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DanGref In reply to ??? [2015-02-26 13:29:27 +0000 UTC]

Nie powiem, żeby nie; według mnie Mesjasz, jeśli nie będzie istotą nadprzyrodzoną to będzie po prostu zwycięskim wodzem Wielkiej Wojny. Z reszta, ta koncepcja jakoś bardziej mi się "podoba".

Hmmm... cóż tu teraz rzec można: "piękny umysł" masz, jak nic! Ale to przejdzie: wąż zrzuci skórę a replikantów się odeśle na emeryturę Mój umysł przypominałby raczej estetyką sale tronową z HeliumCity na Barsoom; taki bizantyjsko-tajski eklektyzm z monumantalną nutką stylu rodem z Ennis House. Mój Tron Siedmiu Dusz miałby tylko tyle ekstrawagancji, że tworzące go posągi byłyby żywe, choć wykute z białego marmuru okutego w złoto a doradcami byłyby czarnookie Hurysy - dżiny służące 1001 oczu Boga zamieszkujących pozaprzestrzenne bioniczne piramidy, jak Ziggurat City z Dubaju.

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Dragon101k In reply to DanGref [2015-02-26 16:48:04 +0000 UTC]

Ale wtedy nie były mesjaszem. Mesjasz działałby na froncie dowodząc bezpośrednio, zamiast posyłać ludzi do bitwy z tyłów.

Tylko tobie twój umysł się nie śni, a mi tak. Czasem też pojawia się w postaci 2 kulistycb sfer zrobionych z trybików zegarkowych. Sfery się z sobą nie łączą, dużo w nich dziur i błędów, ale czasem sfery mogą się zbliżyć i połączyć w jedną, kompletną.

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DanGref In reply to Dragon101k [2015-02-27 15:21:18 +0000 UTC]

Judaizm postrzega osobę Mesjasza dość "egoistycznie" choć Majmonides wspominał za Izajaszem, że pokój i harmonia zapanuja pośród wszystkich narodów a jedynie Żydzi dostąpią owych szczególnych łask; odbudowa świątyni, zjednoczenie narodzu i pokój pod panowaniem mesjasza. Początkowo "pomazańcem" nazywano królów żydowskich, toteż nie widzę przeszkód by zwycięzca III Wojny Światowej ustanawiający Nowy Izrael i sponsorujący odbudowę Świątyni nie został uznany za Mesjasza. Chociarz zapewne wielu chrześcijan dostrzeże w nim raczej bestię apokaliptyczną; ta dwoistość fajnie została pokazana w 60 odcinku Millennium - pamiętasz jeszcze ten serial? Przy takim wzajemnym zacietrzewieniu wyznawców różnych religii to nawet by mnie takie wyjaśnienie nie zdziwiło.

Hmmm... pachnie mi to Rydwanem Boga z wizji Izajasza. Myśli często snują się w mrokach nieznanego po trudnych do ogarnięcia epicyklach; ich mnogość tworzy bajecznie barokowe wiry tajemniczych poblasków tonących w tłustej czerni. Noosfery jak armilarne astrolabia...

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Dragon101k In reply to DanGref [2015-02-27 19:08:18 +0000 UTC]

Nie wierzę, że żydzi podniosą się z popiołów. A przynajmniej pod swoim sztandarem. Kiedy w ciągu następnych 50 lat świat trafi szlak będą oni jednymi z pierwszych celów.

Trochę zbyt religijna interpretacja. Ja idę raczej z tym w neoklasycyzm w złocie i czerni. Nadzieja i zagrożenia. Ale moje barwy to beż i czerń, bowiem mym mottem jest "Nadzieja jest przereklamowana". (Beż = martwe złoto) Do pełnej interpretacji trzeba poszukać w grach komputerowych. Konkretnie w "Deus Ex 3: Bunt Ludzkości".

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Orantek In reply to ??? [2015-02-17 03:32:42 +0000 UTC]

As a child
You would wait
and watch from far away
But you always knew that youd be the one to work whyle they fight
In youd, youd lay... Awake at night at scheme
of all the thing that you would change
but it was just a dream

The time will come when you will have to rise
Abobe the best, improve yourself
your spirit never dies.
Farewell Had gone, to take my throne above,
But dont weep for me, cause this will be
the labour of my love

HERE WE ARE DONT TURN AWAY NOW
WE ARE THE WARRIORS THAT BUILD THIS TOWN
HERE WE ARE DONT TURN AWAY NOW
WE ARE THE WARRIORS THAT BUILD THIS TOWN FROM DUST.

