change the size of their body, etc etc. If skinny people think they look bad, it's also usually because they do not think they are skinny ENOUGH. Skinny is desirable.

Your friends opinion is extremely fucking harmful and contributes to a culture where fat people aren't allowed to exist without meeting certain qualifying factors, and even then they are still ostracized at every turn.
no matter how nice she is putting it, her entire point still boils down to her wanting to have control over how fat people present themselves so that they do so in a way that pleases HER, regardless of how comfortable the actual person wearing the clothes are. That can not be a nice sentiment regardless of how sweet or polite or helpful she's trying to be.

This isn't a matter of opinion because we aren't discussing things like ice cream flavors. We're talking about people's right to their own self. You're friend thinks she should have an opinion on what other people do with themself and that her opinion should be respected more than what the fat person wants. On what other people do. With themselves. As if it's her business. Because SHE wants them to look good. With her opinion, which is apparently universal. This isn't just a differing of opinions. This is me thinking fat people should be left alone and be free to wear what they want regardless of what other people think looks "good" in them, and her thinking people should cater to her beliefs of what looks good and wear that because her opinions are superior.

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PawzDandy In reply to GreenTeaDeer [2011-09-26 01:41:17 +0000 UTC]

NO YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH I'M RIGHT AND YOUR TOTALLY WRONG AND YOU'RE A SHIT HEAD FOR THINKING WHAT YOU THINK!

Are you still going to tell me that your tone doesn't matter?

I was simply trying to tell you that if you talk some trailer trash hobo that no one if going to fucking listen what you have to say.

See how horrible I sounded. Are you really ever going to want to listen to that?

And f.y.i I am one of the people you keep fighting for. So I know what am talking about when I can see both sides.

are you even going to take my suggestion about making someone feel good? Did being the better person ever matter?

I told you that I think you are both wrong I never once said she was right. Honestly it fucking hurts being told that I don't look good. However if a friend tells me that I can look better I can take the advice because I know they care about me. See, both sides? I get it.

Honestly, I am angry right now so everything I'm saying is probably muddled but I am still going to try to talk to you like you are a human being because guess what? You are one, just like the rest of us and your opinion doesn't mean shit to the world just like mine.

So what if you think she's wrong, fine she's wrong. All I tried to do is tell you to be the better person. To do something about the issue instead of arguing with some random person on the internet.

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER OKAY

And no I am not fucking talking about the original topic, yes it is a very serious one but the whole conversation is so retarded that no one fucking cares.

And honestly, no you shouldn't have to sugarcoat your words just to tell the truth. What you do need to do is talk like you got some mother fucking sense so people will actually listen to your ass and what you have to say.

And yes I actually looked at the link because despite being angry and frustated I am trying to at least hear what you are saying.

NO ONE'S BODIES LOOK LIKE THE BODIES IN THE MAGAZINES, TV, ETC! How many times do I have to say that everyone get's crap. You simply cannot call anyone an asshole for ignoring the rights of one group when you blow off another.

Please take my earlier advice and try to DO something by making someone feel good. I actually meant it when I made that promise to myself. This conversation means nothing. Making one of those "fat people" know that they are loved and cherished for who they are will.

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GreenTeaDeer In reply to PawzDandy [2011-09-26 01:59:38 +0000 UTC]

"NO YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH I'M RIGHT AND YOUR TOTALLY WRONG AND YOU'RE A SHIT HEAD FOR THINKING WHAT YOU THINK!"
This isn't tone. This is name calling, a seperate thing form tone.

"DH0. Name-calling.

This is the lowest form of disagreement, and probably also the most common. We've all seen comments like this:

u r a fag!!!!!!!!!!

But it's important to realize that more articulate name-calling has just as little weight. A comment like

The author is a self-important dilettante.

is really nothing more than a pretentious version of "u r a fag.""

[link] More info on stuff like this. It's basic arguing 101.

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Please take my earlier advice and try to DO something by making someone feel good. I actually meant it when I made that promise to myself. This conversation means nothing. Making one of those "fat people" know that they are loved and cherished for who they are will."

