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Description My view on abortion, my friend brought up the subject, and it inspired me to draw this.

I got some of the idea from America's Next Top Model. lol xD;; In one of their photoshoots, they did political issues, and a girl had this written on her stomach.

I used [link] as a slight ref. I changed the position a bit though.

Pro-choice all the way!

Do not use this image without my permission.
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daniellesylvan In reply to ??? [2012-02-09 02:56:10 +0000 UTC]

That is not the clinical definition of abortion.
Making up and exaggerating is not an appropriate way to express your opinion.
It is clear to me that you are very strongly pro-life. That's fine, I don't care if people are pro-life. But you need to calm down and realize how you are portraying yourself- as someone who is uneducated and immature in regards to the topic, and have probably been spoon-fed these "opinions" your entire life. I can have respect for opinions that people come to on their own terms, not those that are spoon-fed to you from birth.
And no, I am not in support of mudering children. I am in support of women having a right to their body.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-09 03:10:10 +0000 UTC]

Tell me if I'm wrong. But isn't the definition of abortion that they take the life from a not yet born child? Taking away the life of someone = murder, at least from what I know.
You support women having right to their body, but by extension you support murdering children. That's pretty heavy.

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-09 12:42:32 +0000 UTC]

Quoting from your post 'Taking away the life of someone = murder', wouldn't miscarriages, then, be considered manslaughter?

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-09 12:55:47 +0000 UTC]

If the woman has no control over the situation, why would it be murder? That's a stupid analogy.

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-09 13:52:02 +0000 UTC]

Um. I said manslaughter. Not murder. There is a difference.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-09 14:00:39 +0000 UTC]

I'm not English so I'm not familiar with the expression. I just assumed it had something to do with murder. What does it mean?

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 11:00:28 +0000 UTC]

It means unintentional murder.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-10 11:33:19 +0000 UTC]

I guess that analogy works then. She can't control a miscarriage, therefore it's obviously unintentional.

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 12:14:41 +0000 UTC]

Well, since you've agreed, can't the woman's body be treated like a crime scene? Would she have to be questioned about the details? Could she be tried?

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-10 12:46:04 +0000 UTC]

What are you talking about? We do that now! If a woman has mistreated her foetus she's put on trial. If she's smoked and drunk a lot so the foetus dies she can be put on trial. And that's only right.

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-11 05:04:01 +0000 UTC]

Um. I was referring to things like falling down the stairs.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-11 05:08:33 +0000 UTC]

Why would they be prosecuted? :S

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-11 05:20:26 +0000 UTC]

Just like in a manslaughter case, their body could be treated like a crime scene. The police would have the right to open up an investigation, as and when they liked. Is treating an unborn fetus as a person worth all that? Unborn fetuses fit the definition for parasites, you know. Just a funfact there.

Oh and are you Christian?

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-11 08:13:34 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I am. So what? What does that have to do with anything?
Isn't that pretty okay then? That authorities inspect if there has been mistreatment? What's wrong with that? That's like when the police check if there's been mistreatment when a child has been murdered, the same thing.
Why does the parasite thing change anything?

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-11 08:55:06 +0000 UTC]

It has nothing to do with anything. I was just curious.

Put yourself into the place of that woman. Would you want to have your body poked, prodded and probed? I hope not. If more women knew that this would happen. I'd bet they wouldn't support the idea of abortion being murder.

It doesn't change anything. As I said, it was just a funfact

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-11 09:16:37 +0000 UTC]

You probably just want to mock my faith.
If you where the father of a murdered chips would you want people poking and probing etc etc. They do get checked. Also, why would they poke? An investigation is in order so we can see tjat Therese was no bad shit going on. But probing and poking? Where did that come from?

No need to bring it up then.

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-11 09:38:19 +0000 UTC]

No, I don't want to mock your faith. And you would do well not to assume such things. I respect your faith and your beliefs, just as people do mine.

A murdered chips? What on earth is that? They would probe to see if any suspicious things were inside the body. Poking would be common, not to mention mild. You see criminals being manhandled everyday, don't you? Would you prefer the word 'prodding'? That works too.

-shrugs- I felt like typing it. It popped into my mind. So? It was simply a funfact.
'No need to bring it up'
That's like saying "Oh, it's just a murder. Nothing to do with us. There's no need to bring it up.".

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-11 17:26:43 +0000 UTC]

It was no reason to bring up religion into this debate. You just wanted to know so when you lose you can go "At least I'm not a Christian" or something and start bashing. That's my theory anyway, since why otherwise would you need to know that?

Are you seriously so stupid that you can't work out what I meant from the context? I'm not even going to say what I meant. I was on my phone and it autocorrected incorrectly.
Why would they poke around inside? Are you deliberately assuming wrong things? Of course there would be an investigation, but there are different investigations in case you don't know. The police don't go inside people's houses and start looting their things unless suspect something serious, why would they probe a miscarrying mother? Are you stupid or something?

It had nothing to do with this conversation, you just claimed that babies are parasites when it has nothing to do with this conversation. They are, but is that an argument? Then you do the most illogical thing you've done yet, you say that if I don't find it relevant I don't care about murder. How fucking stupid can you get?

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-12 00:19:00 +0000 UTC]

I don't bash Christians. Most of my friends ARE Christians. I wanted to know it because I was curious. Got it? Nah, I didn't expect you would. Oh well.

I don't appreciate being called stupid, thank you. In fact, you would be the stupid one for not proofreading your comment. It's not my problem if you're lazy. Again, I explained it already. I have no interest in repeating myself again. I know perfectly well there are different investigations. Please refrain from insulting my intelligence. And as for your last line, don't throw the word 'stupid' around so much. It makes you look like what you're claiming others to be Oh and by the way, I'm 'or something'.

