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Published: 2019-08-14 05:03:30 +0000 UTC; Views: 3499; Favourites: 42; Downloads: 0
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This little bit of conlanging was done on behalf of bensen-daniel of The Kingdoms of Evil for an alt-history idea of his known as the Saharan Seas . While that scenario is shelved for now, I have permission to post this little bit that came of it.

The idea of the Saharan Seas is that the Sahara Desert does not dry out, and so is never the Sahara β€œDesert,” but rather a milder land of large lakes, and numerous languages and civilizations unknown in our world - such as Podzran, the speech of a Hurrian-dominated Egypt.

As in the real world, the Hurrians of the Saharan Seas wrote in a cuneiform syllabary by pressing a stylus into clay tablets, creating wedge-shaped marks. However, once they settled in Egypt, they adopted the local practice of writing in ink with a reed pen on papyrus. While originally imitating the shapes of cuneiform wedges, over time these shaped were altered to better suit ink-writing, and ligatures evolved, radically changing the form of the signs.

This table presents the signs as they would be used to write Old Podzran. The forms are derived from the historic Hurrian cuneiform syllabic signs (and thence from Akkadian, and ultimately, Sumerian), with the loss of some signs. In particular, actual Hurrian sometimes distinguished /e/ from /i/ in VC signs like /el/ vs. /il/ - but not often, so I did away with that and let them collapse into a single series of signs. (Perhaps I should do it for CV symbols too, hm?) Nevertheless, the signs, and the way of spelling, would more closely resemble historic Hurrian than the newer Podzran, in much the same way that English spelling doesn't change and instead reflects centuries-old pronunciation.

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xMomentox [2023-12-10 22:22:45 +0000 UTC]

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conciliarityoftepat In reply to xMomentox [2023-12-13 10:17:21 +0000 UTC]

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rajavlitra [2021-12-09 11:10:49 +0000 UTC]

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conciliarityoftepat In reply to rajavlitra [2021-12-14 13:41:37 +0000 UTC]

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JohnRaptor [2019-08-15 03:23:32 +0000 UTC]

This is really cool! I did something similar with runes, but this looks much harder.

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conciliarityoftepat In reply to JohnRaptor [2019-08-16 12:25:03 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! Have you posted your runes online?

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JohnRaptor In reply to conciliarityoftepat [2019-08-16 14:49:06 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, this was an early attempt:Β 

And you can see some samples of the most recent version at the end of this:Β 

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bensen-daniel [2019-08-14 11:39:00 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much! This is a lovely alphabet. I took a stab at using it here:Β  www.thekingdomsofevil.com/?p=8…

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conciliarityoftepat In reply to bensen-daniel [2019-08-14 12:13:46 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, I was surprised to see a text from you so fast! I'm pleased with most of the signs, but after going over it again to prep for posting it, I think a few are unwieldy, and would be targeted for simplification in the evolution of the script.

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bensen-daniel In reply to conciliarityoftepat [2019-08-26 13:02:44 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! it was fascinating to take the script you invented and try to use it on the language I invented. A lot of things popped out at me!

There's definitely some optimization to be had from fiddling with the long vowels and geminate consonants. was, I now see, a terrible way to spell the ergative/plural/"and" suffix. One solution would be to use a "ditto" sign that would indicate the same suffix being used again. Or maybe suffixes get standardized into small, easy-to-write glyphs, leaving only root words to be spelled out phonetically. A sort of reverse-Japanese. Also I think I had later forms of spoken Podzran lose suffixaufnahme and collapse the suffixes into fusional case-endings. But that might be too Indo-European. Hm. If only I hadn't lost all my notes!

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conciliarityoftepat In reply to bensen-daniel [2019-09-15 02:43:14 +0000 UTC]

Oh no, you lost your notes!

One idea was a move toward a semi-alphabetic script. Already, a lot of the syllabic signs don’t distinguish e/i and o/u - so it would be easy for the columns to collapse completely, and for e/i signs to become interchangeable, and o/u signs to become interchangeable. At that point, to distinguish the sounds, the vowels would be written out in full with the vowel signs. I’d have to recheck the sound changes you sent me, but if there are any phonemic splits conditioned by following vowels, the CV signs would then be reinterpreted as being consonantal phonemic signs.

This has already basically happened with Hurrian /w/: Akkadian didn’t have w, so /wV/ was written consistently as u + a, e, i, o…

Of course, this would happen in step with the forms of the signs becoming even more simplified. Right now they still have so many strokes, they would be truly unwieldy if all the vowels were written out.

A gemination marker is an interesting idea - perhaps a sign representing a glottal stop?

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AvatarVyakara [2019-08-14 11:37:42 +0000 UTC]

Whew! What an utterly beautiful script. Might I ask what program you used to make it?

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conciliarityoftepat In reply to AvatarVyakara [2019-08-14 12:18:33 +0000 UTC]

Thank you. The signs themselves were drawn on paper with a nib pen (closest thing, I figured, without actually using a reed). I scanned them and composed the table in Inkscape.

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AvatarVyakara In reply to conciliarityoftepat [2019-08-14 13:33:08 +0000 UTC]

...huh. That actually makes a lot of sense. Nicely done!

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