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Star Swirl the Bearded teaches his faithful student Clover the Clever about the horrors known only as Windegos!This took me about 18 hours and 100 layers to complete and BOY did PS7 not like me for having that many layers! I had to buckle and merge some just to make it stop chugging so hard. XD
Star Swirl is older in this image than my other one and has a grey beard now. I wanted him to look much older (and give him all his bells) so that Clover would look far younger in comparison.
I made Clover male - I thought a sort of ever-patient advisor for the prissy unicorn princess would have some impact as a male. Not to mention there's just not nearly enough strong male characters in MLP!
Clover's design is inspired by three ponies: G1 Clover (a pink mare with blue hair), G2 Clever Clover (a blue stallion with mint/purple/blue hair) and Twilight Sparkle herself. In general, I didn't want him to look EXACTLY like Clever Clover because Star Swirl is very blue on his own, so I lifted the color from Clever Clover/Clover's cutie marks (which are mint-colored) - and as I was working out his hair, I made it pink-striped on a whim and realized that made him look a little like Twilight. XD So I kept it. (He also looks like a popple. <3)
If there's interest, I can also turn OFF the Windegos so you can take a look at the characters and background in more detail.
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I'm a former Christian, currently a pagan. So, that's probably unlikely. But I work in customer service in a city filled to the brim with WASPs, so you kind of get this way of discussing things from that POV. But to be sensitive to you (as I didn't know until after) I did include the phrase "if it was real" - which depending, could be something that would set a die-hard Christian off for either being "too PC" or because it negates something you strongly believe in.
I'm glad you're not too sensitive - it can be hard with so many trolls out for blood.
As for Puddinghead - I think it's sort of a matter of how Earth Pony society works. In general, if you look at Miss Mayor, she's generally worthless - she's there to smile at official events, cut ribbons, announce things - but she's not actually an administrator. She's also not a ruler. Earth Ponies seem to work within a trader society - the anarchistic "you do what you do - if I like it, I'll trade you for some of what I do" - so a position like a Leader is largely a farce for them. They really just needed someone to deal with negotiations with the Pegasi and Unicorns, and up until the Windegos came, this was largely a ceremonial matter - so why not let the crazy stallion who is largely worthless on a farm go hand over the produce. Keep someone like Smart Cookie around to keep him in line, but otherwise, he's not really doing anything important.
Naturally when the Windegos came they would have regretted the choice - but what can you do? He's "in charge".
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Ever since I got kicked out of my church, I really haven't care much for religion. I maintain a simple belief in the divine, but I have tired of the rules.
Tell me about it O.O
You make an excellent point. Provided, there is a 1000+ year gap between Puddinghead, and the Mayor of Ponyvil, but then again, Earth Ponies seem very traditional, and day to day life probably hasn't changed all THAT much.
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Ouch @ getting kicked out of your church. At the very least I left mine without duress.
And yeah, the latest episode sort of confirms that Earth ponies just...do their thing in a totally traditional way without deviation. It's quite satisfying - like hanging out with old order Mennonites.
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Yeah, I may have had it coming, though 
Indeed.
I suppose thats one way to look at it 0_o
Something occurred to me recently, Peace between the Pegisi and the Earth Ponies was maintained by a trade agreement, food, for ideal growing conditions, a fare trade if you ask me. Peace between the Earth Ponies and the Pegisi was maintained with a similar agreement, food for moving the sun and the moon, which would make sense, but I thought that only Alicorns could control the flow of day and night 0_o. But what kept the Unicorns and Pegisi from declaring war?
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Well without more information about how and when the Alicorns came about - one can perhaps state that before Celestia and Luna were born (and they would have been born into a Unicorn family) other unicorns, perhaps dozens of them, did the job that Celestia can now do by herself.
I think what kept the Unicorns from declaring war was their treaty with the Earth Ponies - you mess with the Pegasi, the Earth ponies say "You're not playing fair, we need them too" and cut back the food. It was something that was bound to come to a head, though because eventually someone was going to get too greedy for their own good - even without the windegos showing up.
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Thats a strong possibility, but who knows? I can safely say that, based off of all the history episodes this season, that more about the Alicorns will be reviled soon.