This is derailing
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nothing you have said has at all talked about any of the points I made.
All you have talked about is how mean I am.


"NO ONE'S BODIES LOOK LIKE THE BODIES IN THE MAGAZINES, TV, ETC! How many times do I have to say that everyone get's crap. You simply cannot call anyone an asshole for ignoring the rights of one group when you blow off another."

And how many times do I have to say that the crap skinny people gets is not equal to the crap fat people get. Skinny people should definately NOt be ignored or treated badly. But mistakenly saying "WELL i say this to SKINNY friends so therefore it's okay to say to my fat friends. I'd tell my SKINNY friends they look like shit, so I'll tell fat people they look like shit" will ignoring how reality works towards skinny people and fat people is ridiculous. Once again. Your friend's skinny friends will not be told on a constant basis that they look like shit because they are skinny. fat people ARE told on a daily basis that they look like shit because they are fat. They ARE told that they can't wear X Y or Z because they are fat. Skinny people are not told this. This is IMPORTANT, and can not just be fluffed aside. To justify saying "you don't look good in X" to fat people by saying you would say it to skinny people does not make sense because Skinny people do not already have to deal with that. It's like those people who justify being racist and sexist by saying "WELL I HATE WHITE PEOPLE AND MEN TOO" as if white people and men have to put up with anywhere NEAR the same level of shit that women, non-binaries, and POC do in everyday life. It simply will not affect them in the same way.

Everyone gets crap. They do. But they crap is not equal and you are treating it like it is. Context is important.

i get it.
you like your friend you wanan stikc up for them.
but don't do it by throwing fat people to the wolves. Cuz in the end, if some tries to tell YOU or your friend what to wear because they don't like bigger people wearing x and that bothers you,insults you, or hurts you, it's people like me that is gonna tell them to leave you the fuck alone because you deal with that enough and your opinions of yourselves matter more than their opinions of you. Your friend messed up by deciding her opinion of what fat people should and shouldn't wear is universal and that fat people should comply with her demands because SHE wants everyone to look their best.

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PawzDandy In reply to GreenTeaDeer [2011-09-26 02:33:18 +0000 UTC]

I went into this saying that I wasn't going to talk about this arguement. So I can apologize for not really touching on your points but I said in the beginning that I wanted to talk about tone and how pointless this arguement is in the first place.

I am no expert on debating. I didn't think that I was trying to use dirty tactics but if it walks like a duck I guess... but in all honestly I actually do want to know if you are going to do anything about the issue you seem so eager to argue about.

I am not trying to attack or insult you but talk to you, one human being to another.

The only thing that I honestly say I have a problem with from your message is that you keep pointing out how to talk to people when you yourself said that it doesn't matter how you say things.

Here is my honest to god opinion on this topic if you care to know:

Some people don't know how to dress. It doesn't matter what their size race or gender is they look butt ugly in some of the stuff they wear. Do I say anything? No. Cuz people can wear whatever the fuck that want. At the end of the day I don't have to look at them, and they don't have to look at me.

Honestly you are trying to make a point, so was I. We both kind of blew off what was actually inportant to the other person. I will apologize for that.

All I want is for you to go out and Do something about this mess. Not because I want you to stop talking or to be right or anything retarded like that.

I want you to do something because you actually seem to care about the people you are talking so passionately about and they are what's really important, not our petty back and forth.

I made a promise to myself to make someone feel good about themselves. While I still think we disagree on certain things I am trying to take away something good from this experience.

Again I know that I have not touched upon the points you made. I have a friend who is very beautiful by society's standards, I had to watch her to make sure that she didn't kill herself because her own family constantly told her that she wasn't good enough. She is a size 10 with a triple D chest size. I am simply too bias to say that skinny people's crap doesn't matter.

Thankfully she is alive (did not wan to end on that depressing note) But yeah I am pretty sure that talking on the interent doesn't really help. I will reply mostly likely out of curtisy because it'd be rude to not acknowledge anything you say especially when I am asking you to listen to me but as far as I am concerned I have said what I will and made my decision on what I am going to DO.

