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bomsteinam [2017-07-10 01:03:14 +0000 UTC]

Gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!

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BrutalityInc [2015-01-17 23:10:37 +0000 UTC]

"We're only, at best, half civilized. This thin veneer of civilization we share is the only imaginary line that keeps us from acting out our own darkest impulses. It allows our 'humanity' to resist justifying butchery.

You call yourselves civilized, but you're tottering on the brink mindless savagery just to satisfy your egos. Yes, we are aware of what is happening right now at Earth. Right now, your people are desperately trying to force your way to Earth. To do what? Kill in the name God - in this case a memory of a leader you revered.

But, instead of asking that a world be sacrificed, you can exercise your civilized ideals and say 'stop'."

--- Admiral James T. Kirk, 'A Thin Veneer', a Star Trek / Babylon 5 crossover by Albert Green Jr.

www.fanfiction.net/s/1944628/1…

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Orumon [2013-06-06 19:14:01 +0000 UTC]

Funnily enough the analysis favors the Star trek ships.

Federation ships are faster, more maneuvrable and have better weapons. However, the Sharlin is HUGE compared to starfleet vessels. Good luck to the sluggish minbari vessel getting a shot in though.

B5 ships need to close to mere tens of kilometres for a good hit, while Starfleet ships have optimal (not maximum, optimal) ranges of about a light second (600,000 km) on their phasers.

Again, it's a matter of technological superiority against massive contruction, but unlike the Imperial Star destroyer, the Minbari are idiotic enough to think that the enemy will happily sit in front of their forward arc and let themselves be shot!

While federation shields aren't designed to withstand a prolonged assault on the scale that Minbari ships put out, I believe that they'll provide enough of a safety net to allow the advanced ships to escape without hull damage.

Any one starfleet capital ship will defeat any minbari vessel in a serious fight unless their captain was a moron (be they Miranda, Connie or more advanced)

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Colourbrand [2013-05-18 22:52:18 +0000 UTC]

Suppose there is no chance of seeing the Enterprise clobber a Sharlin?

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PrincessAli2013 [2013-03-12 07:40:10 +0000 UTC]

Beautiful. In my alternate Babylon 5 universe a Federation task force ended up marooned in their universe and did what they do best. Created a Federation in there. In my story the Federation protect Earth at the battle of the line refusing to allow the Minbari to wipe out an entire race.

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Colourbrand [2012-07-27 15:47:50 +0000 UTC]

"Until, of course, the Enterprise arrives"

Absolutely!

Kick Minbari ass guys!

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Deviator101 [2011-06-29 23:11:11 +0000 UTC]

Actually there are races in B5 that would look at the Borg as little more than ants cough "Vorlon" cough and when enevitably atagonized would show them what they and there collective are worth!

"Better heroics through superior firepower"

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TheAdversarySucceeds [2011-02-01 02:17:06 +0000 UTC]

I think an epic battle would be the Borg vs. Minbari. XD

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GregStitz [2010-09-18 23:02:12 +0000 UTC]

The Federation stands a better chance. They have shields for one. and considering the years they were constructed compared to the Mimbari, they have better tech. Of course Vorlons would own them all.

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archangel72367 [2009-09-17 03:13:19 +0000 UTC]

I know this has been talked to death, and it's an old picture, but I have just read all of the comments and now I feel I must put in my two cents worth. (Day off tomorrow so I have all night to kill. lol)

Yes the Minbari have stealth tech. However starfleet ships don't have to "lock on" just check out Balance of Terror. Furthermore in the starfleet game i play there is a setting for torps called "proximity" They don't have to hit, just get close. So yes also there would probably be many fed friendly fire deaths as well.

Another thing is numbers. Starfleet probably would be outgunned in sheer numbers. Three castes from the minbari, worker, relegious and warrior. One third of all of Minbari society vs a relatevely small all-volunteer organisation. (That is SUPPOSED to be primarilly science). So math is on Minbari side.

Which brings me to my final point. We (Humans and starfleet) are pretty clever. If the Feds lasted long enough they would figgur a way to beat the stealth. Spock would impliment it and Kirk would beam onto the main Minbari ship capture Delenn and WOO-HOO. hehehe

So in conclusion, Starfleet would be battered but ultimately victorious. In my humble opinion.

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ogrebear [2009-08-30 11:56:06 +0000 UTC]

I think the Feds would win cos they would beam a photon torpedo into the Mimbari engine room or bridge or both.

Mimbari shields are not set up to prevent beaming as beaming does not exist in B5.

We need Narn vs. Klingons next please!

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Neville6000 [2009-07-02 13:01:17 +0000 UTC]

Sorry, Dave, but the Federation Starfleet would be wiped out to the last ship by the Mimbari, mostly because the Mimbari have stealth technology (not a cloak)that renders them 'invisible' to sensors until the Mimbari ship in question is barreling down on top of a ship. Great artwork, though.

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PaladinArtea [2009-07-01 08:04:38 +0000 UTC]

WOW EPIC. Yeah I like B-5 too. Funny how both that and TOS took place in the 23rd century.

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Deus-est-femina [2009-01-12 22:32:15 +0000 UTC]

maybe its just me but...although the back ground info is cool...its a fantastic image...and present a image much more fun than the beige world we really live in....so well done mate...a triumph

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IhatePlaystation [2008-12-15 22:00:16 +0000 UTC]

This is a cool pic. I think you're right, the Minbari would walk all over the Federation, until some main characters show up, like Kirk or Sisko or Janeway. Then the Minbari are doomed.