I don't know... If the Earth Ponies were smart, they'd try to pit the other two tribes ageist each other, then stay neutral and sell to both sides. And the two other tribes would have to just go with it, as neither of them have any idea how to farm or gather food. XD
But then again, I'm sure there was a reason for the apparent stereotype that Earth Ponies were all stupid.
Of cores, if you really listen to Hurricane and Platinum's dialog, a war happening by its self probably wasn't too far off... Then the windegos came, and evarypony left for a new land...
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Yeah, that's what I was hearing as well - that even without the windegos there was going to be no end of conflict - it's almost sort of lucky that the windegos appeared when they did - if not, the ponies would have gone to war (which is almost unthinkable!).
I'm so looking forward to the Princess Cadence Episode that's supposed to be coming up eventually. A third Alicorn throws the whole balance of the situation off - and will basically require an explanation. I can't wait to hear it!
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Perhaps, but It would make a good fanfic.
One thing is for sure, the Lauren Faust and her MLP team aren't going to pull something like THAT with out an explanation proper; thats one of the things I love about them ^^. But actually, I would also like to hear some other explanations as well, like about Prince Bluebloob's ties to the royal family, Luna's day to day (or should I say night to night) activities and duties, and just more about Equestrian Government in general.
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Well one presumes that looking back 1000 years, Princess Platinum was a normal unicorn. Someone suggested that her younger sister (who would also be a princess) would have given birth to the alicorn sisters - who then took over administration of the kingdom - they were never crowned properly as they weren't in the right line of succession, but their obviously huge magical gifts and seeming immortality ended up placing them in the rulership position when Platinum died of old age. Platinum's children would therefore also be princes and princesses, as they were also unable to be properly crowned king or queen.
You can sort of see this in the current state of the British monarchy - As Queen Elizabeth will not step down, her son is a Prince, and his sons are princes - but none of them will be KING until she steps down. This may not be until after her grandchildren from William/Harry are born, and they too, will be princes/princesses. So you can have a long line of non-king, non-queens, but with royal linage (allowing for the title of Prince/Princess) so long as no one is crowned properly.
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That makes more sense then any other explanation I have ever heard; however, there is one gaping whole in that, Discord. Celestia said that her and Luna took over leadership after they overthrew Equestra's previous leader, Discord.
My guess is that Discord took power after overthrowing whatever government the founders of Equestra put together. After seeing his tyranny, the Alicorn sisters believed that, possibly as Platinum's nieces or otherwise relatives, that it was there duty to restore the harmony, and the place royal blood back on the throne. As to why the tittle of princess rather then queen? Might be because there were two of them, and there can only be one queen. Then after banishing her sister, Celestia felt so guilty, that she could never call her self queen, even though she was finally the sole ruler of Equestra.
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Well I would have to say you must be right about Discord showing up after the fact. Because dealing with HIM would have been downright impossible for the founder ponies. We know that it wouldn't have been long, necessarily, after they arrived that Discord awoke - partly because they still would have had issues to work through.
But we ALSO know that Luna knew Star Swirl personally - which means that the two of them couldn't be that far removed from each other - Clover learned from him, and in theory, he would have also taught Luna and possibly Celestia.
Man how screwed were the founders of Equestria? Destroying one land with windegos - almost doing it to a second and then pulling Discord out of the mix.
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Indeed. The founders may have put aside there differences, and joined together in friendship, but other ponies might have some trouble. In fact, one can still see and feel the prejudices, all be them but shadows of what they once were. Pegisi still look down on Earth Ponies (quite literally actually
Not nessaraly, remember, alicorns are immortal, Luna and Celestia could have taken the throne hundreds of years after meeting him during the time of Clover and the others, (the pre-classical era I believe Twilight called it? Of corse, that could of also simply ment before the 'classical era' which I assume would reefer to the years following the founding of Equestria, ending at some major historical point, the rise of Discord, Celestia and Luna taking the throne, Luna's banishment, or possibly something we don't know about yet).
However Lauren Faust said the reason that Luna is so much smaller then Celestia is because she's not full grown. Now provided, I have no idea how Alicorns age, but most people seem believe that they grow to maturity at the same rate normal ponies, then stay eternally youthful. Going off of that assumption (and that Ponies age at a rate much closer to humans then real horses), I think that I can safely say that the time gap was probably no more then about five years.