Repeating yourself in a futile effort to win, I see. Aha! I never said it was relevant to the topic. Read through ALL my comments. I never said it was relevant. Please don't put words in my mouth. Goodness! A swear word! Someone report it! I make my points without swearing or the use of derogatory put-downs. You, on the other hand, have proven that you cannot. Therefore, have a good day/night/afternoon/evening. I don't want to continue arguing with someone who won't listen. If you treat this as me admitting defeat, go ahead. If you think I've run out of good arguments and I'm trying to 'save face', sure. Think what you want. I. Don't. Care. Have a great rest of your miserable life!

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-12 02:30:11 +0000 UTC]

It didn't belong in this conversation. If you wanted to know if I was a Christian or not you could have asked me elsewhere. It does or did not belong at all.

You where acting stupid, you acted as if the only way to investigate was to prod and poke. That's stupid as all hell. Have you never heard of how investigations work? I don't think you are 'or something'. You don't make any points and your only point is a complete fallacy.

I just never saw the reason for that to exist in this conversation and you had to bring it up over and over again and treat it like it's an important thing when in reality it isn't.

How stupid can you get? Please reply, I'd like to see more.

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Noxipie In reply to Snowflakesarefalling [2012-02-11 06:39:34 +0000 UTC]

I think it's completely useless to argue with this person, It's like talking to a wall.

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Snowflakesarefalling In reply to Noxipie [2012-02-11 07:33:40 +0000 UTC]

I figured. But it's been the most fun I've had in a while so... -shrugs-

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-09 03:16:31 +0000 UTC]

I do not support murdering children. I support allowing women the choice to remove a fetus from their body before it becomes a child. You can't say that it's a child just because it will become one in the future. At the time being, it is a fetus.
Once again, putting words in my mouth and making assumptions is doing you no good.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-09 09:28:43 +0000 UTC]

It's a child, it is a life. It's going to be born, but until then it depends on it's mother to live. If the mother chooses to end it's life isn't it murder? If you give the women the choice you also give them the choice to murder a child. I'd rather not give people to choice to be able to murder.

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-09 19:13:17 +0000 UTC]

Lol I don't think you read anything I wrote. Repeating yourself over and over doesn't help if what you're saying isn't true.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-09 19:47:40 +0000 UTC]

I read it, it's just that you're saying lies. Like that it isn't a child. Does it magically become a child when it exits the womb?

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-09 20:50:58 +0000 UTC]

I think that you need to take a few science classes.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-09 21:47:42 +0000 UTC]

Perhaps you need to understand that we all see differently what life is. I define life as a living creature, even if it's in a womb. But you don't see it as living and think it's okay to murder it.
You people...

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-09 21:57:44 +0000 UTC]

I could easily "you people" you but I'm open minded and intelligent enough to know better.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-09 22:11:22 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it's really open minded of you to be for the murder of kids.

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-09 23:12:51 +0000 UTC]

See, now you're just being silly again. Repeating it over and over won't make it true.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-09 23:34:01 +0000 UTC]

You claim to be open minded and still are for murdering kids. That's not a contradiction at all.

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-09 23:35:52 +0000 UTC]

The more you say that the funnier it gets. You are the epitome of the saying "Some people may have eyes but cannot see, they may have ears but cannot hear."
Repeating the same untrue statement over and over doesn't do anything to help your case.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-09 23:43:43 +0000 UTC]

Are you even trying any more?

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 00:04:08 +0000 UTC]

That's funny.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-10 00:07:01 +0000 UTC]

Apparently you aren't.

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 00:13:46 +0000 UTC]

Why would I try to argue with such an ignorant person? There's no point. I'm not going to change your mind and I don't care, you'll just have to live your life this way.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-10 00:18:30 +0000 UTC]

You're saying I'm the ignorant here?
You keep on believing that.

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 00:19:18 +0000 UTC]

Will do

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-10 00:22:38 +0000 UTC]

Does it feel satisfying to end this argument in such an immature way?

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 00:34:56 +0000 UTC]

Seeing has you have been very immature from the beginning, I'll let you decide!

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-10 00:38:30 +0000 UTC]

I have never been immature. If you think that being not okay with murder is being immature perhaps you need to think over how open minded you really are.

Why should I decide how you feel? I was asking if it felt good to end an argument by being immature.

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 01:09:10 +0000 UTC]

You need to reevaluate yourself.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-10 01:10:57 +0000 UTC]

I don't think I need to. Perhaps you need to if you think that you can start an argument with a loud opinion and then when the argument doesn't go your way you just go "that's nice" and act like a kid.

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 03:13:04 +0000 UTC]

No, because repeating over and over that I'm cool with "murdering babies" is not an argument. That's what's funny.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-10 04:00:01 +0000 UTC]

Saying that that isn't an argument isn't an argument either. I've yet to see you try to combat that statement.

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daniellesylvan In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 04:18:50 +0000 UTC]

Really? Because I clearly did several times. Over and over. Can you read?

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to daniellesylvan [2012-02-10 04:22:45 +0000 UTC]

Not a single one was a good one. You never did a reasonable argument.

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DragonQuestWes In reply to Fiktionsfragan [2012-02-10 07:37:29 +0000 UTC]

Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean the argument is bad.

You're basically saying that abortion is bad the entire time.

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Fiktionsfragan In reply to DragonQuestWes [2012-02-10 11:29:32 +0000 UTC]

Okay

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