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"I honestly don't really like Millie. She never had much appeal to me and I feel like she was too mean to Blossomfall, but I can understand why she was acting the way she was."or
"I don't think Millie deserves all the hate that she gets. She's done some bad things but everyone makes mistakes."
Ok cool.
"ANYONE WHO LIKES MILLIE IS FUCKING STUPID. CAN'T THEY SEE HOW MUCH OF A BITCH SHE WAS?"
or
"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU INSULT MILLIE. SHE'S FUCKING PERFECT. SHUT UP AND GO DIE."
sToP.
So recently I received some comments from Millie supporters and it encourged (for the lack of a better word lol) me to redraw this:
and rehash my opinions on Millie.
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My opinions on Millie have changed a bit over the years; I don't hate her as much as I used to, but I still dislike her. [LENGTHY RANT AHEAD I'M SORRY; skip to the cut if you'd like]
My anger against her have fizzled because I've seen people bring up a few good points. She brought Graystripe back home. She was only worried about Briarlight because she had almost lost her two times before. She acted the way she did against Blossomfall because of her stress. I could go on.
I mean, compared to Rainflower, Millie is an absolute ANGEL.
Although I am completely aware of these points, personally, Millie has never been much of an appealing character. Here are my reasons :
First off, I will not use the argument "Millie stole Graystripe from Silverstream" because Silverstream has consented Graystripe's relationship with Millie and supports it. (and the fact that the Erins confirmed Graystripe will choose Silverstream when he enters StarClan is punishment enough for Millie lol... Graystripe and Millie's relationship in the novels wasn't that great anyways.)
Millie...just doesn't do much. I haven't read the books in a long time, but from what I recall, I don't think Millie has done anything significant after she brought Graystripe home (but even so, Graystripe just doesn't seem as fun of a character at all when he comes back, compared to the original series). The only think I remember her for is fussing constantly for her kits and sharing prey with Graystripe.
Millie coddles Briarlight excessively. Yes, I understand that she almost died twice, but doesn't that in a sense show Millie that she's a fighter? Jayfeather is there to take care of her and Briarlight has shown to be strong and independent.
There are other mothers in the series who have experienced traumatic events with their kits. Frostfur was the mother of Cinderpelt AND Brightheart, yet she didn't go hysterical and yell her other children. (YES, i get that Frostfur was born a clan cat and is used to violence and injuries, but she had two of her own kits mangled and defaced and still remained calm and loving to her other children.)
I've seen people say that Blossomfall is a bratty attention whore and that she's the bad guy. People compare her to Bumblestripe and say that he didn't care if Millie ignored him. I agree that she was acting a bit childish, but every cat has their individual personalities and what they deem "acceptable behavior" from their parents. It's like that when they were kits, Blossomfall grew accustomed to being pampered by her mother. That's why when Millie started ignoring her, Blossomfall felt neglected and jealous. Sometimes, you can't help those feelings. Blossomfall herself has said that she felt guilty for having them.
Then Blossomfall and Ivypool went into the tunnels. Blossomfall openly expresses "Will Millie miss me if I die down here?". She's truly insecure about how her mother views her. I don't think that this is "bratty". A lot of children who are ignored by their parents will doubt their love for them and make them feel neglected. When they return, Millie does something that I really don't like. She berates Blossomfall, confirming Blossomfall's fears and making her believe that Millie would not have missed her if she had died in the tunnels.
Millie says that what they did was irresponsible, which I agree to; they were wasting their time and were being dumb. But then she goes on to her to "grow up and become a proper warrior." Um. Proper warrior? Millie, who stays back in the clan and whines and cries and coddles Briarlight apparently know what it means to be a proper warrior. I don't remember seeing Millie go out and hunt for Briarlight, so why does she so strongly feel as though Blossomfall has to?
She goes on to say that "Briarlight would do anything to help feed the clan." Ok, way to go. Not only are you making Blossomfall feel like you wouldn't care if she died, but now you're comparing her to Briarlight. THE VERY THING THAT SHE IS FEELING GUILT ABOUT. that is one big no-no. (correct me if I'm wrong, I read this on the wiki) Brackenfur even approaches Millie and says that the important thing is that they're safe. She then proceeds to yell at him.