So yeah, they were definitely dealt a crew hand by fate, but in the end, It all worked out, and now Equestria is a major power in what ever fantasy world they live in. Thats another thing, what is there planet called? Equestria in the country, so thats not it. For a long time I assumed it was simply Earth, but thats what Smart Cookie and Pudding head wanted to call the new land, so that can't be it either.
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We do know that the founding occurred roughly just over 1000 years ago and that Luna's banishment occured exactly 1000 years ago - so the two of them were around during that time.
The order of it all is still a matter of confusion, because in the few years (possibly decades) after the founding of Equestria Luna was shot to the moon.
Of course the flag of Equestria shows them both doing their jobs...which then begs the question, with Luna being a young teen when she was "de-nightmared" and if Alicorns do grow at a normal rate, How rapidly did the following sequences occur:
1. Clover learning about the Windego
2. The Founding of Equestria
3. Luna meeting and possibly learning from Star Swirl.
4. Discord appearing for the first time, and taking over.
5. Celestia and Luna turning him to stone with the elements of harmony.
6. Luna turning into Nightmare Moon
7. Celestia banishing NMM to the moon.
We know only one precise time frame - that it was exactly 1000 years to the day from the first episode that Luna was banished to the moon - but if Alicorns grow at the same rate normal ponies do - that would indicate that these things must have happened in some sort of rapid sucession - because we know that a baby colt like Pip can speak in full sentences at under one year, and that his age, while younger than school age, is still close enough to school age that it might have come into question. It's possible therefore that perhaps young colts and fillies are attending school by the age of 2-3, and get their cuties marks before puberty in nearly all cases.
If we presume that the mane six are young adults, and that the first version of Luna is a young teen - she hits an older teen state in just one year - which means she should be a fully grown adult in a year or two (provided they continue to age her). We also know that in general, if Big Mac, Applejack and Apple Bloom are siblings that ponies either stay fertile for a very long time (in human years, BM's probably in his mid-twenties, AJ's in her early 20s, and AB's only 8 or 9), or that they age way more rapidly than humans. Luna's growth spurt seems to indicate this.
o.o;; I'm really rambling. But it's something I am very curious about because it can change the timing of events drastically - especially since it's implied that Star Swirl IS an older pony, and his age creates a limit on how far apart some of these events can be (or he would be dead from old age if they're too far apart).
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This is something that I have put tons of thought into as well.
Well letβs start with the facts. To calculate the ponies aging rate, I think its necessary to understand the difference in ages of the Apple family, but we need a starting point. If we can put the mane six in order of age, we might be able to figure something out.
The best way to start would be to look at their cutie mark stories, told in βThe Curie Mark Chroniclesβ as well as some other statements and claims made by the mane six. We know that they all got their cutie marks at about the same time, and the exact order dose matter. Rainbow got hers first, immediately after creating the Sonic Rainboom. Twilight was next, as not two minuets after the rainboom; she received hers when her raw magical talent was awakened. Fluttershy would be next, as she got hers maybe ten minuets after the rainboom, after calming the startled animals. Then Rarity, as she got hers the following night, after bring back all the jewels. Pinkie got hers the following morning, wail throwing her family a party, and Applejack got hers after the amount of time it would take for a filly to walk from Manehatten to ponyville, for sake of argument, lets say a few days.
Now, in βCall of the Cutieβ, Applejack said that she was the last in her class to get her cutie mark, and Rainbow said that she was the first, and finally, in βGriffon the Brush Offβ Fluttershy clamed to be one year older then Pinkie.
Fluttershy and Rainbow both grew up in Cloudsdale, and are probably about the same age, give or take a few months. In Rainbow's flash back she talks about "defending Fluttershy's honor", showing that they were close friends. Wail there are other possibilities, because of there difference in personalities and therefore social circles, I'd say that they probably got to be close friends by being in the same grade level, and probably having some classes together. Rainbow was the in her class to get her cutie mark, and Fluttershy was the second.