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GreenTeaDeer In reply to PawzDandy [2011-09-26 02:41:22 +0000 UTC]

"Some people don't know how to dress. It doesn't matter what their size race or gender is they look butt ugly in some of the stuff they wear."

And what I am trying to say is that you may not think they look good. But other people do. So telling some one how to dress based on your opinion is very wrong to do. Your friend said that they want Gail to wear things that are "flattering" and fit her body, yet both Candy and I, and countless others believe that Gail looks fabulous in this outfit. So your friend is putting her personal opinion of what looks good above everyone else's and trying to make an ultimatum based on her subjective thoughts of what fat people should and should not wear.Right now, I'm trying to talk as calmly as possible cuz there's some other stuff goin on in my life right now so I'm kinda shakin from anxiety. My problem was that your friend was putting her personal opinion of what fat people should wear above their own personal opinions of what they look good in. And fat people really, really do get enough of the media and society telling them what they can and can not wear. Your friend throwing her hat into the ring just makes fat people's lives worse. It's rude to think that your own personal desire to see other people look good is more important than their own comfort and their own opinions on how they look. It doesn't matter how nicely you tell a fat person that you don't think that outfit looks good on them because they're fat. The bottom line is you are still trying to tell them that they can't wear certain things due to their size regardless of their own opinion on how they look in it.

If it wasn't for the fact that I have Social Anxiety Disorder and therefore can't leave my house let alone talk to people, i would be going to marches and stuff to end sizism and make lives better. But really all I can do is internet activism because of my disablity. So I get how you think that this isn't making a difference but to me, this is something. This is me fighting harmful opinions, one by one.

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PawzDandy In reply to GreenTeaDeer [2011-09-26 03:24:17 +0000 UTC]

first of all thank you for telling me about your disorder. No I am not going to treat you differently for it because that would be wrong but it is something that I can now take into consideration when I ask you do things like go out and do stuff when you actually can't.

I also appreciate you talking calmly to me. That's all I ever wanted. For my friend as well as myself. I still think that when you start off a conversation as rudely as you did with my friend that it won't do any good but I was never trying to say to not talk about what you believe.

Just try to do it more nicely.

And I don't say things to people because I perasonally know that no matter how nice you say somehing some things just can't be said without feelings being hurt.

I think the biggest miscommunication here was that maybe you might assume that my friend goes around telling other people that they are ugly. She doesn't, I can only speak so much for her because at the end of the day we are two different people. I think she meant that in her relm of people she cares about that she wouldn't let a friend go outside looking like trash. This is something that I will always respect about her because she means the best and it does not hurt the people she loves.

I know that this is on a much smaller insignificant scale but I have a hard time talking to people on dA about their MH OCs. This is because if I don't say that I 100% love everything about them them I am attacking the artist.

I was so happy when I got up enough courage to give someone a tip on how to make the art work look better (because in all honesty it looked terrible) and she took the advice and was greatful. I think that's maybe what my friend was going for. But again I am not her. I honestly don't even know if she'll reply to you or not.

Because you can't go out I'll change my advice. If someone is brave enough to post a picture here them that it's lovely. Just tell some one you care (and not that send this to ten friends bull crap lol) but a nice personal message.

Hmm at the time that my friend first posted her comment I was with her. I saw that people liked Gail so I can see what you are trying to say. I think for that particular picture I have to agree with my friend though. Gail is beautiful, sometimes her clothes are not and it holds her back. (although the beach one was the only thing I didn't really like)

I guess what matters is that their are people who think that gail is beautiful no matter what. Kuroikitsu accepted that candy and her had differing opinions and moved on. I hope that you can move from this to.

I know I keep bringing this up but please in the future, know that you tone does matter. You sounded rude before and not willing to listen to what anyone would have to say. People will not listen to you if you can't be civil about things.

Hope we can put this behind us and all move on, hopefully to making things better and spreading more love then hate.

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GreenTeaDeer In reply to PawzDandy [2011-09-26 03:26:46 +0000 UTC]

I'll keep all of this in mind and try to save my anger for the outright hateful people.