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DanGref In reply to Orantek [2015-02-18 11:40:17 +0000 UTC]

Well said... I like Imagine Dragons too. Really nice idea for a soundtrack to this drawing

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Wierszownikk In reply to ??? [2015-02-16 20:13:25 +0000 UTC]

Cudne są te skrzydła u serafina
Bardzo dużo szczegółów tam upchnąłeś

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DanGref In reply to Wierszownikk [2015-02-18 11:41:28 +0000 UTC]

Dziękuje serdecznie. A i owszem; jest ze dwa tuziny ukrytych symboli i odniesień do różnych proroctw i religii. Dobry materiał na zabawę w Sherlocka Holmesa ;D

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ZiraAvaFury In reply to ??? [2015-02-16 19:39:00 +0000 UTC]

Zębatek kłania się u twoich stóp.hmmm to chyba sugeruje oddanie,wiernośc.reszty nie rozumiem

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DanGref In reply to ZiraAvaFury [2015-02-18 11:42:34 +0000 UTC]

Z Zębatkiem to i owszem, ale i nie tylko. Podpowiem: jeśli widzisz gwiazdy na niebie to spójrz na gwiazdy, których nie widać...

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queenofeagles In reply to ??? [2015-02-16 19:26:35 +0000 UTC]

oh. my. goodness!!! this thing is overflowing with spiritual meaning! all the little details... just wow. I am glad you realized this idea of yours, and shared it. it looks like an ambitious art project indeed, and you did it brilliantly! I just wish my knowledge of religion and symbolism was a bit bigger, than I knew what it all meant

I feel honored that you dedicated the angel to me thank you, that's really kind!

... first I wondered 'where is the night fury?' I didn't see him immediately

Now I am going to stare at it for a couple of hours or so, it's such an amazing piece! and I just keep seeing new details

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DanGref In reply to queenofeagles [2015-02-18 14:23:21 +0000 UTC]

You have no idea how happy am I hearing that you like this drawing so much! It was definitely one of the most ambitious projects in my all artistic carrier; maybe that's why I'm not fully satisfied from the effect ("Lullaby for Toother" was much better). But it was an experiment; many human characters in difficult poses, extraordinary light source ( the he that sat upon the throne) and long time of creation (I've been working on this drawing since October 2014). I hope that this drawing would be a good occasion to play into Sherlock Holmes; I could write a full description of this drawing - just like I've been doing with all past drawings - but it would be really loooooooong, so I've leave this to you with hope that someone will even try to find this all hidden symbols and understand theirs meaning.

That's nothing big, my dear. It was a pleasure for me! I love your angelic character Altair, just like all other amazing arts and when I've started to draw a Seraph I have immediately thought about you and your Altair; Altair is here, not literary but be sure that "Altair" has been depicted here too ;D I'm wondering, will you find it?

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queenofeagles In reply to DanGref [2015-02-19 10:23:58 +0000 UTC]

I think every artist has that; never being satisfied with his/her own work, especially if it involves a difficult piece. Big pieces have so much details/people/difficult light sources/whatever in them, there is always something that turned out a bit different than expected. Luckily, spectators think differently I think you did a wonderful job here, it's perfect  
since October? woow... I wish I had the patience and motivation to work on something for that long... I think I've never seen a piece by you that contains so many people; rather different than Toother How did that go? are you going to do that more often? 

I can imagine that the description would be quite long here... maybe you can drop a few hints or so I am afraid I will not find all the hidden meanings, I am not very good at playing sherlock

I think I know where Altair is; I just noticed that you made a brilliant accurate drawing of the night sky (seriously, the constellations and stars have exactly the right scale and brightness! It's almost scares me!) Altair must be there  

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DanGref In reply to queenofeagles [2015-02-20 15:56:19 +0000 UTC]

Yea... this "insatiability" is the best measurement of artistic ambition. So, maybe I'm too ambitious, cause I'm permanently unsatisfied from the standard of my works. But I understand that they are good and if so many people think that they really are I have to agree with this opinion. Let you know, that I'm proud of this drawing; especially cause of this hidden symbols and mysterious meaning of each element of this composition. It has so many layers that sometime I forget about some of them. It was definitely the hardest project until now! I hope that there will be even few crazy people, enough ambitious to look for all of them ;D

I still think about some drawing in color but I would need some color pencils or tablet to make it. It's an equally ambitious project which follow on my favorite book "Chronoliths" by Charles Robert Wilson. Maybe this summer I will try to make it. We will see.