Applejack and Rarity both grew up in Ponyville, and considering the size of the town, more then likely went to the same school. Applejack did say that she was the last in her class to get a cutie mark, but this tells us nothing, because she still got hers after Rarity. But, if Aj was the last in her class, then the chances of Rarity being older are slim; however, Aj also told the CMC that she was younger then them when she got her cutie mark, so it is possible. Now, in βWatch where you sleepβ, it was shown that Aj and Rarity did know each other prier to them both befriending Twilight, and even seemed to have an nac for getting on each others' nerves. So I think I can safely say that Aj and Rarity are about the same age, Aj was the last in her class to get hers, and Rarity was next to last.
So now lets look where this leaves us. If Rainbow was the first in her class to get her cutie mark, and Aj the last, and they both got there's within a few days of each other, then I think I can safely say that Aj is older then Rainbow, which would put there ages in the following order: Applejack and Rarity are the oldest, Rainbow and Fluttershy are in the middle, and Pinkie is the youngest. Where does Twilight fit into all this? I have no idea. For balance sake I'm tempted to say she's the same age as Pinkie, but in truth, I have no idea, but thatβs okay, as for our purposes, she's not important.
Now, assuming that all the mane six are at least the age of maturity, and that ponies age like humans (more on that later), and that Equsetern Laws are similar to most western human countries, we can guess there ages to be 18, 19, and 20. (of coarse, thatβs assuming there to be only a one year gap between Rainbow and Aj, it could be more, but for simplicity, lets just say its one year).
Now lets look at the apple family. One thing that should be noted is that itβs Granny Smith, and her three grandchildren. What about Granny's children? What happened to them? Unless otherwise told, we'll have to say that there dead. Grim, but I see no other option. Now in Applejacks flashback, we see Granny Smith, a younger Big Mac, and a filly Aj. No apple bloom, and no parents. One theory is that, this takes place shortly after Apple Bloom's birth, and even sooner after there parents untimely death, and that Aj's sudden desire to live with her ant and uncle Orange, was her way of dealing with her parents' tragic death.
So now we have a conundrum, Is it mathematically possible for Aj to be younger then AB is now, when AB was a new born. The short answer is yes, but only is she is older then half her sister age. Now lets through Big Mac into the mix, lets say heβs about 26, then if AB is 11, then he was 15 when she was born, and if sheβs 12, then he was 16 when she was born, and given his appearance in the flashback, Iβd say that works pretty well.
Now, lets look at an accelerated rate of ageing. Luna first appeared during the Summer Sun Celebration, and then reappeared on Nightmare night of the following year. Assuming that the two Pony holidays coincide with their human equivalents, then Luna was gone for 15 and 1/3 months. In that time she appeared to have aged about three years (going from about 11-12 to 14-15), or 36 months. If this is true, then we could estimate that ponies age approximately 2.34 times as fast as humans. Now, since we estimated how much Luna has apparently aged, I think we can safely round down and say Ponies age about twice as fast as humans.
Now, lets go back and plug these new numbers into out Apple family equations, and see what happens. This would make Applejack 10 and Big Mac 12. Now, for the numbers to work, Apple Bloom hast to be more then twice she sisterβs age. That would put her at about 6. The same age Big Mac was during the flash back. I donβt think so.
But what about the apparent spend up in age? Luna looks about 3 years older, after her apparent make over (changing her mane, maybe new makeup?). If I stop shaving for a couple of weeks, I look 5 years older. Looks can be deceiving. Now, as far as Lunaβs size, its hard to tell, on account that Celestia is not in Nightmare Night, but, if one compares a screen shot of Luna standing next to her in the second epasode, a shot of Twilight standing next to Celestia in any episode, and Twilight standing next to Luna in Nightmare Night, one can see that wail she has grown, its not my that much, based off of that candy cane in βHarths Warming Eveβ that Twilight estimates to be about 8 feet tall, Iβd say, half a foot maybe? Totally accomplishable in just over a year, especially if sheβs still in her early teens.
Now thereβs still one little problem left to wrap up, little Pip Squeak. He said that this was his first Nightmare Night ever, implying that he is less then one year old, but he could talk, and formulate sentences, and is probably about to start school, if heβs not already in it. Well, there are two solutions to this problem. One, Heβs a super genius. Personally, I donβt like that one; itβs basically like saying a wizard did it. Or, the more complicated answer, we donβt take his words literally. Maybe this is the first time he as ever celebrated Nightmare Night. Maybe heβs from the middle of nowhere, maybe he grew up on a rock farm. Or maybe, heβs from another country altogether. Since Nightmare Night is such a historical holiday, that it would make perfect sense that bordering countries do not celebrate it.