People have said "Well, Blossomfall should've confronted her mother about it." But after all those things that Millie has said, would Blossomfall really have felt secure enough to open up to her mom? Also, shouldn't Millie be the ADULT and talk to Blossomfall FIRST?
I don't really remember what time frame the above scene took place, but it also unnerves me. Blossomfall isn't the one who confronts her mother about the injury. She didn't want to take her mother's "attention". Hazeltail has to be the one who calls her and tells her "Hey, I think your daughter's sick." Millie then waves her of in a very "I DON'T GIVE A SHIT" way and says "What? She's fine. I have to go check on Briarlight." Really? Briarlight can live a five minutes without your attention. What ticks me off is that Millie doesn't even take a second to walk over and ask what's wrong.
tbh, I would like Millie a lot more if the Erins had included some sort of scene where she and Blossomfall console in eachother and apologize. But sadly it never happened. Afterwards, Millie just seemed indifferent to the whole situation.
I guess all of my reasons above are invalid if you play the "she was hysterical" card, but eh, those who defend Millie would have found a way to counter me anyways.
tl,dr; I have no doubt in my mind that Millie loves her kits. I know she does. She's not a terrible mother, but for the reasons above she's certainly not one of the best either. I can understand why people like her and that's totally ok! I just personally am not fond of her.
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Point is, people who are allowed to love Millie have all the right to. They are allowed to defend her and admire her. Likewise, people who dislike Millie are entitled to their opinion and are allowed to express why.
What is not ok is when you get disrespectful and personal about it. Do not insult someone personally because of their preference or dislike for a character. Do not wish death upon them. Do not get overly passionate about trying to change someone's mind about a character. Do not get butthurt over FICTIONAL CATS.
I'm actually thinking about closing the comments on the old drawing. I've looked through them the other day and it's a bit of a mess. x'D
Feel free to leave your opinions, but please be tasteful and respectful. 'preciate it.
aa well i wasted 45 minutes typing that and now im tired. sorry if there are grammar/spelling mistakes anywhere i will proofread later.
g'day.
do not use, redistribute, repost my art and/or my characters without my permission thanks
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Comments: 488
Spinnenpfote6 In reply to ??? [2016-01-27 17:27:44 +0000 UTC]
Okaaay, despite my hate on Millie in this scene, I will focus on your art...
First, I noticed that you changed your style and shading a bit (yes, I noticed it "early" XD) and I like it very much. ( I think it changed with "Try and hit me, Jayfeather!") Your cats don´t only look "kawaii" anymore, they now look a bit more serious and misterious with the shading, which lets it look more like a dramatic scene from Warriors. (Don´t worry, they will always look cute! <3)
I like how you made the grass and bushes with different shadings of green and the bark of the trees looks so special, that it really fits your style. I also like how you draw the ears so fluffy and round and the fur on the chest, it makes it look fluffy and more realistic, without loosing too much of your own style.
Then, I always love the colours you use for their eyes, they look so clear, deep and they make the eyes look like they are glowing. <3 You also draw the eyes a bit smaller now, so sad and angry (and bad) cats can express their feelings better, without looking to cute to be taken serious, that´s really good! (That´s why Scourge now really creeps me out in your new pictures XD)
Although I don´t imagine them like that, I also support your designs of the characters, for example in this picture the design of Hazeltail, it looks beautiful. I also like the patches on Blossomfall´s fur, they really look like blossoms <3.
Buuut, I also have some criticism, not much, and since almost everyone argues about Millie instead of noticing the art, I will do it. Well, the wound on Blossomfall´s shoulder looks a bit too much like one made by claws, not like a wound she got in the tunnels. Another thing is, that maybe you should do the muzzles a bit shorter, because Blossomfall looks a bit like a fox to me ( ). Also maybe you shold do white patches a bit more white than silver (or maybe it looks like that because the gray is so bright.) and the dirt on Blossomfall´s fur more clearly. (Didn´t she also got a wound on her head in the tunnels?)