That would be a huge, monumental text; 2-3 A4 pages! Links to Nostradamus propherties and Bible, to old mythology from different cultures and religion, description of some historical events and difficult calculations. It would be too much for most of people here! Just look at the comet; it has came form Bible (Ap. 12; 3-4) and Nostradamus prophecies (Cen. V; Quatr. 32 , Cen. VI; Quatr. 6 , Cen. I; Quatr. 69). Stars are also very important; as you may notice, starry sky is a 100% realistic map of northern hemisphere sky; its position has also a hidden meaning too, cause in winter sky looks different than in summer. And what about Altair: I advice you to look for him below the horizon (little hint - Altair in astrology is an angel who protect against poisonous beast.) In Jewish mythology, stars  are angels, that's why we say that God is a Lord of hosts; a commander of heavenly army, army of angels - army of stars, which march each day around the Earth on the dome of the sky and watch people.

Maybe now you will find more symbols easier and of course your dear angle - Altair!

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queenofeagles In reply to DanGref [2015-02-23 15:56:22 +0000 UTC]

You can also look at it from a different perspective; if artists would always be satisfied with their work, then there wouldn't be much motivation to improve as long as you don't have a really bad image of yourself and your skills, but you are proud of your work, so that luckily not the case here and I am sure that there must be someone somewhere staring at your drawing with a magnifying glass searching for all the hidden symbols!

oooh, colour! that would be awesome, but of course it's a choice you have to make; colour or greytones; it will be a great piece of art!

Damn, you can almost write a book about it... I admire it even more now, you must have done tons of research for it! maybe spread out over the years or so, but still; that impresses me just as much as the drawing itself

I think Altair would just be on the page if there wasn't a horizon. That bright star at the right side, next to the throne is Wega, am I right? It has been a while since I looked at a spring/summer night sky, and night skies are here nowhere near as dark as in your drawing I have to thank you by the way; your drawing has inspired me to draw a night sky as well. A winter sky, because I think Orion is such a pretty constellation
I didn't know Altair was an angel, or that all stars in Jewish mythology were angels, nice! I learned something new today

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DanGref In reply to queenofeagles [2015-03-02 17:04:58 +0000 UTC]

You're absolutely right; that's why I like this "insatiability" which require me to look for more ambitious ideas and improve myself as an artist. The thought that there are people, even few persons, who try to understand my arts and not only quickly watch them, gives me a hope and strength to create more stunning arts on the higher level of extraordinariness; cause if this art is just an another drawing and its true but hidden meaning is illegible for watchers there is no reason to make them more. No matter what we say, in fact, we always create arts for other people and the saddest thing which can happens to some artist is an incomprehension of his artworks. Fortunately, there are such a wonderful art connoisseurs like you, my dear, whose attention paid to artworks, which are not only a simple drawings but an artistic and intellectual challenges, is enough satisfying pay for such a work. Thank you, my dear for this; you show my that there was worth making this drawing for.

I hope that this year I will start a new cycle in my artistic activity; Chronoliths. I imagine this all color landscapes, exotic places and ruined cities above which are rising enormous monuments, deep-bleu mysterious crystal stone in human figure, clad in his own cloud, still partly covered by ice. I can't wait to draw this all pictures... I love this book!

Being honest, I was thinking about this, but long time ago. At the turn of the centuries, I was really crazey about prophecies and I was planing to write a story about the end of the world, according to Nostradamus and others prophecies; about comet impact, III World War and other stuffs - full long-time story. But after 9/11 I've realized that the real future will surprise me much more than I'm able to surprise my readers and even myself, so I have left this and focused on present.

You're right; that's Vega - one of the Summer Triangle's vertexes; others are Deneb and Altair. Deneb, the brightest star in constellation Cygnus is also depicted here in symbolic way, so if you'll find that "star"[!] you will find the third vertex - Altair.

And I agree that Orion is the most beautiful constellation: the Holly Gate to Underworld in Egyptian mythology, interpreted as an Osiris figure, god of death and underworld, walking through his kingdom on the dome of the sky under the line of ecliptic - the way of Sun which separate the World of Living-ones (above) from the World of Dead-ones (under). Mythology, not only Jewish, has so many stunning secrets...

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queenofeagles In reply to DanGref [2015-03-04 09:09:53 +0000 UTC]

As long as this insatiability is not that big that you’ll end up frustrated with everything you draw. Gosh, an uncomprehended artist is such a sad thing L but you are luckily not one of them can’t say that I understand everything in your drawing, but I am trying! Thanks

Ohhh, that sounds like an exciting project! Never read the book I am afraid, but I think I am going to change that if you are going to make fancy artwork about it you should do it, I am very curious about what you'll make!