In conclusion, Ponies age at the same rate as humans.
O.O Holy horse apples! What was supposed to be a simi-lengthy response has turned into a two-page research paper. But I do think that I have made my point. Now, as for how this a plies to the events of 1000 years ago, I think Iβll pass the baton back to you, and let you figure that out.
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lol - that's a ton of info. But if the case is that ponies grow at human rates, then everything between the founding of Equestria and Luna being shot to the moon will have happened in quite rapid sucession - given that the image on the flag presented at the end of Hearth's Warming Eve is time-accurate. (someone else mentioned that the flag may be grossly inaccurate - that perhaps there was another flag they would have used, but in order to show loyalty to Celestia, they used a later flag that shows her presence).
But that's a matter for another day, I think. This gives me quite a bit to ponder. X3
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I know, I'm sorry; I gust felt that I had to be thorough.
That is one of the things I meant when I said, "Cute and fun, but not necessarily 100% historically accurate." There's all kinds of theories as to why they would use the modern flag rather then the historically accurate flag. One might be that it slipped the minds of the play's producers to use that flag, or that that particular playhouse simply didn't have the proper prop, so they made due with what they had. Maybe the old flag is considered to be extremely controversial for some reason, kinda like the Confederate Battle Flag to Americans. Or I think the most accurate assumption might be that nopony know what that original flag looked like. It has been more that 1000 years since it was used, if none of the original flags have survived that long, then I can safely say that no one knows what the original flag looked like.
Indeed, and sorry again for making that last response so long, its just that there was so much to get that needed to be looked at to come to that conclusion.
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Oh it was mostly that I was going to bed. XD It's perfectly okay to be longwinded.
And yeah, I was thinking along the lines of the confederate flag (though I couldn't for the life of me remember what it was called!) - basically they used a modern flag in order to sort of fudge the founding of Equestria to being as close as possible to when Celestia/Luna took over.
One thing I forgot to mention is that since Equestria's a country, not the planet's name - I had pondered that perhaps Princess Cadence's country is far enough away from Equestria that she functions as a "pitcher and catcher" of the sun and moon for her own country. Basically while Celestia "raises" the sun, it might just be that she's receiving it from the other side of the planet where Cadence has thrown it from. Or perhaps there's dozens of Alicorns - spread out across the planet who all toss the celestial bodies around. It doesn't deny Celestia's/Luna's powers any, but it does demonstrate a reality where Alicorns now perform the functions that Unicorns once did - and being that they're immortal (or insanely long lived) the unicorns have lost most of their usefulness - allowing for their worthless decadent behavior.
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Okay, that makes sense. I had often wondered how exactly the celestial bodies being moved around by ponies worked. An idea I had early on was that they don't control the universe, and that the whole thing was a lie used to control ponies. Later, I thought to myself, what if it not a lie, how would that work? Well originally, I thought that the world was flat, and that the sun and moon were basically 2D circles that went across the dome-like sky.
However, after Pinkie/Puddinghead confirmed the world to be round, that changed things. I imagine a universe very similar to how the Greeks and Romans envisioned the universe, with the earth in the center, and the sun, moon and all the planets orbiting around it. All of this is then incased in a giant black sphere with all the stars stuck to the inside of it. I forget if they thought that the earth was still and the sphere was rotating, of if the sphere was stable and the earth was still. 
Anyways, all of these celestial bodies are in motion, but with out magic being constantly (or possibly just occasionally) being pumped into the system from an individual(s), the bodies would loose momentum, and eventually come to a halt.
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Well I considered the "scam" aspect myself, but even though I fully believe that Celestia is a troll (and written that way to create issues for her student and her friends to solve) - I'm pretty sure that the writers of the show aren't cynical enough to deny her the powers she claims to have when it comes to the sun and moon. What's interesting is that many unicorns have the indication of STARS and PLANETS on their flanks, which may indicate that even though they no longer control the sun and moon they may still control other celestial bodies.
I agree with the idea that it's a Roman ideal - the sun and moon are driven by gods, and the bowl of stars spins freely around the sphere of the earth.