That was pretty much my only criticism, but one thing confuses me: Wasn´t Ivypool with Blossomfall, not Hazeltail? That´s why I first thought it was Ivypool next to Blossomfall, because in your first version it says that it´s Hazeltail. And I know that you have got another design for Ivypool.
In the end, another thing that you improved since the first version of this picture: The expressions. Blossomfall doesn´t look angry and vengeful anymore, she looks more hurt and sad with a bit of anger, as if she feels like being rejected by her mother. Millie now looks more bored and disinterested by Blossomfall, barely even noticing her wounds. I have to say that in the last version she looked kind of bitchy, just like I always imagined her in this scene, but now I see it different. Hazeltail looks like she is just bitter, sad and unbelieving about his scene, instead of almost looking like she has to apologize to Blossomfall.
You did a very good job of improving, keep drawing, it always looks awesome!
- Spinnenpfote6
(Hope my English is not too bad )
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CascadingSerenity In reply to Spinnenpfote6 [2016-01-28 04:25:05 +0000 UTC]
thank you very much for the comment! you seem to have put a lot of thought into it and i really appreciate the criticism!
i'm trying pretty hard to get away from the "kawaii" style as much as possible so i'm glad to hear that you've noticed it . ;v ;;
ahaha you're right the wound should be less "scratch" looking. i copied it directly from the old picture and completely forgot about the logic behind the wound. and yes, i definitely need to refine my muzzle anatomy; i will keep that in mind for my next drawings!
i think it was hazeltail; i know that she went to the tunnels with ivypool, but it was hazeltail who came up to her afterwards asking if she was alright. :00
(and your English isn't bad at all! it's very good! ^^)
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Spinnenpfote6 In reply to CascadingSerenity [2016-01-29 13:18:25 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! :3
Yeah, the new pictures look different, but I like this mixture between cute and serious, it really fits^^
Lol, I know, I did the same one time, but don´t worry, you don´t see it that much in your picture.
I´m looking forward to your next pictures! <3
Ah, okay, I just had that scene in my mind when Ivypool was standing next to Blossomfall, my mistake
(That´s great XD)
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Kittykittyartist124 In reply to ??? [2016-01-23 20:53:34 +0000 UTC]
Hazeltail should of have been Blossomfall and Bumblestripe and Briarlight's mom, not that jerky crapface Millie...
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ThatOneWarriorsFan In reply to Kittykittyartist124 [2016-03-06 00:58:04 +0000 UTC]
No.
Asexual Hazeltail is best Hazeltail.
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rabbity-thing In reply to ??? [2016-01-11 19:24:18 +0000 UTC]
I didn't like Millie at all, but I didn't mind people who like her.
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crookedstarrocks12 In reply to rabbity-thing [2016-03-05 17:44:58 +0000 UTC]
Same. I hate Millie, VERY MUCH, but I am close friends with some people who actually like-{bleh}-Millie. Also, I, the best person ever, have made one of my friends stop liking FireStar ANDD SpottedLeaf. Scoreee! Time for the next friend, she is naive because she has just started warriors xD IM HAPPY I BROUGHT PEOPLE TO THE WARRIORS COMMUNITYYYYY :]
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firepawstep In reply to ??? [2016-01-07 02:47:13 +0000 UTC]
go die mille me no
like
u
llamaz for life mille u treat your children like there gonna live forever : glares at briarlight : "umm me leave me alone atleast my momma care about me hehe " millie laughed . " shut up millie no one frekin like u :
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firepawstep In reply to firepawstep [2016-01-07 02:51:48 +0000 UTC]
sorry i rlly hate and dislike millie so bad that i rip everthing that has the word millie
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droppeddreams In reply to ??? [2016-01-03 00:13:54 +0000 UTC]
*Looks at this picture, then changes tabs with the old one and repeats 20 times*
*dies*
I-IMPROVEMENT ;O;
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Shaded-Velvet In reply to ??? [2015-11-05 00:19:38 +0000 UTC]
I don't like Millie anymore. A similar situation in Moth Flight's Vision helped me understand the Millie thing. I don't hate her though. I just dislike her.
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Mythical-Luz In reply to ??? [2015-10-18 06:19:31 +0000 UTC]
Wow, she sounds like a total female dog! D: But, I can't forget that she helped Graystripe when he was caged as a Kittypet.