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PawzDandy In reply to GreenTeaDeer [2011-09-26 03:49:24 +0000 UTC]

Awesomesauce! But I wouldn't waste my time getting angry so not worth it. Just keep spreadin the message and the love will out weigh the hate, then they'll know there's no point.

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Candy2021 In reply to kuroikitsu [2011-08-15 02:55:32 +0000 UTC]

No, No I totally hear what you are saying.

but I DO wish you would have chosen to comment on the dawn of the dance picture because that one WAS about her weight- this image was just Gail at the beach.

but me and you do seem to have a difference in opinion one one thing. I DO feel that plus size people can wear anything skinny people can. and I absolutely can not stand for one second the mentality that fat people should cover up so that their fat rolls don't hang out and offend others... I could give a rats ass about offending others, if I'm comfortable with my fat hanging out- then let the fat hang. I do not put Gail in anything I myself would not wear. I'm sick of seeing the plus size population being forced to wear tents and ponchos and stuff that covers and hides their figure. and it disgusts me that the very IDEA of a fat girl wearing a bikini is so very taboo.

I would TOTALLY wear this bathing suit to the beach- not PEACH of course because I think it's a horrendous color ( on me, it works for green skin) but something high waisted that cover the pouch, with a cute little skirt so my crack doesn't show. I'd be all about that ( if companies made bikinis in that size) and yes I'd wear it proud, with my back rolls hanging out, my cottage cheesy cellulite riddled legs on display- because that is me and I am comfortable with me and if other people don't like to look at it they don't have to...but the idea of covering up for someone else's benefit is absolutely insane. it's the beach, it's hot and when it's hot the human body wants as little amount of clothing on it as possible. thus why the bikini exists. the Tankini is a JOKE to me, just an excuse for self conscious average weighted women to hide the tiny bit of flab they have. if you want to wear a 2-piece just wear a damn bikini...Hell if Gail wasn't 15 I would have drawn her at a nude beach.

and a little FYI for you....I didn't draw Gail in this pose because it hides anything- I drew it because the first pose I tried came out looking terrible...this was plan B ( Plan A was her standing in the water about to hit a volley ball, full frontal fat and all) but half way through your message it DID start to get a bit muddled I'm afraid " draw her in things that fit" - uhm?...I DO?...I've drawn chubby characters in clothing that does not fit them / is too small for them it looks like this - [link] AND I've drawn chubby ladies in practically nothing - [link] and "don't draw her smaller?"...DO I? have I?...I try to keep her weight consistent- if anything this image of her is the biggest I've done yet.

you got me on one thing though- I DO point out that shes chubby a lot... but there is a reason for that- this fandom the MH fandom is so young and so ignorant- they don't even notice there is a problem of weight discrimination in the media AND in the very fandom they love so much! so that's why I call attention to it- because even I a big girl since childhood never noticed a problem until someone else pointed it out to me. (the irony here being that the person who pointed it out to me was a tall skinny white women with large breasts...go figured)

I COULD reference plus size catalogs but quite frankly I HATE most plus size fashion catalogs because they are all about how to hide the figure, or how to slenderize, how to elongate this or cover that up- it's all about hiding and creating illusions to make a big body appear smaller...and that is an idea I just can not support. because it implies the body that the clothing is one would look better if it was slimmer...it's not an idea I am comfortable with supporting and again, I only put Gail in outfits I myself would feel comfortable wearing. ( I would wear short skirts ALL THE TIME If I also had an arsenal of leggings to prevent chub rub)

if you want to make a plus size chracter- do it...if you don't?...don't... you shouldn't do it BECAUSE of me or anything like that...as for Gail's personality...well...she IS only a month and 3 days old...& she has only been in a whole 2 and a half panels of comic... so what exactly do you know about her yet that is enough to establish her personality?

No worries I am not mad or offended by your comment, I actually commend you for speaking so maturely and well thought out I appreciate it! I invite ANYONE regardless if they support my ideas or not to question my logic from time to time and if you feel a course of action I have taken is not the wisest I invite you to tell me so.

I may not always agree with it, but I WILL always explain my reasoning behind things in the hopes that you can understand why I do what I do.

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