However it is interesting to note that the Everfree Forest is apparently exempt from all laws of pony-controlled nature, which indicates that the sun and moon are not controlled by anyone there. It's an odd anomaly that I don't think was ever fully worked out. It's independently magical - running itself without the help of ponies - which on a given level allows it to emulate real-world nature. But I'm not sure about the sun and moon there (though it's ALSO interesting to note what Discord was doing with the sun and moon...which definitely shows that it possible to have the power to flick them back and forth in rapid succession if need be)
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I've often thought of Celestia as, motherly, with a hint of troll, but thats just me.
Perhaps they control celestial bodies, or perhaps there just astrominiters. Maybe just the act of raising and lowering the moon is enough to drive the rest of the universe. or maybe its not. With out more canon, there's no way to tell for sure.
Well, as its so far been shown, when its night in Ponyville, its night in the Everfree Forest, and when its day in Ponyville, its day in the Everfree Forest.
On the note of the Everfree Forest, there is one thing that I find absolutely fascinating about Pony sociology, there need for control. Ponies control the weather, actively mold a the landscape around there settlements, even control the flow of night and day. Fluttershy has (as I asume many other ponies across equestra have) made it her job to care for all the animals and wild life around Ponyville, even going as far as to put them down for hibernation, and wake them up for spring.
They have mutable holidays in which the whole point is to manually transition one season into another (the running of the leaves, and winter wrap up). Everything around them is secgied and controlled. They even when as far as to turn the god of chaos into stone, twice!
Then, what makes this truly fascinating is, the reason they all fear the Everfree Forest, is not because its necessarily 'dangerous', but because nothing in controlled. The clods move, the animals care for themselves, and the plants grow, all on there own! (Of cores thats thats not to say that the place isn't dangerous, its just that fact doesn't seem to come up as much)
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Yeah, the need for control could be viewed as interestingly sinister - but in the case of a child's TV show, demonstrating that things have to be controlled and that there is a purpose for what happens in their lives allows for an easier infiltration of parental control.
"I don't want to go to bed!" "Would Twilight Sparkle say that to Princess Celestia?"
XD
I actually remember playing with my friends and my G1 ponies and actually stating that the ponies were the reasons behind the flowers and the leaves changing color - all due to magic of course. Sort of a modern fairy myth. But allowing for the idea of a "wild land" also permits a parent to say "well, the real world isn't like Equestria - it's actually like the Everfree forest - so we can't control everything..." if they feel they need to bring reality back into it.
It would be interesting to analyze the theme of control in MLP. It strikes me that it could be a very interesting thing - that while ponies are opposed to Chaos, it's interesting that Zecora shuns society and lives in that chaos. Also - that the ponies tend to take from the Everfree forest, or are easily able to overcome the chaos in their lives, but they still refuse it at every opportunity and prefer control.
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Sinister indeed. Sounds like a good Doctor Whooves plot device.
I never thought of it that way but your right. Very clever on the creators part.
I wonder if thats a distinct difference between zebra and pony society, or if Zecora is simply a rebel, even by the standards of her own people.
It seems to me that, if ponies can benefit from the chaos, then their more then willing to in brace it. Take Zacora for example. A very creepy looking woman...mare....whatever who doesn't conform to social norms, lives as a hermit, and embraces chaos. Their initial reaction is to fear and shun her. However, once it becomes clear that she knows how to cure all sorts of strange and obscure aliments, she is instantly welcomed and respected.
Or take zap apples. The definition of chaos, and I don't think I need to explain myself. By established pony customs, they should be forbidden, however, because there so delicious, there not. And because farming them (not to mention jamming them) is so difficult, I can imagine them being very expensive, so the apple family welcomes them on there farm even though they cannot be controlled, and only some what predicted.
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The idea of Chaos also pervades why no one in town really has respect for Granny Smith. Her hijinks, though understandable in context - are out of place in a social structure like Ponyville - or gods help her, Canterlot.
I'm not sure if Zecora is a rebel among her own people or not - but looking at how Zebras behave in the wild they too are a "herd" society, and that she lives on her own may indicate that she doesn't fit in there.
Or because she's a shaman or witchdoctor, it may be that Zebra medicine ponies are loners by nature and hide out in the wild locations all over the planet. I'd also love to hear more of her backstory because she isn't a transient character.