The future is quite an unpredictable thing But it still might be worth a try to write it down, especially for someone like me who doesn’t know anything about prophecies. Comet impacts and world wars are fun! – in book form of course, not the real deal…

Woohoo, my stargazing skills have not completely left me! I considered studying astronomy for a while, but it turned out that I just love stargazing. Astronomy is a bit more abstract and less romantic than that, unfortunately. There is a star on your chest in the same place where Deneb is, is that it? If so, then Altair should be at your feet – like Toother? Feels like I am solving a puzzle here, I just have no idea if I am going in the right direction XD

I agree with that! Also funny how different cultures from all around the world create different stories about the same group of stars. I always thought Orion looked like an archer; apparently I am not the only one, according to Wikipedia

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DanGref In reply to queenofeagles [2015-03-20 16:55:35 +0000 UTC]

You're right. Frustration is very big danger if you want to play into "ambitious artist". I hope that I will never be such an artist... again. Now I just want to have a fun and artistic creation is my way to run out from my everyday problems. With empty sheet of paper and pencil in my hand I'm happy; I'm like a Plato's Demiurge - I can create whatever I want, I can do anything. Uncomprehending? Maybe. But I'm patient guy and I can wait for a long for that someone who will fully understand my art. But even now, watchers like you, my dear, are an enough good reason to say that I'm glad that I've made this picture and give you a pleasure of watching it.

Yea... indeed! When I finally get some tablet (or win a laptop, cause I'm waiting for results of literary contest in which I've joined) the firs digital art which I would made be the first chronolith from Chumphon. Oh, I can't wait to draw this...

Astronomy is so fascinating science; new worlds, magnificent miracles of nature, enormous beauty. It's so sad that in city stars are not visible as good as I wish to. In city man is "disconnected" with sky; artificial light and high buildings block out all view - I have missed Lovejoy comet, which I wanted to see in 2014. But today I have see a partal solar eclipse; here, in Kraków, for few minutes day has become a little bit darker; blue sky has change into gray, light has become weaker and shadows softer - I was really surprised that only 63% eclipse can be so well visible!

And you're right, my dear! Altair - an angel who protect against poisonous beast, like snakes and... dragons ;D Altair is exactly there wher is Toother's eye. Now you know how this all works!

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queenofeagles In reply to DanGref [2015-03-21 21:00:50 +0000 UTC]

exactly! art should be fun for the artist! that other people can enjoy it as well is some sort of a bonus; though it's much more fun if they like it as well, but artist's needs should go first!

ohhh, you can win a laptop? that sounds like a big contest! I'll cross my fingers for you and luckily tablets are getting cheaper and cheaper! Wacom used to dominate the tablet market (okay, they still do...) but there are a bunch of other brands popping up as well now.

True, and light pollution is the worst here... well, except for the western parts of the Netherlands and maybe for Belgium. I went to Bryce Canyon and went stargazing over there; gosh, I was blown away by the amount of stars you could see! I had trouble recognizing constellations XD I really miss that feeling...

I am jealous; it was clouded in the Netherlands during the solar eclipse. The sky looked a bit darker and more miserable than usual, that was it -_- we had 84% eclipse, such a shame no one could enjoy it.

Nice, I love the contradiction in that! Altair, protector against dragons, is a dragon in your drawing! I feel so happy now that I solved a piece of your artistic 'puzzle'

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kamawu00 In reply to ??? [2015-02-16 19:06:14 +0000 UTC]

mała furry ZĘBATEK !!!!!!

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DanGref In reply to kamawu00 [2015-02-18 11:42:53 +0000 UTC]

Taaa.... wiem. Słodki jest.

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kamawu00 In reply to DanGref [2015-02-18 13:47:26 +0000 UTC]

^^

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Avizo-23 In reply to ??? [2015-02-16 18:27:20 +0000 UTC]

i see a lot of spiritual feelings coming out of this personally, i see different religions interpretted and stuff, that's really cool!
also, took me a few minutes to notice the night fury there! XD this is an amazing peice! trully awesome!

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DanGref In reply to Avizo-23 [2015-02-18 14:26:41 +0000 UTC]

Thank you my dear! I'm really happy that you like this drawing, cause it's really different from everything what I have already done. It was an artistic and conceptual experiment and I'm not 100% satisfied from the effect. But it's nice to know that you, my dear, like it. Maybe it would be a good occasion to play into Sherlock Holmes and look for some of this hidden symbols; some of them might surprised you! Thank you for your kind comment!

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