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bearclaw63 In reply to Mythical-Luz [2016-03-25 21:53:00 +0000 UTC]
Hahaha female dog! My cousin said that in school once.........and I agree she is a female dog!
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NekoSerenity In reply to ??? [2015-10-17 02:19:57 +0000 UTC]
Soooo beautiful! Your styles improved so much over the years chu~ senpai!!! <3
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NekoSerenity In reply to CascadingSerenity [2015-10-17 23:11:28 +0000 UTC]
No prob I also totally agree...I find millie annoying...for no reason -_-
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TheGodOfCats91 In reply to ??? [2015-10-16 17:29:26 +0000 UTC]
I really love all your drawings! Your lighting,shading,colour and design are just SOOOOOO AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way I don't want to sound like I'm begging but I've maybe got an idea for your next drawing.You could do like an epic Last Hope battle scene with TigerStar and FireStar in a standoff! You don't have to just an idea anyway love the drawing!😀😀😀😀😍😍😍😍😍😍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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CascadingSerenity In reply to TheGodOfCats91 [2015-10-16 21:44:13 +0000 UTC]
aa thanks so much!
sadly, i don't have much inspiration to draw warriors anymore and will not likely take suggestions. i'm sorry!
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Maplecry In reply to ??? [2015-09-24 17:05:55 +0000 UTC]
I don't like Millie really, even from the little snippets I have read of her. Don't get sassy with me and say 'Oh, well you can't form an opinion of her without reading more of her than that' because it is proven that humans form an opinion of someone or something within 30 seconds of meeting them. Since I haven't met Millie personally, it doesn't work the same way, but you get the idea.
I am much more of a Greystripe and Silverstream. Since I was a late starter in reading the series, I was horrified when I found out Greystripe fell in love with Millie! I almost fell of my seat, it hit me with the feels. But besides that, Millie wasn't welcomed by me the minute she wasn't Silverstream, which is bias but true. However, I've grown to like Millie a little more when I heard that she helped Grey, but then it all came tumbling down again when she became a little bit insane.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so oh well... XD I had a little rant.
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Shaded-Velvet In reply to Maplecry [2015-09-29 21:07:53 +0000 UTC]
Just letting you know, I'm not going to attack you.
" I was horrified when I found out Greystripe fell in love with Millie!"
So.. Graystripe can't move on? He was depressed from Silverstream's death. Millie gave him love and happiness. Even if she does hurts Blossomfall, Millie at least deserves that from him.
also that is not insanity. Millie pretty much knew what was going on. being insane means you don't know what you're doing. Millie knew perfectly well what she was doing. the right word for this situation is stress. she was stressed from her daughter's accident and became overprotective, and blossomfall came back, saying they got "lost", which really wasn't specific and anything could have happened while she was "lost."
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Maplecry In reply to Shaded-Velvet [2015-09-30 16:09:39 +0000 UTC]
Yup, I was horrified! I almost fell off the chair I was sitting on. Yes, of course he can move on, you make a good point, but it still doesn't change my reaction. I think that the reason I reacted that way was because I read the books in a strange way (I started with no,6 of the first series, and then went back to the start) and when I did find out he took another mate I had never read any of the books or mangas with Millie in, so the idea that Greystripe had moved on to someone else was so amazing to me I was 'horrified', although that is an exaggeration. Of course I didn't do this: *GASP* SHOCK HORROR! HOW DARE HE!
Oops, sorry, 'insanity' isn't the right word! XD I think I was referring to what Cascading Serenity said? Did she use the work 'insanity' in her comment? Either way, it wasn't meant to be so harsh.
Thanks for not biting my head off!
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DrippingHoneycomb In reply to ??? [2015-09-11 23:03:49 +0000 UTC]
Know what I would love to see? Millie's death. Now wait, don't get angry at me! Here is how I want her to die:
I want her to see Blossomfall fighting something (cat, badger, or fox) and then leap in and help Blossomfall fight it. After it is gone Millie can stumble down onto the ground and say apologies and whatnot. Before Blossomfall can reply Millie dies. Blossomfall doesn't know what to think since she has trouble forgiving her mother, but also wants to know that her mother lives her. Maybe I will write a fanfic about this?