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Indeed, indeed.
Both are equally as likely options, I'm really not sure which...
That would definitely be interesting.
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I started working on Clover. Here is the Sketch [link] I wanted to draw him doing some magic.
I'm going to work the mane and tail within the computer... That's the part I figured I would work with the most before I was happy, so why spend a huge amount of effort sketching it...
I think this is going to be a pretty fun drawing to make. I like doing these kinds of drawings.
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Ahh, you're very quickly putting me to shame - I need to get to work on yours! :scurries off:
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I work pretty fast when I'm motivated. The sketch itself probably took less time than it took to scan and upload it.
I've gotten a lot of practice drawing ponies... I have about 150 sketches sitting around my office at home. I really need to find something to keep them in.
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I have this impression of you picking up a pile of blueprints and pony sketches fluttering out.
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you wouldn't be too far off with that impression... Between the sketches, and the copies of the sketches my daughter has colored, there are pony drawings EVERYWHERE
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[link]
^ Sketch! If you like her hair and symbol I'll move forward from there.
And now all those black and white images make a ton of sense!
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Could you take a look at the mane and tail on this [link] I want to get your opinion before I fill.
now on to the eyes... after dinner
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That looks absolutely awesome, please continue
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You just HAVE TO make Chancellor Puddinghead! ^^
...if you'd be so kind?
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I think the next one from this series will be Princess Platinum...but Puddinghead will get a go too. XD
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Ah yes, you finished it! Took you a while, eh? But it turned out awesome in the end and I wish I didn't miss last stream where you added Wendigos :<
Still, thanks for those four streams before, it was quite interesting to watch drawing it.
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Yeah sorry about that. I didn't announce the stream because I was drawing pokemon at the start and someone requested I get back to Clover...and I forgot to announce it. Of course you probably WERE still in bed.
And yeah took forever! But I'm proud I went there. I've been sort of skirting going all the way with images for a while. So this makes me happy. x3
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Wow, I don't know where to begin... This is truly epic. Your Starswirl is the best Starswirl.
This is really well put together. I like your color choices for Clover, it worked out well.
Quick question, do you start from a pencil and paper sketch, or do you do all your creation on the computer?
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All on the computer. I used to just be crazy about always having a "real piece" to start from, but a dead scanner quickly changed my opinion on that. XD
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Yeah... my scanner is the same way sometimes. I work from sketches that could probably stand as artwork on their own. like this one of Rarity [link]
Then I cover it up with computer art...
I'm guessing you work with a tablet then. I'm too cheap to buy one, and I'm not sure I could make the transition. I've drafted with a mouse my entire career as an engineer.
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Cute pic! x3
I do use a Tablet, but I'm ALSO left handed. For me drawing with a mouse was excruciating (but I did do it from time to time - pixel art back in the day). The transition for me took a while, but fighting with it was good practice.
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Ouch... left handed with a mouse. I've tried that before, not fun, especially when you learned to use one with your right hand.
I have oh.. 20 years of experience drawing with a mouse (technically, computer assisted drafting) to work around. That is why I like Painttool SAI as much as I do, the linework layers on it work a lot like AutoCAD, and are very forgiving of mouse users.
But who knows, I may try a tablet out someday, especially if I can find someone who has one and will let me try it out.
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Actually it was right hand with a mouse. I attempted to do it with my left hand, but my brain wasn't wired for it. So I would click in the color pixel by pixel.
Small spriting projects at first, but also large cel-shaded works as well...in MSpaint, because hell...I wanted color.
[link] <-- warning, while the IMAGE is SFW, the SITE is not always so nice.
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Yay you finished it!!! Its wonderful!!!
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Awesome work ^.-.^ I was watching from the shadows, as much as i could lol
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<3 Poy. I like how Facebook chat is the shadows. X3
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Love it. Starswirl's design just reeks badassery.
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He is the man. Horse. Pony. YEAH.
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I seriously love your personal take on Starswirl and Clover.
The Windego spell effect is super neat.
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I keep thinking I should make an "Ask Clover-The-Clever" tumblr. XD But that's just sort of a silly whim.
And holy crap I fought with that spell effect for nearly 5 hours this morning. I'm glad it turned out so nice!
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