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Lord-ShinRa [2008-12-12 20:19:14 +0000 UTC]

Alright, first thing’s first: davemetlesits, brilliant picture.

I normally have a few things against crossover pictures involving Trek because the artists have the tendency to be horrendously bias towards Kirk and his lot. But this seems quite balanced with ships on both sides taking hits, and this combined with the quality of the CG images makes it a masterpiece in it’s own right.

But, I’ve got to correct a couple of people here because they seem not to understand the Minbari or what would happen in space battles.

So to both FrostLupis and Docwolph, here’s a few things:

First: shields.
Have you actually seen the size of the main cannons on that thing? they’d have one massive power output and at the very least shields would be brought down in a matter of seconds simply by glancing hits. And (as we can see in the picture) they’d be able to take of Federation ships in one direct hit.
Along with the fact that (from what I remember) the Defiant class (AKA the White Star clone) was the first Fed ship to actually have any armour. Get rid of the shields and they’ll start dropping like flies.

Also, what evidence do you have that they are as fast as fighters? I’ve seen none but I’m not much of a trek fan outside the films.

The Feds’ ships would probably (for argument’s sake) be a lot faster and more maneuverable, I’ll give you that, but at the same time they’d be under attack by squadrons of the very fast and maneuverable Minbari Fighters.
In short, the fed’s are at a major disadvantage.

Second: Technology.
It’s known for a fact that the Minbari have been round for many thousands of years, with a massive advantage in terms of tech in very situation.
Only the Vorlons (who have supposedly given the Minbari some of their tech), Shadows and Old Ones are more advanced.

The Federation is just over a generation old by this point and the oldest of these races is the Vulcans who only had long range (or warp capable) ships in 1950s. The Minbari were at this level when cave men were still stumbling about hitting one another with clubs.
So the Minbari have a major advantage in tech.

This leads me onto the third point.

Third: Active Stealth.
Now think of an F-16 here, it’s targeting systems and every other electronic sensor required to keep it in fight and assist the pilot in finding his targets. Imagine a squadron of these taking on a much larger aircraft with the ability to scramble all of these systems to the point where you are having to shoot and fly by eye, and it is having none of these problems.

That scenario mirrors this one well, but with the fact that the Federation ships are even more reliant upon their sensors and targeting systems than the F-16s. Along with this they wouldn’t be able to (as suggested before) beam a squad of redshirts or a torpedo aboard the ships because they wouldn’t be able to get a lock.

The Fed ships have more of a chance of killing each other than hitting the Minbari cruiser. And if they are as destructive as stated by FrostLupis, photon torps are so destructive the Federation fleet is going to be suffering from some severe casualties via friendly fire.

Fourth: Combat experience. It’s been noted several times that up to this point the only major war the Federation was ever in up till this point was against the Romulans, and that was during it’s very foundation. I think that very few of the crews bar Kirk would have any real combat experience and they’d probably have very few useable attack formations or ship tactics.
Along with this lack of actual experience in combat none of the Federation ships are warships, instead they are science vessels designed for exploration with guns simply added on for protection.

The Minabri meanwhile are the complete opposite, with ships designed for war and crews trained for actual battles and wars rather than skirmishes.

I could go on, but I’m going to stop now because I think my point has been made.

Sorry about that but I am VERY tired of people running into sci-fi threads and stating “STAR TREK RTW LULZ” then stating in Babylon 5 threads “TREK PWNZ J00 SHIELDS lolololololololololol!!!11!”

And those were near quotes.

Long story short, I’m drawing the line here. Trek would come out of almost any crossover war in pieces with billions of casualties after suffering a crushing defeat.

Unless Kirk is in charge of course.

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tangerinewarning [2008-12-12 16:06:15 +0000 UTC]

Very cool.

The Minbari have the sensor jamming technology and Enterprise doesn't have all that many windows to look out of should say the sensors and viewscreen go down.
Plus the Minbari also have fighters.

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Lord-ShinRa [2008-12-12 09:58:34 +0000 UTC]

Be expecting a pro B5 rant in a few hours time.

But it's a very good picture.

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FrostLupus [2008-12-11 06:05:16 +0000 UTC]

Sweet pic, sweet battle!
But of what I've seen of B5 and Star Trek, Star Fleet would almost (quote "almost") desimate the Minbari invation fleet because of the photon torpedos. Althou the Minbari would do the same to star fleet. The question would be, Are the sheilds working?

But, if you want a good comparison of who gots the better tech, trek or B5. Look up Star Trek vs. Babylon 5 - The Final Fight ( Part I and II) on youtube to see Earth Force (Babylon 5) Vs the invading P fleet (Starfeet, Startrek) in what I've heard as the best part of Star Wrek: the Prickining (a comic paridy of startrek and b5).

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Black-Knyght [2008-12-10 21:15:12 +0000 UTC]

Excellent !!! Awesome crossover concept

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miklos33 [2008-12-09 19:36:01 +0000 UTC]

good job interesting scene

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mak1701 [2008-12-09 10:23:42 +0000 UTC]

LOVE TREK AND B5 WELL DONE

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