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Death-The-Kid48 In reply to ??? [2015-09-10 03:25:04 +0000 UTC]
Kate confirms that Millie still loves Blossomfall and Bumblestripe and wishes Briarlight weren't injured so she could spend more time with them.
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CascadingSerenity In reply to Death-The-Kid48 [2015-09-10 03:28:41 +0000 UTC]
i totally believe the first part.
the second part i'm a bit iffy since i'd really like to see that in the books instead of just something the erins stated because that tbh just sounds like them trying to cover up the millie shitstorm lolo
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Death-The-Kid48 In reply to CascadingSerenity [2015-09-10 03:37:46 +0000 UTC]
Know they're telling the truth.
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Shaded-Velvet In reply to Death-The-Kid48 [2015-09-29 21:11:49 +0000 UTC]
I like Millie but keep in mind that the erins go behind their word
for example, bramblestar wasn't originally supposed to happen
leafpool was supposed to be exiled
so it's hard to believe in what they say now
and just recently they just said that onestar and whitetail are not heathertail's real parents
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Death-The-Kid48 In reply to Shaded-Velvet [2015-09-30 22:52:23 +0000 UTC]
I believe what they say sometimes just like I believe this
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LinkCateGattaTina In reply to ??? [2015-09-09 23:59:09 +0000 UTC]
In the stsrt I liked her and I'm not a big fan of grsyxsilver, I ship her and graystripe more. But she start to dont notice blossom and only briar, I were hit in the feels: I have the same situaction and sometimes my parents say that I should to grown up and they only care about my brother. And now for this I hate her, but not like rainflower, I hate rain most
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TheLilacWolf In reply to LinkCateGattaTina [2015-09-19 13:05:02 +0000 UTC]
Is english a language your not good at?
Im not trying to be mean
but it doesn't look like your that good
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LinkCateGattaTina In reply to TheLilacWolf [2015-09-21 15:18:52 +0000 UTC]
u right, it isnt :/
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TheLilacWolf In reply to LinkCateGattaTina [2015-09-21 19:52:31 +0000 UTC]
It's okay ^^
I'm bad with spelling XD
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Colorless-Rain In reply to ??? [2015-08-24 22:04:26 +0000 UTC]
"HOW FUCKING DARE YOU INSULT MILLIE. SHE'S FUCKING PERFECT. SHUT UP AND GO DIE."
"SHUT UP AND GO DIE."
...
Why do people use those kind of insults. Why. It's just... ugh.
ANYWAY. Good job on the art! You've improved so much, it just puts me in awe. I really, really love this piece. The expressions are amazing, and all the details really amaze me. Keep up the good work!
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CascadingSerenity In reply to Colorless-Rain [2015-08-24 22:55:44 +0000 UTC]
i don't know. people just get so personal over other people's opinions on fictional cats i'm
aa thanks so much!! <3
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petalrulz In reply to ??? [2015-08-22 06:38:14 +0000 UTC]
I've always hated Millie < : (
Ever since Briarlight had her accident when the tree fell, Millie never payed any attetion to Blossomfall and spends every chance she can get with Briarlight and gets really over-protective of her.
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Shaded-Velvet In reply to ??? [2015-08-20 01:56:53 +0000 UTC]
I have no proof of this, so I'm not entirely sure if it's true, but I did hear on the forums that Millie and Blossomfall have apologized to each other. But, you know, even though the Erins have said this, I want to see this in the books, you know? Proof is better than just words.
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CascadingSerenity In reply to Shaded-Velvet [2015-08-20 02:03:02 +0000 UTC]
yeah, I've heard of that before. *o*
but you're right, i need to see it in the books before i can "canonically" accept it. when the erins just "state" something like this, it just seems like they're trying to awkwardly clean up the whole millie mess that they made.
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Werechicken22 In reply to ??? [2015-08-16 17:07:57 +0000 UTC]
I think Millie did that because she wanted Graystripe's attention because she knew when Graystripe will join Starclan he will choose Silverstream over her.
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